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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: HighTone on February 21, 2009, 01:27:04 AM
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Top Squads: Objects Destroyed
LCA: 74
353rd Fighter Group: 20
332nd Flying Mongrels: 15
Top Pilots: Objects Destroyed
Provost (353rd Fighter Group): 20
DAKone (LCA): 20
office (LCA): 13
40puppet (LCA): 12
cntrl (LCA): 10
xdan (LCA): 8
18whisky (LCA): 5
Enough said :rock
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nice going LCA, we intercepted you just a few miles from the TG, our Tonys were running low on ammo after we engaged the first wave of bombers but we did what we can.
i must say the Box you held in the front of the formation was impressive and intimidating, anything who got close saw a endless stream of tracers.
we picked up the lonely ones who didnt hold the formation well but one by one our cannons and MGs went dry and we RTBed leaving the TG alone.
if only we had N1ks.... <drool> ;)
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It helps when three or four guys in chutes over the middle of the task force are drawing ALL the AAA fire allowing the rest to make low-level bomb and strafing runs with impunity...
:noid
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That was me above the TG is a chute. I grabbed some great video of the group getting destroyed by my squadies. We didn't have much of a choice to stay tight, the 25's don't have much for defensive weapons. It was fun though.
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Nice job LCA. Just wondering if you guys managed to get any of the ships after we got whacked?
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WTG LCA! :salute
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Strato,
There were a total of 3-4 chutes altogether. I had a count.
Qrsu,
They sunk the rest of the ships after the cruiser went down. However three of the four destroyers were sunk while their AAA was distracted by the above-mentioned guys hanging in their chutes.
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:aok
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Well, what did you want them to do, go down in the plane. It really dosent matter if they bailed 5k ro 1k near the CV, the AA will still shoot at them.
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Actually, yes I would. Because then there wouldn't have been four guys slowly floating to the deck drawing fire from every gun in the task group. TG Ack is neutered in FSO as it is, and it doesn't help matters that this is such a well-known exploit.
I'm not saying it WAS intentional, but there's no way they could have NOT known about it.
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Seeing how chute or goin down with your aircraft is of no advantage in the consideration of receiving "half points" versus full points of the loss of their aircraft, There would be only 2 reasons to bail out in an FSO.
To provide intel reports on locations size and strengths, and to divert the ack fire. For some reason, the ack seems to see the chutes as a higher threat than the aircraft and stays focused on them instead of the aircraft. I have no clue as to how the AI chooses its targets.
But whether this was done intentional or just by accident, don't know.... but you can bet that now it is out in the open, it will be used to that affect more in the future by some that never realized of the great affect it may have on their strike initiative.
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I have always tried to bail in FSO and now that our squad tracks all records from FSO I try to punch out rather than take the death. But I have never used it to draw Ack fire or gather intel.
You get one life in most FSOs, I try to preserve it even if I am shot down.
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Kaz,
Problem is this exploit is ALREADY very well-known from the Mains. It's why you see guys dropping troops and supplies on enemy airfields while the AAA is still up.
Is there a way things can be set up to automatically send bailers back to the tower? The log records the a bail, but doesn't leave them hanging around? At the very least, I would think bailing with intent to draw AAA fire away from other aircraft should fall under the same category of someone bailing on an enemy airfield to CAP the runways with his .45.
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Hanging in your chute to draw ack is a new one on me, you think mabey it would be new to anyone else?
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Ive seen people in the MA, drop troops at 6K. Then let their friends vulch the field
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And it's not too far of a stretch to think someone might do the same from their chute.
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I've seen it before too Saxman. Is it really a wonder why folks shoot chutes? :huh
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For the record the guys had orders to sink the fleet at all cost and that's what they did. When the aircraft still flying had no room for others to join they bailed and watched. If you believe it was gaming the game then that's your right but it was never intended to draw flak or what ever you may believe Saxman. It was just determination to complete the mission and to the LCA and 353rd a big <S> to all.
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WTG again LCA. Some will cry foul as always, but we hit the primary target and that's a fact. I'm just thinking that besides the fact we didn't have a tail gun, or ESCOURTS!!!!!!! We still managed to bust through and leave the Jap fleet in lifeboats. :salute
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
Sax is doing the infantile babbling?
LCA killed the fleet... Fine, WTG you're heros and saved the world!
Hooray nobody else could do that!!! :rolleyes:
You've had more than one guy admit to being in a parachute over the fleet.
You just admitted to divebombing with B-25s.
While you're doing all this patting of your own back remember it was the 353rd that kicked the door open for you.
They took the brunt of the CAP before you arrived taking the heavy losses and using up the ammo of the CAP
There were 14 Japanese on CAP over the enemy fleet.
14-353rd pilots = 42 B-25s
20 LCA pilots=60 B-25s.
Give or take the loss of a drone that' roughly 102 vs 14.
Many of the 14 were out of ammo and some were down when you guys arrived on scene a few moments later.
So your 60 birds faced maybe 8-10 enemy at most and none of them had a full ammo load. Even with numbers like that you
had to resort to dive bombing with formations and putting parachutes over the fleet ack. I don't see what there is to brag about or take pride in. You certainly should have knocked your target out with numbers like those. But you boys seem to need it so...
WTG and by all means continue your bragging about achieving the mediocre after another squad the 353rd did the dirty work for you! WTG for bringing MA behavior to the SEA!
Golf Clap Golf Clap! You guys are so KWEL! :aok
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I don't believe anyone was comparing the LCA and 353rd, I know I wasn't, and I certainly wasn't bragging about how well we did. If you read a little slower maybe you will understand that the only thing I was pointing out was that the reason for my bail out was the fact that I couldn't seem to maneuver my ride without any wings, not to intentionally draw ack fire, I can't speak for anyone else in the squad.
<S> 353rd, Don't let this guy make you think for a second that I was trying to take anything away from your role. And if you read my post I'm sure you will clearly see that, I simply didn't like the accusation.
<S> LCA Sorry if my ignorance has taken away from your achievement. But then again he did say I was "KWEL"..? :confused: So I guess I got that going for me. :D It doesn't matter what I say its gonna get twisted around anyway, I should have followed my first instinct to not reply. LOL
:salute
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Golf Clap Golf Clap! You guys are so KWEL! :aok
<snip> sink the fleet at all cost... <snip> If you believe it was gaming the game then that's your right
:rofl
Dak you are absolutely correct, not only is it my (and the right of others)... it's just plain RIGHT. Bailing and absorbing ack from a chute IS gaming the game.
It wasn't so long ago that someone else interpreted their order to kill all enemy planes "at all cost" and they ended up bailing out of their damaged planes, walking to a rearm point, and "carrying out orders" :huh We see what that resulted in, new rules for FSO. I can only hope that the powers that be take a look at this in the same light.
:salute Shifty for calling it.
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Seeing how chute or goin down with your aircraft is of no advantage in the consideration of receiving "half points" versus full points of the loss of their aircraft, There would be only 2 reasons to bail out in an FSO.
To provide intel reports on locations size and strengths, and to divert the ack fire. For some reason, the ack seems to see the chutes as a higher threat than the aircraft and stays focused on them instead of the aircraft. I have no clue as to how the AI chooses its targets.
My squad has another reason to bail instead of going down with the aircraft. We keep track of our FSO stats. The fewer the deaths the better. For example here are our squad stats for 2008.
http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/Squad%20Stats08.htm (http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/Squad%20Stats08.htm)
If we are going down and don't think we can ditch it we will bail every time.
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My squad has another reason to bail instead of going down with the aircraft. We keep track of our FSO stats. The fewer the deaths the better. For example here are our squad stats for 2008.
http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/Squad%20Stats08.htm (http://www.332nd.org/dogs/daddog/Squad%20Stats08.htm)
If we are going down and don't think we can ditch it we will bail every time.
Our squad keeps track of our FSO scores as well. In fact the only awards we give are for our FSO activities.
