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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ShrkBite on January 25, 2009, 01:19:42 AM
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Hey guys
had this idea going when i saw the questionaire for WW1 in AH. i clicked absolutley not. Personally, i think its more likely, and would be way more fun then WW1, to have a Vietnam Era game. F-4s, P-51's, MiG's. iunno, to me it seems like a much better idea then WW1 arena. so vote now!! WW1....or Vietnam!?
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Missile fights at Mach 1? I'll pass.
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Um P-51s in Vietnam? :huh
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Early war Korea is more likely than Vietnam IMO.
However, considering the WWI saw the death of Chivalry in the air, that it would be much easier to balance gameplay on older, lower slower planes than on higher faster ones. I'm guessing that you won't see Vietnam sim online anytime soon.
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WW1 hands down
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is this even a serious question? :huh
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WW1 or Korea. Ill pass on Nom :aok
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Neither. This World War Two sim is not finished yet....
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I'd rather HTC focus completely on the great WWII sim they have going than anything else, but...
I wouldn't mind a WWI version, I'd probably enjoy it occasionally when I got bored;
I'd rather not see a Korean War version, jet vs. jet just really isn't my thing;
Vietnam, with air to air missiles and all of that crap? No way!
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I'd rather HTC focus completely on the great WWII sim they have going than anything else, but...
I wouldn't mind a WWI version, I'd probably enjoy it occasionally when I got bored;
I'd rather not see a Korean War version, jet vs. jet just really isn't my thing;
Vietnam, with air to air missiles and all of that crap? No way!
Rear quarter missile fights are more interesting than you'd think, really interesting when its a RQ missile equipped combatant vrs. a guns only combatant....
Anyway though, I agree that WWI is vastly more practical for HTC to have a go at. We're already a prop-driven guns combat sim, so they wouldn't really have to add or change anything, just add the planes. And WWI seems under served to me while the jet world is not.
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Hey guys and girls!
I had this idea when i saw the questionnaire for WW1 in AH. i clicked absolutely not. Personally, i think its more likely, and would be way more exciting then WW1, to have a Korea era game. Mig-15's, Sabers, etc., to me it seems like a much better idea then WW1 arena. Post your opinions on whether it should be WW1....or Korea.
It has been edited! :aok
-FYB
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It's been edited! :aok
-FYB
Looks kinda stupid when you mess up.
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If I had a choice, I'd choose Vietnam only for the choppers. But, since HTC is offering, I will say WWI.
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Looks kinda stupid when you mess up.
Too bad "been" doesn't belong to "it", or else you would be right.
*double post, whoops!
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It looks kinda stupid when you mess up.
To have a proper sentence, you must have a subject.
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Too bad "been" doesn't belong to "it", or else you would be right.
*double post, whoops!
He's contracting 'it' and 'has', not 'it' and 'is'.
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He's contracting 'it' and 'has', not 'it' and 'is'.
Right. I seem to forget that a lot.
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He's contracting 'it' and 'has', not 'it' and 'is'.
Eskimo is right. It should be Its, not It's.
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'Its' is possessive.
'It's' is a contraction.
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'Its' is possessive.
'It's' is a contraction.
I think its the other way around.
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It's not.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/its (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/its)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/it%27s (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/it%27s)
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To have a proper sentence, you must have a subject.
:D
Fair enough, was just proving a point though. I on the other hand don't usually go around correcting peoples English unless it's completely atrocious.
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AW had Korea with jets, p51s etc. It was empty most of the time. I flew it several times and it was a blast but the arena seldom had over 10 people in it at a time. I don't think there has been a successful Vietnam era flyer nor has there been a successful mass online jet game. Several have been on but they haven't lasted.
As far as WW1. If its done well the people will play it. I like WW1 so I would probably play it a lot. I left AH before to go to WB just for the WW1 game. But after awhile I left because there really were only a couple of decent planes in their plane set. The only planes that flew decent was the Fokker Dr1 and the Camel. The Fokker D7 was a dog there and it was supposed to be one of the best planes of WW1. Apparently using the same WW2 engine didn't cross over too well. It was fun but extremely limited. Now if AH builds a comprehensive game with flyable zepps, bombers, and maybe even some WW1 tanks it might be interesting. WW1 (and most other eras) depends on the game play though, to much reality and it bogs down, too little and its an arcade game.
