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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on January 21, 2009, 05:12:50 PM
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I am looking for a material or fertilizer to make a itty bitty evergreen in my back lot grow to 80 foot tall in two years or less.
Any suggestions?
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Crack.
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I should clarify that I would prefer legal substances.
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Be careful what you wish for. Seedlings can be cheap. Tree cutting and removal never are.
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I should clarify that I would prefer legal substances.
DOH! Out of ideas for you then.
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:rofl
I know who to ask but erm.. :noid
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Really? I'd love an expert arborist's advice!
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Nitrogen is the answer.
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I need more information: 1) about the tree, I assume it's a conifer of some type, so if you have any clue as to what type of conifer it is that would help. 2) about where it's growing, how much sun does it get, what the natural climate/rainfall is like.
And as for 80ft in two years... hydroponics... "maybe"... but since we're talking 80ft here, it might be cheaper to just inject the thing with crack as suggested above.
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Just to be sure. You want your trees like this (http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.lipper.cc/8th_AF/images/low-ploesti.jpg&usg=AFQjCNF3TXVTzrpB1R37bPEpQDijBSedog) correct? :D
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Nitrogen is the answer.
Duh, he said something legal... Geez, some people...
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I need more information: 1) about the tree, I assume it's a conifer of some type, so if you have any clue as to what type of conifer it is that would help. 2) about where it's growing, how much sun does it get, what the natural climate/rainfall is like.
And as for 80ft in two years... hydroponics... "maybe"... but since we're talking 80ft here, it might be cheaper to just inject the thing with crack as suggested above.
It is a colorado spruce. The tree is right next to a pile of B-24 parts, but they are clean and do not block the sun, which it gets a lot of. It does not get much water till summer.
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You do know if you polish up those B-24 parts the sapling could get more sun. With the reflective qualities of polished aluminum. :aok
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I need more information: 1) about the tree, I assume it's a conifer of some type, so if you have any clue as to what type of conifer it is that would help. 2) about where it's growing, how much sun does it get, what the natural climate/rainfall is like.
And as for 80ft in two years... hydroponics... "maybe"... but since we're talking 80ft here, it might be cheaper to just inject the thing with crack as suggested above.
Yourwelcome
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You do know if you polish up those B-24 parts the sapling could get more sun. With the reflective qualities of polished aluminum. :aok
I actually think the smoke stack will help with that as I have a very shiney one.
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This your tree farm?
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/ploesti.jpg)
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Duh, he said something legal... Geez, some people...
So now nitrogen (a naturally occuring element) is illegal?
Nitrogen is the portion of miracle grow that actually works.
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This your tree farm?
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/ploesti.jpg)
No, that's Polesti, this is Colorado, I think we have different laws of tree growth here.
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I think 80 feet is a little beyond what you will get (by at least 65 feet) even with the best fertilizer. :D
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1) If it is already planted, you options are limited. There are some "stick the garden hose into it" and then " water the root area type tree and plant fertilizers that work OK. Those large plant and tree "spikes" don't work very well, especially if you live in an area that only has seasonal rainfall. You could dig down no closer than 12" (depending on the size of the tree--if it's older than 5 years--you might damage the root system) with a hand trowel and bury a mixture of soil and animal fertilizer three in a triangle shape outside the planter in the center would work.
2) If the tree is not already planted...in the subsoil, dig down about 2 feet and dig a hole 2 feet in diameter. With the soil you have removed, keep half. Refill the hole, mixing it half and half with either cow, horse, sheep, or even duck fertilizer. Plant the tree in that.
Pine trees have very shallow root systems compared to how tall they eventually get. They are actually pretty forgiving about their sunlight.
If you try to use commercially made "lawn/garden" fertilizers like for use in spreaders it just might kill the tree.
ROX
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You can buy some nitrogen at an ag dealer.
46-0-0 dry granular urea
or
32% nitrate solution (liquid)
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I'd suggest Bullcrap. My dad buried me in it when I was teenager and I grew from 5'3" to 6'4" in 2 years.
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I'd suggest Bullcrap. My dad buried me in it when I was teenager and I grew from 5'3" to 6'4" in 2 years.
BS you say.... anyone know where Bodhi can get a truck load of that?
And is there some way of telling how much was used... say some type of meter?
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I think he is already spreading it. What do you want with an 80 foot fir tree?
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BS you say.... anyone know where Bodhi can get a truck load of that?
And is there some way of telling how much was used... say some type of meter?
He buried me up to my ears, but those ears were a bit higher all the time. I'd suggest at least up to the lower boughs.
Make sure that BS includes loads of useless advice and repeated drunken stories.
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stay off the dope pothead!
