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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: rod367th on March 12, 2009, 10:51:21 AM
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please turn off all mandatory channel. so those who really hate BS and feel they have to respond to nonsense can play peace. I'm probally worst at responding to moronic statements and out right lies on all channel. its off main should be off rest unless guy was to tune it.
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.squelch 1
wrongway
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.squelch 1
wrongway
No solution.
If you squelch 1, you can't see any salutes made with .s command anymore.
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so those who really hate BS and feel they have to respond to nonsense can play peace.
Hmmm, how's about ignoring the text and not responding if you so choose?
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Hmmm, how's about ignoring the text and not responding if you so choose?
How about respecting a very legitimate wish? The all-channel clogs up the text buffer with crap and can cause you to miss more significant message for squad mates and country-men. The same goes for the DA.
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Hmmm, how's about ignoring the text and not responding if you so choose?
Following that logic, there would have never been any reason to delete channel 1 from the MA's at all.
My main reason for disabling channel 1 in EW & MW: New players, that often hop into the first arena on the list, get into contact far too soon with all that crap on 1.
EW is basically non-policed by mods and it shows. It's prolly the arena with highest density of insults, lies and cheating allegations.
Also the new ones are merrily broadcasting every step over CH 1, so everybody knows where they are going all the time.
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How about respecting a very legitimate wish?
Not sure how my reply showed any disrespect, just an alternative way to deal with the problem.
EW is basically non-policed by mods and it shows. It's prolly the arena with highest density of insults, lies and cheating allegations.
Also the new ones are merrily broadcasting every step over CH 1, so everybody knows where they are going all the time.
Yeah, EW seems to be generally looked-down upon by the masses. I'm not sure why...maybe because most of those people can't (or won't) fly anything but their late-war uber planes. As for all the allegations of cheating...again it's mainly by those who spend most of their time in LW and have no idea how to fly or fight in the EW planes and armor.
There are fewer regulars in EW than other arenas, so you get to know them a bit better. This tends to intensify both the positive and negative aspects of human interaction. And I agree that it can sometimes get out of hand.
But I disagree with forcing everyone off the All channel just because some can't control themselves. With the LW arenas, I guess it made sense because there are normally 200+ people in there (but now look at the complaints about Ch200). EW almost never has more than 40; there are fewer voices to compete with each other.
Having n00bs broadcast their every action isn't unique to EW, but like you said, they generally start there because it's listed first. If people really cared about it, they will let that person know that everyone in the arena can read what they type on the All channel and that it's annoying.
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Yeah, EW seems to be generally looked-down upon by the masses. I'm not sure why...maybe because most of those people can't (or won't) fly anything but their late-war uber planes. As for all the allegations of cheating...again it's mainly by those who spend most of their time in LW and have no idea how to fly or fight in the EW planes and armor.
When I was flying in EW on a regular base, all that crap was almost exclusively coming from squads & players spending most, if not all, of their time there.
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You cant tell people to ignore it...it flashes across your text buffer and you will read it, whether you want to or not.
Inyhoo, .squelch 1 is the fix I was looking for, although it is unfortunate to have to miss possible <S>....
The garbage that was being spewed in MW yesterday on open channel was damned near pathetic. Now I can simply type a command line in when I enter the arena, or when the first moron
types his little zinger, and all is well...balance is restored.
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The garbage that was being spewed in MW yesterday on open channel was damned near pathetic. Now I can simply type a command line in when I enter the arena, or when the first moron
types his little zinger, and all is well...balance is restored.
Let me guess, Ghost66 was letting everyone know how crappy they are again?
ack-ack
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.squelch 1
wrongway
Does that work? I would really like to eleminate all that garbage on 1.
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Does that work? I would really like to eleminate all that garbage on 1.
Yes it does, but has the consequences I pointed out above.
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Let me guess, Ghost66 was letting everyone know how crappy they are again?
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Is he usually Bish on the MWA?
I was in MW on Saturday I think, flying around in a 190A5 and having a relatively fun and uncontested time (until Shuffler had to show up and start ganging me 2v1 with his pony friend :furious ). I think Ghost66 was the kid who made some noise on '1' in my general direction after I shot down his F6F, accusing me of vulching him (while on the edge of his base's dar ring, 8K up...)
