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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: moot on February 13, 2009, 08:09:30 PM
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This thread is an honest attempt at answering any questions about what you see in these two films, so as to show there's nothing special going on that could warrant suspecting something fishy, and dispel some myths.. The text is removed because the P51 stick breaks rule #7 on channel 200.
Fight #1 (http://rapidshare.com/files/197828325/Vne1_1.ahf)
Fight #2 (http://rapidshare.com/files/197828540/Vne1_2a.ahf)
To put it bluntly? The P51 stick's biggest problem is he is too slow on the acm and does not spend his E efficiently. I had plenty of time to see what was coming and set course for each counter evasive and shot. In the first film he is well below effective maneuvering speeds and I can string a couple of expensive moves one after the other without risking much. Second film is different acm but the same sluggish reflexes on his part.
Now, if anyone has questions, I'd be glad to specificaly adress anything surprising about my flying. It should become obvious to everyone that 1) I didn't even need to do anything special to win these fights, and 2) sour grapes over the better players winning is no excuse, and there are no excuses for, spoiling the best the game can offer (top tier air combat) with obscurantist myths.
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I do my little turn on the catwalk. yeah on the catwalk! :P
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Moot...
Is there a point to posting the films? I watched the first and could only say that the 51 driver is in dire need of a few clues. The only "fishy" thing I saw was that you were nearly twice as fast as he was and he allowed himself to be roped.
I didn't bother to D/L the 2nd (the 30 second count down before beginning the download was simply too annoying :)).
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This guy accuses me of cheating, repeatedly. Another guy has been doing it chronicaly each time he sees me in the MA. And apparently the guy in the film is in a squad who also nourishes these accusations. These accusations are ridiculously bogus and yet they get to survive in hearsay which really spoils it for me and probably gets yet more people on the rumor bandwagon (guy #1's squad apparently are convinced my squad cheats). Instead of seeing things for what they really are, just plain simple acm.
I could smack talk the guy into silence or report them (and they deserve it, these two guys I'm talking about are in "respected" squads that have been around in AH for a long while) but that's beside the point... This is the best answer I have for all the problems it brings up (I'm not cheating, I get the last word, and it kills the cheating rumor in plain sight of everyone with a little pedagogy on top). Chlorine in the pool.
Hope I didn't break any rules.. <S>
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Moot:
Problem may be that people do not realize the Ta-152 is not a Fw-190. Holds energy alot better through turns.
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I came into the Arena reading the accusations on 200 and I was floored at who was doing it. Now watching the film, I'm wondering where the "1.5k" shot comes into play? 2nd film shows he fired in the HO, missed, and got too slow OTD.
I'm still floored I witnessed this. But, this was done in good taste, considering what had transpired.
Good flying Matt! :rock
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(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/15251D.png)
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Take it as a compliment if someone accuses you of cheating. :aok
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Explain to them that they are just jealous they don't have your aim-bot.
:noid :lol
Don't fight it, embrace it. Feed the conspiracy.
:aok
wrongway
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This guy accuses me of cheating, repeatedly.
No problem, bud. You just didn't state that and I saw nothing in the first film to tell me that accusations of cheating were the reason for the post.
As for cheating on your part...if harvesting dweebs is cheating......you stand convicted. :devil
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I'm trying to convince Moot to release the entire film, hopefully he will.
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Show me someone that accuses of the C word that has a good understanding of the planes in AH and acm. Some one prove me wrong please!!!
<S>
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Maybe if the p51 knew what he was doing he wouldn't have to call you a cheater.
the only thing i saw that was "to good" was your aim i wish i had that kind of a shot when i played.
:salute
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Sonic23 long time no see were u been....
<S>
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Moot:
Problem may be that people do not realize the Ta-152 is not a Fw-190. Holds energy alot better through turns.
Yep. Higher aspect ratio equals lower induced drag. I believe the 152 has the highest aspect ratio of all fighter in AH.
