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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: oxman27 on January 19, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
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Here are the specs for a new system I was thinking about purchasing. Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
This is the quote we can do and it will give you 1 to 4 monitor access - so you can have a surround of screens. It's up to you.
SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
ZALMAN/ROSEWILL INTEL DELUXE COOLER (ULTRA QUIET)
ASUS P5N-T Deluxe LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
SUPER TALENT/AMPO 8GB DDR-2 1066MHZ PC-8500 (4X 2GB)
(WEEKLY SPECIAL) Western Digital WD10EACS 1TB SATA2 16MB Hard Drive
LG/SAMSUNG 20X DVD-RW DUAL LAYER W/LIGHTSCRIBE (PROMO ITEM)
2 VIDEO CARDS NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB IN SLI MODE
6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD
10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet Network Card (onboard)
NZXT ALPHA MID-TOWER ATX CASE - FREE COOLING PKG.
ROSEWILL/NZXT 600 WATT SLI POWER SUPPLY
(SPECIAL) Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64BIT (DVD & LICENSE INCLUDED)
FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING
1565.00
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I would nix the SLi 9500GT's. They are only 128 bit (IIRC) and slow to boot.
Instead of SLi, get better performance with a stand alone 8800GT. It'd be about $30-$40 bucks more. BUT, the gains would be more than significant for other games.
Not to mention, 600W PSU for any SLi and a Quad is not a good mix. I know the PC & Cooling 750W is in another thread in this Hardware section. It's a steal at that price.
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How about this for 1175.00 yes in the above quote you could have up to four monitors but not to play AH, you would need the TripleHead for the complete 3 screen view. I think the above quote is a lot of money for the parts listed.
Case ThermalTake V9 #VJ40001W2Z
Motherboard ASUS Striker II Formula #Striker II Formula
CPU Intel E8400 #BX80570E8400
HSF OCZ Vendetta 2 #OCZTVEND2
Memory OCZ Platinum #OCZ2P10664GK DDR2 PC2-8500 4GB Dual Channel
Video Card EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit #512-P3-N879-AR
Power Supply Coolmax 700 Watt ATX Modular PS
Hard Drive Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue #WD5000AAKS 500 GB SATA Drive
DVD Reader Burner Samsung DVD Writer Drive 22X SATA #SH-S223
OS Microsoft Vista Home Premium #66I-02059 Vista Home Premium SP1 32-bit OEM
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If you're planning to game on this machine, I wouldn't really expect much out of it. If you're running 1 monitor, skip the SLI. If you want to really run up to more than 2 monitors, SLI is probably going to be a nice treat.
But remember, the rule of thumb is Two Low End Cards (the 9500GT) do not come close to a High End Card, A $150 in most cases is going to perform much better than 2 x $75 cards. But if you want to cheaply run 4 monitors and don't plan on REALLY gaming, then I guess that would be the only time I'd stick with 2 9500GT's.
According to Tomshardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2118-4.html), the best card for the money right now at $150 is the Radeon HD 4850 512 MB. The 1GB version isn't much better, but could help in games that have a lot of textures.
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NZXT makes nice cases. Rosewill does not make good PSU's, period. They're cheapo and if you're putting together a nice chunk of change like that. Spend $100 or so on a PSU.
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Why the 64bit Vista? Just curious. Any 64bit applications you plan on using in the near future?
Final Thoughts
$1500 seems like a lot of that built IMO.
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NZXT makes nice cases. Rosewill does not make good PSU's, period. They're cheapo and if you're putting together a nice chunk of change like that. Spend $100 or so on a PSU.
Love the NZXT cases not this particular one though. This is NZXT's entry level case and only has support for 3 x 120mm fans (source: NZXT.com From NZXT comes a mainstream chassis designed for value without sacrificing performance. The Alpha features a steel chassis and support for up to three 120mm fans when the optional side panel is included.) And I am 99.9% sure that Rosewill is a Newegg brand, good shopping not good makers
Final Thoughts
$1500 seems like a lot of that built IMO.
