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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on January 22, 2009, 10:03:27 AM
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2 Things:
1) There was going to be something called "Combat tour" or something like that. I dont know much about it and never did but apparently its not happeniong anymore. I would assume the effort and energy that went into that is coming into the MA now?
2) Allot of people talking about leaving. Has the game stopped evolving and in so doing keeping people interested. When you are new its a voyage of discovery, but without new developments there is nothing new to learn/master. Is that what is happening and old timers are getting bored?
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Other than the arenas being split up and better graphics I don't see any real difference in the game since I started in 2001.
I think it is just boredom with the game that is taking its toll.
As to whther HTC is investing enough in the game...$15/month does not entitle any of us to any information in that regard.
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Other than the arenas being split up and better graphics I don't see any real difference in the game since I started in 2001.
I think it is just boredom with the game that is taking its toll.
As to whther HTC is investing enough in the game...$15/month does not entitle any of us to any information in that regard.
I am not intimating we should know figures etc I am attempting to ascertain if the game has stagnated which from what your saying it has. Learning the existing game is still great for me but I havent been around as long as some so I dont understand the disenchantment. Generally I hear people complaining about the playing style but that is probably a constant and new Planes, Gvs renew interest for me anyway and perhaps more types of objective than just the dominant Air Field, Vehicle base and Carrier Group. Perhaps small escourt size carriers with a limited plane set and maximum no of planes they can up at one time combined with a really tough to sink Battleship, Submarines, Artillery and some new planes?
Just Ideas, maybe HTC could put together some consultation and develop some new aspect to the game.
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Other than the arenas being split up and better graphics I don't see any real difference in the game since I started in 2001.
...Except for the 53 new planes and vehicles. Higher resolution hit detection. Exponential addition of points of force, new thrust/drag, revised prop vortex, ground effects. New and improved content creation software. Improved film system. 3d trees instead of pancake layers of 2d shapes. Game mechanics adjustments galore. Yep other than that, no real difference :)
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...Except for the 53 new planes and vehicles. Higher resolution hit detection. Exponential addition of points of force, new thrust/drag, revised prop vortex, ground effects. New and improved content creation software. Improved film system. 3d trees instead of pancake layers of 2d shapes. Game mechanics adjustments galore. Yep other than that, no real difference :)
That was a good zing right there if I've ever seen one.
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Trust me, HTC is not just sitting on their Hands while collecting a paycheck... If people are getting tired of the Game play and are thinking about leaving, then consider flying in some Special Events...
Special Events:
- Scenarios (War/Battle Reenactments)
- Sunday European Campaigns
- Snapshots
- King Of The Hill
- Friday Squad Operations
- Aces High eXtreme Air Racing League (Every Tuesday 10pm est)
- Heavy Metal Sundays (GV Events)
- Aces High Squad Dueling League
All of these are designed & hosted by VOLUNTEERS, who like the game enough to spend their time to make it better for everyone else... Join us for a special event and check the calender for upcoming special events. The Racing Leauge is my favorite ;)
It's a whole new level of playing in Aces High.
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I think if you actially read the posts about leaving, you'd know it was lame game play.
Also if you read the boards more often you'd know CT is buried. All future work is on the core game.
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Aces High Squad Dueling League the ultimate dogfighting experience, 6vs6 or more flying into an organised furball with your friends nothing can beat it, if your squad isnt signed up already what are you waiting for?
King Of The Hill want to dogfight and show your indivadual aerial prowess?
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...Except for the 53 new planes and vehicles. Higher resolution hit detection. Exponential addition of points of force, new thrust/drag, revised prop vortex, ground effects. New and improved content creation software. Improved film system. 3d trees instead of pancake layers of 2d shapes. Game mechanics adjustments galore. Yep other than that, no real difference :)
soooooo,......what've they been doin then? :noid
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Great game, great staff, great community leaders (Trainers and many CMs), and an ungrateful community.