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Bodhi,
You need to hire a very talented artist to paint a translucent spruce tree on the sliding glass door.
Once done, you can have any sized tree you want by simply changing position in the room.
shamus
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http://www.extension.umn.edu/yardandgarden/ygbriefs/H463fertilizingevergreens.htmlhttp://
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pray.
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He lives in Colorado for crying out loud! Nitrogen should be all he needs unless he is trolling in which case he needs a nap! :D
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I am looking for a material or fertilizer to make a itty bitty evergreen in my back lot grow to 80 foot tall in two years or less.
Any suggestions?
One of my neighbours has a nice landscaping /driveway screen with bamboo, and i live in Windsor, Ontario . I can't believe this tropical plant can survive over winter in 10-20 degrees F. It's losing leafs in winter time, but becomes green again in march -april. Bamboo is the fastest growing plant on earth; tree hugers are considering "green" all kind of stuff made from bamboo, it reaches maturity and can be harvested after 4-5 years of growth, kind of renewable. Some species of bamboo grows over 3 feet/day can reach 90 feet/year, but not here in Canada.
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I think 80 feet is a little beyond what you will get (by at least 65 feet) even with the best fertilizer. :D
Well, from what I have heard, you can get 80' tall evergreens inside of 2 years...
Not sure, but gonna try. :)
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Bodhi,
You need to hire a very talented artist to paint a translucent spruce tree on the sliding glass door.
Once done, you can have any sized tree you want by simply changing position in the room.
shamus
Tried that, even painted B-24's coming through with it, and the missus said it looked as though the trees were still to small...
what's a man to do at this point... I say I'll grow 80 foot tall evergreens in two years!
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Saw one in Germany last autumn. 1 year and it was some 15 feet!
You will need some potassium as well as N and P. Look for an organic substance, that you can get into the soil.
(The chemical will burn the roots)
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Fish emulsion....back in the day my "evergreens" would grow a foot a month. The "pine cones" were quite large by the 8th month. :D
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One of my neighbours has a nice landscaping /driveway screen with bamboo, and i live in Windsor, Ontario . I can't believe this tropical plant can survive over winter in 10-20 degrees F. It's losing leafs in winter time, but becomes green again in march -april. Bamboo is the fastest growing plant on earth; tree hugers are considering "green" all kind of stuff made from bamboo, it reaches maturity and can be harvested after 4-5 years of growth, kind of renewable. Some species of bamboo grows over 3 feet/day can reach 90 feet/year, but not here in Canada.
...and it's strong as heck.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrldvoyagr/347786033/
They use it on skyscrapers too.
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I am looking for a material or fertilizer to make a itty bitty evergreen in my back lot grow to 80 foot tall in two years or less.
Any suggestions?
What species of evergreen? Most of them will not grow to that height in that short a time and those that do never get full enough to really provide any kind of concealment.
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What species of evergreen? Most of them will not grow to that height in that short a time and those that do never get full enough to really provide any kind of concealment.
"Evergreen" is like a code word I think.
Kinda like "I'm trying to grow these ummm....tomatos...but they just not budding...errr...blooming. How do I get big fat sticky...I mean.....juicy...umm..buds... sorry....tomatos."
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Wont that kind of growth make for a weak trunk? Pine is already one of the softest woods.
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So now nitrogen (a naturally occuring element) is illegal?
Nitrogen is the portion of miracle grow that actually works.
Wow.......... I officially retire from obvious stupid comments.
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Heh....ghi beat me to it.
I was gonna say rip out the evergreen and plant a few small bamboos.
Little sun, little fertilizer, and they will grow like crazy.
Let me know and I'll send you all you want...but be careful what you wish for. :devil
Joker
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I heard some short guy got a hold of some dust from some Queen in a place called "Lothlorien" and he made some trees grow very quickly with it. I forget his name, heard he went overseas in a sailboat.
If you want something to "grow fast" then get some teenagers. Just remember to keep the fridge stocked.
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No evergreen tree would actually grow like that in 2 years. but I think that the word refers to something else.
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Wow.......... I officially retire from obvious stupid comments.
I didnt realize you were going for obviously stupid comment. :rofl
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I think uptown has sort of covered this. Not sure if you know what a Kina is .... oh yeah they are also known as sea eggs. In any case just, collect and crush a heap of shellfish Kina also if possible. You want enough to probably 1/4 -1/3 fill a 10 or 20 liter bucket and top up with water. Make sure you have a lid and keep it outside. keeping it in the sun is good because you want it to ferment. You can use this straight off. after it has had time to ferment a little ( you'll know when it is truely at it's prime) you can decant a bit...say 1L into a 2L bottle and top this up with water and use as you would to feed your plant. With the brew you have made just keep adding water and from time to time some more shell fish and you'll have a continuous supply of the best plant food, and to top it all off you'll keep the greenies happy. Although this is an amazing growth food the type of tree you are trying to grow from all accounts only grows up to 12" per year.
