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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: waystin2 on February 24, 2009, 09:34:37 AM
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Dear HTC,
For the good of the community please consider deactivating channel 200 as it would definitely limit some of the strife we see in game and on the BBS.
Sincerely,
Way
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It's very simple, really,
.radio 2 201
Voila! 200 is deactivated.
:)
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Hello Vudak,
I know how to deactivate for myself. The wish still stands.
Have a great day,
Way
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If you know how to deactivate it for yourself, why do you want to deactivate it for everyone? Seems to me that the "good community" would already have 200 de-tuned anyway. Or, like me, just read it for what it is and ignore it.
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If you know how to deactivate it for yourself, why do you want to deactivate it for everyone? Seems to me that the "good community" would already have 200 de-tuned anyway. Or, like me, just read it for what it is and ignore it.
My thought was that some of those who always bring up improving gameplay and MA behavior would be quick to jump on this bandwagon. I do not tune, but most references to 200 on the boards most definitely show a detrimental effect on behavior in the MA's. Can anyone honestly say that it is more of a benefit than a detraction to the community?
Have a great day,
Way
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I honestly believe it has more benefit than detriment. I'm also glad it's a free-choice option and not an obligatory setting as it once was.
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I honestly believe it has more benefit than detriment. I'm also glad it's a free-choice option and not an obligatory setting as it once was.
Hello Vudak,
I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit...In what way is it beneficial to the community? I concur on the free choice by the way, but I wonder if that is a good or a bad thing for the community.
Have a great day,
Way
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Hello Vudak,
I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit...In what way is it beneficial to the community? I concur on the free choice by the way, but I wonder if that is a good or a bad thing for the community.
Have a great day,
Way
I'm not trying to be short here (just short on time), but basically:
1. Makes it easier to talk to people on other country (I'm an optimist and see this as a good thing);
2. Makes it easier for guys to talk about their fights (again, I think this is a good thing, or at least could be given the right people);
3. Helps foster community spirit of a fun sports league and not wartime spirit of hostile countries at war (which I think is also a good thing).
There's jerks and negatives of course, but I try to focus on the bright situations.
I'm sure someone will be here shortly to expand on what I've mentioned.
:salute
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I agree with vudak, but will add that all the stupidity and "drama" is also very entertaining. I rarely participate in it, but it is funny following it :lol
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Can anyone honestly say that it is more of a benefit than a detraction to the community?
Yes. Pretty much any time I log into one of the LW's I meet and greet old friends over 200. It's a cross country channel where anyone can detune if they don't like the content just like the other 98 cross country channels, and it is also a channel can be moderated.
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Thank you Gentlemen for responding. I have been in the Aces High community long enough that I too have begun developing friends on all three sides of the border. I am happy that it is moderated, as like others I have a 4 year old that likes to look over daddy's shoulder to see the game. These two things are of great importance to the community's health.
What I have not heard anyone mention or touch on the nonconstructive conversations that occur on 200(trash-talking, name calling, accusations, etc.). I think it is an unhealthy aspect of this communication ability. Especially when it involves newer players to the game, or those who can't seem to keep themselves in control. Can anyone give some insight on this and how they feel about 200's use in this manner?
Have a great day,
Way
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The tools are there for this community to police itself.
If you fail to set a good example, or use those tools, or ostracize those who abuse 200, then you are stuck with the result. HTC can't do it all, this community needs to do its share as well.
"Smack talk" has long been tolerated provided its kept below a certain level.
I'm not so sure with hindsight, that it should have been.
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I consider channel 200 sorta like gun control.
I don't tune it.. much like I don't own a gun.
However, I believe that those who wish to tune and use the channel have the right to do so. As I support the rights of others to own guns.
Some use it for good purposes. Comraderie, friendship, playful banter, instructional, and as a glorified chat room.
Others use it for bad purposes. Personal attacks, bigotry, hatred of all kinds.
Since a lot of such content is really subjective to the audience at hand, it is impossible to define a hard and fast set of what is and what is not allowed. The best you can come up with are 'guidelines'.. which, by definition, invites a whole culture of twits that seem to go out of their way to define where the limits of such guidelines are. Almost like a game within a game.
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It's very simple, really,
.radio 2 201
Voila! 200 is deactivated.
:)
+1
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Dear HTC,
For the good of the community please consider deactivating channel 200 as it would definitely limit some of the strife we see in game and on the BBS.
Sincerely,
Way
If they deactivate 200, the new 200 will be 201.
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Dear HTC,
For the good of the community please consider deactivating channel 200 as it would definitely limit some of the strife we see in game and on the BBS.
Sincerely,
Way
AI drones like you got their wish way back, when ch 1 became the faux <S> channel and 200 was made optional.