Talk about something I wish I had recorded. I came in above and very far behind him at the start, he was running from my teamates and for home b/c somehow he had lost both of his wingtips :rolleyes: . As I came in on his 6 I shot him up good in the fuselage but those F6Fs are tough (he was doing some frantic stick stirring and I was coming in pretty fast). Surprised that he was still flying and realizing I would need to do another pass I went into a scissor maneuver to get behind him again, knowing that since he was missing 1/2 of each wing this would be one of the hardest maneuvers for the damaged F6F to counter or get any shot off on me. To my amusement though he immediately tried to scissor with me and I had a good laugh as I watched him uncontrollably rollover and pitch-downwards. He shortly thereafter bailed out and I reported the kill back to my teammates who had informed me on his location when I first picked him up in persuit. Just after I had done that he chirped up on '1' "nice vulch", I couldn't stop laughing for a good 5 minutes.
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No solution.
If you squelch 1, you can't see any salutes made with .s command anymore.
Not a consequence as far as I'm concerned.
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Not a consequence as far as I'm concerned.
Well, if appearing as completely rude for not giving back any salute doesn't bother you, you should be fine... ;)
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Just do what I try to do lushe, have squadies or countrymen give you a heads up when you get a salute.
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Just remove the EWA and MWA from the arena list.
They were a grand experiment back when HTC was testing many things (including sequential base capture, time limits on respawn, various base capture coding, and multiple arena stress testing)
We now know multiple arenas work. We have them where we need them. SEAs now have much more flexibility and availability. LWAs have their own balancing code running. We no longer need (and going by the numbers, WANT) the EW or MW arenas. The majority of "pilots" in there are porking and milk running for score, and if anybody shows up they move to the OTHER undefended frontline, and if the person switches teams they move BACK so that the lone defender they are afraid of is stuck on country "X" for "Y" minutes.
These arenas have been more of a joke than the AvA lately, and with worse company inhabiting them. They no longer serve a purpose or a need (either for HTC's testing purposes or AH's players' enjoyment purposes) and should be removed.
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Just remove the EWA and MWA from the arena list.
Just remove one of the LW arenas and cap the remaining one to 200. That will force everyone else to populate MW and EW.
My suggestion makes as much sense as yours. :D
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Wrong. Given free will, 90% or more of any pilot that wants a fight has gone to a LW arena. The vast majority (99%) of all those in the EW and MW are milk runners avoiding fights.
People want fights, and they want them with the LW plane set. I fly early planes but enjoy flying them AGAINST late ones.
What makes sense is to get rid of the milk runner havens, and just put them into LWAs. Forcing players to fly where they don't want (EW and MW) to will simply make them log off and (eventually) cancel their accounts.
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And what do you gain by forcing the EW MW players to LW?
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They no longer ruin the fights the 1-2 "real" players want to have in the MW/EW, the cowardly behavior is not festered and bred into an entire sub-culture of players, they don't get their names listed on the front homepage as great testament to their ability to kill their second accounts, and on top of that they learn (at the hands of players that WANT to fight) that they need to step things up a notch if they want to be considered "skilled".
Frankly we're creating an environment that (right now) rewards them richly for actions they couldn't even begin to pull off in the LWAs. Throw them in with the rest of the players, let them absorb skills through osmosis for all I care. Or let them go to the TA where scores don't matter.
Instead we're showing them scores DO matter when all we do is let them reap the rewards by avoiding all fights and stealing only undefended bases.
I fail to see the point of keeping these servers alive anymore. They served their purpose. Much like the time limits after a pilot's death, they need to be done away with. Their time has come and gone.
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Wrong. Given free will, 90% or more of any pilot that wants a fight has gone to a LW arena.
Given free will, as we have seen by the plethora of whines about not being able to get into the "popular" arena, people will go where the numbers are. If EW suddenly became the most populous arena, that is where everybody must be.