I think the price is way high for that build too as stated above.. great minds....
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Tildeath, I read about a system you built for DustyR. I like the price of that one much better. Which one would be the better system? The computer I buy will be used mostly for AH. Price is obviously important, but most important is having enough machine to run the game without issues. No more piece of crap WalMart computers for me.
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Parts List
Gigabyte Motherboard Part # EP45-UD3P (3 year warranty)
Intel Q6600 Processor Part # BX80562Q6600 (G0 model) (Retail box 3 year limited warranty)
OCZ Vendetta 2 Heatsink & Fan Part # OCZTVEND2 (1 year warranty)
OCZ Reaper Memory 4GB Part #OCZ2RPR10664GK (Lifetime warranty)
EVGA GeForce 9800GTX+ Part # 512-P3-N879-AR (3 year warranty)
Western Digital 500GB Hard drive (not sure which 500 I put in so no part #) (5 year warranty)
Tagan 900 watt Power supply Part # BZ900 (3 year warranty)
NZXT Tempest Case
NZXT SENTRY 1 Fan controller with CPU, System, HDD temp monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium installed and includes disks and license.
All manuals and install disks
Our Price $875.00 built and burned in
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Parts List
Gigabyte Motherboard Part # EP45-UD3P (3 year warranty)
Intel Q6600 Processor Part # BX80562Q6600 (G0 model) (Retail box 3 year limited warranty)
OCZ Vendetta 2 Heatsink & Fan Part # OCZTVEND2 (1 year warranty)
OCZ Reaper Memory 4GB Part #OCZ2RPR10664GK (Lifetime warranty)
EVGA GeForce 9800GTX+ Part # 512-P3-N879-AR (3 year warranty)
Western Digital 500GB Hard drive (not sure which 500 I put in so no part #) (5 year warranty)
Tagan 900 watt Power supply Part # BZ900 (3 year warranty)
NZXT Tempest Case
NZXT SENTRY 1 Fan controller with CPU, System, HDD temp monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium installed and includes disks and license.
All manuals and install disks
Our Price $875.00 built and burned in
DustyR’s system has a less expensive MB a less expensive processor and a little slower memory. Additionally I was offered rebates from the manufactures that are not available at this time. Pricing is on a build by build basis.
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No offense but IMHO that first sytem you posted is a WAY overpriced POS. You're getting better on the second parts list. I'll post more thoughts tomorrow sometime during the day.
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Currently, Tildeath is building me a system (one that probably cause me to get divorced :devil ) and so far he has been professional, knowledgeable, and very reasonable during the process.
I'll post my specs, pics, etc when the system arrives next week.
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I would wait a few weeks. Skuzzy made a post Intel is dropping prices on processors. The price reduction probably will not reach retail for a few weeks.
LA TIMES writes:
Intel Corp., the world's biggest maker of semiconductors, cut the price of some processors by as much as 48% as it confronts slumping demand and new lower-cost chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
The price of the Celeron 570 processor, designed for laptops, dropped 48% to $70, Intel said Monday. One of the company's quad-core desktop-computer models, which have four processors on one piece of silicon, dropped 40% to $316. Intel kept the price of its three most expensive desktop chips unchanged.
The shrinking economy is crimping personal-computer orders, creating a glut of processors. The Santa Clara, Calif., company, mired in its worst slowdown since 2001, also faces mounting competition from AMD, which introduced chips this month at half the price of comparable Intel products. Still, the price cuts aren't a reaction to that, Intel said.
"These changes are part of our regularly scheduled price moves," spokesman George Alfs said. "Intel has been bringing higher and higher performance to a range of price points over many years."
AMD's two new Phenom II processors, unveiled Jan. 8, are the highest-performing products ever produced by the Sunnyvale, Calif., company. Outfitted with more memory and four processors, the chips sell for $235 and $275.