I bet you want everyone to live and act the way *you* think is proper, no? Pass.
<edit> If you're concerned about what your 4 year old may see (or hear)... it's all on *you.* Besides, you still find comparable drama over 2 channels we *can't* de-tune... ch 2 and range vox. Vox is simple enough to get around via headphones or disabling it totally.
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200 is like Comedy Central in a way.
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sad thing is...i get in more trouble on country channel than i do on 200 :lol
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Yes 200 is nothing compared to making an unpopular move with a carrier. :rolleyes:
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Dear HTC,
For the good of the community please consider deactivating channel 200 as it would definitely limit some of the strife we see in game and on the BBS.
Sincerely,
Way
Don't tune to it. It is a choice, not an obligation.
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channel 200 is a choice you get to make...tune or not to tune...unlike squad size of 32...with that, you have no choice (even if there are work arounds to get more than 32 to people chatting at the same time on a closed channel).
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We need some kind of cross-country communication, I'm not a big fan of such a channel being voluntary but it is better than nothing at all.
Can you imagine a AH Convention without cross-country communcation?
"Hey! Good to meet you, I have heard of you, did you fly for the Knights?"
"No, I flew for the bish."
A good community is reliant on good communication, in addition to other key components.
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Waystin, as others have said you have to tune ch200, it isn't madatory. If you don't like it simply tune off of it. 200 is great IMO, you can talk with friends or foes across countries, talk some smack (which does have it's place in game) and call other people out for lame behavior. It's there for a reason, I say use it. If you can't handle it, don't. Or stop flying like a squealing tard so you don't get ridiculed on it.
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Thank all of you Gentleman for your responses. Let me reiterate a few things: I know 200 is not mandatory, I do not tune 200, the purpose of the thread was limiting or stopping what I think is the negative aspect of channel 200 and it's related impact on the AH community. So far only one person has acknowledged that maybe the smack talk may not be good for the community's health (reference Ghosth's post). So anybody else willing to talk about the less attractive side of 200 or will I receive more replies that let me know it is not mandatory and I can detune 200? I sincerely value all of the input, and look forward to hearing from anyone on this subject and related wish.
Have a great day,
Way
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So you want to hear about the less-attractive side to channel 200, eh? Well what do you want to hear about? The smack talk? the frustration bubbling over? The blow-ups and meltdowns?
Let me tell you something, Waystin… I don’t know how good you are at this game. Me? Well, I’m not “great,” but I’ve reached a level where I’m not “bad” either. In fact, I’ve reached the level where I have to start going out of my way to make this game fun for me.
I have to give up my six regularly to get anyone to commit to a fight;
I have to give up my six to at least two people if I have any intentions on getting on one of their sixes and having them stick around during the fight;
I have to fly far away from my friends so they won’t inadvertently try to even the odds and thus scare the bad guys away;
I have to fly lower than everyone;
I have to fly slower than everyone;
I have to fly my planes to the other guy’s strengths and to my weaknesses, or again, he’ll be running away;
Basically, I have to be everyone else’s ***** in every sortie I make, if I want to have any chance of somehow tricking someone in the main arena to put in an effort to get on my six and shoot me down.
9/10 times this works out very poorly for me. I keep paying this subscription for two reasons: The 1/10, and the friends I’ve made over the years. 200 helps me keep in touch with those friends.
Now does 200 also bruise some egos, hurt some feelings, and just go way over the line from time to time? Absolutely. But from my perspective, I’m more concerned with the reasons why these bad things exist than the fact that they do.
If you go through this game trying to extend courtesies to other players by trying not to gang, trying to give them a clean first merge, accepting all comers and not running away from everything… Basically by trying to make sure they have a fighting chance at a fair, fun, fun fight… Well, if you try to do those things, you soon realize that these same courtesies will almost never be extended to you, and it starts to get old fast.
As for myself, I usually manage to hit Alt+F4 and log without too much 200 banter. Not everyone does that… Then again, I’ve only been feeling this way a few years whereas others might have 6-8 or more… Maybe eventually the “dark side” will get me too. Still, I have to say I’m much more sympathetic to most of the guys talking the smack than those receiving it. If that’s the price to pay for having them (the few who fight) remain in this game, so be it.
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I'm just curious here....
How many Folks use the "cross Country" feature of channel 6, the "Help" Channel?
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Thank all of you Gentleman for your responses. Let me reiterate a few things: I know 200 is not mandatory, I do not tune 200, the purpose of the thread was limiting or stopping what I think is the negative aspect of channel 200 and it's related impact on the AH community. So far only one person has acknowledged that maybe the smack talk may not be good for the community's health (reference Ghosth's post). So anybody else willing to talk about the less attractive side of 200 or will I receive more replies that let me know it is not mandatory and I can detune 200? I sincerely value all of the input, and look forward to hearing from anyone on this subject and related wish.