I'd be the last person to fault anybody for bailing for the specific purpose of staying alive in an FSO event.
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dad,
I understand there's legitimate reasons to bail as opposed to riding your plane down. The problem is whether it was done intentionally or not bailing over a task group is TOO WELL KNOWN as an exploit. I believe .EF was turned on. That's all they needed to do, and no more problem.
But here's a solution for you: Allow the guns on the task group to be manned. That will put a stop to this practice REALLY quick when now you have 40mm BOFORS and 5" AAA batteries that aren't going to be distracted by something shiny. And maybe it will keep the level bombers, y'know, LEVEL.
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Kaz,
Problem is this exploit is ALREADY very well-known from the Mains. It's why you see guys dropping troops and supplies on enemy airfields while the AAA is still up.
Is there a way things can be set up to automatically send bailers back to the tower? The log records the a bail, but doesn't leave them hanging around? At the very least, I would think bailing with intent to draw AAA fire away from other aircraft should fall under the same category of someone bailing on an enemy airfield to CAP the runways with his .45.
not always i see numbers doing it a lot to because they dont know where to drop troops
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I too bailed out of my Ki84 after having my engine shot out (BigJim VF-17) did an .ef and got a successful bail so what's this arguement that hanging in the chute is "required"??? My stats showed I bailed successfully and thats it, no need to "hang" in the chute. Not sure about buff guys argueing about it either since they get 3 lives in the FSO to fighter pilots getting one, they had plenty of time to "see" the fight if they lost THREE planes in it. Truth is they lost 3 planes then got back on more as gunners and THEN bailed and Hung in the air if I read it correctly while the fighter jocks had to sit it out in the tower.
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LCA killed the fleet... Fine, WTG you're heros
Other than what I have quoted above, the rest of your post can be best described by taking the "F" out of your name.
And I must say that shooting down 5 B-25's in the FSO, and you made it back to base....that's pretty good, maybe you deserve a pat on the back. Clap Clap, your our Hero :salute
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Other than what I have quoted above, the rest of your post can be best described by taking the "F" out of your name.
And I must say that shooting down 5 B-25's in the FSO, and you made it back to base....that's pretty good, maybe you deserve a pat on the back. Clap Clap, your our Hero :salute
You said it, I didn't.
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Well, in my opinion, if U as a squad did a good job, others would have come here to post that and give U the recognition. But when U post about how good u did tends to show u trying to get recognition for what U have done when in all actuality, it wasn't all that great because many have done it before u, or it has been the norm for that type of action. Trust me, if u or your squad did good, Someone will post it, U shouldn't. That is my belief and one of the reasons why U never see a AK come on here saying how good we did till after someone alrdy recognizes it. We not out for pats on the back. We are here to do our best and have fun.
BTW, it easy to get that many objects destroyed on a TG. Each ship destroyer alone has like 20 objects, cruiser has about 40+ along with carrier.
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correct me if i am wrong but isnt buffs worth more points dying in mass numbers like that then the targets They destroyed? If so the whole point is kinda beating a dead horse as for as the patting oneself's back.
As far as what saxman was saying if done on purpose smells kinda gamey.
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Well, in my opinion, if U as a squad did a good job, others would have come here to post that and give U the recognition. But when U post about how good u did tends to show u trying to get recognition for what U have done when in all actuality, it wasn't all that great because many have done it before u, or it has been the norm for that type of action. Trust me, if u or your squad did good, Someone will post it, U shouldn't. That is my belief and one of the reasons why U never see a AK come on here saying how good we did till after someone alrdy recognizes it. We not out for pats on the back. We are here to do our best and have fun.
BTW, it easy to get that many objects destroyed on a TG. Each ship destroyer alone has like 20 objects, cruiser has about 40+ along with carrier.
BTW AKDogg you did a heck of a job in the FSO as well. You tied shifty with 5 kills, but you got shot down. So for now shifty is still our hero. Better luck next time.
:salute AK's...26 pilots, 59 kills.