Intel also announced new chips Monday for "massive-compute" jobs. Those products, which have four processing cores, are designed to enable desktop computers to handle heavy-duty data crunching.
Yea right they aren't cutting prices due to AMD Phenom II release. Get real. If this is true they have been overcharging. I would bet HP, Compaq and Dell are making orders on the Phenom II as we speak and Intel is feeling the pressure at lower cost chips.
PC WORLD via Yahoo writes:
Intel on Monday announced price cuts across a wide range of chips used in mobile and desktop PCs, including cuts of up to 40 percent for its quad-core chips.
Intel's Core 2 Quad Q9650 processors are now priced at US$316, a 40 percent drop from December. Other Core 2 Quad chip prices were cut between 16 percent and 20 percent. The quad-core chips are used in high-end desktops like gaming systems.
Intel's move could be a response to increasing price pressure exerted by rival Advanced Micro Devices, which recently announced the Phenom II quad-core chips for high-end desktops. AMD has priced its Phenom II quad-core chips between $235 and $275.
Intel also cut prices of its Xeon chips for servers and Celeron processors for mobile devices by up to 48 percent. The quad-core Xeon 3370 is now priced at $316, a 40 percent drop from December, while the Celeron 570 chip was cut by 48 percent from $134 to $70.
Amid the price drops, Intel also introduced three power-efficient quad-core chips with the "s" moniker. The Core 2 Quad Q9550s processor includes 12MB of L2 cache, runs at 2.83GHz and draws 65 watts of power. The chips are priced at $369. The chip is power-efficient version of the Core 2 Quad Q9550 chip, which draws 95 watts of power.
Intel also introduced the Core 2 Quad Q9400s processor, which runs at 2.66GHz, and the Core 2 Quad Q8200s, which runs at 2.33GHz. This chips are priced at $320 and $245 respectively.
40% drop uggh, they have been rippin yall off! Intel's margins must be huge at up to 40% price reductions.
If you are looking to get the price much lower, go AMD PHENOM II, they got great reviews. For $235, the Phenom II 940 outperformed the Q9400 . It was slower in some components of WorldBench, including WinZip and Photoshop, which lowered its overall score a bit up to the Q9400. In some benchmarks it was close to the Q9650. AMD just reduced price on the Phenom II 940 from $275 to $235 and the Phenom II 920 from $235 to $195!
I know Tildeath will be all over me(With all due respect). The Intel's have more overclocking power but these new AMD processors are priced right and perform well. They performed at or above all Intels up to the Q9400. I am talking Quad core.
The Intel core i7 series continues to be the leader. If you are prepared to spend that much money, wait for the Intel price reductions and look into the core i7 series. If you are looking at raw performance, the i7 920 looks attractive but remember the motherboard(cheapest around $200) and DDR3 will cost more. Hold off a short time and see where the "chips" fall! The price gap may not be as great as your build shortly. It may even be less than the prices you posted and may be within your personal budget.
:rofl
You guys will get a kick out of this:
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/3197599356_31e0e8bc8e.jpg)
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You can wait, I'd rather not watch TV and twiddle my thumbs until then.
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If you are looking to get the price much lower, go AMD PHENOM II, they got great reviews. For $235, the Phenom II 940 outperformed the Q9400 . It was slower in some components of WorldBench, including WinZip and Photoshop, which lowered its overall score a bit up to the Q9400. In some benchmarks it was close to the Q9650. AMD just reduced price on the Phenom II 940 from $275 to $235 and the Phenom II 920 from $235 to $195!
