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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on February 14, 2009, 09:52:55 AM
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The silence is deafening! Usually there's one or two threads started immediately after an event commenting about one thing or another.
We were part of the massive N1K strikes on 108. Unfortunately we (I) made the decision to go rearm in case not all the targets at 107 or the vbase were destroyed, and partly in hopes of intercepting any VVS returning from their own strikes, but saw very little action the whole night.
My guess is that La-7s will be added for frame 2? I'm not sure how much it will help to even things out. Like the late-war allied vs Germany setups, the side whose fighters can pack more ordinance has a big advantage. In this case, the 3 major Japanese fighters (N1K, Ki-84, Ki-61) can all take 500kg of bombs, and have a large combat radius. The Russian fighters, on the other hand, carry little or no ordinance and have a limited combat radius.
All in all, the map has to be the biggest enemy of the VVS in our matchup, but I'm interested to see what happens in frame 2. :salute
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JG11 saw extensive action near A106 and A109 after going north from TAC drivers, we ran into numerous La5s which we destroyed but got bounced low engaging some la5s from another squadron of La5s which had just lifted from their second life ( they were in gv's their first life. ) We fought bravely and took quite alot of them down but i ended up punching out of my burning niki to safely be captured. Was a intense night and being apart of the experience made it well worth it. :salute
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A slow start but it picked up.
You should have stuck around G.
After the strike on 108, JG11 proceeded north to 107 to assist JG54 in the attack there, as the defense was much stiffer than at 108. After helping to clear 107, JG11 turned south toward a reported hot location. Unfortunatly we were caught by the second lifers and their freshly upped LA's. They just kept coming, from all directions, and eventually knocked all of us from the sky.
It was a very fun frame for us though. Plenty of action at the end.
Salute Allies.
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Yeah, I really regret that we didn't head north with you guys. At the time it seemed like there wasn't any fight to be had... how deceptive appearances can be!
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:lol For sure. That's part of the attraction of FSO.
After clearing 107 and looking for more, we had taken no losses and it looked like we would get every plane home. In a complete reversal, we lost all our A/C.
Lady luck plays into every decision, and every battle in her own mischievous way.
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JG2 was only defenders at A108.
After the first disco, our numbers droped to 13 pilots. :O
We intercepted first swarm of N1k's, almost had them all down then the second
HORDE came in high. We didnt have a chance. <S> axis good work on hitting 108. :salute
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Chappy, when I saw our orders I felt sympathy for whoever had to defend 108. :salute
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Restart was no fun, but those things happen. :salute
Target rich environment. We were overwhelmed by N1K2's at A110. I don't think any of my guys lived.
Here is a screen shot.
You can see the main group. Then another 8 or so not in icon range.
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/N1K2.jpg)
332nd had a couple scouts out and we then split into about 2 groups of 8. My group caught the N1K2's just north of A110, but there was too many to stop them. They were in a shallow dive and really hauling butt. We might have bagged a couple. I know I forced one to drop his egg early and shot the tail off one. The other 332nd group came in after they dropped, but half of my group was down by then. The Yaks that lived for a few minutes stayed fast, but eventually the N1K2's killed just about everyone.
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if i may ask How many axis squads hit 108? :O
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Three: 13mpg, JG11 and TAC Drivers, for a total of 37 N1Ks.
Let's face it, being tasked with defense in FSO is frequently a quick trip to the tower.
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13MPG hit 108 first Chappy. We came in early, due to our noe approach. Lost most of our guys from diving la5's. We were on the field for a good 2 minutes till the first la saw us.. I think there were 3 squads hitting 108.. Tuk151
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412th engaged A110 and then 113 in the N1K assault.
Over 113, Russian fighters seemed to trickle in but eventually overwhelmed the 412th who by then was scattered all over the Korean peninsula.
I took some damage and tried to evade some Russian fighters but ended up pancaking somewhere on the Korean coast.
We fought bravely and took quite alot of them down but i ended up punching out of my burning niki to safely be captured.
You know what happens to Prisoners in Russia? :)
Good fight last night. Need to keep my head on a swivel like Hines Ward. :)
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:salute TUK151
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VMF-251 was part of the strike package on 110. We climbed to about 15k, and even though we were on reduced power we still managed to pull ahead of the rest of the strike, who were up about 20,000ft.