This guy accuses me of cheating, repeatedly. Another guy has been doing it chronicaly each time he sees me in the MA. And apparently the guy in the film is in a squad who also nourishes these accusations. These accusations are ridiculously bogus and yet they get to survive in hearsay which really spoils it for me and probably gets yet more people on the rumor bandwagon (guy #1's squad apparently are convinced my squad cheats). Instead of seeing things for what they really are, just plain simple acm.
Lol. I always just take it as a complement, scoff at them a bit and move on. I mostly see the accusations when I'm flying under a different name :)
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Some people are just sore losers.
You pwned me twice tonight and both times I saw the setup after it unfolded. Served me right.
Now stop cheating, dammit.
But seriously, Silat wants his money back. (How's that for a new rumour?)
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I didnt download the film, is there a purpose? Almost everyone knows moot is good. If someone accuses someone "good" of cheating, it's usually a laughable matter. Is this any different? Not really worth a download, or a thread, in my opinion.
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It's not about me being good or not. It's another example of (if I may put it that way) the art of acm being ignored and appreciated as "cheating". The title is tongue in cheek.
When I came into the MAs and got an eye for acm, saw players like Fester clean up a furball on his own in a P38, or hblair pull off crazy moves and tatering things left and right, I didn't get irritated and threw the js at the screen screaming cheat.. My jaw dropped and I thought "but if he can do that, so can I".
I think it's a real shame this would get spoilt with some crappy obscurantist rumors. My 2c.
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New word of the month:
Obscurantist
:rock
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:lol that was funny, thanks for the entertainment moot...
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FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Z MAN?
omg you are alive? is this a dream?
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Moot in the 152 is like Michaelangelo and paint, Beethoven and the piano, DaVinci and inventing. A Master.
To accuse him of cheating is ridiculous.
Just let it be like water off a ducks back sir :salute
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Moot you are a cheater.... you took the time to learn your aircraft and learned to maneuver it. Heaven forbid your ummm victim having to do the same to be as effective.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
oh... and I forgot :rofl
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Seen him do that too many times. I've seen Blu do that many times, and I've been stuck in a few of Blu's crazy stall manuvers that she comes out to be right on your tail with a snapshot.
I've fought Dutchie many times in his 109 and come out of stall turns like nothing. I know most of you guys have been doing this a wile, and I have learned from a lot of you guys just by either in a fight, or watching films. This is why I have gotten so much better in the year and a half that I have been doing this.
<S> you guys.
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I've seen Blu do that many times, and I've been stuck in a few of Blu's crazy stall manuvers that she comes out to be right on your tail with a snapshot.
I'm embarrassed to tell you how many F4U's she shot down with an A6M5 in a recent FSO frame. :o
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I'm embarrassed to tell you how many F4U's she shot down with an A6M5 in a recent FSO frame. :o
:rofl "she" :rofl
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My biggest problem in the 152 is not flat stalling at the top of a rope. This vid was pretty helpful, thanks m00t. The pony looked like he had some idea of what he was doing, It's just pretty obvious he didn't know what the 152 is capable of. It was really stupid of him to go up after you, especially after turning into you after the first initial merge, where he had lost alot of airspeed (talking about the 1st video, didn't D/L the second) Either way he was dead in my opinion. Since he went up; he got roped, and had he tried to extend, you would have just ended up with an alt advantage, and we all know you don't miss very often :)
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This guy accuses me of cheating, repeatedly. Another guy has been doing it chronicaly each time he sees me in the MA. And apparently the guy in the film is in a squad who also nourishes these accusations. These accusations are ridiculously bogus and yet they get to survive in hearsay which really spoils it for me and probably gets yet more people on the rumor bandwagon (guy #1's squad apparently are convinced my squad cheats). Instead of seeing things for what they really are, just plain simple acm.
I could smack talk the guy into silence or report them (and they deserve it, these two guys I'm talking about are in "respected" squads that have been around in AH for a long while) but that's beside the point... This is the best answer I have for all the problems it brings up (I'm not cheating, I get the last word, and it kills the cheating rumor in plain sight of everyone with a little pedagogy on top). Chlorine in the pool.
