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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Deerhntr on January 24, 2009, 09:32:57 PM
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I wish for the Gloster Meteor :pray. I'm Upset of there being 2 Axis Jets but no Allied.
Name:Gloster Meteor
Powerplant: 2x Rolls Royce Welland TurboJets
Crew: 1
Armament: 4 20mm British Hispano Cannons
Range: 500 miles
Max speed: 410Mph
Service Ceiling: 34,000Ft
Again We need some Allied Jets please!!! :pray
Or the P-59 Airacomet
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I wish for the Gloster Meteor :pray. I'm Upset of there being 2 Axis Jets but no Allied.
How much combat did the Meteor see? BTW, only 1 Axis jet.....the other is a rocket ship!! :D
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How much combat did the Meteor see? BTW, only 1 Axis jet.....the other is a rocket ship!! :D
For the most part only used on V1 rockets.
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How much combat did the Meteor see? BTW, only 1 Axis jet.....the other is a rocket ship!! :D
Two German jets, the Ar234 and Me262.
As to how much combat, more than the Ta152.
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God has killed yet another kitten.
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
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I couldnt out run a Dora or a K4 and an La7 could catch it at altitude. Unless you want to lose alot f perks i wouldnt put it in the game.
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I couldnt out run a Dora or a K4 and an La7 could catch it at altitude. Unless you want to lose alot f perks i wouldnt put it in the game.
That 410-417 mph figure is for 10K, which is the same as what the Pony does in its 12K sweetspot...which ain't bad. However, according to Wiki:
"Specifications (Meteor F Mk I)
Data from The Great Book of Fighters[10] and Quest for Performance[2]
General characteristics
* Crew: 1
* Length: 41.24 ft (12.57 m)
* Wingspan: 43.01 ft (13.11 m)
* Height: 12.99 ft (3.96 m)
* Wing area: 350 ft² (32.52 m²)
* Empty weight: 8,139 lb (3,692 kg)
* Loaded weight: 13,819 lb (6,268 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce W.2B/23 Welland turbojets, 1,700 lbf (7.6 kN) each"
"No. 616 Squadron exchanged its F 1s for the first Meteor F 3s on 18 December 1944. This was a substantial improvement over the earlier mark, although the basic design still had not reached its potential. Wind tunnel and flight tests demonstrated that the original short nacelles, which extended fore and aft of the wing, contributed heavily to compressibility buffeting at high speed. New, longer nacelles not only cured some of the compressibility problems but added 120 km/h (75 mph) at altitude, even without upgraded powerplants. The last batch of Meteor F 3s featured the longer nacelles while other F 3s were retrofitted in the field with the new nacelles. The F 3 also had the new Rolls-Royce Derwent engines, increased fuel capacity, and a new larger, more strongly raked bubble canopy."
So we could quite possibly see a version with a top speed higher than 410.
I wonder what even the Mk 1 would do on the *deck*, which is most important in the MA. If it is still puttering around at 380 or so down there...watch out.
It has four nose mounted Hisapanos, and would out-turn the Dora. Possibly also the K-4. Has highest perked aircraft in the game written all over it.
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As I recall the Mk I did 380-390ish on the deck.
It was the Mk III that was sent to the continent though and it would, in my opinion, be the one to add.
I agree that it might well be the highest perk cost unit.
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"On 20 January 1945, four Meteors were moved to Melsbrook in Belgium. In March, the entire squadron was moved to Gilze-Rijen and, then in April, to Nijmegen. The Meteors flew armed reconnaissance and ground attack operations without encountering any German jet fighters. By late April, the squadron was based at Faßberg, Germany and suffered its first losses when two pilots collided in poor visibility. The war ended with the Meteors having destroyed 46 German aircraft through ground attack and having faced more problems through misidentification as the Me 262 by Allied aircraft and flak than from the Luftwaffe. To counter this, continental-based Meteors were given an all-white finish as a recognition aid."
Turn on friendly collision. blurry windshield mod, and all white skin. Then :aok on the idea.
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NO.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO.
We already have too many jets as it is. We don't need any Allied jets. And the Wellands put out less heat than a toaster.
The He-162 would be a better option, since it performed better, and we can easily balance out the advantages.
In the MA it would only get 15 min on full load and it would fall apart at the seams if anything bigger than a .45 hit it.
And the Airacomet was simply rubbish.
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Or the P-59 Airacomet
Anyone recall how much of an epic FAILURE this plane was?
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P-59 never went into production.
I say sure to another jet, or a/c of any type.
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P-59 never went into production.
No, but the prototype was PATHETIC.
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It'd be fun for gits and shiggles.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Gloster_Meteor_Mk_III_ExCC.jpg/800px-Gloster_Meteor_Mk_III_ExCC.jpg)
Yep, reviving this one. I say give her a go!
:aok
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I agree but...
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I highly doubt the Meteor Mk. III will have a higher perk price then the Me. 262.
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would surely have to be Meteor IIIs with 2,000lb B.37 engines (most common WWII variant):
| Sea Level | 3,975fpm | 465mph |
| 10,000' | 3,250fpm | 476mph |
| 20,000' | 2,500fpm | 483mph |
| 30,000' | 1,700fpm | 484mph |
| 40,000' | 750fpm | 466mph |
NO.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO.
We already have too many jets as it is. We don't need any Allied jets. And the Wellands put out less heat than a toaster.