I was actually surprised to not see a cloud of enemy fighters over 110. We encountered a single low scout short of the target, who had plenty of time to call in the rest of the CAP. By the time we saw the first enemy fighters overheard (our 9 o'clock high) we were already entering our attack run. Since VMF-251 was slightly out ahead we hit the soft targets at the airfields and had a significant amount of the ack down by the time the rest of the strike group caught up with us.
Our losses at 110 from enemy fire were relatively light. Two pilots crashed, I think failing to pull out of their dives or may have dropped their ordinance too low. One was damaged in a collision and forced to egress (ditched offshore of 114). One bailed over the target, (possible air-to-air kill) and one for certain forced to ditch off 110 after having his engine shot out.
After tangling with the 110 defenders for a bit VMF-251 egressed out north and climbed for altitude. We ended up meeting the strike on 114 on THEIR way out about halfway between the bases. I ordered the squad to blow through as the remaining escorts were rather high and HOed down three B-25s on my way through. We lost two to the escorts (and took two of them down for their trouble. Final tally of that exchange was 4 B-25s and 2 La-5s, to go with the 12 we claimed over 110) before we all separated and continued back to 114. Once back at 114 we lost two planes to taxiing accidents while attempting to rearm (gear collapsed. dammed Japanese engineering...) The rest of the squad continued to patrol between 110 and 114 looking for follow-up strikes until the end of frame.
I was actually rather surprised by the effectiveness of the strike. I was concerned on receiving the orders because of the limited ordinance load of the Japanese planes compared to the late war American iron (only about 500lbs of bombs, vs the 2000+).
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I was actually rather surprised by the effectiveness of the strike. I was concerned on receiving the orders because of the limited ordinance load of the Japanese planes compared to the late war American iron (only about 500lbs of bombs, vs the 2000+).
Saxman, 500 kg = 1100 lbs. ;)
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D'oh. I forgot to multiply by two bombs. :rolleyes:
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D'oh. I forgot to multiply by two bombs. :rolleyes:
If the average German aircraft had the ordinance load and the range of the Japanese fighters, FSO would be very different.
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68th took 21 or 22 NIKI's to 110 and 113.
We were - I think - the last of the three strike groups to reach 110 and found the defense there, but scattered. There were a few defenders at our altitude when we started our attack run, but we managed to blow through them at get our bombs off on the field - the only confusion being the location of the various hangers on the custom designed fields (which looked great :salute to the terrain team).
After getting our bombs off, we went air to air with the defenders and basically overwhelmed them with numbers. Felt a bit sorry for them - any time a red guy seemed to be getting position on you, there were a bunch of friendlies nearby ready to pounce.
After clearing everything we could find from 110, we preceded to 113 which was undefended. We gunned the whole place down - 3 VH's, 2 ammo dumps and 2 barracks were taken down for no loss.
After that, we high-tailed it for home at 114. We brought 11 of our 21 starters back - most of our losses were air-to-air over 110.
After landing and rearming, we took 7 or so planes (some guys had to log) back south on a sweep but saw nothing. Only excitement at this point was whether we'd make it home to a friendly base before time-up. Luckily my math worked out - just...
Fun frame, but I did feel sorry for the defenders at 110 and 113.
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Apon rearming I was doing the taxi to the runway and the frackin gear broke off on me.Swear there was a glitch in the texture since I was barely moving at the time.Wimpy N1K2 gear.
Thats my story and Im sticking to it.
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I did break the tail off mine landing at the end of the frame. Wheels down, dabbed the brakes, tail came down, bang - no tail. :O
Luckily, there was only a minute or so to go until the end of the frame.
Is this a NIK2 trait? I don't fly it much.
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I did break the tail off mine landing at the end of the frame. Wheels down, dabbed the brakes, tail came down, bang - no tail. :O
Luckily, there was only a minute or so to go until the end of the frame.
Is this a NIK2 trait? I don't fly it much.
I've noticed the tailwheel breaks off routinely if you don't ease it down.
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Apon rearming I was doing the taxi to the runway and the frackin gear broke off on me.Swear there was a glitch in the texture since I was barely moving at the time.Wimpy N1K2 gear.
Thats my story and Im sticking to it.
What the heck is an "Apon" ? :P
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353rd along with two other squads up at a107 to hit a task group. with 30-40 pair of eye looking in two section, no task goup was found. some of us made it back to a107 w/ min of fuel to spare.