Hope I didn't break any rules.. <S>
As a member of the 412th I feel I have to respond, although I probably shouldn't. I'm in no way a spokesman for my squad, but I can assure you the 412th does not nourish cheating accusations of any kind. We are a group of competitive guys and we have our bad days like everyone else. And sometimes we may do or say things we regret in the heat of the moment. I certainly do, especially if I've been drinking :lol. I do think that this should have not been put on 200 or the BBS. This kind of talk does nothing positive for the game or the relationship between our two squads. :salute
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but I can assure you the 412th does not nourish cheating accusations of any kind.
You may want to have a talk with Gaboon then
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Yes I seen your post from yesterday and it was locked before I could respond. Gaboon is a new member and I don't agree with what he did either. I'm of the mindset that regardless of what people think about this kind of thing, it should be recorded and sent to HTC for them to handle. I'll talk to SkatSr and Tango today and see if we can get this back under control. I do not want the 412th tarnished by this stuff. The Braunco Mustangs have a code of conduct and sometimes we need to go back and review it from time to time. :salute
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Yes I seen your post from yesterday and it was locked before I could respond. Gaboon is a new member and I don't agree with what he did either. I'm of the mindset that regardless of what people think about this kind of thing, it should be recorded and sent to HTC for them to handle. I'll talk to SkatSr and Tango today and see if we can get this back under control. I do not want the 412th tarnished by this stuff. The Braunco Mustangs have a code of conduct and sometimes we need to go back and review it from time to time. :salute
I didn't send it to htc because I didn't think it needed to be handled that way.
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I'm not questioning your motives. That's not my place. I never got to see the screen shots. I'm assuming it was PMs. If that is the case then that is unacceptable. I'm just a lowly grunt in the 412th, but i'll do my best to see that this is addressed in a adult manner. :salute
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even though the pony was lacking speed ther was a few openings the pony could have turned the tables imho
but then again i,m not familier with how they handle either. regardless, to say that moot cheated is lame.he just out flew the victim :aok
M00t and i recently had a friendly A20 v 152 duel and it came out 2 to 1 out of 3 rounds in my favor. and in my opinion he is an exallent stick and knows the ta very well. :salute
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This guy accuses me of cheating, repeatedly. Another guy has been doing it chronicaly each time he sees me in the MA. And apparently the guy in the film is in a squad who also nourishes these accusations. These accusations are ridiculously bogus and yet they get to survive in hearsay which really spoils it for me and probably gets yet more people on the rumor bandwagon (guy #1's squad apparently are convinced my squad cheats). Instead of seeing things for what they really are, just plain simple acm.
I could smack talk the guy into silence or report them (and they deserve it, these two guys I'm talking about are in "respected" squads that have been around in AH for a long while) but that's beside the point... This is the best answer I have for all the problems it brings up (I'm not cheating, I get the last word, and it kills the cheating rumor in plain sight of everyone with a little pedagogy on top). Chlorine in the pool.
Hope I didn't break any rules.. <S>
Names please!
I don't think your squad cheats! Now it does hang on the edge of bases cherrying all that emerge from the ack, it does B&Z, GANG, PICK, HORDE, HO, and VULCH and when you guys get slow you still kill most everything around and then finally a " B&ZingGANGTWITVULCHINHOPIKTARD" gets you! it is " all in a day of cartoon egos" :aok
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Moot, I think you are an artist with that 152 :) <salute>
Uptown... As a member of the 412th I agree totally with you. although I do not know the whole story. IMHO anything that would be considered bad form should be addressed by squadron command before it went to HTC . (if given the chance as Moot has for this particular person.)
This pilot should be required to explain his actions and apologize to anyone he has offended.
With the understanding that if this behaviour ever happened he would be reported to HTC and find himself removed from the squad.