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...Except for the 53 new planes and vehicles. Higher resolution hit detection. Exponential addition of points of force, new thrust/drag, revised prop vortex, ground effects. New and improved content creation software. Improved film system. 3d trees instead of pancake layers of 2d shapes. Game mechanics adjustments galore. Yep other than that, no real difference :)
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Amazingly, except for plane interiors the game still looks like its 10+ years old and the gameplay has not materially changed either. There are tons of great ways to improve gameplay and graphics yet suggestions are mostly ignored or worse yet met with poor attitude. Sure, stuff has been done but man years disappeared into that dark hole of CT and little leadership or vision has been put forth. I wish them well but seeing the results of stagnation speaks for itself. It is what it is. Tweaking prop vortexes and more points of force is all well and good but there are other glowing areas which draw attention. Its a good product but you can't blame folks for pointing out how little apparent progress is made where the customer cares most.
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Aces High Squad Dueling League the ultimate dogfighting experience, 6vs6 or more flying into an organised furball with your friends nothing can beat it, if your squad isnt signed up already what are you waiting for?
King Of The Hill want to dogfight and show your indivadual aerial prowess?
I would like do KOTH can you PM how to get in etc and I would like to join in next time your doing it. :pray
I dont know what an Indivaduel is but it soujds grape.
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When you are new its a voyage of discovery, but without new developments there is nothing new to learn/master.
When is the last time you spent a tour (or even a day or two) in a Hurri-1 or P-39...or any airplane other than your favorite? There are many, many things (air and ground) to choose from to learn/master. Sure, you'll suck at them in the beginning...but doesn't everyone at first? If you care that much about your rank and score, then you are missing the whole point [IMHO] of this game.
I was bored flying cannon-laden planes and killing people with a .5 second burst. I've flown the Hurri-1 for a while now, and have had a great time because it forced me to fly better, more controlled and be more patient to set up the shot and keep the guns on target long enough for the kill.
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That was a good zing right there if I've ever seen one.
Murdr is the "King of Zing!!"
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Murdr my congratualtions. I can't list the members of my family let alone the improvments HTC has made in the game in the last 10 years or so.
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Murdr my congratualtions. I can't list the members of my family let alone the improvments HTC has made in the game in the last 10 years or so.
Time for some Namenda or Aricept, Hajo. I really do think it is time for it... :aok
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Great game, great staff, great community leaders (Trainers and many CMs), and an ungrateful community.
Not entirely ungrateful community. I think they do a great job.
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I've been playing AH since the first beta and have always enjoyed the game. I'll take breaks from time to time, but always keep my subscription active. My favorite part of the game is air combat and getting new planes. Yes, we have many planes, but a lot are just different models of the same air frame. Since flying is the main draw to AH, I've never understood why more emphasis wasn't put on getting new planes out as often as possible. In my view, filling out clearly missing planes to flesh out Special Events and giving users new rides, should always be the first priority of HTC.
I greatly appreciate the work HTC does and glad they are around to give us an excellent game. I just wish for more planes! :)
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I would like do KOTH can you PM how to get in etc and I would like to join in next time your doing it. :pray
I dont know what an Indivaduel is but it soujds grape.
There is a KOTH forum under special events. News and information about the KOTH can be seen there. There is two KOTH's a month and a final tournament of Champions KOTH in january.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,135.0.html
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Are you interested in WW1 combat?- That's a hint if i've ever seen one.
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Oooh! Oooh!
I'm interested in World War I combat!
Aerial combat, that is.
Much less interested in trenches, mud, rats, lice amonol and shreds of steel.
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:rofl
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could'nt of said it better. lame game play says it all
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since the announcement of the long awaited CT being tanked indefinitely, im sure many people assumed that would mean more frequent updates, (new planes, redos of the aged one.. whatever) which thus far has not been the case.
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2) Allot of people talking about leaving. Has the game stopped evolving and in so doing keeping people interested. When you are new its a voyage of discovery, but without new developments there is nothing new to learn/master. Is that what is happening and old timers are getting bored?