The He-162 would be a better option, since it performed better, and we can easily balance out the advantages.
We dont need any jets, but since the 262 isnt a hangar queen we obviously like jets. the 162 performed better? since when has uberness been a requirement for a new aircraft?
One of the reasons for developing the Meteor was "High altitude interception against the Me.262 or other enemy jet or rocket aircraft." and this is the main reason I see for its introduction - to balance the 262 and 234 as we have nothing else that can really compete with them.
Saw combat, served in squadron strength, balances the planeset, one of the most important fighter aircraft ever produced. Ticks all the boxes - give us the Meteor! :aok
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as for perk price I'm not sure - if modelled right I dont think it would be an easy aircraft to fly well.
slow acceleration under 250mph, heavy ailerons (sluggish rollrate?), snaking from yaw instability and a structural/compressibilty limit of ~500mph IAS (quite close to max operating speeds) could make it a challenge. I'm thinking similar to the mossie in this respect.
However, it has dive brakes, useful flaps and "... turns inside the Tempest V under all conditions, and can get on to its tail in approximately four turns" ... :uhoh
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While the Meteor isnt high on "my" list of A/C to include I see no reason for not having it!
On the otherhand,I'd like to see the Mossie updated{extra versions} and the inclusion of the Me 410 long before the Meteor.
:salute
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Yes to the MK3 Meteor :aok
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I would like to see it. But at the rate we get new airplanes I would rather have some different ones first. I would put the the Meteor ahead of the B-29, but still much much later.
Something Japanese first, like any of the following: A6M3 - G4M - Ki-44 -Ki84-lb - Ki-100
:aok
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We have a german rocket fighter, a german jet fighter and even a jet bomber. Please could we have the Meteor added? The only allied jet fighter to see service and it's missing from the game. As has been said before it sore more service than some of the types already in the game.
Great job on the new aircraft and done to the same standard this would be a beautiful aircraft to look at, even if a challenge to fly!
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+1 to Meteor
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I agree but....
I agree but...
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As compared to the Me262, it has a slower top speed and a slower climb rate. The biggest thing the Meteor Mk III would offer over the Me262 would be a quad 20mm's (easier to use then 30mm's and yet just as effective vs aircraft), and a tighter turn radius.
The jury is out on the roll rate, acceleration rate, range, and survivability.
I vote to go ahead and add it. Perk it the same as the Me262.
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RTHolmes numbers seem like a higher climb rate than the Me262, particularly as altitudes go up. I believe its range was much greater than the Me262 as well.
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RTHolmes numbers seem like a higher climb rate than the Me262, particularly as altitudes go up. I believe its range was much greater than the Me262 as well.
Thanks for pointing that out. I read that incorrectly. I dont have a printed source that details much about the Meteor, but I could have sworn I thought I had read where the Me262 could out climb the Meteor. Perhaps I'm thinking of the Mk I and not the Mk III. *shrugs*
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I flipped over my 2013 WW2 planes calendar and April has the Meteor.
It is badly needed to fill the void that is the RAF's first Jet fighter and Kazaa said he would come back and fly if added. Nuff said. :salute
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This one would have to win a player vote, me thinks. Otherwise, I bet HTC continues pouring resources in to remodeling first generation aircraft and plugging some of the obvious holes in the AH plane set.
As of now, I think the biggest hole in the planes set is a Russian level bomber, namely the DB-3 or IL-4.
My suggestions for the next 4 planes to be added to AH:
DB-3 or IL-4
Wellington
D520
Beaufighter
THEN maybe the Meteor Mk III.
Otherwise, each of the big 5 have their base planes covered, imo. :)
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I want it! Will give me another thing to kill in uber 262
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It is badly needed to fill the void that is the RAF's first Jet fighter
Badly needed no. But I will take it.
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excuse the bump,
Now that the Yak-3 has finally made it into Late war this is the only credible plane that can be added to this arena, for those of us who would like a competitive, non-hangar queen, fighter aircraft.
The ME-262 has long since been the top of the food chain and whilst I do not see this plane changing that, down to pure top speed, it can most definitely spice things up a bit!
It will also do justice to the genius of Sir Frank Whittle and the Historic moment when it became the RAF's first jet fighter aircraft.
My other selfish reasons for wishing this, I have a zillion Fighter perks unused and my good friend Kazaa has given me his word that he will come back to the game and actively play if this plane is added.
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I was once against the Meteor on grounds it really didn't see combat service (i.e it wasn't flown against enemy aircraft and kept behind the lines the entire war). But like the P-39 it did do ground attack missions at the end of the war (there was no luftwaffe really left to challenge it anyway).
It served in combat and was in combat strength, My only question is will it be the Mk I or Mk III? I think the MkI was in operation and Mk III was after the war (I cannot remember I posted the information in another Meteor thread while back).
I do would like to see the Meteor eventually, I would certainly vote on it knowing the information I have, it earned its rights just like any other aircraft.
I just wish the Brits were not scared to throw it against the Luftwaffe (one of the main reasons I read was they were worried the Germans might get ahold of the technology if the meteor goes down) not sure if anyone can cite this but its one of the reasons I know it was held back.
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the first meteor flew in 1943, what we would want is the Mk III that ended the war.