I think the pilot in question is darn lucky that Moot didnt report to HTC. Perhaps out of respect for the squadron the pilot represents, knowing that this kind of thing would be delt within the squadron.
which it should.
We all represent our squadrons and we should take into consideration how our actions would be viewed by our squadmates. this is a clear violation of our code of conduct and should be take seriously I for one consider the 412th a group that flys with honor. The 412th is a very structured group with a strict code of conduct. I am sure this will be addressed.
We all have bad nights but we shouldn't take it out on others.
from above post:
("I don't think your squad cheats! Now it does hang on the edge of bases cherrying all that emerge from the ack, it does B&Z, GANG, PICK, HORDE, HO, and VULCH and when you guys get slow you still kill most everything around and then finally a " B&ZingGANGTWITVULCHINHOPIKTARD" gets you! it is " all in a day of cartoon egos" )
LOL !!!!
Rabbit 412th
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Names please!
I don't think your squad cheats! Now it does hang on the edge of bases cherrying all that emerge from the ack, it does B&Z, GANG, PICK, HORDE, HO, and VULCH and when you guys get slow you still kill most everything around and then finally a " B&ZingGANGTWITVULCHINHOPIKTARD" gets you! it is " all in a day of cartoon egos"
Why? So you can sing and dance, while contributing nothing? The only one with an ego in this whole thread so far, is you. Let the Squads involved handle it, better yet, I'm sure M00t will discuss it with who was involved.
Pathetic that folks like you just want to rubberneck the carnage for entertainment, instead of helping.
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Why? So you can sing and dance, while contributing nothing? The only one with an ego in this whole thread so far, is you. Let the Squads involved handle it, better yet, I'm sure M00t will discuss it with who was involved.
Pathetic that folks like you just want to rubberneck the carnage for entertainment, instead of helping.
WOW ! I believe midol is sold over the counter! :rolleyes:
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WOW ! I believe midol is sold over the counter! :rolleyes:
Far from it. Good deflection attempt though. You want names, if you watched the films, you'd KNOW who was involved. But, since you're missing a few brain cells, you thought you'd be lazy and hope someone would "feed you the names."
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Far from it. Good deflection attempt though. You want names, if you watched the films, you'd KNOW who was involved. But, since you're missing a few brain cells, you thought you'd be lazy and hope someone would "feed you the names."
Mmmm! Rock that hate :aok
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<----afk.....have to go take a Shreck :D
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<----afk.....have to go take a Shreck :D
hehe, please wipe your uptown :aok :D :uhoh
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m00t that guy never had corner speed in either film and his nose high attempt to follow you (film1) was a mistake. Not a good example of 'too good' I think.
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m00t that guy never had corner speed in either film and his nose high attempt to follow you (film1) was a mistake. Not a good example of 'too good' I think.
That's his point.
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Never mind shreck. He comes off like Warlockl but in reality is getting closer to Adonai. I wonder if he's applying to Annapolis anytime soon...
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:lol
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I'm not questioning your motives. That's not my place. I never got to see the screen shots. I'm assuming it was PMs. If that is the case then that is unacceptable. I'm just a lowly grunt in the 412th, but i'll do my best to see that this is addressed in a adult manner. :salute
Well, your squad has a lot of new blood. it seems. Guys like Gaboon want to excel, in their own way. For Gaboon, excelling is getting kills and surviving to land them. There's nothing wrong with this but this approach has limited his use of his chosen aircraft(P51D).
He seems adept flying fast and killing occupied bad guys but relying soley on this has limited the development of other skills. I have "fought" him before and speak with experience. He is unwilling to engage unless he has a clear advantage and even that is to simply make passes, there is no effort at ACM or energy management. I completely understand his desire to survive the fight but he shouldn't let this preclude him from learning other offensive tactis as well: E fighting, ACM, out thinking the bad guy, ... etc.
Once defensive, he doesn't have many tricks up his sleeve beyond flat out running. Other new members of your squad are similar.