Have a great day,
Way
I don't see what your trying to get to here. Yes there is garbage on 200 but its never going to go away, both the garbage or the cross country channel. There are bad drivers on the road, did you write congressmen? In all things you have to take the good with the bad. HTC gives you the option to NOT tune so you don't even have to take the "bad". Too many people still use it as a way to talk with their friends and talk over fights with the enemy. Maybe some day when the crap that bubbles up now and then is the norm and people no longer use it to just chat then maybe you should post the wish then.
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...but most references to 200 on the boards most definitely show a detrimental effect on behavior in the MA's.
Chicken/egg. Could just as easily say:
...but most references to behavior in the MA's on the boards most definitely show a detrimental effect on 200.
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I don't see what your trying to get to here.
Hello Fugitive,
Like yourself and many others I am very concerned about the health of the game and it's associated community. The last few months have seen many posts about gameplay and player behavior going downhill. It is my feeling that not all of the "downhill" things are lack of ACM training, or flying in a horde, NOE's, etc. Some of the problems are found in the way folks interact within the game and on the boards. I thought I had identified something that was a source of unhealthy player behavior in both veteran and new pilots alike. Obviously by the posts so far, I must be wrong. It was a sincere effort to put forth an idea that may have shut down some of the less desirable interactions within Aces High, hopefully improving the atmosphere within the game and community. I sincerely appreciate all who have responded.
Have a great day,
Way
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Hello Fugitive,
Like yourself and many others I am very concerned about the health of the game and it's associated community. The last few months have seen many posts about gameplay and player behavior going downhill. It is my feeling that not all of the "downhill" things are lack of ACM training, or flying in a horde, NOE's, etc. Some of the problems are found in the way folks interact within the game and on the boards. I thought I had identified something that was a source of unhealthy player behavior in both veteran and new pilots alike. Obviously by the posts so far, I must be wrong. It was a sincere effort to put forth an idea that may have shut down some of the less desirable interactions within Aces High, hopefully improving the atmosphere within the game and community. I sincerely appreciate all who have responded.
Have a great day,
Way
Most of us here are on the same page; the issue, I think, is that most everyone is desirous of achieving an improvement in overall game play without enacting artificial blockades upon the player-base.
Removing a feature from the category of "player choice," like tuning 200, and placing it in the category of "game dictated" might solve one problem - but it definitely will cause another.
Either way, take the criticism of your idea with a grain of salt. At least your trying to brainstorm. :salute
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Hello Fugitive,
Like yourself and many others I am very concerned about the health of the game and it's associated community. The last few months have seen many posts about gameplay and player behavior going downhill. It is my feeling that not all of the "downhill" things are lack of ACM training, or flying in a horde, NOE's, etc. Some of the problems are found in the way folks interact within the game and on the boards. I thought I had identified something that was a source of unhealthy player behavior in both veteran and new pilots alike. Obviously by the posts so far, I must be wrong. It was a sincere effort to put forth an idea that may have shut down some of the less desirable interactions within Aces High, hopefully improving the atmosphere within the game and community. I sincerely appreciate all who have responded.
Have a great day,
Way
I see what your saying, but I don't think removing it would help, more than it would hurt. Too many people use it correctly and enjoy it. There is a bit more crap these days over what we use to have. "Smack talking" and taunting" an enemy has always been in the game....even "Tokyo Rose" used it tho I'm sure I'll get jumped on for bringing in WWII ! :D Maybe a better policing of the channel would be in order. I know the mods do what they can, but are they doing enough? I don't know what guidelines HTC gives their mods so I don't know if they are following them to the letter and HTC is too easy on the community, or if they are not as heavy handed as HTC wishes them to be. Either way, I believe that we could do with a bit of "toning down" in the verbal assault in the MA's.
Taking away channel 200 because there is a problem is like taking away the spit 16's :devil
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Going to put it as simple as i can.
When you take the pig pen away from the pigs, they will just want to come inside.
At least the smack talk and such is KEPT on 200, and hardly flows over to Country chat, also making it easy to monitor.
Let 200 stay so the pigs have a place to play. :salute
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dont like it dont tune it simple
police yourself if you cant handle it
ht disabled channel all and made 200
200 is a channel that has to be tuned thus by tunning it you except the terms of reading something
you may not like
-1 on this wish makes no sense
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The best you can come up with are 'guidelines'.. which, by definition, invites a whole culture of twits that seem to go out of their way to define where the limits of such guidelines are. Almost like a game within a game.
as is the retaliation, but in general 200 is entertaining and I have met pilots who live nearby
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Dear HTC,
For the good of the community please consider deactivating channel 200 as it would definitely limit some of the strife we see in game and on the BBS.