I don't really see this as a game anymore, and probably many other "oldtimers" don't either. This is a hobby. Not just the physics of it, and the techniques and tactics, but the history of the aircraft, pilots, units, battles, and people who answered the call during WWII. Beyond that the history of the genre itself. It's a social hobby. The fellowship of common interests and friendships are probably just as important, if not more, than the game itself.
I don't expect an endless list of tasks to "master". This is a simulation. The routes to develop are the fidelity of the simulation, and new things to simulate. It's not like a pure "game" where you can just keep adding new levels and imagining fictitious new things to add to the game. No doubt players reach a plateau, and move on to the next game/hobby/challenge, but not all. If HTC wants to move into other era's of air combat, like is often suggested, that's cool. I don't require it to keep my interest.
What I do want is an environment I can log into and have some "fun" at the aspects of AH that I'm interested in on a given night. If I see that goal is hard to achieve, I'll certainly speak up about it. For the most part I believe HTC does a decent job of checking the pulse of the community, and making adjustments when they feel it's needed.
Sorry for rambling, but as it's been said in previous replies...It's about gameplay environment, and not a lack of shiny new toys to play with.
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could'nt of said it better. lame game play says it all
:huh
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Del! Wassat stuff I'm sposed to find??? <slap> ;)
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As to whther HTC is investing enough in the game...$15/month does not entitle any of us to any information in that regard.
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The hell it does not.........
But i don't second guess HTC.
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I don't think theres too much wrong with the game. But HTC should give people the choice of being able too play the game with who and how they want too. A choice they took away from understandably scrapping H2H.
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I'll still play, although not near as much as I used to. Great place to socialize and legally fly drunk every now & then.
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The hell it does not.........
But i don't second guess HTC.
actually, it doesn't.
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The hell it does not.........
But i don't second guess HTC.
All that $15 a month buys you is the opportunity to play the game. If you think you are entitled to anything else like company information, game development, or anything else your sorely mistaken. How naive !
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$15/month does not entitle any of us to any information in that regard.
How mach would?
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How mach would?
Better question would be how much are you willing to pay to have that right? Providing HTC is willing to offer it for a price.
I like Murdr's analogy, Its a hobby, and a cheap one at that. 50 cents a day. I snowmobile as a another hobby, I spend in 1 day what this costs for a year when on a trip to the U.P.
Sure everyone can always say "I want more from/ out of the game" Just remember more comes at a price, reguardless!
It took me awhile to find my likes and dislikes about the game, but now I just stick with, the who, what, and where I like to do it, and its all good for the most part. The part that is bad.............well it has less to do with the game as opposed to some of the people.
My $.02
JDog
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Trust me, HTC is not just sitting on their Hands while collecting a paycheck... If people are getting tired of the Game play and are thinking about leaving, then consider flying in some Special Events...
Special Events:
- Scenarios (War/Battle Reenactments)
- Sunday European Campaigns
- Snapshots
- King Of The Hill
- Friday Squad Operations
- Aces High eXtreme Air Racing League (Every Tuesday 10pm est)
- Heavy Metal Sundays (GV Events)
- Aces High Squad Dueling League
All of these are designed & hosted by VOLUNTEERS, who like the game enough to spend their time to make it better for everyone else... Join us for a special event and check the calender for upcoming special events. The Racing Leauge is my favorite ;)
It's a whole new level of playing in Aces High.
Oh and dont forget 'Mission of the Month' (MoM) Events! Over 100 People in these missions every month. Bishop MoM every first tuesday of the month, Rook MoM every middle tuesday of the month. :aok
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I don't really see this as a game anymore, and probably many other "oldtimers" don't either. This is a hobby. Not just the physics of it, and the techniques and tactics, but the history of the aircraft, pilots, units, battles, and people who answered the call during WWII. Beyond that the history of the genre itself. It's a social hobby. The fellowship of common interests and friendships are probably just as important, if not more, than the game itself.
I don't expect an endless list of tasks to "master". This is a simulation. The routes to develop are the fidelity of the simulation, and new things to simulate. It's not like a pure "game" where you can just keep adding new levels and imagining fictitious new things to add to the game. No doubt players reach a plateau, and move on to the next game/hobby/challenge, but not all. If HTC wants to move into other era's of air combat, like is often suggested, that's cool. I don't require it to keep my interest.