For me the deciding factor irregardless of the era would be how good the game play is.
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AW had Korea with jets, p51s etc. It was empty most of the time. I flew it several times and it was a blast but the arena seldom had over 10 people in it at a time. I don't think there has been a successful Vietnam era flyer nor has there been a successful mass online jet game. Several have been on but they haven't lasted.
As far as WW1. If its done well the people will play it. I like WW1 so I would probably play it a lot. I left AH before to go to WB just for the WW1 game. But after awhile I left because there really were only a couple of decent planes in their plane set. The only planes that flew decent was the Fokker Dr1 and the Camel. The Fokker D7 was a dog there and it was supposed to be one of the best planes of WW1. Apparently using the same WW2 engine didn't cross over too well. It was fun but extremely limited. Now if AH builds a comprehensive game with flyable zepps, bombers, and maybe even some WW1 tanks it might be interesting. WW1 (and most other eras) depends on the game play though, to much reality and it bogs down, too little and its an arcade game.
For me the deciding factor irregardless of the era would be how good the game play is.
Second this one. :aok
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WW1 > Korea
Korea> Vietnam
Vietnam > Modern Combat
WWII > Everything, but WWI (which it ties)
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My opinons.
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WW1 > Korea
Korea> Vietnam
Vietnam > Modern Combat
WWII > Everything, but WWI (which it ties)
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My opinons.
I concur.
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korea, no missles.
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AW had Korea with jets, p51s etc. It was empty most of the time. I flew it several times and it was a blast but the arena seldom had over 10 people in it at a time. I don't think there has been a successful Vietnam era flyer nor has there been a successful mass online jet game. Several have been on but they haven't lasted.
Thats quite true, the most ive ever seen for a Jet game of any jet era had about 60 people and it was shutdown 5 years ago i think. What was the name? Not a popular game, thats for sure.
Anyway, Korea was still mostly dog fighting but at high speeds past 500mph, and AH has like 1500 players at most, it could work. But if HTC is thinking about WWI then they probably have already planned a small structure or rough draft of a beginning for it. Im all in for Korea or WWI!
-FYB
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Neither. This World War Two sim is not finished yet....
What Xasthur said, but at the end of the day I would rather fly jet powered killing machine then a lawn mower with wings. :O
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If I had to choose I vote for wwI .viet nam had very little as far as gun package besides the crusaders and the sidewinders had a lot of problems as most went wild and would not lock on.WWI seems to be a better choice as far as air combat-Korea would be a good choice as far as being able to add tanks and other things to use the same kind of tatical play.Plus the air play would be able to satisfy alot more people with jets and prop driven planes
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Okay, how would this work? Would they
- A) Make an entirely new game
- B) Make another arena
- C) Make another arena and do away with EW. MW and merge the split LW arenas
My vote is for C, oh,..... and WWI hands down!
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I have no interest in either. Not Vietnam and especially not WW-1. The Sopwith Camel went about 115 mph tops and climbed at a rate of 1,085 fps. It had two 7.7mm MGs. I dont think many are going to jump from a Tempest into a biplane with a lawn mower engine and keep coming back for more. They may say they will now but I doubt very many actually will. There are never any crowds in the EWA now as it is.
A B-24 bomber climbs as well as a Sopwith Camel. And it was one of the better climbers in the war. I just dont see the fun in spending 30 mins just climbing and flying a sector looking for a fight in a fighter.
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Well Rich the scale needs to be different for WWI combat.
Almost all action was close to where the planes were located. Front tended to be static, and allowed for buildup of guns, airodromes for planes, etc.
Shouldn't ever have to fly more than 5 - 10 miles in a WWI sim, and at 100 mph your looking at no more flight time to find a fight than we have now.
Also WWI saw the last of Aerial Chivalry, it was more about personal honor and code of conduct than winning at all costs.
This would not be a bad thing to bring back to this community. Also, the balance of who had the advantage shifted several times in the "Great war". So choosing the time, and the planes involved lets you do a better job of balancing gameplay.
Fights are slower, lower, armament is weaker, planes are capable of less. All of which puts more emphasis on pilot skill and situation, and less on plane advantage. All this is good stuff for those interested.