(http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~halman/spring01/images/sheep.jpg)
wrongway
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They no longer ruin the fights the 1-2 "real" players want to have in the MW/EW, the cowardly behavior is not festered and bred into an entire sub-culture of players, they don't get their names listed on the front homepage as great testament to their ability to kill their second accounts, and on top of that they learn (at the hands of players that WANT to fight) that they need to step things up a notch if they want to be considered "skilled".
Frankly we're creating an environment that (right now) rewards them richly for actions they couldn't even begin to pull off in the LWAs. Throw them in with the rest of the players, let them absorb skills through osmosis for all I care. Or let them go to the TA where scores don't matter.
Instead we're showing them scores DO matter when all we do is let them reap the rewards by avoiding all fights and stealing only undefended bases.
I fail to see the point of keeping these servers alive anymore. They served their purpose. Much like the time limits after a pilot's death, they need to be done away with. Their time has come and gone.
you sir are sadly mistaken, MW is a place for many to escape the hord/gangbanging of LW and enjoy some good quality fights. MW is far more personal then LW imho. yes we torment and raz each other but when it comes down to it its all in jest.most of us bounce around between countrys looking for the good fights and good company.there is less running and more fighting.as for the perk padders,who cares.if thats what they want to do with there 15 bucks so be it
i know for a fact that there is alot of peeps that come to MW for good fights and good company.....so the idea of ditching MW and EW is idiotic
and if you think those that hang out in MW are less quallity pilot,you are sadly mistaken.
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The vast majority (99%) of all those in the EW and MW are milk runners avoiding fights.
I guess I'm in the 1% then. But I guess it depends on when you log in.
People want fights, and they want them with the LW plane set. I fly early planes but enjoy flying them AGAINST late ones.
Not everyone wants to fly LW planes. I like flying EW/MW planes. But, flying them in LW is boring; it seems all I do is avoid the BnZ and HO attempts and the gangtards who only care about killing something instead of fighting someone. Seems to me there's less skill when the tards only fly the LW 4-cannon uber birds just because they want their name in lights after some quick kills.
Not to mention that people in LW will steal a kill from their own mother just to get the "atta boy" from their buddies. I don't care about score and all that, but it gets old after spending a couple of minutes in a good fight and getting hits on the red guy to have some green guy swoop in with his 4-cannon bird and clear my twelve.
Most guys I meet up with in EW and MW will stay out of a fight if asked...and even ask if I need my twelve cleared instead of just swooping down and doing so. LW is a good diversion now and then (like the DA), but I prefer the planes and people of EW and MW.
But, to each their own. Play where you want, do what you want. If you don't like it, don't go there. Just like TV and movies...just because you don't like something, or find it offensive, doesn't give you the right to force everyone else away.
Life is full of choices; make one for yourself and allow others the same opportunity.
'nuff said
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Claiming you're getting away from the hordes in the MW is a farce. Anytime you go in there it's the mini-hordes. The only difference is you're on the giving side. People take the fastest perk planes (typhs and p51Bs, La5FNs) and just hover over any field that dares pop up a dar bar at 15k
Then they chase you with the maximum range their P51Bs can provide, making cheap diving passes and running outside of icon range before turning around.
It's been this way every time I have gone into the MWA. Just a scared mini-horde. You're not getting away from anything in the MW, just hiding from the arena that's got more opposition.
Wrongway: the arena caps are in place on the late war arenas because that is where the action is, that is where the fights are, and that is where all of the players are. It's like WB's arenas, FR and RR. Nobody was using FR. For whatever reasons these people choose to fly in the LWA (be it friends, planeset, fights, whatever) the arena cap whining has nothing to do with the lack of use on the EW and MW arenas. There's more of an argument to keep the MWA around than there is for the EWA, I admit, but it's very slim. On average the MWA has less folks than the AvA does (and that's frickin' sad!)
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Wrongway: the arena caps are in place on the late war arenas because that is where the action is, that is where the fights are, and that is where all of the players are. It's like WB's arenas, FR and RR. Nobody was using FR. For whatever reasons these people choose to fly in the LWA (be it friends, planeset, fights, whatever) the arena cap whining has nothing to do with the lack of use on the EW and MW arenas. There's more of an argument to keep the MWA around than there is for the EWA, I admit, but it's very slim. On average the MWA has less folks than the AvA does (and that's frickin' sad!)