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Frame 1, how'd it go for you? Not so good and kinda disturbing. I was leading the 332nds northern group of 5-6 aircraft patrolling north of 110. Found the incoming flight of a lot of Nicki's about a sector north of 110 and vectored in behind, just out of icon range. Let daddog know of their position height and heading. Followed them back into 110 which the rest of our group was already engaged with and vastly outnumbered. We came in high over the frey and engaged, but easily became scattered due to enemy numbers. The only way to stay alive was to stay very fast in the yak, and hit a few but couldn't press the kill due to having three on your six before you could stay on a target 2 seconds. I made an error trying to break a few off a low squaddies six, therby burning my altitude and left me vulnerable to the numerouse high Nick's at this point. It then became a matter of time of me dodging before I burned up all my speed and alt and lost a wing due to 20mm's. Now for the disturbing part. I bailed out of my plane after a long drawn out fight, and started my float down to the ground. All I can see is a see of red Nicki's, no friendlies in sight. One of the Nicki's heads my way and opens up on my parachute :huh, and misses. Then turns around and makes another pass at me and hits me that time. Never have I even considered shooting someone down in a parachute during FSO, I thought this was very low class for FSO :uhoh. Anyway to the rest of you :salute, had a good time and the terrain looked excellent.
:salute
BigRat
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If i knew how to post some screenys i would but after we cleared the first wave from 108 i looked up and said "#$#%, this is go-in to be messy". That second half started with 7 nicks on my 6 high and fast, ended with though 7 taking shots 4 at a time together low slow and on the deck. Gave it a good run but the 2 divein from high the last minute of the fight that forced me to turn sealed my fate. Ya 13 LA5s to 37 nicks isn't an ideal situation lol. was fun though <S>
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37 nicks...<S>
N1K2 was the George, btw.
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USMC/71sqn escorted +precision in b25's from 110 to 114.
We had almost NO resistance at 114, and the 25's made back to 110 with only a couple of losses. Some of our squad got caught on the re-arm pad. :furious
:lol
Was there anyone defending the bases in the north?
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One of the Nicki's heads my way and opens up on my parachute :huh, and misses. Then turns around and makes another pass at me and hits me that time. Never have I even considered shooting someone down in a parachute during FSO, I thought this was very low class for FSO
Film?
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USMC/71sqn escorted +precision in b25's from 110 to 114.
We had almost NO resistance at 114, and the 25's made back to 110 with only a couple of losses. Some of our squad got caught on the re-arm pad. :furious
:lol
Was there anyone defending the bases in the north?
Our squad defended A116 along with Hellcat FG all we saw was three B-25s the whole night.
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Our frame went very well. We had no losses on our B25s and we destroyed A26 completely. We had fun for +2 hours and our escorts fought very hard for us. Good plans and good people. A great night overall.
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USMC/71sqn escorted +precision in b25's from 110 to 114.
We had almost NO resistance at 114, and the 25's made back to 110 with only a couple of losses. Some of our squad got caught on the re-arm pad. :furious
:lol
Was there anyone defending the bases in the north?
Was that you guys we ran into while RTB in our N1Ks from 110?
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Film?
Unfortunately no film :frown:, so I can't tell you who the offender was. If someone else has it on film, would love to know.
:salute
BigRat
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Just a friendly tip BigRat. You can .ef the instant you punch out.
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I do agree with him tho. How lame is it to chute-shoot someone in FSO?
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I do agree with him tho. How lame is it to chute-shoot someone in FSO?
That was just an FYI since maybe he didn't know, otherwise why hang there and wait for the guy to make a second pass.
Is it dweeby? Yes, but... In the midst of combat the only real reason for a chute to be hanging there is to be relaying info to team mates, could simply be check 6's or tactical info like passing along numbers/types of AC and headings. In this case I say they are still in play.
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Thanks Tec, actually never even thought of the .ef . Will do that for now on however. I wasn't looking for any particular advantage out of the situation, becouse as I said no friendlies that I could see anywhere near me, just trying to save me a death in the 332nds FSO stats was all. I just hope that this kinda stuff is rare in FSO's, and is hopefully frowned upon by most CO's.