It wasn't because the Brits were scared to use it but why would you risk it getting into German / Soviet hands when you had Spitfires, Typhoons and Tempests doing all the dirty ground attack work against a rapidly shrinking German front.
Knocking down flying bombs was important and dangerous work and it was in squadron strength. The fact that it made the vote list last time out indicates that HTC accept it's inclusion.
As far as LWMA goes how awesome would it be to saddle up to a 262 and have a proper Axis vs Allies match up instead of girly men passing up 262 vs 262 action.
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the first meteor flew in 1943, what we would want is the Mk III that ended the war.
Was it the Mk1 or Mk III that was flown in combat though? I don't recall if Mk III even seen combat.
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wiki says 46 German planes strafed on the ground and Squadrons were in Belgium before the end of the war.
losses from friendly collisions.
I'll have to get a book on it my collection is extensive but nothing on the meteor apart from seeing the one in RAF Hendon and a much later Model at Tangmere musuem.
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No. 616 Squadron exchanged its F.1s for the first Meteor F.3s on 18 December 1944.
Judging the Meteor F.3s were ready for combat over Europe, the RAF finally decided
to deploy them in the continent. On 20 January 1945, four Meteors were moved to
Melsbroek in Belgium and attached to the Second Tactical Air Force. Their initial
purpose was to provide air defence for the airfield, but their pilots hoped that their
presence might provoke the Luftwaffe into sending Me 262s against them. At this
point the Meteor pilots were still forbidden to fly over German-occupied territory,
or to go east of Eindhoven, to prevent a downed aircraft being captured by the
Germans or the Soviets.
In March, the entire squadron was moved to Gilze-Rijen and then in April, to Nijmegen.
The Meteors flew armed reconnaissance and ground attack operations without
encountering any German jet fighters. By late April, the squadron was based at Faßberg,
Germany and suffered its first losses when two aircraft collided in poor visibility. The war
ended with the Meteors having destroyed 46 German aircraft through ground attack and
having faced more problems through misidentification as the Messerschmitt Me 262 by
Allied aircraft and flak than from the Luftwaffe.
^ Butler and Buttler 2006, p. 48.
^ Green 1968, p. 55.
^ "CL 2934." Imperial War Museum. Retrieved: 3 June 2012.
^ Butler and Buttler 2006, p. 49.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
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Thanks gents, I read about 616 squadron maybe a handful of times, I just couldnt remember if it was Meteor Mk 3's or not, I remember one argument someone said Mk 3's never were in the war so I was confused by it (someone read a bad website if i recall now, website was bogus in someone saying Mk 3s never seen combat blah blah, probably a Luftwaffe fan boi coming up with his own information).
I do have quite a few Meteor books available if anyone wants them, and for your viewing pleasures I went and back got the tempest vs meteor test from one of my books, Enjoy!
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/meteor.jpg)
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If it does indeed turn inside a Tempest then it will be nice to fly! :D
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Now that the Yak-3 has finally made it into Late war this is the only credible plane that can be added to this arena, for those of us who would like a competitive, non-hangar queen, fighter aircraft.
I'd say the G.55, Ki-44-II, J2M3 or 5, P-63 and Re.2005 are all credible for the LWA as well. We are getting down to the dregs though.
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I'd say the G.55, Ki-44-II, J2M3 or 5, P-63 and Re.2005 are all credible for the LWA as well. We are getting down to the dregs though.
Dont forget my seaplane fighters :old:
And plus 1 for the Meteor
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Dont forget my seaplane fighters :old:
And plus 1 for the Meteor
Seaplane fighters will not be credible in the LWA. Probably not any arena.
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Seaplane fighters will not be credible in the LWA. Probably not any arena.
I grasp for straws with that wish. If they get get added it wont be for long time.
Dide the meteor carry small ords or rockets??
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wiki says 46 German planes strafed on the ground and Squadrons were in Belgium before the end of the war.
losses from friendly collisions.
I'll have to get a book on it my collection is extensive but nothing on the meteor apart from seeing the one in RAF Hendon and a much later Model at Tangmere musuem.
You can use it historically - vulch uppers. Great stuff.
Too bad, the Red Airforce has no bomber, also the Red Army is represented by two variants of one tank. Maybe thay have seen a little bit more action, than the Meteor - as it might be safe to say, the large majority of the war happened on the eastern front.
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You can use it historically - vulch uppers. Great stuff.
your just mad its like a faster tighter turning 190D :P
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You can use it historically - vulch uppers. Great stuff.
Too bad, the Red Airforce has no bomber, also the Red Army is represented by two variants of one tank. Maybe thay have seen a little bit more action, than the Meteor - as it might be safe to say, the large majority of the war happened on the eastern front.
:lol
I've always said we need the Tu-2 / pe-2 and was a big supporter of the yak-3. We were talking late war fighters and having the LA7 and yak3-9u I think they have it covered now unless there were some other soviet planes that have passed me by.
The meteor vs 262 fights would add something to late war, you wouldn't see me vulching in it unless your a wabbit!
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No V1! No meteor!
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I'd say the G.55, Ki-44-II, J2M3 or 5, P-63 and Re.2005 are all credible for the LWA as well. We are getting down to the dregs though.
G-10, 190A-9, G-6/AS, some of the night-fighters would also be decent, if not dominant.
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G-10, 190A-9, G-6/AS, some of the night-fighters would also be decent, if not dominant.