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Well, in my opinion, if U as a squad did a good job, others would have come here to post that and give U the recognition. But when U post about how good u did tends to show u trying to get recognition for what U have done when in all actuality, it wasn't all that great because many have done it before u, or it has been the norm for that type of action. Trust me, if u or your squad did good, Someone will post it, U shouldn't. That is my belief and one of the reasons why U never see a AK come on here saying how good we did till after someone alrdy recognizes it. We not out for pats on the back. We are here to do our best and have fun.
Right on target.
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... So for now shifty is still our hero. Better luck next time...
Here's my new hero http://www.defenselink.mil/heroes/profiles/lockJ.html
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So this is a "Look at us! We did good! RECOGNIZE US, WE DESERVE YOUR ATTENTION!" kind of post?
:rolleyes:
Well I want recognition too! I hardly ever drive GV's and I killed one! LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl
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BTW AKDogg you did a heck of a job in the FSO as well. You tied shifty with 5 kills, but you got shot down. So for now shifty is still our hero. Better luck next time.
:salute AK's...26 pilots, 59 kills.
Ty, but my definition of a hero is not someone who lands/survives but one who saves his squady's which sometimes ends up sacrificing his own life to save his squady's. Dying is the norm of me but never empty handed or very rarely empty handed. Alot of times I will clr squady's 6 by either shooting the enemy down or drag them away so my squady's can escape and get home. 1 death is better then many deaths is how I look at it. So if I save 3 lives for my death, I happy. <S> :aok
BTW, I don't consider myself a hero as I feel it my duty as the CO for the FSO squad to get my guys home safely, even if requires me to kill myself.
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We've dropped tons of troops on Vbases to try to overwhelm the flaks in the MA, but havent tried the air base to bait the ack. We call it "Meat Chaff".
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This thread needs to end, quickly. Yeah, I kind of agree that posting to toot your own horn is silly, but big deal: all this arguing is making FSO look like the main arena.
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all this arguing is making FSO look like the main arena.
Funny... I thought the main arena tactics being used in an FSO event were actually causing that, not the arguing. :rolleyes:
Bailing and shooting folks on the runway with a .45 was dealt with, "meat chaff" :lol can be dealt with too if the powers that be see fit to rule on it.
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Funny... I thought the main arena tactics being used in an FSO event were actually causing that, not the arguing. :rolleyes:
Bailing and shooting folks on the runway with a .45 was dealt with, "meat chaff" :lol can be dealt with too if the powers that be see fit to rule on it.
As I said, allow people to man guns on task groups. It'll put a stop to the MA mentality REAL quick when dive-bombing BUFFs get blasted out of the air by thw=e 5" guns and 40mm BOFORS, and the TGs have AAA that can't be distracted by the "meat chaff."
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As I said, allow people to man guns on task groups. It'll put a stop to the MA mentality REAL quick when dive-bombing BUFFs get blasted out of the air by thw=e 5" guns and 40mm BOFORS, and the TGs have AAA that can't be distracted by the "meat chaff."
With the number of pilots in FSO now, it might not be a bad idea.
But FSO has never allowed enabling of Field and Ship Guns. The main reasoning behind that was the instant kill guns can ruin your night real quick. No one wants 1-ping deaths which is another reason why ack is turned down for FSO.
But like I mentioned above, it might be something that could change with the number of aircraft and pilots we have now.
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With the number of pilots in FSO now, it might not be a bad idea.
But FSO has never allowed enabling of Field and Ship Guns. The main reasoning behind that was the instant kill guns can ruin your night real quick. No one wants 1-ping deaths which is another reason why ack is turned down for FSO.
But like I mentioned above, it might be something that could change with the number of aircraft and pilots we have now.
There was on event that we did had a TF battle and PT boats battle. i believe it was the Turkey Shoot Event.
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It was over in Guadalcanal .. we had two fleets per side set in one sector and had them duke it out to simulate the naval battles that happened on Iron Bottom sound. Worked out nicely after a few kinks but it was ship to ship. Not ship to air.
