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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: HAMMERR on March 09, 2009, 02:00:53 AM
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I recently went from running a 7600GT Nvidia card to the new Radeon 4850. In all my other games the increase in performance is massive, usually double average framerate, triple max frame rate, and In most games I've gone from using moderate settings to full out ones in Battlefield 2, COD4, WoW, Crysis,etc at 1680x1050 resolution.
In Aces high however, in the Offline area and utilizing the same aircraft, I recieve about 1/2 the average FPS with the new ATI card. Does Aces High haveATI Issues? is there a setting I need to change? I utilized the 7600 in "performance" mode and turned off every setting except 4x AA to smooth the jaggies. The ATI card I can even do everything turned to performance or off and it is still slower in AH.
Both cards were installed with an AMD 4000+ 64 single core, 2 gbs ram, DFI Lanparty NF2-UT-Ultra motherboard. Installed textres are always 1024, AH internal program options maxxed.
Partially related, I noticed that if I alt tab out of AHII and back in with the ATI card, I lose the anti aliasing at 4x until I exit and restart AHII. Nvidia could alt tab in and out with impunity.
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To clarify further. I use the 60fps lock setting for both cards. The Nvidia card holds 45-55 fps and the ATI card spends a lot of time in the 25ish range
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Download the ATI Tray Tools and uninstall the ATI Catalyst Control Center.
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Do not limit the frame rate using the option in the game's "Video Settings" unless you are experiencing vide tearing.
Run the game with "Vertical Sync" forced on in the video card.
And like Masherbrum stated, get rid of the Catalyst Control Center and use Ray Adams ATI Tray Tools instead.
No, Aces High does not have issues with ATI cards. I have an ATI 4850 and 4870 at home, and use a 1600 at work. The biggest problem comes from switching between ATI and NVidia and not properly removing all remants of the other driver. It is imperative a driver cleaner be used to make sure all registry settings have been purged when you switch from one manufacturer to another.
You could also be running into CPU related performance caps. Aces High II is more CPU dependent than video card dependent as modeling flight does take more CPU power than any FPS game would. On my 4850, at home, with vertical sync disabled, offline, 1280x1024 resolution, 4XAA, 0xAF, high res textures installed, setting in the cockpit of a B24 on the NE runway of ndisles, mine is getting between 145 and 154FPS.
If you run games that are very video card dependent, they will run better with the 4850 versus the 7600GT, but games which are CPU dependent will not see as much of an advantage.
My home computer is an Intel Core2 E8400@3.71Ghz.
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Can you recommend a quality driver cleaner?
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You might ask in the "Hardware and Software" forums, as I have never used one. Whenever I have switched between ATI and Nvidia, I bite the bullet and re-install the OS.
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My good friend and tech support guru suggested Driver Cleaner Pro. Its freeware, and can be found with a google search. He's never used it to switch between brands of video cards, but uses it constantly to update his video drivers, and has had no issues with conflicts. (I on the other hand, figure if it isn't broke, don't fix it category).
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i had the same issue my 9600 GSO is 4X faster then my old 6600 but the frame rates just dropped from 60+ constant on my 6600 to 10-12 and it spikes back up to 60+
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i just recently got duel ati radeon 4850 crossfire. I run about 75fps but would like to see if i can get more. any ideas on how i can do this, also i dont think that i have a v-sync option in my ccc but i do have a vertical refresh. is that the same thing or am i doing something wrong?
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switching to a earlier driver seemed to clear up my issue
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i just recently got duel ati radeon 4850 crossfire. I run about 75fps but would like to see if i can get more. any ideas on how i can do this, also i dont think that i have a v-sync option in my ccc but i do have a vertical refresh. is that the same thing or am i doing something wrong?
You need to ditch the Catalyst Control Panel and install Ray Adams "ATI Tray Tools". You can get it at http://www.guru3d.com
All the Best...
Jay
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Do not limit the frame rate using the option in the game's "Video Settings" unless you are experiencing vide tearing.
Run the game with "Vertical Sync" forced on in the video card.
And like Masherbrum stated, get rid of the Catalyst Control Center and use Ray Adams ATI Tray Tools instead.
No, Aces High does not have issues with ATI cards. I have an ATI 4850 and 4870 at home, and use a 1600 at work. The biggest problem comes from switching between ATI and NVidia and not properly removing all remants of the other driver. It is imperative a driver cleaner be used to make sure all registry settings have been purged when you switch from one manufacturer to another.
You could also be running into CPU related performance caps. Aces High II is more CPU dependent than video card dependent as modeling flight does take more CPU power than any FPS game would. On my 4850, at home, with vertical sync disabled, offline, 1280x1024 resolution, 4XAA, 0xAF, high res textures installed, setting in the cockpit of a B24 on the NE runway of ndisles, mine is getting between 145 and 154FPS.
If you run games that are very video card dependent, they will run better with the 4850 versus the 7600GT, but games which are CPU dependent will not see as much of an advantage.
My home computer is an Intel Core2 E8400@3.71Ghz.
Skuzzy
how did you bump your cpu up to 3.71?
I have a sapphire 4850 and the E8400 running stock speeds on a gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P board now. What do you use for cooling?
thanks
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I run the memory FSB at 533Mhz, with a 1:1 ratio to the CPU and lock the I/O bus at 400Mhz. Then set the CPU multipler to 7. You need RAM that can run at 533Mhz though.