There's nothing wrong with teamwork or the wolfack mentality. Squadmate cooperation can be fun, but my opinion is that this mentality is stunting the development of your members as far as individual pilot skills go. I know your veteran members to be fine pilots but I also know them to have limited time on their hands to play and to train new members. Your less accomplished guys should "get their hands dirty" in the MA or spend some time in the TA with some of the very excellent trainers there. You may very well have a group guys who could be lethal killers. YMMV.
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That's his point.
I was reinforcing it. :D
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Never mind shreck. He comes off like Warlockl but in reality is getting closer to Adonai. I wonder if he's applying to Annapolis anytime soon...
:lol :aok
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There's nothing wrong with teamwork or the wolfack mentality. Squadmate cooperation can be fun, but my opinion is that this mentality is stunting the development of your members as far as individual pilot skills go. I know your veteran members to be fine pilots but I also know them to have limited time on their hands to play and to train new members. Your less accomplished guys should "get their hands dirty" in the MA or spend some time in the TA with some of the very excellent trainers there. You may very well have a group guys who could be lethal killers. YMMV.
I agree with you Steve. As an old /new member I have spent quite a lot of time in the TA to shake the rust.
there are times when I bug too soon. I tend to get defensive and run out of options too soon. If anything I am a bit too aggressive at times and it gets me shot down often. I try to stay in the fight and see my attack through.
I am from the old school that 1000 deaths will be your best teacher in AH. also if you are willing to ask questions and review your films. People do not have to wait for a trainer in the TA. most times I have found that anytime I ask there is someone that is willing to work with you.
A very skilled pilot in the training arena can sometimes overwhelm a newer pilot. sometimes just a couple of dweebs working on a few things at a slower pace will work better in some situations.
I have several squaddies that are willing to go over to the TA and help work things out. I am always willing to do the same for anyone that asks. the more information I gather will eventually work to my advantage. With all things learned I will become a better pilot.
As far as my plane of choice it has a lot of hidden potential that alot of 51 drivers leave on the table. I still think it is a pretty watered down from the 51 that I recall. But, there are some subtle things that are often over looked that make it a very effective killer.
one can not fly the 51 one dimensional. ie, climb to 20k find a target zoom in all the way to the deck and extend 5 miles then come back for the same thing. you know this as well as I know this . you are one of the best sticks in the game and those skills do not happen over night. that stuff is hard earned. LOL I am finding it harder earned this time around. Flying like mentioned above you end up just cleaning up the scraps if that. you have to get your hands dirty and take some calculated risks.
I am more interested in flying with a skilled wingman because just watching a good pilot one of the best lessons in it's self.
If you would ever like to let me tag along on a few sorties as a wingie I would be honored.
:salute
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Thank you. <S> And no, I'm not offended (no need to apologize), I just think it's a shame and this thread kills a couple of birds with one stone. One being putting some people in respected squads back in their place.
p.s. I think this is pretty accurate :P
"I don't think your squad cheats! Now it does hang on the edge of bases cherrying all that emerge from the ack, it does B&Z, GANG, PICK, HORDE, HO, and VULCH and when you guys get slow you still kill most everything around and then finally a " B&ZingGANGTWITVULCHINHOPIKTARD" gets you! it is " all in a day of cartoon egos"
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Far from it. Good deflection attempt though. You want names, if you watched the films, you'd KNOW who was involved. But, since you're missing a few brain cells, you thought you'd be lazy and hope someone would "feed you the names."
If you read shreck's post again you'll realize that he is pretty much describing how he flies to a "T".
ack-ack
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If you read shreck's post again you'll realize that he is pretty much describing how he flies to a "T".
ack-ack
He wanted names.
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If you read shreck's post again you'll realize that he is pretty much describing how he flies to a "T".
ack-ack
He's not much different in the DA :lol
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Never mind shreck. He comes off like Warlockl but in reality is getting closer to Adonai. I wonder if he's applying to Annapolis anytime soon...
hah! :rofl