What I do want is an environment I can log into and have some "fun" at the aspects of AH that I'm interested in on a given night. If I see that goal is hard to achieve, I'll certainly speak up about it. For the most part I believe HTC does a decent job of checking the pulse of the community, and making adjustments when they feel it's needed.
Sorry for rambling, but as it's been said in previous replies...It's about gameplay environment, and not a lack of shiny new toys to play with.
well stated.
Though atm I'm not really all that enthused with gameplay, in the 6-7 short years i've been around, I've never thought that HTC hasn't put enough effort into AH. AH is all this company has, they have a small team, and do alot with that team. To that end, I"m sure they invest as much as they can. I'd also add that it is an excellent thing that HTC allows player created content, from maps to skins, to the many special events. In a way, they invest with the community as well. With CT on the backburner, I have no doubt that they continue to work to improve the game at hand....though if they are just sitting around drinking whiskey and smoking cigars all day, I'd like to apply for a position :)
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All that $15 a month buys you is the opportunity to play the game. If you think you are entitled to anything else like company information, game development, or anything else your sorely mistaken. How naive !
I think that any Business with subscribers would want to keep customers updated on some form of regular basis, i.e. Quarterly or such like on developments, Not asking a lot, most video game companies do that now as a matter of course.
Are you suggesting that AH charges customers for Game development news? I'm curious as to why companies such as Eidos or Sega haven't started charging customers for update news as of yet...
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I think that any Business with subscribers would want to keep customers updated on some form of regular basis, i.e. Quarterly or such like on developments, Not asking a lot, most video game companies do that now as a matter of course.
Are you suggesting that AH charges customers for Game development news? I'm curious as to why companies such as Eidos or Sega haven't started charging customers for update news as of yet...
:rofl :aok The way some players suck up to HT should be studied by a few PHDs. I've never seen anything like it between a customer and a vendor before :lol
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2 Things:
1) There was going to be something called "Combat tour" or something like that. I dont know much about it and never did but apparently its not happeniong anymore. I would assume the effort and energy that went into that is coming into the MA now?
2) Allot of people talking about leaving. Has the game stopped evolving and in so doing keeping people interested. When you are new its a voyage of discovery, but without new developments there is nothing new to learn/master. Is that what is happening and old timers are getting bored?
Yarbles, come on man, get real. You've been registered in this forum for over two years. That's more than enough time to know that if you really want an answer to the question you put forth, your best supply of information is calling HTC and asking Hitech or Pyro to answer your question(s). Bringing the questions you ask to a public forum and expecting or hoping for concrete answers is just plain silly.
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Great game, great staff, great community leaders (Trainers and many CMs), and an ungrateful community.
:salute
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I think that any Business with subscribers would want to keep customers updated on some form of regular basis, i.e. Quarterly or such like on developments, Not asking a lot, most video game companies do that now as a matter of course.
I'm only guessing, but seeing as HT has been involved with warbirds too, maybe he got burned by letting out a bit to much information. He seems to like to play things close to his chest. It's his company, I'm not a shareholder, are you? Seeing its private, I doubt it, so its his way only.
Are you suggesting that AH charges customers for Game development news? I'm curious as to why companies such as Eidos or Sega haven't started charging customers for update news as of yet...
Im guessing here to, but with such large companies, by the time the "news" is out the games are well into production and there is little chance that another company could beat them out with the same game. HTC being small takes more time to put things together. If they had 100 people working on the software we would see update weekly.
I'd love to see more info, heck if HT would like to hire me I'll run his PR.... I am out of work :) but, I also know this is how he runs things, so I don't expect more.
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...Except for the 53 new planes and vehicles. Higher resolution hit detection. Exponential addition of points of force, new thrust/drag, revised prop vortex, ground effects. New and improved content creation software. Improved film system. 3d trees instead of pancake layers of 2d shapes. Game mechanics adjustments galore. Yep other than that, no real difference :)
I fly the same planes I flew when I first started in 2001. Never liked gvs.