Why night fighters? We have no night time in Aces high - secondly the only way I'd vote on night time if you cannot move your GAMMA either.
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Because you can still fly your night fighter during the day time. Its not like direct sunlight would cause the wings to rip off, the pilot to hallucinate, and ultimately lead to spontaneous and catastrophic combustion.
If ground attack and flipping V-1's counts as combat, so should fighting actual aircraft when the sun is down. None of them are really a part of Aces High as they were done in real life, so I see no reason to discriminate against night fighters.
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The only nightfighters that might be competitive at all are the Mosquito Mk 30 and the P-61B. There is a slight chance the Ju88G might be as well. If we're going there the Ki-100 and Ki-102 might be as well.
But I think with these we're really pushing into aircraft that need more skill to use or are more specialized. That is true of the Bf109G-6/AS as well as it is nothing but a Bf109G-6 at AH combat alts. I can't comment on the Fw190A-9. I don't think the Bf109G-10 will ever be added to AH, but it would make the shortlist were it to be added.
Spitfire F.21 as well, but likewise I don't see it ever being added.
Ok, Seafire L.Mk III, and that may very well be added at some point as there were a respectable 1200 built.
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The K-4 would need little modification to become a late model G-10. Its not going to be a priority, but its definitely a competitive, almost dominant, LW fighter we could still add. An early model G-10 would use most of the existing visuals from the G-6 or G-14, and essentially just drop in the K-4's engine.
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The K-4 would need little modification to become a late model G-10. Its not going to be a priority, but its definitely a competitive, almost dominant, LW fighter we could still add. An early model G-10 would use most of the existing visuals from the G-6 or G-14, and essentially just drop in the K-4's engine.
Actually considering the K-4 and G-10 were two totally different aircraft, yeah...
The G-10 is not dominant, the K-4 was better.
The G-10 came after the K-4.
The G-10 is not better then the K-4 in performance, turn radius, climb.
Its actually not better then the K-4 in anyway other then it carries a 20mm cannon.
What part of this do you NOT understand? Sure you can request it, but the P-63 will actually be added in Aces high LONG before the G-10 will ever be.
Please.......do........me.... ......a..........favor....... ..trying........to........get .......it.......through...... .your.........head....... 109G-6/AS.......... Better........request........ ..
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He-162 Volksjager all the way, saw combat! 320 built! <--- adds to late war! I wont vulch rabbits either! ;)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/He162_color010.jpg/300px-He162_color010.jpg)
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luft whiners get out of the meteor thread!
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I wont vulch rabbits either! ;)
Well no, you'll be too busy watching your wooden parts unglue.
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Well no, you'll be too busy watching your wooden parts unglue.
Coming unglued. That's apropos. :)
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Anyone recall how much of an epic FAILURE this plane was?
The only combat it saw was against gravity.
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He-162 Volksjager all the way, saw combat! 320 built! <--- adds to late war! I wont vulch rabbits either! ;)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/He162_color010.jpg/300px-He162_color010.jpg)
Only issue is lack of documentation. I don't think anyone really questions that the few they could fuel up were thrown into combat, but does it meet de facto requirements?
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Only issue is lack of documentation. I don't think anyone really questions that the few they could fuel up were thrown into combat, but does it meet de facto requirements?
The two kills claimed on the internet are false, both planes were downed by Flak not He-162s so the He-162 does not have a combat kill. The 2nd Tactical airforce can claim one aircraft was downed by FLAK, the other however there is no confirmation of what exactly shot it down - again I say Flak but the He-162 that was credited with the kill was shot down or crashed himself - so there is no verification period.
I./JG1 was used in ground attack sorties against allied airfields, the known loss came from one of the pilots having to eject. This is a fact
I am not sure whether HTC will call this "operational" or not, just because you have 100 aircraft doesn't mean they flew if they had no fuel.
My best guess is - Yes it was in combat (less sorties and flight time then even the Ta-152 or any other aircraft) - it had a handful of operational losses, however it was simply to late in the war (April 16th? was the allied airfield attack mission)
I only can find one sortie flown by He-162s myself - however its been argued before by luft fans however I cannot credit/discredit them, rest of the time they sat on runways i know that much.
Question is whether this was operational or not, you cannot have aircraft operational if there is no fuel, how many he-162s flew that day I cannot recall.
Seen combat - yes it attacked an allied airfield, in squadron strength raises another question - I know JG-1 had over 100 He-162s just no fuel. So where does the borderline end? Only HTC can answer that.
Edited - I wanted to add that last part, whether this meets HTC's requirements I don't know, it could of been one aircraft or 100, i cannot confirm that.
Another thing posted around the internet is most of the pilots were green - they were ORDERED to avoid combat at all cost (Whether this is true I dont know) given how much airspace the allies controled, this makes me wonder if HE-162s flew period since this would be unavoidable and someone would vouch that He-162s were flying around or not.
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It meets HTC's one and only one "requirement", in that it saw combat. However it doesn't appear to meet de facto requirements.
And I guarantee that they flew as much as fuel would allow, given Hitler's insistence on using the super weapons. It wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to take the 262 combat records (if available for the relevant time period; my collection is limited by my student budget :frown:), and extrapolate based on that.
Wouldn't be too different either, I would imagine. Probably fewer operational aircraft, but of those more were able to fly on a given amount of fuel (1/2 the number of engines). It stands to reason that the two would balance out in some measure.