:salute
BigRat
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Was that you guys we ran into while RTB in our N1Ks from 110?
yep , I bet it was.
you guys basically blew right through the bombers and continued to RTB.
You got 2 or 3 from that.
:)
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Four B-25s and two La-5s.
I chewed up two that went down ~5-10mins later while the third I set on fire and popped right after. Another member of the squad crippled the fourth, which also went down ~5mins later (my guess is P/W'ed the drone, bailed, crashed on landing, or maybe ran out of gas from leaks). A couple of the La-5s turned to engage us after we ran through. We put two of them down but not before they got two of mine in return.
If we had better position I may have pressed the attack, but we were JUST level with the bombers and the escorts were above us, so figured better to push through and hope we cleared the other side.
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A quick fight early over the CV then nothing for 2 hrs.
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Four B-25s and two La-5s.
I chewed up two that went down ~5-10mins later while the third I set on fire and popped right after. Another member of the squad crippled the fourth, which also went down ~5mins later (my guess is P/W'ed the drone, bailed, crashed on landing, or maybe ran out of gas from leaks). A couple of the La-5s turned to engage us after we ran through. We put two of them down but not before they got two of mine in return.
If we had better position I may have pressed the attack, but we were JUST level with the bombers and the escorts were above us, so figured better to push through and hope we cleared the other side.
Probably a good call, I told my guys to let you go and stay with the bombers, but a couple just couldn't bring themselves to do it. :lol
Glad they gave as good as they got. :aok
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Had a blast defending 108 w/ JG2.
:salute Tac Drivers, 13 MPG, and III/JG11 Sonderstaffel.
We faired much better this frame in the LA-5 than we did last month in the P-39D. :D
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Unfortunately no film :frown:, so I can't tell you who the offender was. If someone else has it on film, would love to know.
:salute
BigRat
Big Rat - check your PM's
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:rofl :rofl
umm How can I say this :rofl got jumped by... it seemed like 100, had 4 firing upon me, at one time, avoided that, tried to help squadie, no luck KI made a pass took out my engine, then another comes in and takes out my plane. :rofl
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/ahfilmexe7.jpg)
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Big Rat - check your PM's
PM recieved and replied to :aok
:salute
BigRat
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was our first FSO as our own squad. Being a 4-6er squad we were in GVs til T+50. Took our objective with the others and held on till time was up. Then we rolled La5 s from 109. We werent sure as to what our orders were from there, but we did mix it up with a few of the JG54 guys for a fun little fight in the hills. :salute Larry, TBarone and the boys, it was a fun little fight. Looking forward to next week.
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I loved the arena bugged La5. It made getting ganged so much more fun when it wouldn't allow anyone including cm's to pull more than 3g's.
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I loved the arena bugged La5. It made getting ganged so much more fun when it wouldn't allow anyone including cm's to pull more than 3g's.
Ya still not sure what happened there, all the settings were correct but for some reason the stall limiter was in effect for EVERYONE, and all planes.
I think it had something to do with the reset.
But, it effected everyone the same, so it was fair.
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Stall limiter was on? :huh
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Yep. very few noticed it.
We don't know why because all the settings regarding that, were set correctly.
:lol
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I know KS was on in the first attempt on the frame. Before the mass disco a couple of us started dogfighting withing our squads. I PK'ed myself on one of my guys.
I guess I won. :D
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Note: the .ef in chute has not been enabled in all setups. Depends on the hosting CM and their specific orders, settings from the Admin CM. I know a few months ago, the defaults had the arena so that you could not .ef in a chute. I also doubt it is one that we normally check during setup as it has little to do with the actual game play of an FSO event.
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I think it had something to do with the reset.
I noticed it before the reset/do over, and Seano was screaming about it on 200 when we all got back in there.
But, it effected everyone the same, so it was fair.
I know it effected both sides, as Seano was in a Niki and he noticed it too, but it did not effect all players. This is supremely weird as it's a global setting, double checked my local settings on the clipboard to make sure that didn't get reset somehow and it was off. It's not a huge deal that it happened and I'm not trying to bust anyones balls but it would be nice to figure out just WTH could cause that so we don't see it in the future.
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I noticed it before the reset/do over, and Seano was screaming about it on 200 when we all got back in there.