I still suck as badly now as I do then so much of yer basic prop vortex revisons and exponantial additions don't seem to matter a whole lot. :lol The graphics are better though.
I'm just saying how I feel, not knocking HTC. As far as I'm concerned HiTech has invested his entire career in this game and has done a great job.
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Are you interested in WW1 combat?- That's a hint if i've ever seen one.
What is the WWI version of the Nook? Mustard Gas!! HTC, when do we get mustard gas?
Gotha bombers, Zeppelins, Snoopy's TriPlane. Bring it on HTC
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My guess, is that HTC is getting ready to release AH3 beta, and is trying to decide if there is enough demand to make adding a WWI arena feasable.
But thats just my guess. :)
Rock on HTC!
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The hell it does not.........
But i don't second guess HTC.
Wow. You've got a lot to learn in life. They (HTC) don't "owe" you a thing.
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Pyro & Waffle have been busy making me dinosaurs (with frikken rocket launchers) to play with. Raarrrgh...
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Yarbles, come on man, get real. You've been registered in this forum for over two years. That's more than enough time to know that if you really want an answer to the question you put forth, your best supply of information is calling HTC and asking Hitech or Pyro to answer your question(s). Bringing the questions you ask to a public forum and expecting or hoping for concrete answers is just plain silly.
What makes you think I am expecting any answers, I thought HTC reads these forumns from time to time. This should be considered consumer feedback or market research if they want it if they dont they will just ignore it :cool:.
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Great game, great staff, great community leaders (Trainers and many CMs), and an ungrateful community.
Well said Delirium. Anyone bored with this game lacks imagination. The problem with some is they have the "fighter Ace" mentality of just wanting to jump into a fight, kill or be killed, over and over again; then they yell they are bored. There are many times that missions are planned in the Main Arena and no one joins them; there are organized squads, many of whom only fly together on Squad Nights. IMHO these squads could make the main arena interesting with such things as organized fighter sweeps, bomber escorts on high altitude bombing missions (with the objective being the safe return of the bombers from successful bombing missions). There is so much that could be done by the community to remove the "boredom" factor that some complain about. HiTech can only provide the platform but if the community does not use it - Is that his fault???
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What makes you think I am expecting any answers, I thought HTC reads these forumns from time to time. This should be considered consumer feedback or market research if they want it if they dont they will just ignore it :cool:.
OK...fair enough.
At the AH Con, Dale and Doug provided a 2 hr Q&A whereby they stated that Combat Tour had been placed on hold. Many questions were put forth about "what's next". Pyro said that during the development of CT, many ideas were considered...some partially developed to the point they're now in the "garage". By that I assume he meant they're being considered as potential additions to the present game. Hitech commented that anything they consider adding to AH has to be considered and calculated very carefully. Changing one aspect of they game results in consequences with respect to other areas of the game...some of which are unintended and perhaps even detrimental.
I walked away from the Q&A feeling very satisfied that HTC realizes that the game must move forward. No doubt, they're also aware of the players who have left the game due to "gameplay" Really though, if you look at the number of people who've exited on a vocal or silent note, it's minimal compared to the number of new players who've come on board. HTC can control game play to some extent (the reason they split the MA a few years ago) but they can't control player behavior.
My guess is that AH will continue to develop and improve in the near future. In the meantime I'll continue to send in my 50 cents @ day.
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I have been here about 3years and have seen alot of changes-nochance of being bored as my squad sees that we have fun-we do fighter games squad an alliance missions bomber with escorts missions-but never bored.this game is what you make it-I have fun and love being with my friends
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I would say they've just made a pretty massive improvement. Just check out the home page.
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I have great appreciation for all the work that has been done and being done. Thanks very much HiTech. :salute
For many of us there is nothing better though than seeing a new plane come out. There are so many planes and variants that can be added. Perhaps if a new plane or variant came out every n months like clockwork user retention would go up. :aok
The n of course has to work for the development cycle and be cost efficient.
