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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ODBAL on January 23, 2009, 05:36:34 PM
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Got this in an email.... I can only hope it is true.
To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah)
Reply to: pers-982078099@craigslist.org [?]Date:2009-01-06, 3:43AM EST
I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend.
You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message.
I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket
for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for
Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed
at your head, isn't it?
I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants.
I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of
your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and
explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van
Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster. I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell.
They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day
now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone
calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well.
So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm
sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did
you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that
you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky.
If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry. Peace!
- Alex
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Hum :( Assuming it's true :rolleyes: the crook will just get a gun and make sure he guns down his victims first next time. Another one of those myths chain mail who's supposed to pump up ur chest in fairy land :rofl
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I don't buy it, but....
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/rnr/1003410342.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/rnr/1003410342.html)
wrongway
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Regardless of whether or not it is true (actually I posted it for the entertainment value) there is no denying it is funny.
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If so the gun carrying guy was concealing illegally. You draw it you use it or you dont draw it.
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i am sure that low life looser wont have a computer. even if he did, what are the chances he would be on that web site.
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If so the gun carrying guy was concealing illegally. You draw it you use it or you dont draw it.
In Texas it is legal to display the concealed weapon, if the use of deadly force is justified. (in the hope that you don't actually have to use deadly force)
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Its not illegal if he has a permit to carry a concealed firearm! :rock
Like most of you have said, weather its real or not, its just plain funny!!
<<SALUTE>> to the guy if its real though!!
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Well did anyone notice that "Alex" himself commit a crime in using the assailant credit card?! The phone usage might be criminal and is certainly actionable in civil court. The fact that an attempted mugging was foiled does not entitle "Alex" to behave in the manner that he did after the incident. As far as the concealed weapon goes: Georgia allows it under (IIRC) GCA11-16-126 for persons to obtain permit for carrying concealed firearms; if "Alex" was issued a permit, then no crime was committed in having it on his person. Drawing of the weapon was sufficient, by "Alex's" own account, to have deterred the assailant from his original intent. Thus "Alex" used sufficient measures to ensure his & his companions safety; any more force would see "Alex" doing in his pants what the assailant did in his own pants.
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Alex violated more then that but it cant be a real event. Normal Joe citizen that carries a gun (forgetting ex-military and police) once he realizes he is abiding the law in using a weapon will use the weapon 92% of the time. In my state the only time you can even let anyone know you have a gun is when you use it. I wouldnt want to make myself a target anyway without getting at least one shot off.
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Alex violated more then that but it cant be a real event. Normal Joe citizen that carries a gun (forgetting ex-military and police) once he realizes he is abiding the law in using a weapon will use the weapon 92% of the time. In my state the only time you can even let anyone know you have a gun is when you use it. I wouldnt want to make myself a target anyway without getting at least one shot off.
This and your above bit about if you draw it you're then bound to use it puzzle me. Are you really sure that's what the law in your state says? Because both instances really show how much you have no business carrying a firearm as they show not only a lack of knowledge of your local laws but also all the wrong motivations to carry one in the first place.
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Well obviously you dont know the law here.
Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument. Threatening someone verbally while possessing a handgun, even licensed, will land you in jail for three years. Even if the gun is broken or you don't have bullets, you will receive the mandatory three-year sentence if convicted. The law does not allow any possibility of getting out of jail early.
Normally you are required to retreat but if a use of deadly force is called for you can use the weapon.
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If so the gun carrying guy was concealing illegally. You draw it you use it or you dont draw it.
That doesn't make sense... So, if you thought you were gonna have to shoot someone mugging you... etc and you pulled your gun, and didn't fire, you go to jail?? :huh
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If you have to shoot someone then what changed so that you didnt fire?
Its the number one rule for concealed weapons where I live. Its odd too because at one point not too long ago you could carry a holstered gun on your hip legally. Point being we have too many laws already but if you want to carry a gun you must follow the rules.
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If you have to shoot someone then what changed so that you didnt fire?