I know it effected both sides, as Seano was in a Niki and he noticed it too, but it did not effect all players. This is supremely weird as it's a global setting, double checked my local settings on the clipboard to make sure that didn't get reset somehow and it was off. It's not a huge deal that it happened and I'm not trying to bust anyones balls but it would be nice to figure out just WTH could cause that so we don't see it in the future.
I could never get it to turn off, both ROC and I tried a variety of things.
And yes I talked to Seano about it over PM. But that was while we were recovering from the reset, and at the time, the recovery was priority over the stall limiter. You can have an FSO with the stall limiter, you can't if bases and AC are not set correctly.
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Yep. very few noticed it.
We don't know why because all the settings regarding that, were set correctly.
:lol
I noticed it, and I checked my preferences and it was off... so I figured it was just the N1K's Spitfire-like flight characteristics.
:lol
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IMHO: until all these odd kinks get worked out, I would very much prefer that GVs be omitted from FSOs.
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I think this wasn't so much a kink but an oversight in making sure Rooks had enough bases that capturing the target wouldn't reset the map.
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IMHO: until all these odd kinks get worked out, I would very much prefer that GVs be omitted from FSOs.
I Was the Cic, for the Fso that had the first gv's and the first (KINK). Was my first Cic duty. After a week of wrecking my brain the 'Kink' happend. The set- up guys and cm's took care of the problem very fast. Just give them some time to work it out. I see, that Fso's are getting better and better. I welcome the gv segment, and hope that it makes its way into every Month of Fso's. Just my thoughts.. :salute
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TUK i remember that :salute
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I think it had something to do with the reset.
Don't know what it was, but it was happening before the reset too. When we found out the terrain was going to change, shamus and I had a mock dogfight until the arena reset. Even then it felt like limiter was on. Is it possible the 1.0 burn mult does this? I remember during an enduro race with Yaks the same thing was happening.
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i think its great adding GV battles, keep up the good work!! it enhances the whole experience. unless, of course, you get fragged like i did! :D
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Hello. Well you can see by my "newbie" status, I never post on here. I was Axis FSO CIC. Like Tuk, it was my first time and the frame involved GV's. As you noticed, there were several glitches. Until now, I have on various occassions complained to my squad about FSO. It seems like the larger groups get split up or vever get the good plane assignments. As CIC I got an awakening. It would have been the easiest thing to assign planes simply by squads and number of players. Also, I was put on short notice that I would serve as CIC. Still, I agonized over assignments. I checked Squad Ranks in Late War, and even spoke directly with as many Squad CO’s as possible. The Overall Orders (the set up delivered to CIC), the Map and the plane sets all limit what you personally want to do. Finally, I tried not to let arrogance play a role in my Orders. I have seen Orders with directions as to which direction a defending force should orbit a field. I believe CO’s are best associated with their own squads and know how to best deploy their people. I bent the Orders by allowing defending Squads to use a forward Defense a sector out from the assigned defense area. Finally, I maximized the use of fighter bombers for attack. Even then, the best laid plans went awry. There was the re-set glitch in the beginning, and then the Cruiser Groups were not in their assigned sectors. This meant that I had 3 squads (2 on Defense and 1 on Attack) flying over the ocean in a wasted night. I apologize for that and I want those CO’s to know that I chose them for that task because I knew their squads could get the job done. As to the attack, I wanted the N1k’s with their firepower against the enemy fields. The CO’s did their job magnificently. I laughed as I dreamed up the Orders of the Allies encountering large groups of N1ks. From the screen shots, it worked. More importantly the CO’s understood what Squads they were cooperating with. That’s why so many After Action Reports here read: “My squad was tasked with 13MPG and Tac Drivers....” All in all it was a great learning experience and my overall goal was met. I didn’t care which side won, I just wanted you guys (and girls) to have fun. Plissken (Call Me Snake).
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Hello. Well you can see by my "newbie" status, I never post on here. I was Axis FSO CIC....
Snake,
I can only tell you that from where I was, your orders (overwhelm the defenders) worked out very well. Don't know what the implications were for our defence, but if the scoring comes down to a slug fest, I'd guess is we're doing OK (at least in the bits I was involved in.
I've been involved in the agonizing over producing FSO orders a couple of times so a big :salute to everyone who takes on the job.
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Snake,
I thought you did a great job on being the CiC and look forward to many more frames of yours. I know you cannot please everyone but there were alot of squads that had a great time.
:salute