WT
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There are many, many things (air and ground) to choose from to learn/master.
Commandant Lasard hath spoken.
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Now where is Lt. Harris....in case you missed it.
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2 Things:
1) There was going to be something called "Combat tour" or something like that. I dont know much about it and never did but apparently its not happeniong anymore. I would assume the effort and energy that went into that is coming into the MA now?
2) Allot of people talking about leaving. Has the game stopped evolving and in so doing keeping people interested. When you are new its a voyage of discovery, but without new developments there is nothing new to learn/master. Is that what is happening and old timers are getting bored?
My god man, dont you know, your not to speak up against HTC. Thats blasphome around these parts, just give up the CC numbers and take what you get
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My god man, dont you know, your not to speak up against HTC. Thats blasphome around these parts, just give up the CC numbers and take what you get
Sounds like some poor fellow got his wittle feelings hurt. :frown:
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Sounds like some poor fellow got his wittle feelings hurt. :frown:
Yup...... probably about to go to work and hates selling popcorn and candy between movies.
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My god man, dont you know, your not to speak up against HTC. Thats blasphome around these parts, just give up the CC numbers and take what you get
HTC take more abuse (without compaining or banning many people) on this forum than any other business i have seen.
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HTC take more abuse (without compaining or banning many people) on this forum than any other business i have seen.
LOL! Hardly. The abuse you see in these forums is just a drop in the bucket the large MMO's experience in their official forums.
ack-ack
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My god man, dont you know, your not to speak up against HTC. Thats blasphome around these parts, just give up the CC numbers and take what you get
I find it embarassing (for them) how a couple of people have responded to this Digr, but we all have to be patient with the young and less gifted.
However your reaction is interesting and would have been similar to mine say a year ago. It appeared then that HTC was surrounded by a small clique of sicophants but on closer examination I think there is quite a substantial amount of genuine though sometimes crudely expressed loyalty and appreciation.
It was not BTW my intention to be so much critical as inquisitive. I am surpised more people arnt disinchanted after the non appearance of combat tour as people seemed to have allot of expectations that will now go unfulfilled. I never had any expectation for CT as I didnt know about it. I ve heard allot of people are leaving or considering it so I was interested whether this was a cause. I see HTC as a service provider in a market place and I dont know how unique or not their product is. Without HTC there would be less competition and you have to appreciate and value that. You can only judge whether they offer good value for money against what else is available in the market.
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For me - real life has taken over, have a few relatives that have lost their jobs, my stick broke and i just am not in the mood to play, just seems kind of weird to play now while all this trickle down economics is happening. I haven't cancelled my account, just waiting for the addictive urge to kick in again.
NwBie
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I see HTC as a service provider in a market place and I dont know how unique or not their product is. Without HTC there would be less competition and you have to appreciate and value that. You can only judge whether they offer good value for money against what else is available in the market.
Their product is the best massively multiplayer WW2 air combat game. New updates or features will only maintain that title, most people acknowledge this and get on with playing the game.
The subscription cost is your right to play online at Htc's servers on a month by month basis and to interact with everyone else. If you never had a sub and just played offline missions and kept up to date with the latest version. You will essentially have a totally FREE WW2 game how cool is that for value for money.
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For me - real life has taken over, have a few relatives that have lost their jobs, my stick broke and i just am not in the mood to play, just seems kind of weird to play now while all this trickle down economics is happening. I haven't cancelled my account, just waiting for the addictive urge to kick in again.
NwBie
You are missed, Brudda. Hope your RL situation improve in the near future. :rock
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LOL! Hardly. The abuse you see in these forums is just a drop in the bucket the large MMO's experience in their official forums.
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i stated 'that i have seen' and that is not many. I have experienced a forum and company that dealt with their customers like scum and banned me just for saying i didnt think banners in sig lines were all that hot. You remember warrock? :rolleyes:
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Great game, great staff, great community leaders (Trainers and many CMs), and an ungrateful community.
Slurp slurp :noid
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lookin jealous trigg :noid