Cajones.
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I'm not arguing the law if you say its the law challenge, but does anyone else think it makes no sense?
The government is promoting wounding or killing someone over scaring them off?
I'll bet there are certain instances where that law doesn't apply, like being robbed, now if you're arguing over a bill at a restaurant...flashing a gun should be illegal
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Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument. Threatening someone verbally while possessing a handgun, even licensed, will land you in jail for three years. Even if the gun is broken or you don't have bullets, you will receive the mandatory three-year sentence if convicted. The law does not allow any possibility of getting out of jail early.
This does not say if you draw a gun you must use it. You are grossly misinterpreting the meaning. It is saying you can't display the gun for leverage in an argument or as a threat. Displaying the gun in self defense, and as a potential prelude to using it, is a different story. By your interpretation, if you draw the gun and the guy turns around and starts running, you are obligated, by law (again, in your interpretation) to shoot the guy in the back. Think about it.
Regards,
Hammer
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Cavpfcdd:
Thats the whole point... well that and they dont want self-appointed policemen running around flashing guns.
A lot of laws dont make sense but this one I agree with because people will think before drawing the weapon out and it will save the taxpayers so much money when they do. As roundeye points out ('cajones') if they lose the initiative to fire they should not have drawn the gun in the first place because they are the most likely to have the gun taken from them and used against them and others around them.
If you own your own business and it is robbed you can defend it just like your own home without a requirement to retreat first and the same goes for your vehicle if it is 'invaded.' If you witness a crime you cannot act as a free-lance policeman but if you witness a life-threatening situation (imminent commission of a forcible felony) then you can use deadly force but deadly force must absolutely be required to prevent the crime.
If you pull a gun and act like 'Alex' did then you are a criminal just like the guy with the knife whether you won the escalation or not.
Hammer: You are never allowed to shoot at someone that is fleeing. Yes if you draw a gun and give the criminal time to realize he is screwed and needs to run then you are guilty of 'flashing the gun' and the courts will likely decide against you because the imminent commision of a forcible felony was not so imminent if the perpetrator has time to consider your gun. What you are suggesting isnt reality anyway. You dont pull a gun and say to the criminal 'hey hey see I have a gun so leave' because the imminent forcible felony then falls on you.
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I would urge you to discuss this with whatever authority certifies you for concealed carry. I would also urge you to read the actual law as written. The original statement sounds like something printed in a pamphlet. What state are we talking about here, if I may ask?
I agree you don't draw and talk - that's not what I said. I am simply saying it is unlikely that a law is written making it obligatory to use a firearm if you display it.
Regards,
Hammer
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I already have undergone the course for gun safety concealed carry and automatic weapons. The police officer made it very clear: you pull it you better use it. Do your thinking before you pull it and not after.
Florida. Our Commisioner is Charles Bronson
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html
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I already have undergone the course for gun safety concealed carry and automatic weapons. The police officer made it very clear: you pull it you better use it. Do your thinking before you pull it and not after.
Florida. Our Commisioner is Charles Bronson
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html
Technically, he did use it. He stopped a robbery. A gun is a tool. There is more than one way to use that tool. Was the police officer very clear that if you pull your weapon you must fire it?
wrongway
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Yes if you draw a gun and give the criminal time to realize he is screwed and needs to run then you are guilty of 'flashing the gun' and the courts will likely decide against you because the imminent commision of a forcible felony was not so imminent if the perpetrator has time to consider your gun.
In the above scenario the mugger is already committing Aggravated Assault in the commition of a Robbery under Florida law simply with the threat of use of the knife. It is lawful to exhibit and point a firearm at the assailant for self defense at that point.
776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
Improper exhibition of a firearm does not apply
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.--If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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argument pwnage. :lol
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Our court systems have already prosecuted and sentenced individuals that violated the rules as I outlined. The one undeniable fact of all this is that 'Alex' robbed the robber and if you shoot and kill the felon there will not be a felon suing you as a result of your pulling the gun.