If your not interested, thats fine, many won't be.
On the other hand. The basic coad for AH will work the same be it WWI or WWII planes which are enabled.
Terrain is terrain, WWI is actually simplier, because you don't have as much stuff to worry about. There are no 20mm guns.
Don't think either side fielded a .50 mg in any numbers. You have artillery with fuzed shells for AA, and planes. Thats pretty much it. Bases can and should be close together, separated by a static no mans land. So in theory, a couple of AH employee's could come in weekends and work on this project and give us another arena, another choice. Planes compared to AH are dead simple. (and I suspect they already have 2 or 3 of them built)
After all if HT can coad the Rv-8, whats so hard about a Spad or Fokker?
Also I'm giving HT credit, for having done all this once before.
Knowing where the pitfalls lay, and trust that he'll steer us around them.
Instead of 2 separate sims with different software, owned by one company, 1 Front End capable of running either WWI or WWII depending on which arena you join.
Its not DOA, it shouldn't adversely effect AH, so I don't see why not give it a shot.
And if down the road, if they can do the same thing for Korea? (especially if they keep it early in the campaign, no missles)
More variety, something different to do when you burn out on the late war scene, keep it interesting, appeals to a wider audience. Means that life is good for HTC and Aces High and will stay that way.
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WW1 was whre the dogfight was invented and i miss all the good ww1 sims so Bring on the camels and triplanes cuz i wanna Dogfight with style oh and AvA ww1 arena would be AWESOME
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I agree why would they even consider doing a ww1, when the ww2 sim is not compleate. Missing ALOT of planes, graphics need to be updated..... But yes I would like to have a ww1 flying game to play.
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I just dont see the fun in spending 30 mins just climbing and flying a sector looking for a fight in a fighter.
A specious objection. Common sense tells us that the bases in a WWI arena would be placed closer together than they are in the WWII, in deference to the low speed of the craft.
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I would love to see WWI arena opened-great fights over no man land-but I feel korea would satisfy more people-you have plenty of gv action,prop and jet fighters-just overal more things to satisfy eveyone
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Love WW1 love red baron 3d! Love the fact that the fights are longer due too the mg armament. Also looks like it would be
purely plane too plane stuff I can't really see any other scope for any other form of combat (maybe pilots with .45s running around no mans land shooting each other :D) I know from my trawls around the web for RB3D that there was quite a strong and dedicated ww1 community
who even went too the lengths of modifying the likes of RB to update graphics although I think from what I've read there was only so much that could be done with the game and people left.
This could be a huge tard filter :D
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huey and cobras
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there still will be no honor
people will gangbang in camels instead of Spitfires
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"Common sense" would lead one to assume if we have such a problem getting new maps in a game with thousands involved what are the odds of getting them with only a few involved?
A specious objection. Common sense tells us that the bases in a WWI arena would be placed closer together than they are in the WWII, in deference to the low speed of the craft.
"Common sense" would also dictate that, if the past is any guage of the future, that 9 out of 10 who say they will fly in a WW-l arena actually wont! Doubt me? Then look at EWA participation. Thats also a competative arena with less performing aircraft, no different then a WW-l one would be, and its mostly a ghost town compared to the LWA's.
I dont mean to rain on anyones parade here Ghost I just dont think WW-l would go off that well with the majority of the hoarders in this game. While there are some purists 95% of these guys wouldn't leave their LAs and Spit-16s no-how and no-way. Myself? If I wanted to float along in a WW-l fighter I'd have bought a game for them. My interests lie in the era that saw the ultimate gun fighters and for that same reason I have no interest in launching sidewinders from Jets.
This is just my opinion. I think a WW-l arena would waste resources needed already to upgrade and improve their current sim.
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would love to see wwI but feel not enough to hold interest-korea offers more variety to offer something for everyone
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"Common sense" would lead one to assume if we have such a problem getting new maps in a game with thousands involved what are the odds of getting them with only a few involved?
I see plenty of custom made maps for FSO. If they ever add WWI airplanes, at least one custom map will show up rather quickly. If map of the Western Front with bases relatively close together across "No Man's Land" ever gets made, that will be enough. No, the idea that we will be stuck using maps designed for the current MAs is farcical.