However, the problem is proving it. Unless we find some stash of documents buried in some vault somewhere, it seems improbable that we will ever be able to do so.
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It meets HTC's one and only one "requirement", in that it saw combat. However it doesn't appear to meet de facto requirements.
Normally I stay from aircraft like the He-177 and 162, its just a headache when trying to deal with both sides of the argument, same for Re.2005 or anything that few in "limited" numbers, as there are two crowds for it.
If it seen combat during WW2, it should be allowed, which means the 162 meets the requirement.
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not sure if people outside of the UK can view it but interesting documentary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03h8r3y/Cold_War_Hot_Jets_Episode_1/
give the boys new toys !
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not sure if people outside of the UK can view it
No.
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Coming unglued. That's apropos. :)
I have a feeling Schlowy would come unglued before the He 162.
ack-ack
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No.
I'll give you a summary. Meteor = awesome, Britain was once Great, American governments are evil and paranoid. Communists are bad.
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I wish for very controversial things like this HTC would comment and say they will either Add it, Think about it or it's in development. That way all the nags will shut up, or if nothing else, so we can say that "HTC has spoken".
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it made the last vote and all the crazies voted for the B29 :bolt:
so the fact it made the list indicates to me HTC accept all of the conditions for inclusion so that is no longer up for debate it is just a case of adding something that will ignite some interest in Late war and get players flocking back in droves just to see it.
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I have a feeling Schlowy would come unglued before the He 162.
So would his 162 :rofl
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it made the last vote and all the crazies voted for the B29 :bolt:
Nope. B-29 was the vote before. Meteor was in the final three of the last vote, behind the Yak-3 and the Me410. Final was between the Me410 and Yak-3 and the Me410 won.
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Nope. B-29 was the vote before. Meteor was in the final three of the last vote, behind the Yak-3 and the Me410. Final was between the Me410 and Yak-3 and the Me410 won.
so by that logic it is being made as we speak and will be in the next release. :banana:
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And we'll have get a drone v1 buzzbomb to fight with it! I would bet odds on the drone! :D
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I sincerely hope we don't get the Meteor. So much other stuff we need first.
Ordnance update
Ju-188 or Do 217
ANY russian level bomber
Improved auto puffy ack
Valentine tank
M3 Stuart
Panzer III
B6A
D4Y
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We got the Yak and three german td's around July 16, 2013... In seven more days, it will be November 16th, so, we're almost FOUR MONTHS since an addition?
The new machine(s) would probably be in testing by now, some getting debugged and maybe some already done!!!
Are we due for screenshots yet?
Guessing any new arrival would be out before Christmas?
Seems like Schlowy has been saving years worth of stupid wishes
ack-ack
Moon .... base.
Sorry you feel that way. You'll get over it. ;) :cheers:
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there are some ideas that should remain firmly locked away in the cranium like dying brain cells due to their stupid nature...this is one of those ideas.
*Why isn't Ack-Ack mentioning any possible prototype mechanical bugs like he did the 177, and that the Ki84 only had 1.5mins wep or that the Ta152 can't even take off without breaking a wing and flys backwards for further and better than any other plane in the game, let alone the 410 cant even fly level and flys backwards 2nd to only the 152?
*I can't believe that Arlo didn't say MOON-BASE, and actually posted a source earlier (but still failed to mention that the 'ENTIRE SQUADRON' was only FOUR PLANES), instead of his try-to-be wannabe a flamebaiter posts?
*Why is Nrshida talking about glue and NOT asking for ACTUAL REAL 1.5min weptime on the Ki84?
*Why is Guppy not in here spamming that he posted sources that the Meteor saw combat, without actually posting a source, like he does with the spit16?
*I also cant figure why Gyrene81 didn't post his picture of the super fat guy eating a Twinkie?
My list:
*He-177 (a big luft bomber)
*D.520 at least 1 French plane please, and it saw combat flying its own colors, just 50 to 100miles of water below England!
*I.A.R 80 at least 1 Romainian plane, it looks like an early war d9, that actually flew for it's own country, the luft, and the soviets. Only plane in game with those 3 paints!
*the Fairy Swordfish only plane England would have with a torpedo? that supposively brought about the sinking of the Bismarck? Better ground attack plane than the spit16 or Meteor with actual sources!
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The UK used the TBF/TBM Avenger and Barracuda as torpedo bombers as well.
The Swordfish's biggest triumph was Taranto where it inflicted heavy damage on the Italian fleet.
However, the Swordfish was also helpless against enemy fighters. In one example Fw190s destroyed every single attacking Swordfish.
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the Ta152 can't even take off without breaking a wing and flys backwards for further and better than any other plane in the game, let alone the 410 cant even fly level and flys backwards 2nd to only the 152?
This is coming from a dedicated Luftweenie who enjoys flying both the 152 and the 410.
In all the time I have spent in Aces High I have never had the wings on my 152 removed by anything except a hard belly landing, clipping a tree, or enemy fire. As for the tail stall I will admit to stalling it out a few times while learning the aircraft, however once I figured out it's limitations it ceased to be a problem.