As Nefarious says it might be time to revisit the issue with this many pilots. I never really had a problem with the 40mm and 20mm guns .. yes they are one hit kills when at normal lethality .. but also you have to get down close to them for them to be effective. The 5" guns are a different story.
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Funny... I thought the main arena tactics being used in an FSO event were actually causing that, not the arguing. :rolleyes:
Bailing and shooting folks on the runway with a .45 was dealt with, "meat chaff" :lol can be dealt with too if the powers that be see fit to rule on it.
Sure, let them make a rule that says a pilot may not ride his chute down over a CV or over a field to draw the AAA. But for now, there is no such rule.
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I was driving that task group and watching B-25's dive bomb it with the chutes above while all i could do was keep it turning was a bit unsavory. If a task group is that under armed I think at least a few guns should be manable to downed pilots. Although I'll say i don't think any expected that many bombers for 1 task group.
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Shifty
The post was not intended to take away anything from any of the Allied Squads especially yours. We could not have accomplished what we did without your crew. It was meant so take the Axis down a notch, not much of one as they have some great victories but just a notch. Just wanted to let them know the Allies kicked em hard also. <S> to you and your squad sir and the other Allied squads for their work and I apologize for all the LCA to you, your squad and the other Allied squads if our posting sounded as though we were bragging or the only squad to accomplish what was tasked. As for the chute issue and the rearm pad issue. Tunes as well as our squad was never informed that bailing on a field and shooting a pilot on the ground was not acceptable. After it was told to us it hasn't happened again. The chutes were members of our squad cheering on the remaining bombers to destroy the Task Group that we were assign to destoy & that was all. We did not intentionally do it to divert ack as others Assume we did. However we in the future will assure that when we bail we are clear of any ack or .EF if we cannot manuveur the aircraft out far enough to ditch or bail. <S> Aliies and Axis teams
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Just an FYI...
Both threads (this being one of them) regarding Axis domination of Frame 2 were started BY THE ALLIED SIDE. There was no need to take the Axis "Down a Notch" because the Axis didn't come on the boards tooting their own horns about it.
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No problem or hard feelings DakOne. I could have handled it better myself.
Good luck to you guys this week. :aok
<S>
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Wow! what a bunch of whining!
The LCA is a proud squad, a tight squad... We have pilots from every range in the spectrum.. Cheating is severely frowned upon.. I find the accusation offensive.. I can't recall ever being told to 'game the game' in FSO... Ever.. It is a ridiculous notion.. And I apologize now for the tone of this post but that really rubbed me the wrong way..
If HighTone wants to congratulate his pilots he should.. I am certain he did not intend to take anything away from the other squads..
Do we need to ask your permission to bail sax? Give me a break.. We are all grown men and should act like it...
Gentlemen, THIS IS A CARTOON GAME.. :rock
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Top Squads: Objects Destroyed
LCA: 74
353rd Fighter Group: 20
332nd Flying Mongrels: 15
Top Pilots: Objects Destroyed
Provost (353rd Fighter Group): 20
DAKone (LCA): 20
office (LCA): 13
40puppet (LCA): 12
cntrl (LCA): 10
xdan (LCA): 8
18whisky (LCA): 5
Enough said :rock
Without the LCA on the MA, I think I may have pulled a Banshee on everyone. :)
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Bailing and shooting folks on the runway with a .45
:lol
This didn't actually happen, did it?
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Yes it did, hence why we are forced to put in writing that which need not normally be. Kind of like "do not touch" signs on high tension lines.
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Yes it did, hence why we are forced to put in writing that which need not normally be. Kind of like "do not touch" signs on high tension lines.
I've searched for that thread to no avail unfortunately. I seem to remember it being one of the... "Hey look what we did!" as they busted caps in helpless pilots heads :lol
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The thread may have been sanitized, as things often get out of hand in such topics.
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Well in defence of the LCA they came back to the same spot this week in fighters and gave us a bloody nose not to mention killed the fleet again.
This subject can probably drop now. Good job last Friday LCA.
<S>
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Thank you Shifty <S>