Sincerely,
Way
If 200 is outlawed, only outlaws will have 200.
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I don't see what your trying to get to here. Yes there is garbage on 200 but its never going to go away, both the garbage or the cross country channel. There are bad drivers on the road, did you write congressmen? In all things you have to take the good with the bad. HTC gives you the option to NOT tune so you don't even have to take the "bad". Too many people still use it as a way to talk with their friends and talk over fights with the enemy. Maybe some day when the crap that bubbles up now and then is the norm and people no longer use it to just chat then maybe you should post the wish then.
Thats almost like saying, there is corruption in the government but its never gunna go away, Its the job of the community to listen to wishlists not bash people when they come up with an idea, personally I think there has to be a cross country channel but I do think 200 is not moderated enough, I dont think a noob (bomber421 or whatever he was) calling someone out for switching sides should be allowed, so I vote that strict punishments be set on people who critize peoples gameplay in a harsh manner.
HO tards, country hopping, horde tards all of these should get people muted in my opinion :salute
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a tad sensitive are we? :noid
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a tad sensitive are we? :noid
Infantrymen have no time to be sensitive :D
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Infantrymen have no time to be sensitive :D
nor time to develop opinions. :devil
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and the worm turns full circle................
Channel 1 is now set to "Off" in the MA's. Channel 200 is a channel of choice as is any channel between 200 to 300. (or is it 200 to 400?)
If you dont like it switch it off..............
If folk wish to bring their playground politics, perverted views and general smack head talk onto 200 or on the BB you are empowered to ignore it and mods may "scrutinize such input" with a view toward the contributers long/short term participation in the game.
Responsibility still lies with the abuser even if the "system" allows such abuse. Get rid of the abuser and the "system" can be enjoyed by nonabusers.
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Typical American remedy nowadays....If I don't like something I don't want anyone to have it. 200 channel is great. If you disagree then detune it.........simple really :salute
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Thats almost like saying, there is corruption in the government but its never gunna go away, Its the job of the community to listen to wishlists not bash people when they come up with an idea, personally I think there has to be a cross country channel but I do think 200 is not moderated enough, I dont think a noob (bomber421 or whatever he was) calling someone out for switching sides should be allowed, so I vote that strict punishments be set on people who critize peoples gameplay in a harsh manner.
HO tards, country hopping, horde tards all of these should get people muted in my opinion :salute
LOL!!! Thats what government is all about! Didn't they teach you history, yes there will ALWAYS be corruption in government.
I didn't "bash" the OP, I asked for clarification. Basically the OP doesn't want 200 to go away, he'd like it cleaned up. His idea was that all the "negativity" flowing back and forth was part of what is taking the fun out of the game, much like some believe vulching does, or hording. He was just suggesting HTC do away with another he thinks is ruining the game. My guess is he like the cross communication, but doesn't like all the BS that flys across at times.
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I didn't "bash" the OP, I asked for clarification. Basically the OP doesn't want 200 to go away, he'd like it cleaned up. His idea was that all the "negativity" flowing back and forth was part of what is taking the fun out of the game, much like some believe vulching does, or hording. He was just suggesting HTC do away with another he thinks is ruining the game. My guess is he like the cross communication, but doesn't like all the BS that flys across at times.
Hello Fugitive & Junky my young Pig-O-Wan,
You are correct Fugitive. There was no ugliness, just good discussion.
Have a great day,
Way
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HO tards, country hopping, horde tards all of these should get people muted in my opinion :salute
I should get muted for switching countries to find a better fight or even out the sides better?
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I should get muted for switching countries to find a better fight or even out the sides better?
nope... but you should get muted for being a Bengals fan. :noid
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I'm just curious here....
How many Folks use the "cross Country" feature of channel 6, the "Help" Channel?
I wonder how eager HTC would be to squash abuse of this well-meaning channel.
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I should get muted for switching countries to find a better fight or even out the sides better?
No im saying people who complain about you switching sides on 200 should get muted :salute
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nor time to develop opinions. :devil
If you met me in real life you would see Im one of those people who are always right, because I am :D
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If you met me in real life you would see Im one of those people who are always right, because I am :D
and if would read my sig, you'd see I am as well. :aok
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200 is great. You don't even have to detune when somebody is rattling your cage on there. Just squelch them, problem solved. Seriously though, why would anyone take 200 banter seriously? If somebody calls you out and it hits home, it is probably true. Otherwise, it's all in good fun.
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I get alot of lauhs with 200-kinda like a free comedy show-and to say hello to friends in other countries