The i7 920 which is priced at 229.99 is 5 dollars cheaper and will run circles around the Phenom II. The price drop does not reflect the fact that the Phenom II reminds me of something you find on late night TV "Ronco Processor-o-Matic" its garbage. The pricing your following it seems is suggested retail, which almost none of the resellers follow. If they did then the i7 920 would be 349.99 and not 229.99. Microcenter beats processor pricing from Newegg and distributors (Ingram Micro, DandH, ASIpartner, etc) alike. As far as the benchmarks, overall score is what counts not just a single score, unless that's all you will ever do with this processor then it is worth while. Every other review I have read on the Phenom II states the chip is garbage. I personally will stick with the inflated price as you state since I prefer Quality over Price any day
I know Tildeath will be all over me(With all due respect). The Intel's have more overclocking power but these new AMD processors are priced right and perform well. They performed at or above all Intels up to the Q9400. I am talking Quad core.
A lessor expensive Intel chip slightly overclocked will outperform the Phenom II hands down. In addition the Phenom II was supposed to be AMD's overclocking beast well its Overclocking ability is summed up like this "they OC like a rock trying to float"
The Intel core i7 series continues to be the leader. If you are prepared to spend that much money, wait for the Intel price reductions and look into the core i7 series. If you are looking at raw performance, the i7 920 looks attractive but remember the motherboard(cheapest around $200) and DDR3 will cost more. Hold off a short time and see where the "chips" fall! The price gap may not be as great as your build shortly. It may even be less than the prices you posted and may be within your personal budget.
200.00 is not much for a decent MB, especially when you figure all the MB makers gaming boards are in the 230.00 and up. I am not saying that you can't get a good board for less, you can but a good gaming board (overclocking board) is in the 300 dollar range. DDR3 memory has come down in price a lot over last several months. But memory has been on the rise again since production has been cut due to the economy. Supply and Demand
In my mind there is not an AMD chip out there worth buying at any price. They simply do not perform GHz to GHz as an Intel does and purchasing a $ for $ Intel to AMD, the Intel will still out perform the AMD even though the speed is slower.
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Here are the specs for a new system I was thinking about purchasing. Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
This is the quote we can do and it will give you 1 to 4 monitor access - so you can have a surround of screens. It's up to you.
SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
If this is the way you want to go you might want to hold off for a few weeks to see if the recent Intel price reductions find their way to retail. If you're not into prfessional graphic or video editing you can save a lot of money by getting a Core2Duo (E8400 and up) instead of a quad core. If you really are into getting a quad and have the money then look at the Core I7 but the prices are still high IMO.
ZALMAN/ROSEWILL INTEL DELUXE COOLER (ULTRA QUIET)
ASUS P5N-T Deluxe LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
If I were buying an Nvidia chipset board I'd be looking at eVGA (I have an eVGA 780i). I've heard of a lot of problems with the ASUS baords lately. Beyond that, the 780i is limited to DDR2800 RAM. Both the 750i (DDR21066 IIRC) and the 790i (DDR3 2000 IIRC) support faster RAM although the 750 only has two PCIe slots. If you've got the money to look to the future get the 790. If you want a good board at a good price get the 750.
SUPER TALENT/AMPO 8GB DDR-2 1066MHZ PC-8500 (4X 2GB)
Huh? I've never even heard of this brand. Stick with a reputable brand; OCZ, Cousair, Kingston HyperX, etc. Make sure what you're getting is low latency (i.e. 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15)
(WEEKLY SPECIAL) Western Digital WD10EACS 1TB SATA2 16MB Hard Drive
Hard drives this size make great storage/back-up drives but I'd want something smaller (250 Gb or less) as my primary boot drive. I've also had, and have heard of, more problems with WD drives than Seagates.
LG/SAMSUNG 20X DVD-RW DUAL LAYER W/LIGHTSCRIBE (PROMO ITEM)
2 VIDEO CARDS NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB IN SLI MODE
Now this is the biggest waste of money in this system. Putting two bad cards in a machine won't suddenly make them good. You're at least one step below the minimum that you should be looking at (9600, 8800, 9800, GT260, GT280). Buy ONE good card for what you were going to pay for these and you'll be much better off.
6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD
With the money that we've already saved :) you can now afford to buy a Creative X-Fi soundcard and unload all the audio processing off the main machine.