"Common sense" would also dictate that, if the past is any guage of the future, that 9 out of 10 who say they will fly in a WW-l arena actually wont! Doubt me? Then look at EWA participation. Thats also a competative arena with less performing aircraft, no different then a WW-l one would be, and its mostly a ghost town compared to the LWA's.
The EWA is not qualitatively different from the LWA, and you can fly EWA successfully in the latter. The problem with the EWA combat is that it is identical to the LWA with less variety. Well, as far as variety goes, EWA mostly HurriIIc on HurrIIc violence.
Since there is nothing to stop you from flying a Hurri MkI in the LWA, why not do it there? Engaging in SpitV vs. SpitV is not sufficiently different from engaging SpitXVI vs. SpitXVI to be a draw, engaging a Zero with a P-40 is not a different enough proposition from engaging a N1K with a P-51 to make any difference.
WWI air combat, with an ample plane set, each modeled with their quirks, WILL be qualitatively different. As I mentioned in a different post, and what people are failing to understand, is that the slowness of the planes coupled with their relatively miniscule wing-loading and short-range firepower makes the combat closer, more visceral, in that way it has a "faster" feel.
This is just my opinion. I think a WW-l arena would waste resources needed already to upgrade and improve their current sim.
The current sim is far from terminally ill, and if anything, HTC probably has a better chance of attracting new customers by adding WWI combat.
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I vote niether, i think its awesome enough as WW2 aircraft. And come on, P47 versus MiG-21? Or N1K versus Sopwith Camel? I really hope it stays WORLD WAR 2 aircraft.
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I dont mean to rain on anyones parade here Ghost I just dont think WW-l would go off that well with the majority of the hoarders in this game. While there are some purists 95% of these guys wouldn't leave their LAs and Spit-16s no-how and no-way.
I agree, but maybe thats the whole point ot it?
"Common sense" would also dictate that, if the past is any guage of the future, that 9 out of 10 who say they will fly in a WW-l arena actually wont! Doubt me? Then look at EWA participation. Thats also a competitive arena with less performing aircraft, no different then a WW-l one would be, and its mostly a ghost town compared to the LWA's.
EWA planeset and WW1 fighters fly completely differently its not even close. I presuming from your post you've never flew a WW1 sim 'or you'd have went out and bought one' so making comparisons of 2 completely different things can only be described as guesswork at very best and guessing is certainly not an example of 'common sense'.
As for devoting resources too the current game what can really be upgraded except graphics? You could put every plane that ever flew in WW2 in the planeset it still wouldn't change the way people play in the MA they are in the majority but the minority pay too play as well and should have the option of a different style of play.
I know this is only your opinion but from what I've read on these boards a lot of people seem too think they will be forced too play WW1????
Also WWI saw the last of Aerial Chivalry, it was more about personal honor and code of conduct than winning at all costs.
This would not be a bad thing to bring back to this community. Also, the balance of who had the advantage shifted several times in the "Great war". So choosing the time, and the planes involved lets you do a better job of balancing gameplay.
Fights are slower, lower, armament is weaker, planes are capable of less. All of which puts more emphasis on pilot skill and situation, and less on plane advantage. All this is good stuff for those interested.
:rock :salute
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WWI sim? Hell yes!!!
It would have some of the most classic matchups in air combat history..
Eindecker vs DH2,
Albatross vs Neuport11,
Camel vs DR1,
FokkerD7 vs SE5a or SPAD13,
It would be a "flyers arena" for sure!!!
Feather touch controls, (Have hiccup on takeoff, you crash and burn)...
No armor, (except for a woven wicker seat)..
1 rifle caliber MG, (2 if you are lucky)..
No throttle, (Mag advance, and ON/OFF only)..
NO PARACHUTES!!!! (they existed, but were considered cowardly)...
Not enough speed to really escape, so when committed to a fight, its win or die!!!
Yep, a FLYERS arena!!!
Jets? Ugh!!! Missiles? Well, I guess some ppl need em, cuz they just can't shoot, huh :lol!!!
But many of the posters are right, THIS game still needs work.. Another sim would distract...
AH has vastly improved over the years, but it still needs new evolutions and tactical situations..
This game is the best in the biz.. But the same old mission profiles and objectives are gettin pretty stale..
Thats why I don't play as often as I used to..
:saluteRC