Moving on to the 410.. With 50% fuel and twin 30mm's the 410 weighs in at roughly 22,000 pounds. I think it performs quite well (Especially in it's intended role of bomber hunting) for an aircraft that easily weighs as much as three and a half Bf-109's. True you can get it into a nasty stall but I have only managed to do so in the DA while trying to throw it around with a single engine fighter at speeds between 100 and 150 in full flaps, which I think we can all agree is a bad idea.
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*Why is Nrshida talking about glue and NOT asking for ACTUAL REAL 1.5min weptime on the Ki84?
I like glue.
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You have a problem with vulnerable machines being added? Or only a problem with vulnerable English planes being added?
Want to bet odds what gets attacked by a horde first? 410 or the Swordfish, or a 190A8 that seems to be overweight?
Of course, you despise and try to stomp any requests for a HEAVY LUFT bomber that could DEFEND itself from enemy fighters: the flagship luft bomber: He-177
Yeah, I forgot to mention you, Karnak! Ok, the goose-stepping Englishmen, the most opposite logic hypocrite when discussing plane modeling, in the game!
Hail Churchill and the English Reich! :rock
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... but still failed to mention that the 'ENTIRE SQUADRON' was only FOUR PLANES
Ah, Mr. Sour Wah Grapes FVW, guess that's what comes from not really reading the cited source.*
Would you like them stored on a CV for use at a later date? Betcha wouldn't mind 262s there. :D
"No. 616 Squadron RAF was the first to receive operational Meteors, a total of 14 aircraft initially."
"After a conversion course at Farnborough for the six leading pilots, the first aircraft was delivered to
Culmhead on 12 July 1944.[10] The squadron now with seven Meteors moved on 21 July 1944 to RAF
Manston on the east Kent coast and, within a week, 30 pilots were converted."
"No. 616 Squadron exchanged its F.1s for the first Meteor F.3s on 18 December 1944. These first 15 F.3s ..."
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
Just ask for your Nazi Moon-base already. :aok
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Hail Churchill and the English Reich! :rock
Oy, kid, your swastika's showing. :lol
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(http://www.acartoonchristmas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/grinch-chimney1.jpg)
HTC, give them their Meteor... and make it's nose drift up like the 190, or down like the 410, add it a few pounds so to be overweight like the 190, and of course make it fly backward better than forwards like the 152, etc etc etc!
Honesty is the best policy? :uhoh
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Arlo... 30 PILOTS, but only 4 planes to Belgium! moon-base meteor never saw combat! Was never over enemy lines... what were the planes on the ground that it destroyed? A pile of luft planes that the American's made with-in friendly lines? And I'm sure that no German anywhere, that wasn't a P.O.W., ever saw the Meteor before the end of the war! That's like pulling your car out of the garage to the drive-way and talking about "would like to race"... go to the track to race!
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Arlo... 30 PILOTS, but only 4 planes to Belgium! moon-base meteor never saw combat! Was never over enemy lines... what were the planes on the ground that it destroyed? A pile of luft planes that the American's made with-in friendly lines?
Stomp and cry harder. :D
You seemed to fail to notice that all I did was cite a source.
I'm not the wiggy type asking to store any ol plane that can
land on a CV for later use. Ah, look, a squad of 410s upping
from a CV. And I didn't demand the Meteor. :aok
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Yeah Arlo, you just insulted 50 million Americans:
From Wikipedia:
German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are citizens of the United States who were either born in Germany or are of German ancestry. They comprise about 50 million people,[1] making them the largest ancestry group ahead of Irish Americans, African Americans and English Americans.[4] They comprise about 1/3 of the German diaspora all over the world.[5][6][7]
HTC give them their Meteor...
I really do wonder what changes would come about to game's populations with REALLY GOOD PLANE Meteor's flying all over pwning everything in site.
I'm outa this thread... HAIL CHURCHILL and the ENGLISH REICH!
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Yeah Arlo, you just insulted 50 million americans:
From Wikipedia:
German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are citizens of the United States who were either born in Germany or are of German ancestry. They comprise about 50 million people,[1] making them the largest ancestry group ahead of Irish Americans, African Americans and English Americans.[4] They comprise about 1/3 of the German diaspora all over the world.[5][6][7]
Ah, the random awkward FVW German racial whiz-dance from outa nowhere.
What a lifelong disappointment it must be to you that the U.S. sided against the 3rd
Reich and, as a result, Hitler was defeated. And what that has to do with AHII is a
mystery to the rest of us. :aok
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I'm outa this thread... HAIL CHURCHILL and the ENGLISH REICH!
Mbye. :salute
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and make it's nose drift up like the 190, or down like the 410, add it a few pounds so to be overweight like the 190, and of course make it fly backward better than forwards like the 152, etc etc etc!
Plenty of us do just fine flying these aircraft. Learn to control your machine.
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Arlo:
About stashing planes on CVs... FINE JUST HAVE IT LIKE THIS: ANY CV FIRES AT ANYTHING LUFT!!!
Just take away the ability for ANY LUFT PLANE to re-arm on a CV... NEVER HAPPENED.
FINE, I REQUEST.
ReVo:
Yeah and the Meteor Pilots can learn to do the SAME THING... fly their crooked machines!
<Poof>
Adding LOL, GERMANY AND JAPAN WERE ALLIES, JAPAN had CV's... I wonder how what the hospitality of the Japan Admirals would be to having luft guests!