This is how I conduct myself in carrying a gun. If I ever draw my gun there will be a felon DRT (dead right there) unless he shoots me first. I would hope other armed citizens would help to prevent that but it sounds like all I would see is a bunch of gun owners saying 'stop or I will shoot' which wont stop anything.
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sounds like all I would see is a bunch of gun owners saying 'stop or I will shoot' which wont stop anything.
yes it will, you have a gun!
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If you have to shoot someone then what changed so that you didnt fire?
What's changed in the mugging at knife point scenario is that you've produced a more effective weapon in self defense. That in itself may be enough to stop the crime. In many states at this point the onus is in the defender to still have a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death to himself or the thrid party they are trying to protect when they shoot.
Even on the link you posted...
If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force after the crime has stopped, you could be convicted of manslaughter.
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Blasters are so uncivilized..
That's why I use one of these....
(http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/1/ubergizmo-lightsaber.jpg)
It's really nice... Tells me the time... Has built-in XM radio... The bottom of the hilt even twists off
to house a small survival kit(fishing line, hooks, matches, etc)
The last degenerate who attempted to rob me got sliced in half right down the middle...
No putting him back together!! Heh heh heeeh......(evil laugh)
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Right the argument does tend to stop once you shoot. I see what your saying murdr neither works in every situation though. You shouldnt have to draw the gun unless the guy needs to be killed to stop the crime. In the case of 'Alex' it would not be a gun pulling situation to me but Alex did break the law after the gun was drawn by robbing the robber and the other things he did for his macho demonstration. In that imaginative case the escalation is only going to be to the criminals advantage and 'Alex' by your way of thinking could not fire. I can see how in that same situation he had the necessity to fire.
Anodizer: childish but funny none the less
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As roundeye points out ('cajones') if they lose the initiative to fire they should not have drawn the gun in the first place because they are the most likely to have the gun taken from them and used against them and others around them.
I meant cajones of the bad guy. If a criminal threatens your life and you see no way to escape and your life is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself, even with deadly force. So, you make that decision to protect yourself and shoot the attacker. You pull your weapon..........here is where the "cajones" come to play:
1. If the attacker has unusually large cajones, he may continue the attack and have his soul separated from his body.
or
2. If that attacker realizes what is about to happen, his cajones will shrink (or disappear all together) and he will either flee or surrender. If you plug him then it is NOT a justifiable shooting. The right and legal thing to do at that point is hold him until the authorities arrive. This would be a case when you decide to pull a gun and not use it.
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Ah but you see if a guy is using a knife the first thing he does is get close enough to use it. A gun in your hand at that point is on even ground only if you can use it before the criminal knows you have it. He can then slash your hand or whatever or drop the knife and flee. Pulling the gun and killing the criminal doesnt give him the chance.
I can see a few of the responders in this thread should not carry a gun unless they can gather the will to use it or they will be victims AND be responsible for endangering lives. Thats the cajones I meant.
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Blasters are so uncivilized..
That's why I use one of these....
(http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/1/ubergizmo-lightsaber.jpg)
It's really nice... Tells me the time... Has built-in XM radio... The bottom of the hilt even twists off
to house a small survival kit(fishing line, hooks, matches, etc)
The last degenerate who attempted to rob me got sliced in half right down the middle...
No putting him back together!! Heh heh heeeh......(evil laugh)
LOL Anodizer, that is just what this thread needed. Here is a secret, I posted this originally to give people a chuckle. I forget how nothing can go on here without dissection by the "smart fellers". Hell, Swoop can't even post a pic of a hottie without enciting a debate!
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Anodizer: childish but funny none the less
Ah but you see if a guy is using a knife the first thing he does is get close enough to use it. A gun in your hand at that point is on even ground only if you can use it before the criminal knows you have it. He can then slash your hand or whatever or drop the knife and flee. Pulling the gun and killing the criminal doesnt give him the chance.
I can see a few of the responders in this thread should not carry a gun unless they can gather the will to use it or they will be victims AND be responsible for endangering lives. Thats the cajones I meant.