I used the Thermaltake Ultra 120 for the HSF. Keeps the CPU at, or below, 40C when under load. 25C when idle.
Just keep in mind, overclocking like this can cause damage if you are not careful. If you decide to take on this type of modification, then be prepared for the worst, which is to say, a CPU and motherboard being burned out.
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how much improvement will the ray adams product give me?
it does not show support for Vista
i run the 4870 card now set at
840mhz gpu clock
485mhz memory clock
i used the ati overdrive to set mine up
my computer is an
x-4,9550 amd phenom quad core
5120 mb system memory
750 gb hard drive
my frame rates run about 50 to 60 most of the time,
i would like higher frame rates say 75 to 85,
but i am not all that computer savy
i am probably lucky i have not crashed this one yet!
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the 9550 is only a 2.2ghz per core so theres plenty of room to upgrade your CPU spee. which would help improve your frames a little
the new AM3 chips X4 810 are 2.6
X3 720 is 2.8ghz and BE (unlocked multiplier)
X3 710 is 2.6
theses are much better then the agena cored phenom's and come with more cache
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See Rule #4
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On my 4850, at home, with vertical sync disabled, offline, 1280x1024 resolution, 4XAA, 0xAF, high res textures installed, setting in the cockpit of a B24 on the NE runway of ndisles, mine is getting between 145 and 154FPS.
On which field is that?
I get this sitting on the runways at A1 with a B24 in default skin:
NW: 47fps, NE: 45-50, SE: 50-55, SW: 50. Seems really slow.
The AH video settings (click for full size):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3370264253_5e53309c65_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3370264253_f1fbfe826c_o.png)
The in-game graphics detail settings:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/3370249899_ae65569b3b_m.jpg)
The nvidia settings:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3371051936_83c28a1d23_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3371051936_52d4f645c8_o.png)
Processes from task manager (minus AH):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3371072454_d6dc71f900_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3371072454_cdc4351bac_o.png)
Hardware:
AMD 3600+ X2
2x2GB of Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X4096-6400C5.pdf)
Asus M2N-SLI motherboard
XFX nvidia 9800GTX+ and GTX+ XXX in SLI, 178.2 drivers (everything else hangs the system as soon as the drivers install)
Audigy SE
WinXP SP2 with all the updates
DxDiag report... (http://taenia.homestead.com/files/DxDiag_090320.txt) I had to re-enable the onboard sound to get the microphone working. Everything else muted it (zero signal).
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My in-game graphic detail settings were all at the defaults.
I was on field A1.
I would chalk it up to the differences in CPU/memory between your system and mine.
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See Rule #2
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So the two cards in SLI are really not much help, so much as a faster processor would be. Like a ~6000+ X2? Do you think there'd be big payoffs on a bit of overclocking the memory? Or is there anything I can do to safely optimize its settings? I'm not looking for any big time overclocking.
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My experience with AMD is limited moot. I suggest you hit the "Hardware and Software" forum as there are others who have more experience with that than I would.
In general, a faster CPU/memory combination will yeild better results with Aces High II, then a faster video card simply due to the amount of time we spend handling the flight model.
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Thanks Skuzzy. I was surprised because I get some pretty bad fps (as low as 15fps) in thick furballs and/or ground detail (e.g. some fields where there's heavy forest tiles all around), but I guess the other players' planes have some physics cost to them too, not just position updates.
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On which field is that?
I get this sitting on the runways at A1 with a B24 in default skin:
NW: 47fps, NE: 45-50, SE: 50-55, SW: 50. Seems really slow.
The AH video settings (click for full size):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3370264253_5e53309c65_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3370264253_f1fbfe826c_o.png)
The in-game graphics detail settings:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/3370249899_ae65569b3b_m.jpg)
The nvidia settings:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3371051936_83c28a1d23_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3371051936_52d4f645c8_o.png)
Processes from task manager (minus AH):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3371072454_d6dc71f900_m.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3661/3371072454_cdc4351bac_o.png)
Hardware:
AMD 3600+ X2
2x2GB of Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X4096-6400C5.pdf)
Asus M2N-SLI motherboard
XFX nvidia 9800GTX+ and GTX+ XXX in SLI, 178.2 drivers (everything else hangs the system as soon as the drivers install)
Audigy SE
WinXP SP2 with all the updates
DxDiag report... (http://taenia.homestead.com/files/DxDiag_090320.txt) I had to re-enable the onboard sound to get the microphone working. Everything else muted it (zero signal).
you can easily bump your cpu speed for every little to fix your CPU part . you got a kick bellybutton video setup and i think the 3600+ is more of a bottleneck its a windsor core and 2.0ghz with 256k cache. you should move up to a brisbane or kuma core
the kuma 7750 is fastest X2 and can be had for 63.00 at newegg.
the 6400+ the fastes brisbane core is like 73.00 at newegg.
also a side note the 9500 X4 quad cores can be had for 89.99 at tiger direct and run at 2.2ghz speed and come with a agena core w/ 512k cash
and the toliman X3 flavors can be had for 70-90
all depends on money really
i know skuzzy has stated problems with the X2's but the triple and quads are okay
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I'll look at those, thanks.