I know why the arena caps are in LW. I've seen more than one MW arena before, with caps. I contend if MW suddenly became populated, or any other arena for that matter, that would be the one everybody would NEED to be in. The sheep following the herd.
Remember when the arenas first split and there were no Early War aircraft enabled in Late War?
wrongway
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The only difference is you're on the giving side. People take the fastest perk planes (typhs and p51Bs, La5FNs) and just hover over any field that dares pop up a dar bar at 15k
Uh yeah, indeed all you can see in MW are Typhs, P-51B's La-5's...
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6573/clipboard01tom.jpg)
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FM-2 has more kills.. :lol
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A20 has more kills then pony and tiffy tgether :D
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to tell you the truth I go to MW on any Tuesday that I have a chance to play, which may not be very often. I do this to get away from the ganging and hording which does happen less in MW than LW, mainly due to the lesser numbers.
to comment on original post though:
I too think that they should turn off the all channel in MW and EW. I personally see no real reason to have it enabled. If you want contact with the other side you can use 200 like they do in LW.
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Uh yeah, indeed all you can see in MW are Typhs, P-51B's La-5's...
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6573/clipboard01tom.jpg)
Only problem with that chart is the P-38J numbers are skewed by a small group of dedicated and very deadly P-38 drivers that make up the majority of the kills. A few tours ago, three of us made up close to 50% of all kills with the Lightning in the MW arena but accounted for just a little over 25% of all flights and under 12% for total deaths.
So, Krusty should have stated "People take the best plane (P-38J Lightning) and just hover over any field that dares pop up a dar bar at 15k. :D
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hehe, the chart was not meant to give any other point than to highlight the general value of K's rants and his "I don't like it, I don't know whats happening there, I don't wan't to play there, so shut it down" rant.
I considered a more serious and in depth answer for some time... but I realised it's not worth it. ;)
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Don't insult me Lusche. Your out-of-context charts tell nothing of the picture you see when you actually fly the MW. Just like tempests have low usage in the LWAs, because they are perked so do P51s and typhs in the MW. Doesn't mean they get the most KILLS, but they sure as hell can disrupt a fight, or annoy the hell out of you until you land and log off. I fly 3 sectors chasing some cowards milk running, and they scream to their squaddies to meet them, and run into a cloud of 6 dots at 15-25k. You claim the fights are more personal, but I can get bounced from the stratosphere by rooks in the LW, and I can get ganged and picked by bish in the LWA. The fiber of pilots in MW has nothing to do with the quality of play, apparently.
You do like to bring your charts up. They're nice to look at once in a while. What gets me is that you constantly say "I'm not making a point" -- but you really are implying one with a heavy hand (doing it bluntly) every time you post your own numbers. You're reading into them whatever you want and claiming it's gospel truth, often relying only on something that's out of context to prove your point (which you should type into words, for clarity's sake).
Imadot: Hurr2C. Hotards all of 'em. Most used plane in midwar (and isn't it also in early war?). Far far overmodeled compared to the real thing, this plane is heavily used to steal just as many kills in MW as the spitties and P51s are used in the LW (oh, and PS the 4-cannon-LW planes? HAH! Least threat of all compared to the US/RAF rides).
Wrongway: you're putting the cart before the horse. The chicken before the egg. IF (hypothetically) the MW were more populated it would not simply draw crowds on this merit alone. It would only indicate more public interest. It would only lend justification for the MW's existence, which is currently lacking. Again, as I said the MW has more of a leg to stand on than the EW, to be sure, but it's a broken leg.
Folks want more personal fights they can log into LW Blue, which often has 100+ less players than LW Orange, and has more compact fights between the countries.
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I like the Midwar arena, it is too bad the numbers within are always so low. Aside from a few bad apples, it is what the DA should be like; close quarter fights where everyone knows everyone.
Regardless of what some people (requests to PM them denied btw) feel, many enjoy the MWA and some like Slapshot have said publicly they would leave AH if it was removed. I don't blame them, the attitudes (last time I was in there) were far superior to the ones within the LWAs.
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I like the Midwar arena, it is too bad the numbers within are always so low. Aside from a few bad apples, it is what the DA should be like; close quarter fights where everyone knows everyone.
Regardless of what some people (requests to PM them denied btw) feel, many enjoy the MWA and some like Slapshot have said publicly they would leave AH if it was removed. I don't blame them, the attitudes (last time I was in there) were far superior to the ones within the LWAs.
I don't ever think I've ever seen Krusty fly in the MW arena in all the times I flew in there, so I really don't know where he is basing his information. It's definintely not first hand experience. He also has no clue as to why the EW arena isn't popular and it has nothing to do with the people that fly in there, they are just a by product of the problem and not the cause.
In a perfect world, 4+4+4 would equal 10.
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Just remove the EWA and MWA from the arena list.
<elbow in the ribs> Many people enjoy MW :furious
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I must be nice, I must be nice.
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Don't insult me Lusche. Your out-of-context charts tell nothing of the picture you see when you actually fly the MW. Just like tempests have low usage in the LWAs, because they are perked so do P51s and typhs in the MW.
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You do like to bring your charts up. They're nice to look at once in a while. What gets me is that you constantly say "I'm not making a point" -- but you really are implying one with a heavy hand (doing it bluntly) every time you post your own numbers. You're reading into them whatever you want and claiming it's gospel truth, often relying only on something that's out of context to prove your point (which you should type into words, for clarity's sake).
I am not constantly saying "I'm not making a point". Actually I usually do, and so I did in my posting. I clearly stated which point I'm trying to make, and your response again shows supports it. You knowledge of what's happening in MW is rather limited, as we can see again - the P-51B is NOT perked in MW, it's usage is not limited beyond usual ENY restrictions.
My initial question was "what's to gain by deleting EW & MW"
Your response and your follow up posting make perfectly clear that you don't have a rational answer to that. You don't like it there - that's fine. Just don't fly there, or come up with a few suggestions to improve that arenas. I did start to dislike the current state of EW some time ago, and beyond a few suggestions how it could maybe get improved, I just don't fly there much anymore.
But instead letting others enjoy what they are doing (and which doesn't really tangent if you don't fly there), you are asking for the arenas to get shut down.
Pretty much egoistically and immature. "I don't like it, so no one should be there". I find it particulay funny when you claim getting rid of EW & MW would even be to the benefit of the "real" players that enjoy fighting there.
And what do you gain by forcing the EW MW players to LW?
They no longer ruin the fights the 1-2 "real" players want to have in the MW/EW
But now I'm following Delirium's example, being nice and kind and simply leaving the thread alone. :)
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Hmm I give this 90 Krusties on the BS scale.
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Well, if appearing as completely rude for not giving back any salute doesn't bother you, you should be fine... ;)
I usually depend on a squad mate to inform me on VOX that someone saluted me. I just fine that whole text bar thing to be a distraction. What I'd really like to do is block requests for joins. It's just a total pain and it always seems to pop up at the worst time. As for appearing rude when not replying to a salute, I think it's kind of silly, that whole salute thing, and to everyone I fly with I generally just say hello on VOX.
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Just remove one of the LW arenas and cap the remaining one to 200. That will force everyone else to populate MW and EW.
My suggestion makes as much sense as yours. :D
I agree. What is the whole point of two late war arenas? Maybe we could get more people in AvA again.
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I usually depend on a squad mate to inform me on VOX that someone saluted me. I just fine that whole text bar thing to be a distraction. What I'd really like to do is block requests for joins. It's just a total pain and it always seems to pop up at the worst time. As for appearing rude when not replying to a salute, I think it's kind of silly, that whole salute thing, and to everyone I fly with I generally just say hello on VOX.
traveler,
in your radio type ".showjoin" to move join request to your text bar instead of popup.
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traveler,
in your radio type ".showjoin 0" to move join request to your text bar instead of popup.
Fixed :aok
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Fixed :aok
oops forgot the 0, weird though the training site doesn't mention that part.