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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fergie on February 18, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
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http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/nealsminicooper/?action=view¤t=alprlicplate.flv
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
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http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/nealsminicooper/?action=view¤t=alprlicplate.flv
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Got this in the UK already but not on board a moving vehicle. What you'll see is a static vehicle usually a van or Jam sarnie (white traffic cop with red stripe). The cops usually set up a trap for want of a better word. A van with the tech a cop car or bike 200 yards past the van and a restriced catchment area. Usually preceding a one way road or a road that prohibits U turns by means of barriers.
They ping moving vehicle number plates to read if you have a M.O.T (yearly smog test safety check), valid motor insurance (no arrears on monthly debit if not paid in full), valid road Tax (tags). It will also say if the registered owners driving licence is expired or banned.... all this whilst pinging you for speeding.
Some say it can also say if a warrent of arrest is registered against the owner but I don't if this is true but the above most defiantly is.
If a vehicle is not on the road like a car park or your drive then they can't nick ya for motoring offences.
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I support anything that gets the morons that shouldn't be driving off of the road.
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Just curious, I wonder what is the response time with a vehicle registration once it's querried? The film never mentioned what the lapse in time was from when the monitor read a registration plate and when the information was fed back.
From that perspective, if the system is being operated in traffic, if a "hit" on a vehicle passes the cop, is the suspect vehicle going to be 25 meters away or 300 meters down the roadway? I think that this application would be best suited in parking lots as it demonstrated. The highway and other public roads, I think it would be limited to the response time of the system.
Other than that flaw, I think the system looks interesting. But since many law enforcement agencies in the U.S. have systems in place, (Mobil Data Terminals=MDT's), that are linked through a national database called the National Crime Information Center (N.C.I.C.) and the Criminal Justice Information Services (C.J.I.S.), I think a random scanning registration plate system will never replace the gut instincts of a police officer on the street.
Just my .02
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make sure your papers are in order comrade.
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As the comforts of anonymity and privacy begin to erode in the name of security, so shall the foundations of the rest of our country's statutes..
This is but a step... :noid
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I went to a class back in August with some guys from Norfolk, VA P.D. and they told me that they were already getting it in and starting to train on it. Sounded pretty cool to me. They said the response time is fairly quick. Just like the video said, you get all of the information on stolen cars etc. before you go out or update it throughout the day and while it's scanning plates, it's scanning that database to compare it. The officer will get a response fairly quickly and can go back and do some good ole fashioned police work.
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APR is used on the Ohio Turnpike to catch stolen cars, plates, or people with warrants.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6039555
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How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?
Just curious.
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How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?
Just curious.
Uh... probable cause!
Just guessing.
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How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?
Just curious.
I'm guessing this system runs in conjunction with the systems already in place. Just faster and without the officer having to do anything.
Uh... probable cause!
Just guessing.
You don't need probable cause to check a vehicle's registration. You need it to make an arrest.
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Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
"Your going to pay, pay, pay, thats "whatcha gonna do". "Visa-Master card be working too", "whatcha gonna do when da revenoo'as a comin for you"? <background music> "bad boys, bad boys" "dont want to change yo DL after a move... then we gotta fine for you", "bad girls, bad girls" "dont wanna pay yo pkng bananas"..... "then here come da manna for you".
"And whatcha gonna do"? "When da revenoo'as a-comin for you".
Ok, now everyone...together...."Bad boy, bad boys" "whatcha gonna do when da plate reada take a slice outta you"? "Bad girls, bad girls" "whatcha gonna do when da fines a comin for you".
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As soon as he said the word "about" I suspected he was Canadian. :rofl
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Got this in the UK already but not on board a moving vehicle.
Thought Essex had ANPR in their Scoobies (Police Interceptors TV prog)
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I'm guessing this system runs in conjunction with the systems already in place. Just faster and without the officer having to do anything.
You don't need probable cause to check a vehicle's registration. You need it to make an arrest.
According to this,as long as the officer is randomly checking plates,there is no 4th amendment violation.
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0407/license_plate_checks.html (http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0407/license_plate_checks.html)
The problem with these new systems is they don't check randomly;they check every plate they can visually acquire.
Right now there aren't that many of them so people generally aren't aware they even exist.But I'd be willing to bet the constitutionality of these things will be challenged in court eventually.
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We've had these in Chicago for a couple years. Both for ticket scofflaws and warrants. They are on police cars and Chicago revenue vehicles (guys that put boots on the cars.) They can see both parked plates and plates on the move. They can see plates on cars parked as close as 1 foot to the next car I believe.
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According to this,as long as the officer is randomly checking plates,there is no 4th amendment violation.
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0407/license_plate_checks.html (http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0407/license_plate_checks.html)
The problem with these new systems is they don't check randomly;they check every plate they can visually acquire.
Right now there aren't that many of them so people generally aren't aware they even exist.But I'd be willing to bet the constitutionality of these things will be challenged in court eventually.
Mind that I'm not a lawyer. In Massachusetts, the vehicle registration and the plates belong to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Based upon that statement, a police officer can check the vehicle registrations. The 4th Amendment protects against illegal search and seizures. You have an expectation of privacy inside your vehicle. In plain view, the registration plate and vehicle identification number on the dash, does not constitute an expectation of privacy.
Again, in Massachusetts, if you alter, forge, or steal property of the Registry's it is a criminal offense. That is why you cannot hide or cover up the vin number on the dashboard or drive around with tin foil over the vehicle's plates. I'm not sure about other states, but I think they have similar laws.
I should not have used the word randomly. There is no law that prevents a police officer to check every license plate he/she observes on a public way or any place the public has access to.
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I want you guys to admit it now.
I'll bet most of you thought it was on the up and up when they just happened upon the car wanted in a stickup. In the video I mean.
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Mind that I'm not a lawyer. In Massachusetts, the vehicle registration and the plates belong to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Based upon that statement, a police officer can check the vehicle registrations. The 4th Amendment protects against illegal search and seizures. You have an expectation of privacy inside your vehicle. In plain view, the registration plate and vehicle identification number on the dash, does not constitute an expectation of privacy.
Again, in Massachusetts, if you alter, forge, or steal property of the Registry's it is a criminal offense. That is why you cannot hide or cover up the vin number on the dashboard or drive around with tin foil over the vehicle's plates. I'm not sure about other states, but I think they have similar laws.
I should not have used the word randomly. There is no law that prevents a police officer to check every license plate he/she observes on a public way or any place the public has access to.