It was meant to defuse any tension in the discussion..
If it was childish, so be it.. :)
Anyway, the story is total BS and I find it amusing that it's gone this far..
Kicking the crap out the guy and making him submit until the cops get there is
probably a better option legally(I've actually done this but it almost didn't workout in my favor legally. that's another story).. Depending on what state or city you're in and how liberal it is, guns are a sketchy option.. If the guy is a hardened criminal(especially one that's already done some time), he will probably take your gun,
kick your arse, and then shoot you or beat you with it because you even dared pull it out(there are documented instances of this) before you can even make a judgment call..
You make it sound like criminals are stupid.. I can assure you that the ones who are out to straight-up rob you at gun or knife point are not dumb and you probably won't even have a chance to pull your weapon, let alone shoot it at him..
He's more used to the "Kill or be killed" mentality than you are, whether your "cajones" are the size of grapefruits or grapes.. Having big balls doesn't make you smart or agile.. It doesn't give you quicker reaction time or make you stronger.
You will hesitate...Why? Because in the back of your mind, you don't know if this is just some dude tapping on your shoulder because you have a piece of toilet paper stuck to your shoe,
or if he wants your wallet.. These kinds of things don't happen in war zones where you already know the situation and have a heightened sense of awareness.. This is you walking down the street to your favorite restaurant or walking to your car after work.. If you have a hair trigger mentality and are willing to discharge a weapon at the first inclination of what you think is trouble, you don't need to own a gun and really shouldn't be anywhere near them and are better off alive as a statistic (you gave him your wallet, purse, etc. and he went on his way). If you want to carry a gun for protection, I say you should be allowed to carry it where everyone can see it so it will be a deterrent(with proper permits of course)..
Understand, I am absolutely not opposed to guns or the ownership of them.. I have been around fire arms my entire life.. I trained my wife in their use.. We own several fire arms(we shoot regularly) including two crossbows (I'd love to use those on someone trying to break in), two Katanas (not the kind for display and I am also trained in their use),several baseball bats and my old lacrosse stick from university stashed in strategic areas around the house. I'm all about myself, my family, and everyone else NOT being a victim.. I just think the majority of people (including Chalenge) would by disappointed, killed/and or maimed by the out come if this scenario was played out.. Unless you have street smarts, training, or have been through some serious crap in your life to put you in the proper frame of mind to actually take a life or seriously beat someone into the pavement, "cajones" as well as guns are useless in this scenario.. The only way this would work out is if you could read the guys mind, know that his intention is to rob you , and shoot him while he's still 10 feet away. Otherwise, you're gonna pull the gun, he's gonna take it, and you're gonna get hurt..
**prepared for testosterone enhanced "tough guy" response**
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LOL Anodizer, that is just what this thread needed. Here is a secret, I posted this originally to give people a chuckle. I forget how nothing can go on here without dissection by the "smart fellers". Hell, Swoop can't even post a pic of a hottie without enciting a debate!
Yeah.... :frown:
Try to do a nice thing and see what happens?
lol
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I prefer to think Odbal was completely taken in by this ridiculous story and we straightened him out. ;)
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I prefer to think Odbal was completely taken in by this ridiculous story and we straightened him out. ;)
If that ends the battle of the intellectual ego's, then I'm all for it! Next I'll tell you the true story of a friend of a friend who was in Vegas, met this beautiful woman, took her back to his room and woke up the next morning in a bathtub full of ice without a kidney.
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A few years ago I drew on a couple of guys I caught stealing stereos from cars in a haul away yard and held them on the ground until the leo's got there, guess I was breaking the law because I failed to shoot them.
shamus
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I think this has been on here before, maybe not.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU&NR=1)
Mess with the wrong people.....
wrongway
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Our court systems have already prosecuted and sentenced individuals that violated the rules as I outlined
Links?
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i am sure that low life looser wont have a computer. even if he did, what are the chances he would be on that web site.
Man, if only I had a nickel for every time I saw the word looser.