All you do Alro is try to 'win'... you don't seek truth... no point is conversation with you, not yet anyways. Your posting of a source was a good start!
so again, I say... win some more? :rofl
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Arlo:
About stashing planes on CVs... FINE JUST HAVE IT LIKE THIS: ANY CV FIRES AT ANYTHING LUFT!!!
Just take away the ability for ANY LUFT PLANE to re-arm on a CV... NEVER HAPPENED.
FINE, I REQUEST.
ReVo:
Yeah and the Meteor Pilots can learn to do the SAME THING... fly their crooked machines!
<Poof>
I hate long goodbyes. :lol
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(http://musingsonmatters.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/graham_chapman_stop_that_silly.jpg)
I would rather like one of them there Meteor's however.
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luft whiners get out of the meteor thread!
Luftwhiners, Allied whine mafia....don't exactly see the difference. :)
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Luftwhiners, Allied whine mafia....don't exactly see the difference. :)
CVs storing Luftwaffe planes and 'Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe'
and how many Americans had German ancestry at the start of WWII
appear to be the main differences. :D
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What did I say that was at all controversial? You claimed the Swordfish was the only plane flown by the Brits that could carry a torpedo and I provided a correction. I made literally no controversial claims. I did not insinuate anything pro-British in the slightest.
As to the Meteor, I voted for the Me410.
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HTC give them their Meteor...
I'm outa this thread... HAIL CHURCHILL and the ENGLISH REICH!
Thanks Mate I knew I could count on you to agree wholeheartedly on this matter :aok
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You have a problem with vulnerable machines being added? Or only a problem with vulnerable English planes being added?
Want to bet odds what gets attacked by a horde first? 410 or the Swordfish, or a 190A8 that seems to be overweight?
Of course, you despise and try to stomp any requests for a HEAVY LUFT bomber that could DEFEND itself from enemy fighters: the flagship luft bomber: He-177
Yeah, I forgot to mention you, Karnak! Ok, the goose-stepping Englishmen, the most opposite logic hypocrite when discussing plane modeling, in the game!
Hail Churchill and the English Reich! :rock
He's coming apart like a He 162!
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I like glue.
they do have support groups for that kind of abuse shida.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Gloster_Meteor_Mk_III_ExCC.jpg/800px-Gloster_Meteor_Mk_III_ExCC.jpg)
Yep, reviving this one. I say give her a go!
:aok
:airplane: A big Plus 1
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they do have support groups for that kind of abuse shida.
I did go to the support group, but F.V. Weener's anger management group was next door and we couldn't hear anything because of all the shouting.
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he isn't angry, just mis-guided.
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he isn't angry, just mis-guided.
He's shot three of his pet dogs since this thread started.
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I'm wepping like an htc ki-84! 1.5mins on, then only 75seconds of off, again and again, on and off all day! :cry hehehe
I hope our new Meteor can see forward/up like the 262 wishes it could.
I hope it doesn't get the giant buttet hit effect in the front window that pw's the pilot everytime like 262s.
Oh, and Arlo, you're winning again! :rofl
Bruv, I have no doubts at all that your score is going tripple, at least! :D
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not one to care for the score, I just want my BFF kazaa back playing as he promised he would if it gets added.
Double trouble!
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I didn't realize that it was in a previous vote back when... I remember now...
I am sure it will be here very soon, defect free I bet, seriously.
Cons way way below, barely a dot, might have enuf E to come all the way up to within firing range...and then able to accelerate to catch an any alt dweeb... what I noticed most in korean war arena in aw3. Alt won't mean safe anymore.
In this case, Meteors will be able to turn too, not just creek on G's as they wiz right by...
I get the idea of a 163 that has endurance...
New skies coming!
My 'gambler' instinct about HTC - I bet its here before...
Merry Christmas all! :old:
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I would say more like a Mossie on steroids, charts say it can turn inside a Tempest and I can get her to move quite nicely.
The 163 can turn like crazy it would never be that turnable just more so than say a 262 ;)
Perk it at 100 and lets go!
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Franz,
Your implication that the Ki-84's WEP is out of the ordinary for AH is flat out wrong. It has exactly the same ratio as the Bf109K-4, just the K-4's WEP lasts 10 minutes and takes 5 minutes to cool off. I could point out where AH's WEP is inconsistent, but that would prompt anti-British rants from you.
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the K-4's WEP lasts 10 minutes and takes 5 minutes to cool off.
As to my knowledge the K-4 has 10/10 minute cycle. The Ta 152H has 10/5 and I think the 190D and 410 too, but I'm not sure about that. :headscratch:
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Yeah but the ki-84, according to that ah-wiki chart says it only has 1.5mins worth, but in game, its recharge is half of that? Someone post it again pls! :ahand
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Yeah but the ki-84, according to that ah-wiki chart says it only has 1.5mins worth, but in game, its recharge is half of that? Someone post it again pls! :ahand
All aircraft in AH recharge WEP even if they couldn't in reality. The later German fighters used an additive as did the P-47s and when that was used up WEP was no longer available. In AH they can use WEP more often.
On the other hand the aircraft that didn't use an additive and just increased boost pressure such as Merlin, Griffon and Allison engined aircraft could use WEP until their fuel ran out or the engine failed. AH limits these to five minutes because that is what the pilots were supposed to limit themselves to, even if they didn't always obey that rule.
Doing a realistic WEP simulation would be very difficult so all games seem to just use a gameplay driven mechanism.