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Redwoods grow pretty quick, but I don't think your going to get even a redwood to be 80' feet in two years unless the tree is already 70'.
Just an FYI redwoods top out around 100' so an eighty foot tree is a really tall tree.
Also according to the info I found on the Colorado (blue) spruce they top out around 65' so I don't think you are ever going to get this one to be an eighty foot tree.
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make a itty bitty evergreen in my back lot grow to 80 foot tall in two years or less.
Any suggestions?
Photoshop would be your best bet. :D
Seriously, over 3 feet a month for two years? Ain't gonna happen.
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See if you can get a hold of Jack. He got that beanstalk to grow higher than anyone did, I am sure he can help you out.
:D
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It is a colorado spruce. The tree is right next to a pile of B-24 parts, but they are clean and do not block the sun, which it gets a lot of. It does not get much water till summer.
Ah, Picea pungens. Lets ignore the 80ft mark in two-year requirement, because if you do actualy pull it off, tell me before the feds ship you away for being a mad scientist. I hope you know if it's a Colorado Blue Spruce or not, though the regular ones as seedlings do have blue and grey color (Picea pungens glauca, most grow squat/dwarf and fat compared to the non-blue spruces, I think there's even a variety that's more of a ground cover than a tree/shrub, since you're aiming for 80ft they won't do).
It's good if it's in the sun, though they like mild/cool summers. They like dry soil, full sun or lightly shaded areas, receiving little to moderate amounts of water throughout the year. Make sure your B24 parts aren't diverting or pooling rainfall immediately under the tree. They do not like really hot and humid summers. Their worst enemy is aphids, typically kept in check by cold enough winters that will kill them off and mild summer climates.
In gardens they claim the Colorado Spruce will average 30-60ft, but this sounds like it might be closer to the wild and it's natural habitat so 80ft should be a good goal, maybe even 100ft if its' really really happy. Spruces have no real soil nutrient requirements, they might actually react negatively if you kept applying fertilizers until you got a visible reaction... though that reaction unfortunately at that point would most likely be negative (over-fertilizing). I wouldn't give it commercial fertilizer, or any fertilizer in a large dose, I'd go the slow and steady route. If it's roots are already established good and it's growing straight, I'd just spread some horse manure around under it's canopy once every year or two if you have a neighbor with horses that wouldn't mind you coming by with a shovel, otherwise you could dig it up and then plant it surrounded by a light manure and soil mix (you don't want so much manure that it would retain a lot of soil moisture and make the tree unhappy).
Spruces are a good set-it and forget-it tree, if placed in a happy spot and climate there really isn't much else you need to do for them. Just help the seedling get established as a healthy sized tree, give it water during a dry spell, and make sure during bad weather it's not getting over-watered (if it's in the bottom of a ditch, I'd move it).
One of my neighbours has a nice landscaping /driveway screen with bamboo, and i live in Windsor, Ontario . I can't believe this tropical plant can survive over winter in 10-20 degrees F. It's losing leafs in winter time, but becomes green again in march -april. Bamboo is the fastest growing plant on earth; tree hugers are considering "green" all kind of stuff made from bamboo, it reaches maturity and can be harvested after 4-5 years of growth, kind of renewable. Some species of bamboo grows over 3 feet/day can reach 90 feet/year, but not here in Canada.
Oh that's nothing, one of my favorite bamboos is an ebony colored stalk bamboo that does quite well in all sorts of climates, it's agressive as all hell though like most bamboo. It's called black bamboo (phyllostachys nigra) and will tolerate climates as low as 0 degrees F (actually there are quite a lot of species of bamboo that can tolerate the 0-5 degree F range). My guess would be your neighbor has Narihira Bamboo (semiarundinaria fastuosa), I know it's one of the hardiest bamboos tolerating -4 degree F climates and makes nice manageable hedges/screens.
Some black bamboo photos I have bookmarked for work (stalks less than 2-years old are green):
(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/k/kr/kris_b/655281_black_bamboo.jpg) (http://gardenblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/22/black_bamboo.jpeg)
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Photoshop would be your best bet. :D
LMAO already been tried. :rofl :rofl
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No evergreen tree would actually grow like that in 2 years. but I think that the word refers to something else.
I do not agree. I have it on expert advice that it can be done.
Ohh, and it is not code for anything else, just a simple evergreen tree on my lot.