Read the link I posted.That's where I got "randomly" from,not you.
"As long as officers legitimately observe a license plate, there's no Fourth Amendment violation, and they don't need reasonable cause to run a check."
"Randomly checking the license plate numbers of vehicles through dispatchers or in-car computers, whether the vehicles are moving or are stationary, does not violate the Fourth Amendment as long as law enforcement officers are conducting legitimate law enforcement business or are in a location where they have a lawful right to be."
My argument(if I were a lawyer,which I'm not)would be no officer is observing the license plate,a machine is.Not only is it not an officer,the device checks all plates it can visually acquire.There is no randomness whatsoever.It's checking each and every vehicle.
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some day the govt will implant a chip in all of you, for the public good of course.
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My argument(if I were a lawyer,which I'm not)would be no officer is observing the license plate,a machine is.
It's a "machine" alright, and it's name is the System of "Just Us!"
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Fake license plates are a big fad right now in the UK. They don't even pull off the plates... They simply use a printer to print out someone else's plate numbers/letters and tape it on. You can apparently search for plate numbers that match your car type/color so any cop looking up the plate won't find anything unusual about it.
The mean part is that these people will deliberatly speed up when they see speed enforcement cameras, just so the guy who's plate number was stolen will get harassing notices and fines from the govt. Mean. Funny and of course a typical side-effect that will occur whenever the govt trends towards intrusive automated law enforcement and penalties, but my sympathy is limited because that's apparently the kind of society they WANT. Well, they got it.
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Just to correct a bit of a misconception here - that is not the kind of society the general public want, its the kind of society enforced on us by the morons allegedly in charge of us in the UK.
Wurzel
Editted to include the fact I'm talking about the UK govt
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Sox, I understand what you are describing about the legality of a machine doing a police officer's job. It's an interesting spin on the subject and I'd be interested on how this plays out with the bloodsucking lawyers. Sorry, I don't know too many lawyers I liked or trusted.
However, I hate to go down this road an play the "devil's advocate" but if that was the case for everything, a machine doing the cop's job, then you could find fault in every criminal investigation that was aided by science or technology.
FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'
This is directly from the Constitution. Like I stated earlier, there is no expectation to privacy with a motor vehicle's registration plate and the plain view doctrine comes into play. To break it down, "observing" seems to be the key word. Did the officer observe the vehicle? If so. How long does he have to observe it? If we get past that and lets say for argument sake, the officer did observe the vehicle, even if it was a fraction of a few seconds, then the machine ran the registration. Is that legal to have the assistance of a machine? All good questions in my opinion.
My argument(if I were a lawyer,which I'm not)would be no officer is observing the license plate,a machine is.Not only is it not an officer,the device checks all plates it can visually acquire.There is no randomness whatsoever.It's checking each and every vehicle.
If this is the case and there is no "randomness", then you cannot use the argument of profiling. Every vehicle is treated in the same manner and nobody is being targeted individually. Very similar to the sobriety checkpoints that are conducted in some states, but that subject is another nightmare in itself.
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some day the govt will implant a chip in all of you, for the public good of course.
Don't forget the bar code tatoo....for your protection.
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FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'
What if your car is your house?
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Much ado about nothing provided that the conditions that cause the alarm are tightly controlled, and that is where vigilance will be needed.
I wouldn't want to see the alarms going off for tag owners who had previous criminal convictions, lived out of the area, ID put into the system by locals for grins, CCW holders etc, but overall its a tool that can be effective if used properly.
Catch a guy abusing it and he is subject to prosecution, civil damages and immediate loss of all pension benefits.
shamus
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I don't understand what all the paranoia is about. There're already identification plates on your car. Nothing is changing in their capability to identify you, just the speed and efficiency with which they can do it.
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Fake license plates are a big fad right now in the UK. They don't even pull off the plates... They simply use a printer to print out someone else's plate numbers/letters and tape it on. You can apparently search for plate numbers that match your car type/color so any cop looking up the plate won't find anything unusual about it.
The mean part is that these people will deliberatly speed up when they see speed enforcement cameras, just so the guy who's plate number was stolen will get harassing notices and fines from the govt. Mean. Funny and of course a typical side-effect that will occur whenever the govt trends towards intrusive automated law enforcement and penalties, but my sympathy is limited because that's apparently the kind of society they WANT. Well, they got it.
I heard about some teens that were doing that in the NE somewhere (Maryland, I think it was). They were printing tags for their school teachers then repeatedly running red lights to get the camera-activated tickets.
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What if your car is your house?
A car can be used as a house, but cannot be defined as a house. No luck with that one.
Your car is and does contain "effects" and falls under the amendment. You can refuse to have your car searched and force the officer to obtain a warrant. They can then "detain" you until one is issued. Problem is, you had BETTER be clean. If they find something after going through all of that trouble, they will surely make an example out of you (after tearing your car completely apart).
As far as relating to this topic, there is no "search" on something (tag) that is being displayed on the front and back of the car for the world to see.
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I believe that they can hold the car, but, unless under arrest, you are free to leave.
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I believe that they can hold the car, but, unless under arrest, you are free to leave.
Next time you get stopped, get out and walk away :lol, be sure and get back with us to tell us how that worked out.
shamus
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I believe that they can hold the car, but, unless under arrest, you are free to leave.
Not so fast... :D
http://www.videojug.com/interview/police-questioning
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It started with cameras...then more camera...and more. Now its red light and speeding cameras, now plate readers, and before you know it we'll be living in "Pre-Crime" with retina scans and face scans. Why not? The technology is already here and after all, your "on the public way". Before you know it you'll get retina scanned by a street device and then you'll get a letter in the mail asking you why you went out and bought something when you owe back taxes.
None of this is my idea of "America". Is it yours?
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It started with cameras...then more camera...and more. Now its red light and speeding cameras, now plate readers, and before you know it we'll be living in "Pre-Crime" with retina scans and face scans. Why not? The technology is already here and after all, your "on the public way". Before you know it you'll get retina scanned by a street device and then you'll get a letter in the mail asking you why you went out and bought something when you owe back taxes.
None of this is my idea of "America". Is it yours?
It may not be "your" idea of American, but when you get the organizations like M.A.D.D. (whom I respect very much), start throwing out stats about how many "kids" are killed in automobile accidents, the new laws start to come out. It may not be what we like to see, but in many people's minds, it makes them feel better at night.
Rich, I don't like it either. I'm taxed to death in Massachusetts and now Deval (#$%$) Patrick is talking about a .27 cent gas tax on top of what we already pay! I like to see a government with less involvement in my life. They (the government) takes about 30% of my pay every week. And that's not witholding what is taken out for union dues, my health insurance, or my pension. BUT, taxes is another subject we can leave alone (I have a stress test on Friday.) :)
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How is a plate reader going to stop people from driving drunk? And since when did we drop all constitutional discussion due to the actions of drunks behind the wheel? No, no thanks. Ive heard that "Govt. is mother, Govt. is father" argument before and they can stick it in their willies.
Ive had to unpeel enough of these people from their car wrecks, collect their body parts, shovel their brains up, and theres nothing a Mad Mom can tell me. The tools are there for the Govt. to crawl up our arse as far as they want and if "I" distrust it all then you had better too.
If I distrust it then so should you!
Dont be suckers. This plate reading scam is there just to produce revenue anyway.And at the end of the plate read lies the Golden goose of municipality revenue collection. The vehicle tow/impound. That, and its another juicy contract to dish out to Political contributors.
Questions? See below.
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They've been using plate scanners in the UK for spotting stolen vehicles, looks to be quite effective.
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cops here already have it, its scary
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It was just officially announced today that "King" Daley wants to put up cameras at every single intersection (we already have a bunch around the city.) Personally, I'm up in the air about this. It just seems creepy, but I have had a chance to see them in action and it is really kind of... creepy. The police use them after a crime to identify suspects and witnesses, and often you can see the crime as it happens.
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And thats the best thing about it all for the Politicians.
Nobody is going to hate them for the things. They will hate the cops.
Nobody will blame themselves for their lack of civil involvment. For casting the votes for these characters in the first place, "that is if they voted at all". They wont look in a mirror and see a lifetime of personal involvement in the system being limited to whining and sniveling on Internet forums.
Its all much simpler just to hate the poor guy in uniform. Who has no choice but to tag people when the stupid thing goes off. That is if he wants to stay employed and keep his family off of the dogfood line.
This is not my idea of "America" or of being an "American". Govt. has no business knowing our business and I dont trust them with it.
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How is a plate reader going to stop people from driving drunk? And since when did we drop all constitutional discussion due to the actions of drunks behind the wheel? No, no thanks. Ive heard that "Govt. is mother, Govt. is father" argument before and they can stick it in their willies.
Ive had to unpeel enough of these people from their car wrecks, collect their body parts, shovel their brains up, and theres nothing a Mad Mom can tell me. The tools are there for the Govt. to crawl up our arse as far as they want and if "I" distrust it all then you had better too.
If I distrust it then so should you!
Dont be suckers. This plate reading scam is there just to produce revenue anyway.And at the end of the plate read lies the Golden goose of municipality revenue collection. The vehicle tow/impound. That, and its another juicy contract to dish out to Political contributors.
Questions? See below.
Rich, don't be confused with active organizations like MADD targeting just drunk drivers. They do so much more. Driver Education is part of their mission statement as well. Not to mention the insurance companies, (who by the way, would profit more from this vehicle registration reader than anyone else). That is where the revenue will come into play. Unregistered motor vehicles (stats in Massachusetts say about 1 in 20 are illegally on the roadway). Who gets that money? Well, you have the court fees and penalties which are usually split between the state and town. Then the insurance companies get a new customer. The vehicle owner still has to get the car out of the impound yard. Oh and then you have the tow company who makes out too.
And thats the best thing about it all for the Politicians.
Nobody is going to hate them for the things. They will hate the cops.
Nobody will blame themselves for their lack of civil involvement. For casting the votes for these characters in the first place, "that is if they voted at all". They wont look in a mirror and see a lifetime of personal involvement in the system being limited to whining and sniveling on Internet forums.
Its all much simpler just to hate the poor guy in uniform. Who has no choice but to tag people when the stupid thing goes off. That is if he wants to stay employed and keep his family off of the dogfood line.
This is not my idea of "America" or of being an "American". Govt. has no business knowing our business and I dont trust them with it.
The general public already hates cops. But the officer always has the discretion to act upon a "hit" from a system. I've seen this discretion in person.
When it comes to implementing a system like this, it'll come down to the politicians. I guessing this scanning system is expensive and with most states looking at a 10% to 20% cut in spending, local aid in police, fire, highway, and schools will be cut first. Usually the top three take the hit.
I don't have a problem with cameras at intersections. It's another "tool" that can be used. Let me give an example. In Massachusetts, the RMV implemented a new crash report (accident form) about 9 years ago. In one particular intersection in the town where I live, it was notoriously know for some serious accidents. There were fatal. The RMV was able to look at the crash reports and determine what time the crashes took place, the weather, and how many vehicles were involved. I would say within two years of the study being done on that one intersection (RMV said they were doing the study), there were better traffic lights installed, the roadway was graded different, and more street lights were installed. There are no cameras there. But, since the modifications, there has been a reduced rate of crashes and to my knowledge, no fatals.
So the question still stands, are the changes good? Looking back at that crash report 9 years ago, I would have said "No." It was a waste of paper and it took too damn long to fill out. But looking at the results now, I was wrong. Those crash reports have saved lives and improved the roadways all of our loved ones travel.
Rich, nobody can predict the future on how this scanning system will work or how well it'll be received. For that matter, any new technology that comes out.
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You can hate it all you want. A clear 51% of Americans think this sort of thing is a great idea. They have a concensus to do what they want.
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http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/nealsminicooper/?action=view¤t=alprlicplate.flv
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
don't worry. it's for your own good.
no authority will ever abuse this system, and it never makes mistakes.
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I support anything that gets the morons that shouldn't be driving off of the road.
wellllll.........
quite a few of those morons are legally licensed, and haven't committed any crimes......with the exception of taking up space anyway. :D
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How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?
Just curious.
because if you stopped someone, you suspected them of something, or they did something.
this system, is checking out EVERYONE.
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You don't need probable cause to check a vehicle's registration. You need it to make an arrest.
to the best of my knowledge, in nj, you do. police are not allowed to run a tag, until they've stopped a vehicle. of course, this doesn't mean that they don't.
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Much ado about nothing provided that the conditions that cause the alarm are tightly controlled, and that is where vigilance will be needed.
I wouldn't want to see the alarms going off for tag owners who had previous criminal convictions, lived out of the area, ID put into the system by locals for grins, CCW holders etc, but overall its a tool that can be effective if used properly.
Catch a guy abusing it and he is subject to prosecution, civil damages and immediate loss of all pension benefits.
shamus
alarms go off for tags associated with a suspended license. sooo....suppose my girlfriend is suspended, and i'm driving her car? i have to put up with the cops bs because of this?
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to the best of my knowledge, in nj, you do. police are not allowed to run a tag, until they've stopped a vehicle. of course, this doesn't mean that they don't.
Cap, even though NJ is a planet all on its own... :D All kidding aside, the person that has a vehicle registered in their name owns the vehicle. They do not own the registration plates, the RMV does. Police don't need any probable cause to check a vehicle's registration nor is there any expectation to privacy. Therefore there is no 4th Amendment violation. If a police officer stops a vehicle for a legitimate purpose, they cannot search the vehicle unless the owner/operator gives them permission or if the person is arrested or probable cause exists to search (i.e. the odor of narcotics). The vehicle is searched as part of the motor vehicle inventory laws. This prevents the arrested person from saying that there was anything taken from the vehicle prior to it being towed.
alarms go off for tags associated with a suspended license. sooo....suppose my girlfriend is suspended, and i'm driving her car? i have to put up with the cops bs because of this?
Good question. The answer is yes and no. If the vehicle is registered to a female and the police cannot identify the operator as being a male or female, then they can make the stop. If the operator is clearly not the registered owner (in the scenario you described, a female with a suspended license), and the police officer can clearly, see the operator, then no. There is no probable cause to support the operator, being a male, is suspended.
And is it really "bs" as you descibed it? They are just doing a job.
Hope that explains your question.
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They are just doing a job.
collecting revenue.
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And is it really "bs" as you descibed it? They are just doing a job.
Hope that explains your question.
Seems a lot of things these days are explained away with a shrug and a "just doing a job" comment...
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Cap, even though NJ is a planet all on its own... :D All kidding aside, the person that has a vehicle registered in their name owns the vehicle. They do not own the registration plates, the RMV does. Police don't need any probable cause to check a vehicle's registration nor is there any expectation to privacy. Therefore there is no 4th Amendment violation. If a police officer stops a vehicle for a legitimate purpose, they cannot search the vehicle unless the owner/operator gives them permission or if the person is arrested or probable cause exists to search (i.e. the odor of narcotics). The vehicle is searched as part of the motor vehicle inventory laws. This prevents the arrested person from saying that there was anything taken from the vehicle prior to it being towed. they may not need probable cause, but they do need a reason. they can't just run your tag, simply because they're sitting behind you in traffic, and they're bored. BTW, that happened to me coming home from mcguire afb at 2am. no reason whatsoever, he ran my plate, and pulled me over. said my reg was expired. thankfully, i was in dress blues, and he let me off. it was in talking to a friend, who's personal friends with one of the local judges, that i found out that that ticket(had he issued one) would've been thrown out, because he ran my tag BEFORE he stopped me. once he stops me, then it's ok.
Good question. The answer is yes and no. If the vehicle is registered to a female and the police cannot identify the operator as being a male or female, then they can make the stop. If the operator is clearly not the registered owner (in the scenario you described, a female with a suspended license), and the police officer can clearly, see the operator, then no. There is no probable cause to support the operator, being a male, is suspended.
And is it really "bs" as you descibed it? They are just doing a job.
Hope that explains your question.
now...don't get me wrong, i respect the hell out of most police. the problem is that some of them seriously abuse the tools given to them. most of them are forced to do things they hate....such as setting up speed traps locally to generate revenue.
somerdale nj is notorious for the local pd stopping you for minor things, and ticketing you when other municipalities would hand you a warning.
ooo...and yes, it is bs when someone gets stopped for something like that.
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I've never heard a citation (ticket) being thrown out because the police officer conducted a registration check and then stopped the vehicle. As long as the stop was justified or the police officer was acting in good faith. But, NJ motor vehicle laws can be different.
Seems a lot of things these days are explained away with a shrug and a "just doing a job" comment...
Ever do a job or something you didn't like but were required to do so?
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IIRC I saw a news report a year or so ago that said some departments already using something similar. they drive down the street and scan the plates of parked cars to find the ones who's owners have unpaid traffic tickets or out of date registration. then they tow it
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Boy now hes posting to himself and spitting all over his screen again.
I sure wish that copper would have given him a pass on that commercial registration ticket. Cap1 is about to flatline on us again.
Questions? See below.
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I've never heard a citation (ticket) being thrown out because the police officer conducted a registration check and then stopped the vehicle. As long as the stop was justified or the police officer was acting in good faith. But, NJ motor vehicle laws can be different.
Ever do a job or something you didn't like but were required to do so?
One that I didn't like or one that I felt was wrong? There's a difference.
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I've never heard a citation (ticket) being thrown out because the police officer conducted a registration check and then stopped the vehicle. As long as the stop was justified or the police officer was acting in good faith. But, NJ motor vehicle laws can be different.
Ever do a job or something you didn't like but were required to do so?
yes, i have. i do it all the time. remember? i have my own shop. i've been fixing cars for 20-some years. when i get a customer that has a car that's not worth the bill(got one right now) i friggin HATE takign their money for it. i do, because it pays the bills, but i'd soo much rather see them but a better car, and maintain it. got a lady that just dumped $500 into a geo metro, that's falling apart around her.....after me almost pleading with her to get rid of it.
as for new jersey laws.....yes, they can be screwy. after all, we are our own little republic here. :noid
running a plate for no other reason than being bored is not in good faith.
people accepting this, is just another bit of privacy/freedom being given away.
another little step.
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Boy now hes posting to himself and spitting all over his screen again.
I sure wish that copper would have given him a pass on that commercial registration ticket. Cap1 is about to flatline on us again.
Questions? See below.
uumm......i DID get a pass on that. it pays to know people that know the judges.
and why would i be spitting on my screen?
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Uh... probable cause!
Just guessing.
Probable cause is anything any LEO wants it to be. The only thing that matters is if that LEO can articulate that probabl\e cause in court and I have yet to hear of any case that didnt move on due to lack of "probable cause".
If I am on patrol in rural IA or SD and come across a car (and obviously not Gpa and Gma inside) with CA, FL, TX, AZ, or NY plates... regardless of their lack of doing anything wrong I will be running their plates. It isnt typical that is all I have to articulate in my paperwork. LEO's call in plates far more than one realizes. All it takes if for something to catch our eye and 20 seconds later comm center is giving us the info on the car.
BTW... when I was working in IA I busted a stolen car from TX that had a single driver. He met me at an intersection in the middle of nowhere on a gravel road. I just happen to get a glimps of the plate, guessed the state, and called it in. Five minutes later I had this guy in custody and comm center was notifying the owner in TX. The driver admitted that the car was stolen and that he was in IA to pick up some meth to transport it back to TX (NW IA is a hotbed for meth producers).
Probable cause? You turning you head too quick or adjusting your mirror can be probable cause.
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That would be nice to have in my unit. Maybe I can talk the chief into buying it lol.
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I can't believe that I am going to say this, but.............
Although I would be the first to cry foul at 4th amendment rights being violated, I honestly can't say that using this technology FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, AND NO OTHER really does not break any of the rules.
As others have stated, this just makes the LEO's more efficient at running tags. It's not enabling them to do something "new", just letting them do it faster , and with greater accuracy.
Cops run tags all the time. That fact is not new.
If they can divulge at the touch of a button that there is no reason to top me, then all for the better. It will let them spend more of their time stopping the people that need stopping. It is still not a substitute fr the "gut feeling" that cop spend so many years developing.
The flip side of this .........
Where will the use of technology end, and how intrusive will it become?
I fear that the days of private anonymity will be but a fading memory by the time they put me in the ground.
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I agree with Von Messa on this totally , if they used it to catch felons or stolen cars , abducted kids in cars or a host of other things cool , but to bust the backs of the average Joe's and Jane's is disturbing at best . Life is tough enough without more ( misdemeanor taxes ) which is what I call traffic offenses that amount to pure B.S. Everyone knows that most of the traffic laws are for revenue to city's , county's , states . it has always been that way and always will .
Nutte :salute
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One that I didn't like or one that I felt was wrong? There's a difference.
Sorry, I don't see a difference. Some laws state an "an officer must or shall". It's the law. If the officer fails to perform his/her duties, then it's grounds for dismissal. For example, violations with restraining orders. Are there cases of abusing the system or a false statement to obtain a restraining order....of course there are. But Massachusetts law states that any violation of a restraining order, the defendant must be arrested.
As far as the scanning system in general, I don't care either way. If my vehicle has an active registration and it's insured, scan away. I've got nothing to hide.
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Trooper Won't Face Charges For Background Checks
Posted: Feb 5, 2009 07:38 AM EST
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A TBI investigation showed Lt. Ronnie Shirley used the criminal justice portal to look up the personal information of nearly 200 Tennesseans in August 2008. Now, a local newspaper has reported that the Davidson County District Attorney Torry Johnson said there isn't anything criminal they can prosecute Shirley for.
Shirley was fired in September for gross misconduct, but Johnson said there's no evidence that Shirley benefited from his search in any way.
As for the list of people Shirley looked up, the public may never know their identities.
The man who blew the whistle on Shirley said he has now been wrongfully targeted by the Tennessee Highway Patrol.
Lt. Robert Eckerman first discovered Shirley's abuse of criminal background checks after he learned that someone had accessed his file in August 2008. Now, Eckerman has said that he is the target of a bogus internal investigation.
As far as the 182 Tennesseans Shirley illegally ran background checks on, Johnson said most of the checks were driver's license information, which is confidential information. The confidentiality of that information is why the list most likely will not be released to the public.
Johnson also said it's not clear why Shirley was running all these names through the database.
It's also unclear if Shirley will get his job back with the Highway Patrol. His termination is currently under appeal in civil service appeals court.
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Fergie, That is definitely an example of how some cops abuse their powers. Although the Trooper is not facing criminal charges, it was certainly a violation of ethics and proper actions were taken.
In Massachusetts, any time a police officer checks a person's background, it's recorded along with the reason for the query. Three reasons are 1. for a criminal investigation, 2. for employment, and 3. for a firearms license. By those records, I mean criminal charges that have been filed against a person, not registration queries. But registration queries are logged also by the system.
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, but to bust the backs of the average Joe's and Jane's is disturbing at best . Life is tough enough without more ( misdemeanor taxes ) which is what I call traffic offenses that amount to pure B.S. Everyone knows that most of the traffic laws are for revenue to city's , county's , states . it has always been that way and always will .
Nutte :salute
this is what will happen with these systems.
Fergie, That is definitely an example of how some cops abuse their powers. Although the Trooper is not facing criminal charges, it was certainly a violation of ethics and proper actions were taken.
In Massachusetts, any time a police officer checks a person's background, it's recorded along with the reason for the query. Three reasons are 1. for a criminal investigation, 2. for employment, and 3. for a firearms license. By those records, I mean criminal charges that have been filed against a person, not registration queries. But registration queries are logged also by the system.
and this is why.^^^^^^^
police officers are only human beings(although a few believe they're so much more). it's human nature to push limits, no matter who you are. there will be officers that will abuse this system. then it'll get worse, to the point of them checking things like...oooooo......i don't know.....your bank info? to make sure you can cover that ticket they're about to hand ya. heck....they'll even make it easier, and link a system to this one that;ll deduct the fine right from your account.
it would be a beautiful system, if we all knew there would be no abuse of it.....i'd be all for it in that instance, but alas, it's just another little step, and so many are brainwashed, they believe anything they're told.
Probable cause is anything any LEO wants it to be. The only thing that matters is if that LEO can articulate that probabl\e cause in court and I have yet to hear of any case that didnt move on due to lack of "probable cause".sooo...what you're telling us, is that an alert driver is constantly giving you probable cause? my head is always on the swivel. although i'm watching the crossing traffic, when i'm sitting at a traffic light, i also do a quick "back n forth" headswing just before i accelerate on a green. but according to you, that's probable cause to stop me? i'm always aware of what's going on all around my car, and what;s going on where i'm about to be, and those surroundngs, but it sounds like you expect to see a zombie siting behind the wheel. it's how i've avoided all but that one accident 7 years ago.
If I am on patrol in rural IA or SD and come across a car (and obviously not Gpa and Gma inside) with CA, FL, TX, AZ, or NY plates... regardless of their lack of doing anything wrong I will be running their plates. It isnt typical that is all I have to articulate in my paperwork. LEO's call in plates far more than one realizes. All it takes if for something to catch our eye and 20 seconds later comm center is giving us the info on the car. again........i live in nj......but by your judgements, it's probable cause if i'm in maryland, or deleware? or pennsylvania, or new york? or how about when i drive to florida to visit my family? ya see where i'm going here? your whole post smacks of excuses to abuse a system like this what is gpa, or gma?
BTW... when I was working in IA I busted a stolen car from TX that had a single driver. He met me at an intersection in the middle of nowhere on a gravel road. I just happen to get a glimps of the plate, guessed the state, and called it in. Five minutes later I had this guy in custody and comm center was notifying the owner in TX. The driver admitted that the car was stolen and that he was in IA to pick up some meth to transport it back to TX (NW IA is a hotbed for meth producers).
Probable cause? You turning you head too quick or adjusting your mirror can be probable cause. see my first paragraph for this one.
for the most part, i respect police officers. i know quite a few. i know quite a few state troopers, from working with them in cap. the ones in the aviation dept, are the nicest bunch of guys you could want to meet. knowing them(the locals), and reading some of the stuff from some here shows scary times coming though. it's why i have a voice recorder in my car now, and will have video very soon.
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government in this country is out of control (including the police)
blaa!
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Sorry, I don't see a difference. Some laws state an "an officer must or shall". It's the law. If the officer fails to perform his/her duties, then it's grounds for dismissal. For example, violations with restraining orders. Are there cases of abusing the system or a false statement to obtain a restraining order....of course there are. But Massachusetts law states that any violation of a restraining order, the defendant must be arrested.
As far as the scanning system in general, I don't care either way. If my vehicle has an active registration and it's insured, scan away. I've got nothing to hide.
Ahh, the old "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about" argument.
While I have done many jobs that I dislike, I am morally prohibited from doing a job which I believe to be unethical. This is just another reason why I could NEVER be a cop.
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Ahh, the old "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about" argument.
While I have done many jobs that I dislike, I am morally prohibited from doing a job which I believe to be unethical. This is just another reason why I could NEVER be a cop.
yea don'tcha love that one?
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Ahh, the old "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about" argument.
While I have done many jobs that I dislike, I am morally prohibited from doing a job which I believe to be unethical. This is just another reason why I could NEVER be a cop.
Plus theres the background check, polygraph, the psych test, the drug screen, plus they send investigators out to your schools and neighborhoods to check on your character. Not that any of that would slow Sluggish down. :lol
I bet most of you agents for change dont even vote. :rofl
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Plus theres the background check, polygraph, the psych test, the drug screen, plus they send investigators out to your schools and neighborhoods to check on your character. Not that any of that would slow Sluggish down. :lol
I bet most of you agents for change dont even vote. :rofl
You're right about me not passing the background check (I had fun when I was young), but I would have no problem passing a drug test or polygragh (Psyc test may be another story). I always vote although I don't know what that has to do with the ability to rationalize that "bad and "wrong" mean the same thing...
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this is what will happen with these systems.
and this is why.^^^^^^^
police officers are only human beings(although a few believe they're so much more). it's human nature to push limits, no matter who you are. there will be officers that will abuse this system. then it'll get worse, to the point of them checking things like...oooooo......i don't know.....your bank info? to make sure you can cover that ticket they're about to hand ya. heck....they'll even make it easier, and link a system to this one that;ll deduct the fine right from your account.
it would be a beautiful system, if we all knew there would be no abuse of it.....i'd be all for it in that instance, but alas, it's just another little step, and so many are brainwashed, they believe anything they're told.
for the most part, i respect police officers. i know quite a few. i know quite a few state troopers, from working with them in cap. the ones in the aviation dept, are the nicest bunch of guys you could want to meet. knowing them(the locals), and reading some of the stuff from some here shows scary times coming though. it's why i have a voice recorder in my car now, and will have video very soon.
You missed my point completely. Completely. If something catches an LEO's eye, whatever it may be, ESPECIALLY out of state plates on a back gravel road at 1am in the morning (I forgot the 1am thing in my previous post, my bad) in meth haven USA, this LEO is going to run your plates. If I pull up behind you and I see you twitching, not paying attention (conatantly looking somewhere else than dead ahead), constantly adjusting your mirror, looking down at your seat or into your backseat, I am going to run your plates. I run plates on "questionable" out of state plates as often as I can and like I said if Gpa and Gma are putzin' down the highway at 55mph and they have FL plates... the odds of them being snowbirds are quite high. The ones as of late, or so I am told, are the 1980's model cars with "Jesus is Lord" and other such omnious religious stickers on them. Those have been the shuttle of choice for meth runners in NW Iowa.
This is not an abuse, it is called patrolling. No one's "rights" are invaded if an LEO runs your plates. How do you think a good chunk of those people with warrants out on them get apprehended??? Some of you need to remove the tinfoil hat and veg out a bit. We're talking about checking your plates, not pulling you over, asking for "das papiers", and beating you for looking crossed eyed at the officer or not wearing your "Juden" armband. Lighten up, Francis.
Oh, and having a voice recorder and video in your own car not a bad idea. It will help you vs others in civil liabilities. Just keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of LEO's are mic'ed up and on video all the time when dealing with the public so if you are doing so because your tinfoil hat is too tight it isnt going to help you one bit vs an LEO. ;)
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government in this country is out of control (including the police)
blaa!
How right you are. However, the reactions of the government and more-so law enforcement is directly related to the society it governs or serves. The LEO system would still be (in addition to smiling a lot more) carrying revolvers (18 rounds total), a hickory baton, one set of handcuffs, a radio, and a shotgun with birdshot in the trunk if it didnt have to worry about the gangs, the violence, the hard core repeat offenders, the drugs, the school/workplace shootings, the illegals, the thrill seekers, the suicidals, and all the other BS we've seen arise from out of [insert reason here] these past 20-30 years. Instead, officers are carrying a hi-cap autoloader pistol w/ appx 45-50 rounds on person (hit ratios have plummeted, btw), an Asp (collaspable metal baton), OC spray, a tazer, a knife (for cutting people out of a seatbelt ;) ), 2 sets of handcuffs, a ballistic vest, a radio, enough trainging to take on 10 hoodlums in a fist fight, and the mentality of a drill instructor speaking to Gma (just be polite and say "Sir/Ma'am while being staunch and firm). Oh, did I mention the AR15 in the squad car that is reached for far too often? Our LEO force has become far too military in operation, imo. However, I undestand why and it a sad thing.
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finally something that is effective.
My wife's aunt had a dumeass 18 year old driving around the house 3 in the morning. He was drunk and came inches from hitting the house and a natural gas line. They caught him and he had his licence taking away. Dose this stop him from driving? NO. three days later after his court appearance, he is driving and drunk. Hits a $60,000 SUV and takes off with only three wheels. He will still drive till he kills him self or somebody elas.
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As the comforts of anonymity and privacy begin to erode in the name of security, so shall the foundations of the rest of our country's statutes..
This is but a step... :noid
I have to disagree with you. From the looks of the screen, and talking to a Silverton Police officer (gotta love connections ;)), the officer can get just as much information on any car that isn't struck as "hot" by watching your local DOT's traffic camera's, or driving around. I tend to respect your comments, but this one just doesn't seem to be thought through.
Some say it can also say if a warrent of arrest is registered against the owner but I don't if this is true but the above most defiantly is.
If the officials who got the warrant knew the vehicle they drove, including the licence plate, I don't see why it couldn't work...
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Cap, be careful about recording devices. If you record somebody's voice without their permission it is considered an illegal wire tap in Massachusetts. Here is the website that contains the NJ laws. I suggest you look up your state laws regarding this matter. http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/cip/surveillance.htm (http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/cip/surveillance.htm)
Sluggish, I had a lot of fun when I was a kid too. There's nothing wrong with that. And my response to me not having anything to hide, it was my answer. It may be an old one and you don't have to agree, but I call them as I see it.
To make it real simple, a person (any person) works hard in his/her life to build a good reputation. That can be in the work force or in their personal lives. It sometimes takes a lifetime to build that reputation. But do one thing wrong and that reputation can be destroyed. I see this basic philosphy as a guideline in my life. I'm a no-nonsene type of man. Some may call it being a "boy scout", but in hindsight, I guess I've just grown up as my father would say to me.
Making a choice on what's ethical and right will always be the choice of the person. That's what make's this country great. We still have that right to choose and it's not against the law.
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You missed my point completely. Completely. If something catches an LEO's eye, whatever it may be, ESPECIALLY out of state plates on a back gravel road at 1am in the morning (I forgot the 1am thing in my previous post, my bad) in meth haven USA, this LEO is going to run your plates. If I pull up behind you and I see you twitching, not paying attention (conatantly looking somewhere else than dead ahead), constantly adjusting your mirror, looking down at your seat or into your backseat, I am going to run your plates. I run plates on "questionable" out of state plates as often as I can and like I said if Gpa and Gma are putzin' down the highway at 55mph and they have FL plates... the odds of them being snowbirds are quite high. The ones as of late, or so I am told, are the 1980's model cars with "Jesus is Lord" and other such omnious religious stickers on them. Those have been the shuttle of choice for meth runners in NW Iowa.
This is not an abuse, it is called patrolling. No one's "rights" are invaded if an LEO runs your plates. How do you think a good chunk of those people with warrants out on them get apprehended??? Some of you need to remove the tinfoil hat and veg out a bit. We're talking about checking your plates, not pulling you over, asking for "das papiers", and beating you for looking crossed eyed at the officer or not wearing your "Juden" armband. Lighten up, Francis.
Oh, and having a voice recorder and video in your own car not a bad idea. It will help you vs others in civil liabilities. Just keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of LEO's are mic'ed up and on video all the time when dealing with the public so if you are doing so because your tinfoil hat is too tight it isnt going to help you one bit vs an LEO. ;)
i well may have missed your point, and i want you to understand, that i mean absolutley no disrespect whatsoever in the things i say.
the gravel road, and 1am thing does change things a bit. actually in those circumstances, i'd almost think you'd run any tag, unless it was on a car that you recognized.
but now you mention about sitting at a traffic light, and doing anything other than staring straight ahead. the guy that sits and stares straight ahead, is the accident waiting to happen. like i said.....i know what's going on all around me all the time. that requires me to be turning my head, checking my mirrors, and if i'm in my cargo van, moving a bit in the seat to help lok into the blind spots. again, the guy driving, that is just staring straight ahead, is the accident waiting to happen, as he most likely has no clue what's about to hit him.
here in nj(i think) it's mostly tinted benzes, bmw, or rice burners, that they seem to catch the drug runners in. most common(used to be anyway) are florida or ny plates.
as for running plates.......so far no ones rights are.......i was referencing what's coming. remember when they said ezpass would never be used for anything other than paying tolls? well, again, here in jersey(and i would assume other places as well) there's been speeding tickets mailed out. they timed them from tollbooth to tollbooth. granted they were speeding, but in todays conditions, you take your life in your hands if you're on the highway only doing the speedlimit.
as for my recorders......i know most officers are. the locals in my area aren't yet. so that leaves it my word against his. 99% of the people out there will take the word of the officer over anyone else. the video and voice are impartial witnesses. and yes, it will help with any possible altercations with other motorists too.
my tinfoil hat fits me juuuust fine BTW.
here's one to ponder. i came home last night about 11:30pm. the 3 mile stretch of rt 30 that i drive had close to a dozen officers sitting in parking lots. it goes through lawnside, magnolia, somerdale, stratford, and laurel springs. 12 police officers. 3 miles. sitting there. light traffic that time of night. why? all of these towns, with the exception of laurel springs, has "problem" areas, where there's always something going on. so why are these guys sitting out near the road, rather than "protecting and serving" those areas, which also contain good families?
i've asked officers that i know, and never get a straight answer.....except from one, that did say that the town he used to patrol in does indeed have quotas.
anyway, those of you that are truly trying to make things better for the rest of us(you sound much more professional than our other pd friend) i <<S>> you. it's a job that i could never do.
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Cap, be careful about recording devices. If you record somebody's voice without their permission it is considered an illegal wire tap in Massachusetts. Here is the website that contains the NJ laws. I suggest you look up your state laws regarding this matter. http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/cip/surveillance.htm (http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/cip/surveillance.htm)
Sluggish, I had a lot of fun when I was a kid too. There's nothing wrong with that. And my response to me not having anything to hide, it was my answer. It may be an old one and you don't have to agree, but I call them as I see it.
To make it real simple, a person (any person) works hard in his/her life to build a good reputation. That can be in the work force or in their personal lives. It sometimes takes a lifetime to build that reputation. But do one thing wrong and that reputation can be destroyed. I see this basic philosphy as a guideline in my life. I'm a no-nonsene type of man. Some may call it being a "boy scout", but in hindsight, I guess I've just grown up as my father would say to me.
Making a choice on what's ethical and right will always be the choice of the person. That's what make's this country great. We still have that right to choose and it's not against the law.
thanks dude. i just checked. i thought nj was a 1 party state, and it is.
i only am doing this to protect myself. like you said.....i have a good rep in my area. i want it to stay that way, and if this is what i have to do to keep it good, then so be it. i hate the fact that i need to spend this money. it would go better to getting my race car ready for the season.
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Instead, officers are carrying a hi-cap autoloader pistol w/ appx 45-50 rounds on person (hit ratios have plummeted, btw), an Asp (collaspable metal baton), OC spray, a tazer, a knife (for cutting people out of a seatbelt ), 2 sets of handcuffs, a ballistic vest, a radio, enough trainging to take on 10 hoodlums in a fist fight, and the mentality of a drill instructor speaking to Gma (just be polite and say "Sir/Ma'am while being staunch and firm). Oh, did I mention the AR15 in the squad car that is reached for far too often? Our LEO force has become far too military in operation, imo. However, I undestand why and it a sad thing.
Thats funny. Ive been doing this in a blood drenched city for 25 years and I never saw an M-16 out once. But it sounded good Loon. Your penalty is one year without watching the movie "HEAT".
Cap1 when you start saying the exact same things time after time after time. When you end up posting to yourself speaking the same silly nonsense thread after thread after thread. This one is another case in point. It was a thread about License plate scanners and you turned it into ANOTHER of your fearful cop rants, just like you did the 30 preceding. Or was it 50?
What ARE you so afraid of that leaves you feeling like you have to get the entire community roiled up against their POs in every thread you can? What makes you tick dude? It must be Internet anonymity thats part of it. Your way to old to still be in that, "I wanna be a cop" stage.
i <<S>> you. it's a job that i could never do.
No. You couldn't Cap. You have it in your head that the way somebody dresses or the job they do is an automatic reflection of their character. Guys like you, with a chip on their shoulder and always afraid, dont last long on this job. People that say stuff like, "but I also know some good cops", tend to not stop there. Before you know it it becomes, "but I also know some good blacks" and on and on. When you start classifying people like that your going to end up with a problem and this is no job for someone afraid of their shadow.
it's why i have a voice recorder in my car now, and will have video very soon.
You've been saying that since I joined Aces High. My guess is you have neither, will have neither, but will be saying the same thing 2 years from now as well.
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Thats funny. Ive been doing this in a blood drenched city for 25 years and I never saw an M-16 out once. But it sounded good Loon. Your penalty is one year without watching the movie "HEAT".
LOL. Dont get me wrong, I didnt mean to make it sound as if the deputies and police were doing traffic stops with an AR15 slung over their shoulder. What I meant was that far too often LEO's are reaching for it for reasons that 20-30 years ago they wouldnt bat en eye at. Here out on the prairie where back up is 30 minutes or more away on some nights, there are some deputies and troopers that dont hesitate to reach for their AR15 especially if a "weapon" has been declared during the 911 call. Once on scene and a true sitrep can be made, the AR15 goes back into the trunk or cab rack. Some nights there are 2 deputies for 942 square miles and a single state trooper for backup #3. Not much help at all. FWIW, up until 1999, the deputies had hand-me-down M14's. :D
btw... the only scene I've watched in "Heat" was the meeting of Al and Robert in a resturant. I've seen stills of the street fight, but have yet to watch it. Matter of fact, I'll go watch it on YT right now.... :D
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Thats funny. Ive been doing this in a blood drenched city for 25 years and I never saw an M-16 out once. But it sounded good Loon. Your penalty is one year without watching the movie "HEAT".wildwood nj, and i think atlantic city carry assualt type rifles mounted in their trunks. at least they used to. saw them when i used to work for a radio installation company. htat was 15 years ago. that may have changed since then.
Cap1 when you start saying the exact same things time after time after time. When you end up posting to yourself speaking the same silly nonsense thread after thread after thread. This one is another case in point. It was a thread about License plate scanners and you turned it into ANOTHER of your fearful cop rants, just like you did the 30 preceding. Or was it 50?it's not even been 30, but think whatcha want. i'm curious though....what do you mean "posting to yourself"?
it still is about license plate scanners. i simply am makingt a point of how they WILL be abused. you(whether or not you'll admit it) know this as well as i do.
What ARE you so afraid of that leaves you feeling like you have to get the entire community roiled up against their POs in every thread you can?i have nothing to fear. clean record, good rep. i see how systems work though. good cops will never abuse anything. bad cops will. there's plenty of both. What makes you tick dude? It must be Internet anonymity that's part of it.nope. if we were all sitting in the same room having this conversation, I'd say the exact same things i am now. in fact, i was just talking to a cherry hill officer the other day about this thread. Your way to old to still be in that, "I wanna be a cop" stage. No. You couldn't Cap. You have it in your head that the way somebody dresses or the job they do is an automatic reflection of their character.no, the way someone dresses has nothing to do with how they do their job. BUT....the way people DO their jobs is a HUGE reflection on their character. Guys like you, with a chip on their shoulder and always afraid, don't last long on this job.again, not afraid of anything I'm good friends with they guy that used to be the chief of police in stratford. knew him since he was a patrolman. i can;t tell you the number of times that i heard stories of hoe he'd arrest someone....for beating their wife, or causing a pretty bad accident, or drunk driving, only to have them released. i can't tell you the number for times I've heard him talking about the person he's arrested over a half dozen times, always for the same thing. i hear this from all of my pd friends. THAT is what would be my limiting factor should i have become a cop. People that say stuff like, "but I also know some good cops", tend to not stop there. Before you know it it becomes, "but I also know some good blacks" and on and on.actually, all the cops i know ARE good cops. When you start classifying people like that your going to end up with a problem and this is no job for someone afraid of their shadow.i classify things as i seem them. no unjustified fears, whatsoever, although your statement sounds a bit racist/.
You've been saying that since I joined Aces High. My guess is you have neither, will have neither, but will be saying the same thing 2 years from now as well.i have neither what?
but now, if ya wanna talk about chips on our shoulders, the more you talk of your job in here, the more you sound like you've got a pretty big one on yours. rather than sound like that, you could try to educate people on these things.
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It's a pity you guys don't watch a bit more tv from abroad. If you'd watched the UK cop shows you'd note that they are kept so busy with stolen vehicles picked up by the plate scanner they have little time for anything else.