10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet Network Card (onboard)
NZXT ALPHA MID-TOWER ATX CASE - FREE COOLING PKG.
ROSEWILL/NZXT 600 WATT SLI POWER SUPPLY
Cheap PSU. Buy something good (PC Power & Cooling for instance). This is also marginal for an SLI rig. If you want to SLI now or in the future you're going to want to be in the 750 Watt range with a ton of amps on the 12 volt rails
(SPECIAL) Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64BIT (DVD & LICENSE INCLUDED)
FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING
1565.00
There. I said I'd post more thoughts. There they are.
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There. I said I'd post more thoughts. There they are.
I totally agree!
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Hey TilDeath check your email. I need an price quote on some stuff for the future to know what I am looking at if you guys build it for me.
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See Rule #4 (if you cannot express yourself without making derogatory remarks to others, then stop posting)
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See Rule #4
It depends on his budget. If he was willing to spend $1500+ on his first post, why are we setting the bar lower for him?
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See Rule #4
Newegg is not the best place to get processors. Microcenter is the best place for processors and it looks like they raised the price 10 bucs since yesterday http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0300438 (http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0300438) An E8400 will run circles around the Phenom II at 50 or more dollars less.
There is not that much of a markup on computer parts and when newegg offers rebates it is often less then my cost for an item. NewEgg gets flooded with monies from the vendors for rebates and I cant blame the makers for doing so. For instance EVGA's X58 mb on Newegg is 299.99, my cost from the distributors is 296.00 plus shipping. Where I make my monies is in my building expertise, power supplies (newegg has high PSU pricing) and for the better memory and some cases too.
Your input is from reading, I have hands on experience with the items I propose in a build, the actual items not I have a &^$&@$ Card and it works for me so the *@$@&# card should work for you. It is not like that. A build as I have told you before is having the right components for each build some work better with some components while others work better with different components.
Yes I quote "Benchmarking" because all the reviews you read show numbers "Benchmarks" meaning how well a component and or a system perform. Benchmarks are important since they directly relate to how well a system will perform tasks, the higher the benchmark the faster the system is overall. The original poster showed a system at over 1500.00 I posted a system that will outperform it for a few hundred dollars less with better components, therefor a better, faster, more stable system.
Dr D some of us posting here are actually experienced in building systems and some build more in a week then you have your whole life. We belong to trade groups and continuing education programs for our industry to be able to keep up with the technology and make sensable recommendations to our clients and future customers. Not to mention the larger sites making reviews of items whom are also advertisers, they have no choice but to give a semi favorable review to continue the advertising dollars coming in.
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Having worked in a computer shop as a builder and then as the sales manager and built hundreds of systems I can attest to the fact you swap ideas around, build your own test rigs, mess with hundred's of different configurations on repairs, see things inside a computer that will make you want to wear a positive pressure decontamination suit, etc... So I can agree with what TD is talking about. I can also see with Dr D was saying as well since as a sales person in the same computer store I was willing to put myself into the customers shoes to try something they talked about. Usually with ok but not spectacular results.
Now with that said I asked TD to get me a quote today. He came back and said...nope can't beat Newegg on those prices for the components as a system. I don't OC anything unless I want to see how far I can go before I fry something crucial...(just my luck on a system & I learned from it back in the early Celeron days). Anyway I got some useful ideas and am investigating them now. Bottom line....do whatever you want to do and make it work for you. Me I am kind of tired of building my own systems and having to screw with it when or if something fails (usually just after warranty expiration).
Here is what I asked him for:
Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+) VH6000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:VH6000BWS
Thermaltake W0106RU 700W Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version SLI Certified 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Model #:W0106RU
EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:132-BL-E758-A1
EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #:896-P3-1255-AR
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Model #:BX80601920
OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1600LV6GK - Retail
Model #:OCZ3X1600LV6GK
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:ST31000333AS
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional 70SB088600002 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card - Retail
Model #:70SB088600002
Total price on Newegg for this is $1660 + shipping without the OS.
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the Intel will still out perform the AMD even though the speed is slower.
if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?
btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled?
quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )
I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's well its Overclocking ability is summed up like this "they OC like a rock trying to float"
have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?
I think if one matches their components up properly ( regardless if Intel or AMD ) which are listed by the manufactuer's of the Processors & Motherboards, then bout the only way a system could not produce what the individual is looking for would come from Builder Error ( read as I D 10 T ERROR )
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if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?
Yes in benchmarking programs (FutureMark Vantage) the 920 scores better
btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled?
I have two clients with the 920 running at 3.8 on air. If you look here EVGA has them at 4.5 on air. Here is the step by step guide http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=642527&mpage=1&key=򜷟 (http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=642527&mpage=1&key=򜷟)
quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )
Put an Intel at the same speed and same components and it will still way out preform the Phenom II.
I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?
Myself none, but 2 of the guys that work with me have build 10 or 12 with chips direct from AMD and seen the builds and we all agree they are not what they are made out to be.
Not everyone builds from the Qualified vendors (components) list. If they did then there would be no need for Vendors selling other parts like a 1200 watt PSU, you will not find them on QVL but they are sold, 2000 FSB memory is sold but it also is not on the QVL but the motherboard makers show FSB up to 2000 OC. The reason being is that most gamers, ones that play multiple games overclock their system in some sort of fashion for better frame rates, smoother gaming, or just because they can. They look for MB and Processors that are friendly to OCing and OC well. Check out the real overclocking forums out there and look the the posters and moderator signatures, you will see very few AMD listed. Mostly, E8400 160 dollar chip clocks to 4GHz easily, Q6600 in the high 3GHz. Heck check my signature and Q9450 at 3.9 and 24/7. If you want a stock box get a Dell you want to Game build it or have it built. I also prefer Quality over Price anyday
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It's gettin' hot in here with all these fan bois :rofl
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It's gettin' hot in here with all these fan bois :rofl
:D, not sure who you refering to, Fulmar, I was actualy trying to post in a non-biased way to shun off any fanbois ;)
I made no claims, only refered to posts I have seen & read.......
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if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?
btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled?
quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )
I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?
I think if one matches their components up properly ( regardless if Intel or AMD ) which are listed by the manufactuer's of the Processors & Motherboards, then bout the only way a system could not produce what the individual is looking for would come from Builder Error ( read as I D 10 T ERROR )
While the AMD PHENOM II works on Socket AM2+ platform, Intel has upgraded its CPU socket to the LGA1366 format(Socket 1366). Clock speed do not necessarily equate to better performance. The Intel i7 series is simply better technology and benchmarks much higher than the last generation of Intel quad cores and the AMD PHENOM II. AMD will introduce the Phenom II or the next generation to Socket AM3+ platform very soon and it will be very interesting to see how it performs. They may give Intel a run for the money! The Phenom II can be overclocked to appr. 3.5 ghz while the i7 920 can be overclocked to about the same(Some people are saying they are getting 4.0G from air cooled from both). Both can be clocked higher with third party coolers and higher chipset voltage boosts. As in earlier reply, the Phenom II is rated equal to the Q9400 but does not compare to the i7 920. Tildeath is somewhat correct, the i7 is much better performance but performance and quality have 2 different definitions. You will pay for performance for sure but that does not make the Phenom worse quality.
Socket AM2 + platform only supports DDR2 but it is a rather inexpensive upgrade to just a better processor while the i7 series requires a new motherboard(Which starts at $200) and DDR3 which adds to the cost. DDR3 runs at higher clock frequencies while drawing less power than DDR2 memory however, it also has higher latencies, and is currently somewhat more expensive. Users of Socket AM2 motherboards will be able to upgrade to AM3 processors, without replacing the motherboard or memory. Socket AM3+ will work with either DDR2 or DDR3.