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This system is great for 1.5mins wep plane.
So our Meteor is going to fly arround friendly cities for a morale boost, pretending to have been part of the liberation force...ohkay!
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I would say more like a Mossie on steroids, charts say it can turn inside a Tempest and I can get her to move quite nicely.
The 163 can turn like crazy it would never be that turnable just more so than say a 262 ;)
Perk it at 100 and lets go!
What with the new version of AH coming in 2 weeks it makes sense to punt this thread so HT can authorise the making of it's first Allied jet plane! :banana:
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What with the new version of AH coming in 2 weeks it makes sense to punt this thread so HT can authorise the making of it's first Allied jet plane! :banana:
Ah yes, the Gloster-Whittle E 28/39.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/IWM-CH14832A_Gloster_E28-39_205210674.jpg)
;)
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God has killed yet another kitten.
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=a62ce201f2faf028473747cce6fd8415)
:rofl
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My 16k perkies are waiting to be used.
What is the max dive speed of the Meteor ?
Mk1 had compression problems, what about the MKIII ?
How vulnerable where they compared with the 262 ?
And give me the R4m's please, but not for the Meteor :devil
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(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/38848cc6f343c5c391e46465300c73286g.jpg)
BNZ this image you posted is obviously bogus, look at where the spit14 is. It's almost as bad as those wartime tactical trial reports that make the ridiculous claim that the spit14 with drop tanks and a full tank of gas has a smaller turning circle than a clean 109g6.
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Punt,
Now HTC has nothing to do and are sitting around their offices drinking whiskey and eating pizza all day how about a shiny new plane that would actually get used a little in the MA and be AWESOME!
Would definitley help the marketing push and sex appeal of the game!
Perk it in 60-100 amount more than a tempest but half a 262.
Make it so! :pray :airplane:
(https://static.thisdayinaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/tdia//2013/11/meteor-iii_128.jpg)
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with no negative replies in over a day I guess everyone else is in total agreement with the suggestion.
:rock
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On the contrary Bruv, I'd love to see it in the game also. 200 perkies though, just like the Luftwaffe Jet.
Homey :cheers:
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done!
Put it to the top of the new plane lists HT! :salute
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Top?
Maybe after a Tri-plane or seaplane patch. :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rUHyHq68ak0/SeX7CoT-NiI/AAAAAAAAkCc/gB5iNV-Digk/s1600/sm-79-10.jpg)
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-52/KGrzbV-9/images/Junkers-Ju-52-3m-4.KGrzbV9-(4V+CM)-Russia-1942-0A.jpg)
(http://www.combatreform.org/PBYcatalinatakingoffwithdepthchargesunderwings.jpg)
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk126/generalmelchett/Kawanishi_H8K_Flying_Boat_Emily_h8k.jpg)
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I'd love to see the Meteor in AH
only after every other combat plane is added first.
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(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/38848cc6f343c5c391e46465300c73286g.jpg)
BNZ this image you posted is obviously bogus, look at where the spit14 is. It's almost as bad as those wartime tactical trial reports that make the ridiculous claim that the spit14 with drop tanks and a full tank of gas has a smaller turning circle than a clean 109g6.
What is the original source of that diagram? Look at the inner ring.
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Spit XIV isnt a bad turner. its worse than the other spits but still better than most other late war rides. But you need to use the throttle since it doesnt bleed E fast enough otherwise. But hanging on the tail of a C.205 or similar plane is no problem at all, just reduce throttle.
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+1 on Meteor
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P 80s in Italy, U.S. Marines were flying the F7F,
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The meteor was the first jet fighter in the Israeli air force. Even scored a couple of air to air kills. It and the Beaufighter are the last WWII combat planes that also served in the IAF and are missing from the roster.
I want both!
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yes bozon lets be greedy and have BOTH!!! :rock :airplane:
I won't ever wish for anything else and be content!
I had a 262vs262 engagement the other day felt like ages since that happened. Still got an adrenaline buzz when I swooped in for the kill. I just want to do it with some roundels on it you know what I mean?? :devil
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P 80s in Italy, U.S. Marines were flying the F7F,
Not P-80s. YP-80s, there's a difference.
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Now that we are on steam I reckon this is the perfect opportunity to give all the newbies something exciting and whizzbang coolness.
Add the Meteor MKIII as a glitzy new fighter and have beautiful splash screens of it all chromed out sparkling in the sun glare! It would be awesome and not even a small whisper of hangar queen under ones breath shall be muttered!! :airplane:
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(https://www.scalemodellingnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/37-HN-Ac-Airfix-Gloster-Meteor-F.8-1.48.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/XP-80A_Gray_Ghost_af.jpg)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/229/907/large/serge-step-bi-1-001.jpg?1489494677)
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(https://i.imgur.com/FBgcI62.png)
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WHIZZBANG
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Yes thats the spirit Arlo we could market it as "the Aces High Jetpack" only $14.95 a month!
We will leave the bit about the hefty perk cost out until it's in the hangar. :aok
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So will Greebo do the all white skin as the default so we can tell it's not a 262 like the active F.3's were painted to keep allied AA crews from blasting them out of the air?
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Flew one today in wb2.77
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This and the Beau are the missing WWII planes in IAF service
(https://www.yellow.ml/imgw/450px/Meteor_IAF_1954.jpg)
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another reason for it to be added SOON!!! :airplane: