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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Belial on March 13, 2009, 02:19:01 AM
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Ok I Gv ALOT and most people would say i'm a camper lol and they would be right. But if anyone is interested I can give you advice on becoming more accurate, and getting your round off accurately while being quicker than the other guy. I'm in main arena almost everyday PM if you whanna work on your gv'ing.
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Online training is always nice...
but why not share your tips here too? It's the perfect forum for it :)
Be it in text only, with annotated pictures or even film - all useful & reasonable information is always welcome, no matter if it's about dogfighting, bombing or tanking.
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I agree pictures would be helpful but i'd rather get some 1 on 1 time with people, but i'll mention a few tips here and go more in depth in main arena.
For starters when you are zoomed in on a target and have your sites where you think the bullet will hit the bad guy, put your cursor on that distance line as a reference. This will give you a basis for aiming up or down and save time.
2nd depending on what type of tank you are shooting at there are "kill zones" To kill a Tiger-shoot for the turret where it meets the body in a frontal attack, and in the same spot at bottom of turret for a side attack. For the t34-85 as well as the t34-76-in a frontal attack aim for the bottom of the frontal armor, I like to call it a chin shot, and in attack on the side of t34's try to aim from the center of the tracks to 3/4 up the tracks. When fighting a m4-firefly-an m4 may seem very intimidating which they are with that big gun, but go for that same kind of "chin shot" i mentioned earlier bottom of front armor and you will get a 1shot kill. When fighting a Panzer, almost anyplace on a panzer when hit will result in a kill, but you may get a ricochet off of some points in the armor, I aim for the turret.
3rd Whenever possible try to shoot on level ground, shooting crooked may result in missing an easy shot that would have otherwise saved your life.
4th Whenever possible find some sort of dirt mound to park behind, the less of your tank you expose the harder it will be for them to hit you, and also if you park diagonal behind a hill in for example a sherman, most rounds that do hit you will ricochet off of your turret.
5th If your find yourself severely outnumbered supplies can be a lifesaver, a t34-85 parked behind a hill with only the turret exposed is impossible to die in. The turret on a t34-85 is indestructible, and you will have 8 extra chances at surviving with supplies around.
6th If you find yourself wanting to spawn into a field and discover somebody has it camped, spawn in a perkless ride like a panzer and dont try to shoot first sortie, get into your pintle gun and scan for enemies before starting your engine. Wait for the camper to fire a round and kill you, "important" make a mental note of where the round came from, now it is your turn. You spawn in a t34-85 "which has the faster turret in the game" and spin that turret around to where they were sitting, now when they appear blast them and wait for the "you cheated accusations" lol.
7th If you wish to take out the beast the Tiger, which it is when used properly. Ask someone if they would mind setting out supplys for you before upping, if no one will run some out yourself before upping the Tiger. It is important to put the supplys in a spot at least 2,500 yards from the tanks you will be shooting. I recommend a hilltop, but never park with your Tiger facing downhill, as its turret is very weak, and this exposes you to shots on top of your turret. At a range of over 2,500 yards, only truly skilled tank drivers will be able to kill you with supplies around. So have fun putting a Tiger to good use, which isnt often done in Aces High.
Alright theres just a few things that come to mind, like a said I will offer tips and advice to anyone who wishes just PM me <S>
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B,
Thank-you! If I see you tonight, I'll ask if you have the time to give me a hand.
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I sure did appreciate that by the way... I hate to GV but my squad needs me sometimes, so I guess I can at least try to shoot something. = )
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Yeah thanks, I have gv'ed alot and have a wealth of knowledge lol, let me know anytime.
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Belial i know i suck in GV's can you train me? Ill PM you.
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Not implying anyone needs training, just sharing any info i have for the greater good :rock
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When I am in a G.V. I do not see other enemy G.V.'s like other G.V.'s on my side. What are they doing to see them. Exact steps. Thank You Ketinkrad
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Icons for enemy gv are disabled for everyone, this is part of the allure for vehicles, it allows for sneaky play.
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they are not disabled, they are just below the GV and you can't get enough alt to get a good angle to see them.... tho I hear jeeps sometimes fly :devil
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they are not disabled, they are just below the GV and you can't get enough alt to get a good angle to see them.... tho I hear jeeps sometimes fly :devil
You know what i meant :)
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Ketinkrad, when you're in a vehicle, hit shift f4. This puts you in ground vis mode. It should help you see enemy gv's better
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Thank You for the Info. Ketinkrad
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/1202081522367nm4.jpg)
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Ok i thought of a couple simple things that experienced players will say duh about...Did you new guys no you can put your tank in neutral and roll down a hill quicker? :aok Did you know some steep hill can be climbed by going up them in reverse? :aok Did you know if you hit F-8 and use your arrow keys you can move your sights up and down?
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Ill give some woods tips. Sound is your best friend.... Suround sound is worth its weight in gold. Shut your engine off figure direction of travel. then flank them from the side. They cant here u coming while their running. Except for the sound slider deal and thats only good to about 800 ...and you should have killed them by now.
If you stop shut your dang engine off.
Belial how about some advanced tips... For every one u post Ill match it
<S> enjoy
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I would like to post something to refresh this topic, yep here we go :) I thought of another tip for driving Panzers. If you go into your main gun and zoom all the way in, you can press F-8 and then use your number pad on the right of your keyboard to move the sights up and down. What does this mean? That if your use to how the Shermans sights look, you can make your panzer sights match up with how the Shermans appear. This works well with Panzer, Tiger, and T34-76 models. The deault sight in the Sherman is showing all of the aim references, I align my sights even with 3,200 in the Panzer :salute
I also have a tip for those who enjoy spawn camping like I do. If you have the perks for a Sherman firefly USE THEM, it has very good visibility of a spawn when zoomed out to where the black circle meets the top and bottom of the screen. If you know the general location of where the tanks will be spawning you can watch a greater amount of the field with the Sherman than any other tank. Many people switch from the pintle to the main gun when acquiring a target. By staying in the main gun and simply zooming out some, you still have a very good view and save precious seconds.
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Thanks for the tips, very helpful.
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When are you going to get the the good stuff like being able to see through smoke............. :devil
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Someone said i need a krapy computer with vista runing one it.
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Ok I Gv ALOT and most people would say i'm a camper lol and they would be right. But if anyone is interested I can give you advice on becoming more accurate, and getting your round off accurately while being quicker than the other guy. I'm in main arena almost everyday PM if you whanna work on your gv'ing.
dont go were belial is if your rook or knight ^_^ or just bomb him <S> <3 u
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Another funny thing to do is killing tanks with jeeps
HUH?? :huh
Yes, you can drive your jeep within the enemy tank, and pound your .50 into his driver :D
BOOM
Im not sure if this still works though
It also requires an enemy with lack of awareness and he shouldn't be driving (this makes driving into him pretty hard).
Usually, when they have their engine still on, they'll never know you're coming :)
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Another refresher to keep the gv'ers out there occupied.
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Another funny thing to do is killing tanks with jeeps
HUH?? :huh
Yes, you can drive your jeep within the enemy tank, and pound your .50 into his driver :D
BOOM
Im not sure if this still works though
It also requires an enemy with lack of awareness and he shouldn't be driving (this makes driving into him pretty hard).
Usually, when they have their engine still on, they'll never know you're coming :)
no, they fixed it
but you can still drive into them though
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Another funny thing to do is killing tanks with jeeps
HUH?? :huh
Yes, you can drive your jeep within the enemy tank, and pound your .50 into his driver :D
BOOM
Im not sure if this still works though
It also requires an enemy with lack of awareness and he shouldn't be driving (this makes driving into him pretty hard).
Usually, when they have their engine still on, they'll never know you're coming :)
I don't think you can do that anymore but you can run down Panzers from behind and kill them with the Jeep's .50 cal by just firing into the back of them. I love that!
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what is this GV thingy you are all talking about :noid
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And shooting and ranging is an art form and something you just have to learn with trial and error. And my favorite thing is getting between 3200 and sometimes I would say 4k out from a spawn and use your courser to line up the distances beyond 3200 to the area there spawning in and in a M4 (don't know about the other tanks) I can kill with 2 or 3 shots and sometimes 1. And the good thing about shooting from that distance by the time they get close to hitting you, you can most of the time pop the turret.
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Non AAA AFV's in this game have a serious , laughable flaw . They can and do shoot down Aircraft with main guns .
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Non AAA AFV's in this game have a serious , laughable flaw . They can and do shoot down Aircraft with main guns .
It's not really a flaw, I imagine main guns could shoot down an aircraft...
...the problem is to actually hit them :aok
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Thought of another GV tip: Ok on certain maps you will find yourself shooting down on someone and you will most likely be shooting crooked. The trick to hitting someone when shooting crooked is to put your mouse cursor where your last shell hit.
Say you see a tank and you take a shot at it, put your cursor where that shell lands. Next put your cursor on the tank without moving it, fire again and if you miss put your cursor where this shell lands. By this point you are within a few inches of the kill just adjust accordingly without moving your cursor.
Follow these steps and repeat for the hillshot of Doom. :aok :salute
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I just now saw this thread...I laughed
Some useful tips to newer GVers out there, but all in all...I laughed
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Glad we could amuse you banshee7 oh great cartoon deity.
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A few things, why insist on doing it in the MA? why not the TWO ideal areas already designed
- The Aces High Training Arena Ground Vehicle Practice Area
- The Aces High Dueling Arena Ground Vehicle Practice Area
Ok I Gv ALOT and most people would say i'm a camper lol and they would be right. But if anyone is interested I can give you advice on becoming more accurate, and getting your round off accurately while being quicker than the other guy. I'm in main arena almost everyday PM if you whanna work on your gv'ing.
then you still say you want to do it 1 on 1 in the Main arena again?
I agree pictures would be helpful but i'd rather get some 1 on 1 time with people, but i'll mention a few tips here and go more in depth in main arena.
it is all well and good, and everyone appreciates others stepping up to help.....but if I did not know better was you going to set there in the MA and let unknowing noobs practice zeroing in on you? or was you hoping to wax as many as you could all the while telling them how wrong they were doing it?
I was glad to see you open up and actually give some pointers on the Help & Training Forum Boards.....instead of insisting it be done only in the Main arenas........ ( TC's own personal observation of the 1st 2 post by Belial......not meant as a Flame by no means )
Banshee7, your less than 2 cents worth was not even worth the wasted time you took to type your post.......
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Belial, and all other gv'ers do a search for Ground Vehicles and the username horn also, do a search for the LTAR squadrons post on Ground Vehicles......and whels is another username to search for....all these longtime players have absolute amounts of knowledge regarding GV's, sighting/targeting, tips & tricks and what have you........
I look forward to reading more Gving tips from ya Belial.....keep at it
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Yeah tequilachaser I see where your coming from, what I meant is you will get more hands on training if you want in the main arena. Take for instance I take a guy under my wing and we roll onto a vbase, I can direct him where to sit and what angles to utilize.
Oh yeah and I typed in the keywords Horn, LTAR, and Whels none of which came back with any hits except this thread.
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Yeah tequilachaser I see where your coming from, what I meant is you will get more hands on training if you want in the main arena. Take for instance I take a guy under my wing and we roll onto a vbase, I can direct him where to sit and what angles to utilize.
Maybe a better approach would be to host a clinic for 5-10 people in the TA. After working with them for awhile on sighting etc, move into the MA and assault a V Base as a group, trying to put into action the principles that you were discussing in the TA.
Just a thought.
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I see what your saying, the odds of getting 5-10 people in at a time are pretty slim though, I'll give it a try.
I dont feel obligated to help anyone I thought it was a nice gesture.
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I see what your saying, the odds of getting 5-10 people in at a time are pretty slim though, I'll give it a try.
I dont feel obligated to help anyone I thought it was a nice gesture.
I'll bet you get more people show up then you think. Post it in here ahead of time. Maybe include your lesson outline so folks know what you are going to talk about. The important thing is to plan it out ahead of time so the lesson can be as organized and direct as possible. Nobody wants to go to a clinic and waste a bunch of time because the instructor isn't organized. When conducting the clinic, I would suggest that you choose a VoX channel to use rather then range. Get out away from the more commonly used areas so as not to be interrupted by non class related chatter. Etc etc, you probably don't need me telling you any of this... I just know I have been to good and bad training clinics.
It is more then a nice gesture in my opinion. If you have the time and willingness to help others improve, that's waaaaaaay better then simply posting whines about things like some people choose.
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i would like to be involved in a gv training. Also have found these tips very helpful.
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Yeah tequilachaser I see where your coming from, what I meant is you will get more hands on training if you want in the main arena. Take for instance I take a guy under my wing and we roll onto a vbase, I can direct him where to sit and what angles to utilize.
That's alot better description of what you had in mind.......it'll help GV'ers understand your intentions better, I think :aok
Oh yeah and I typed in the keywords Horn, LTAR, and Whels none of which came back with any hits except this thread.
kind of odd.....I having no luck myself.....even old bookmarked threads are not working.....will manually go pull them up for ya
here is 2 links ( websites / threads ) of some use for now
Hammers Ground Vehicle Guide:
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/vehicles/vehicles.htm or http://www.netaces.org/vehicles/vehicles.htm
Zazen's Ostwind Deflection Aiming explained :
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,157461.0.html & http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/ostwind/ostwind.htm
will try and find the one's I mentioned to search for earlier..... hope this helps :salute
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Yeah i've seen those links before there helpful for learning the basics.
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Edited...not worth arguing with a trainer. They always win only because they have "authority"
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I enjoyed reading this thread :aok
Nice :)
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Ok how about shooting overhills when no one can see you.
Position your tank so you can only see over hill with pintle gun..... Line your barrel up with pintle gun.... Now fire....Switch back to pintle gun real quick...once u see where your bullet lands you can sight with curser..Normally only works if the nme is far enough away.....
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Good tip firedrgn +1
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I actually used Firedrgns shooting over a hill tip today in a panzer, I'm glad I shot a veteran and not a noob or they would have cried 96 tears.
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Ok...I have another one. This is a good one for defending town when buildings are down. What to do when someone shuts down on the other side of a building. Shoot thru building with pintle gun first you will see sprites. Just line up with main gun. And drill them
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Heres an elementary tip: When parked in a gv always shift into neutral or your tank will rock back and forth when you fire :aok
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You can shoot under hedge rows. killing the tank on the other side.... :devil
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If your moving total turret swing time can be greatly reduced by turning you tank and turret at the same time.
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One shot tiger kills with panzer.................shoot them in the side right on the German symbol.
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Number of shots to kill differant tanks with M8 Yes i said kill....
Panzer==== 2 shots kill ..........smoke turret one......
M4====== 2 shots
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t34/ 85====== 3 shots kill....smoke turret one....
t34 /76 ==== i stop counting after 3 its do-able but a good tanker can return fire befrore the 4 shot.
tiger==== m8 does not hold enough ammo :devil
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belial & firedrgn ty for the tip :aok
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How come in the Manual threads and this discussion no one talked about the Wirbelwind. This is my favorite G.V. ,also when you load supplies into a G.V. why does your picture view change? Thank You
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Most dont need tips for the Whirbly..... :devil
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Gee I am very sorry, But I would like some tips from players more experienced then myself. If that is OK with you. Thank You
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Ketinrad the whirble is something that you must learn for yourself, next time a spawn is being bombed just keep upping and practicing aiming, there is no easy solution <S>.
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Wirbelwind tips: 2k is max distance you can get hits...if someone says different they are WRONG! They shoot a 20mm round FYI
Lead on your target depends on distance from you and thier speed and AOA....almost never the same twice
Wana get good???? Practice practice practice
And I think it's funny a spawn camper told someone to up wirbels at the spawn to kill the bomb****s....nice Belial...next you'll tell him the town is down and you need an M3!
Oh and GV tip number 1: Watchout for my A20!
GV tip number 2: Only engage as many enemy tanks that you can kill...I took on 7-8 and only killed 5 of them today in one battle.
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And I think it's funny a spawn camper told someone to up wirbels at the spawn to kill the bomb****s....nice Belial...next you'll tell him the town is down and you need an M3!
This.
I don't think we really need somebody encouraging n00bs to spawncamp. Yes, I know there's many mixed and varied feelings on vulching in this game, but at least with vulching you can't complain when the enemy shows up with 10 P-47s and starts capping planes after they nail half the hangers. They're trying to take the field, and air superiority is part of that goal. Spawncamping vehicle spawns, however...? Well, I guess you need to "earn" the perk points for that Tiger somehow, right?
For the n00bs, though: do observe that camping is a good and viable tactic in GVs, just like it is/was in real war. Belial said something about hiding behind a hill with only your turret showing- this is called a "hull down" position and it is a great way to give yourself a tremendous advantage. You have effectively reduced your enemies target to just your turret, while ideally you can still target their entire machine. And then, of course, there's "keyholing," which is a fancy term to express the fact that you can only point your gun at one little part of the world at at time, whereas your tank is exposed to the entire world simultaneously. By carefully choosing your spot- like between two buildings, say- you can ensure that your tank is only visible to the wide, hostile world through that one "keyhole-" a keyhole you have your cannon trained on. In short, the only spot an enemy can get a shot at you is the same spot you've got your gun pointed at. Nobody can threaten you without you threatening them, and having a chance to get a shot off.
Often you won't get a perfect position, so do what you can. Use a building to shield your side, the side where you know/expect the enemy to come from, and train your gun on the area just beyond that corner.
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I dont know what your trying to say Duhasst, I merely meant that the lad should go where he will find action....
P.S. you just sound like a jerk, I made this topic to help people.
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Wirbelwind tips: 2k is max distance you can get hits...if someone says different they are WRONG! They shoot a 20mm round FYI
Lead on your target depends on distance from you and thier speed and AOA....almost never the same twice
Wana get good???? Practice practice practice
And I think it's funny a spawn camper told someone to up wirbels at the spawn to kill the bomb****s....nice Belial...next you'll tell him the town is down and you need an M3!
Oh and GV tip number 1: Watchout for my A20!
GV tip number 2: Only engage as many enemy tanks that you can kill...I took on 7-8 and only killed 5 of them today in one battle.
I heard on this board somewhere that 1.7 is the max distance. The information was not from a HTC staff member, so I really don't know what the true max distance is, but I do know shooting at anything over 1k is a waste of ammo. You get lucky every now and then and ping something a little farther than that, but for the most part I don't think I have ever been killed or killed anything in a Whirble more than 1k out.
Fred
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OK Here are some whirby ttips If they are coming straight for u aim straight. if they are diving below your positions shoot underneath their nose. if they are flying above your position even in a dive shoot above their nose....
If they are coming straight at you at 2 k you will still have to aim above nose to compensate for bullet drop.. as they get closer you will be shooting with out lead.......
Lead is something that can only be explained you will have to learn for youself....... In all situations except them diving straight in on you you must lead the target.
Amount of lead is dependant on their distance and speed.
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This.
I don't think we really need somebody encouraging n00bs to spawncamp. Yes, I know there's many mixed and varied feelings on vulching in this game, but at least with vulching you can't complain when the enemy shows up with 10 P-47s and starts capping planes after they nail half the hangers. They're trying to take the field, and air superiority is part of that goal. Spawncamping vehicle spawns, however...? Well, I guess you need to "earn" the perk points for that Tiger somehow, right?
For the n00bs, though: do observe that camping is a good and viable tactic in GVs, just like it is/was in real war. Belial said something about hiding behind a hill with only your turret showing- this is called a "hull down" position and it is a great way to give yourself a tremendous advantage. You have effectively reduced your enemies target to just your turret, while ideally you can still target their entire machine. And then, of course, there's "keyholing," which is a fancy term to express the fact that you can only point your gun at one little part of the world at at time, whereas your tank is exposed to the entire world simultaneously. By carefully choosing your spot- like between two buildings, say- you can ensure that your tank is only visible to the wide, hostile world through that one "keyhole-" a keyhole you have your cannon trained on. In short, the only spot an enemy can get a shot at you is the same spot you've got your gun pointed at. Nobody can threaten you without you threatening them, and having a chance to get a shot off.
Often you won't get a perfect position, so do what you can. Use a building to shield your side, the side where you know/expect the enemy to come from, and train your gun on the area just beyond that corner.
Ill be as nice as i can.....How specifically did anyone encorage you or any noob to spawn camp? How do you spawn camp bombers in a Whirbly?
In the case of actually spawn camping very few are any good at it....Do you think spawn camping is wrong because BElial is good at it?
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I heard on this board somewhere that 1.7 is the max distance.
This is absolutely correct. I very rarely fire outside of -1.5K, as hits outside of that range are few and far between.
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This is absolutely correct. I very rarely fire outside of -1.5K, as hits outside of that range are few and far between.
Well when the icons on enemy planes start to show 1.7k I'll use that till then 2.0k is the max you should even bother shooting. It's funny that people come on just to spout off about the minor things. Save the band width please. I too don't fire outside 1.5k but I have been hit and hit planes when the icon shows 2.0k. And yes I do know that's not the presice distance.
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Ill be as nice as i can.....How specifically did anyone encorage you or any noob to spawn camp? How do you spawn camp bombers in a Whirbly?
Gee, because he's giving people advice on how to spawn camp better?
In the case of actually spawn camping very few are any good at it....Do you think spawn camping is wrong because BElial is good at it?
It's wrong because it's a cheap griefer move that deprives other players of any fun from the game, and in general it takes very little skill to do. I freely admit that I haven't taken ground vehicles out very much at all, so perhaps spawncamping in GVs is a more complex and difficult task then just sitting in one place and popping people as they appear. If so, do explain that to me. Otherwise, I'm not much impressed by anybody who has refined the art of cheap shots to a science, to be honest.
If spawncamping is, for whatever reason, an inevitable part of the game, and thus a genuine skill that needs to be cultivated- well, I can understand. I'm open to that argument. As of now, though, let us say that I am dubious.
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Alright demetr you whanna test out your theory that its easy? I'll let you set up postition and try to camp me I bet I kill you within 5 sorties.
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Alright demetr you whanna test out your theory that its easy? I'll let you set up postition and try to camp me I bet I kill you within 5 sorties.
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Yes, the many-year veteran, who has years of experience with spawncamping and being spawncamped vs. the one-year n00b who has touched a ground vehicle perhaps twice. What an accurate simulation of the nature of the game.
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I believe this is my 11th or 12th month playing I am far from a veteran, but i'll still whoop you I posted this stuff to help people and you whanna harp on me? Go somewhere else.
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I believe this is my 11th or 12th month playing I am far from a veteran, but i'll still whoop you I posted this stuff to help people and you whanna harp on me? Go somewhere else.
Oh, really. I hesitated to draw any assumptions based on your forum join date- many people play for years before bothering to join the forums attached to any one game. But I certainly wouldn't want to agitate somebody with almost twelve months of bitter experience at the fine art of spawn camping. :rofl
Regardless, I will take it elsewhere, because nothing useful can come from this exchange.
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Gee, because he's giving people advice on how to spawn camp better?
It's wrong because it's a cheap griefer move that deprives other players of any fun from the game, and in general it takes very little skill to do. I freely admit that I haven't taken ground vehicles out very much at all, so perhaps spawncamping in GVs is a more complex and difficult task then just sitting in one place and popping people as they appear. If so, do explain that to me. Otherwise, I'm not much impressed by anybody who has refined the art of cheap shots to a science, to be honest.
If spawncamping is, for whatever reason, an inevitable part of the game, and thus a genuine skill that needs to be cultivated- well, I can understand. I'm open to that argument. As of now, though, let us say that I am dubious.
if you are looking to stop enemy tanks from coming to your base then the spawn is the source!! the distance you choose to park from the spawn is up to you, if you decide not to drive out and stay at base then you will be camped eventually
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Here is the real question. I asked you How..... because i want you to think about it for a minute. If some tells you HOW to spawn camp. They are allso telling you how to BREAK a spawn camp.
The tips posted here actually will help you break a "spawn" camp not keep it.......
Camping the spawn is a good way to get your self killed. My best kill sorties have been in the woods half way to town.....
Understand this:
Any one has a better chance of killing a spawn camper than you have making it to town if someone is waiting for you...
ANY TIME A GV IS PARKED AND WAITING THEY ARE CAMPED.
So if you use your logic.. ANY advice given encourages camping. I understand what BElial said im asking you to use the information differantly.
It does not matter were there at....think about it for a minute....You think that its unfair in a situation were YOU have a better chance of killing the other gv.
At a spawn you know you have a fight waiting..... half way to town your clueless.
99% of players will not drive to town and get killed more that 3 times... The same players will up at a spawn umpteen times......
Ill use myself as an example.......... If you up at a spawn you have a 50 % 50% chance of killing me.... If im waiting for you half way between...... Your going to be asking yourself where the heck did that come from where is he..... YOU WILL HAVE TO BOmb ME to kill me....
My point is "spawn" camping is only bad because of your lack of refrances. someones opinion of spawn camping always reflects their skill level. You dont have to be good at spawn camping to gv in this game, but you will have to learn how to break a spawn camp.
It has already be pointed out there is NO spawn camping of players of equal skill level....well at least not for long....
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I am a two month noob, and I really appreciate all the players that share their experience to help other players. Everything is up to the individual players to practice and learn from these other players for personal improvement, but guys like you all help us new guys to stay encouraged in the game, and give us items to practice...so thanks for this forum Belial.
Thanks,
Teach5
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I like how people scream SPAWN CAMPER at a double spawn. Most of the time they are are just mad the other camper got there first. And I believe the double spawns are ment to create a gv battle....just sometimes they are way to close together. I like the hunt and kill to much to be a good camper....point and shoot is not my thing.
Belial can tell you I am a decent gver. The other day there was 6-8 tanks attacking a base and I took 5 of them out before dieing to Belial's M4. But I did the logical thing reupped hunted him down and took him out! <S>
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yeah, it's not camping if it's a double spawn & both teams are: up-shoot-kill-die-rinse&repeat.
But even at those (like at 85), weenies crawl up to the bridge at the top of the hill behind the spawn. I'll call those guys weenies any day of the week.
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Firedrgns right if you think dying at the spawn sucks its ten times worse when you drove 10 min just to get popped by a hiding camper.
And if you think I have to park close because I cant shoot long range your kidding yourself, I am just as accurate at 4,000 yards as 1,600.
Check the logs from Tunisia frame 3 I had the most kills of anyone and that was wide open desert Gv'ing.
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Belial- Excellent post my brother. I am a novice at best in the GV's but one thingi have learned is that you can earn a lot of GV points very quickly in resupply runs on bases. I seldom can hit a thing with the main gun before someone else usually takes me out but those boring resupply runs let me take a tiger out once in a while anyway. keep up the excellent posts. EZRhino.
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Firedrgns right if you think dying at the spawn sucks its ten times worse when you drove 10 min just to get popped by a hiding camper.
... what? WWII era tanks can't fire accurately on the move, as I am sure you are aware. They have to stop to fire. And if they're defending a base, and you're attacking (hence your ten minute drive,) they're going to go hull-down to await your coming. What do you want them to do, drive in circles to make it easier for you to spot them? :rofl
The tips posted here actually will help you break a "spawn" camp not keep it.......
That might be true, but I highly doubt it's what Belial here intended by providing it.
Any one has a better chance of killing a spawn camper than you have making it to town if someone is waiting for you...
Unless you take the novel measure of not driving to the target base in a straight line... it's a big world out there with a lot of hedges.
ANY TIME A GV IS PARKED AND WAITING THEY ARE CAMPED.
So if you use your logic.. ANY advice given encourages camping.
Well, sure. "Camping" was a keynote of actual WWII armor tactics. There's a difference between camping and spawn camping. Real tank battles were usually a game of hide-and-seek, with the one getting the first shot off usually being the victor.
It does not matter were there at....think about it for a minute....You think that its unfair in a situation were YOU have a better chance of killing the other gv.
At a spawn you know you have a fight waiting..... half way to town your clueless.
Half-way to town I have the option of simply driving around, or advancing towards potential ambush points cautiously. At the spawn, I have about five seconds of boredom before I am blown to kingdom come by somebody who watched me pop into existence right in front of them.
I'm sympathetic to the point you're making here- that most players don't feel like driving around for forty minutes peeking around bushes, they want to fight. I am that way myself. A spawn-camp isn't a fight, however, it's a shooting gallery. Unless I am fundamentally mis-understanding how gv spawns work.
And if you think I have to park close because I cant shoot long range your kidding yourself, I am just as accurate at 4,000 yards as 1,600.
When you nuke somebody mere seconds after they spawn, before they can do anything of substance, it's still spawncamping...
I like the hunt and kill to much to be a good camper....point and shoot is not my thing.
Yeah. There is a middle ground between the two, even a good hunter sometimes hunkers down and waits if he suspects his foe is in the area and moving towards a good kill-zone. And campers do require a LOT of patience to land their kills; this isn't some online FPS where you can sit behind a heavily traveled corner and rack up easy kills. If some more people got tricky instead of just making a beeline between their base and the target, camping would be less effective, and fraught with perils of it's own- the enemy might come up behind you, or you'll hear them coming from the wrong direction and be forced to budge.
yeah, it's not camping if it's a double spawn & both teams are: up-shoot-kill-die-rinse&repeat.
Agreed.
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Alright demetr you whanna test out your theory that its easy? I'll let you set up postition and try to camp me I bet I kill you within 5 sorties.
I'll take you up on that offer.
Here is the real question. I asked you How..... because i want you to think about it for a minute. If some tells you HOW to spawn camp. They are allso telling you how to BREAK a spawn camp.
The tips posted here actually will help you break a "spawn" camp not keep it.......
Camping the spawn is a good way to get your self killed. My best kill sorties have been in the woods half way to town.....
Understand this:
Any one has a better chance of killing a spawn camper than you have making it to town if someone is waiting for you...
ANY TIME A GV IS PARKED AND WAITING THEY ARE CAMPED.
So if you use your logic.. ANY advice given encourages camping. I understand what BElial said im asking you to use the information differantly.
It does not matter were there at....think about it for a minute....You think that its unfair in a situation were YOU have a better chance of killing the other gv.
At a spawn you know you have a fight waiting..... half way to town your clueless.
99% of players will not drive to town and get killed more that 3 times... The same players will up at a spawn umpteen times......
Ill use myself as an example.......... If you up at a spawn you have a 50 % 50% chance of killing me.... If im waiting for you half way between...... Your going to be asking yourself where the heck did that come from where is he..... YOU WILL HAVE TO BOmb ME to kill me....
My point is "spawn" camping is only bad because of your lack of refrances. someones opinion of spawn camping always reflects their skill level. You dont have to be good at spawn camping to gv in this game, but you will have to learn how to break a spawn camp.
It has already be pointed out there is NO spawn camping of players of equal skill level....well at least not for long....
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OK. In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.
Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp. The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).
"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable. The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing). Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages. He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn. Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him. Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective. I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers. Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum. I'll take this one step further. In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.
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Go back to the first page of this topic I just wanted to provide simple techniques for driving a Gv not tyo argue with skanks about camping. If you find use of my tips great and I salute you. :salute
If you find nothing here of interest then shove off and ship out go somewhere else.
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OK. In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.
Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp. The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).
"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable. The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing). Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages. He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn. Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him. Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective. I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers. Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum. I'll take this one step further. In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.
Chiming in here finally after reading this ongoing drivel for a few days. I have to agree with Bald on this one. This is a bunch of hoo-haa that hardly benefits anyone in the skills of breaking a spawn camp. It is a how to game your GV score instruction booklet for squeakers. Skanks? Son you have not even begun to be...
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... what? WWII era tanks can't fire accurately on the move, as I am sure you are aware. They have to stop to fire. And if they're defending a base, and you're attacking (hence your ten minute drive,) they're going to go hull-down to await your coming. What do you want them to do, drive in circles to make it easier for you to spot them? :rofl
That might be true, but I highly doubt it's what Belial here intended by providing it. It is true and Politics dont concern me your or any one elses.
Unless you take the novel measure of not driving to the target base in a straight line... it's a big world out there with a lot of hedges. You can run in circles for all i care.
Well, sure. "Camping" was a keynote of actual WWII armor tactics. There's a difference between camping and spawn camping. Real tank battles were usually a game of hide-and-seek, with the one getting the first shot off usually being the victor. and?
Half-way to town I have the option of simply driving around, or advancing towards potential ambush points cautiously. At the spawn, I have about five seconds of boredom before I am blown to kingdom come by somebody who watched me pop into existence right in front of them. It does not matter how you drive you have less of an advantage because you don't know where im at. Plus i have sight and sound on you ,, you have neither on me
I'm sympathetic to the point you're making here- that most players don't feel like driving around for forty minutes peeking around bushes, they want to fight. I am that way myself. A spawn-camp isn't a fight, however, it's a shooting gallery. Unless I am fundamentally mis-understanding how gv spawns work. It absolutely is a fight if you have even skill level.
When you nuke somebody mere seconds after they spawn, before they can do anything of substance, it's still spawncamping...
Yeah. There is a middle ground between the two, even a good hunter sometimes hunkers down and waits if he suspects his foe is in the area and moving towards a good kill-zone. And campers do require a LOT of patience to land their kills; this isn't some online FPS where you can sit behind a heavily traveled corner and rack up easy kills. If some more people got tricky instead of just making a beeline between their base and the target, camping would be less effective, and fraught with perils of it's own- the enemy might come up behind you, or you'll hear them coming from the wrong direction and be forced to budge.
Agreed.
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I'll take you up on that offer.
OK. In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.
Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp. The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).
"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable. The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing). Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages. He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn. Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him. Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective. I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers. Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum. I'll take this one step further. In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.you have died plenty of times camping
Tell me HOW to spawn camp and ill tell you..... How do you spawn camp?
Your argument is stacked in your favor..and you delete any reall info......Ill bet you that you were shooting noobs....... you need to smell what your shoveling ..There is no way your going to get that many kills on a player of equal skill level.. it not going to happen.....
13 years of playing and all you can post is an argument based on killing two weekersss come on for petes sake.
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Your argument is stacked in your favor..and you delete any reall info......Ill bet you that you were shooting noobs....... you need to smell what your shoveling ..There is no way your going to get that many kills on a player of equal skill level.. it not going to happen.....
13 years of playing and all you can post is an argument based on killing two weekersss come on for petes sake.
How exactly are my comments stacked in my favor? Please provide details.
What "real info" did I delete? I simply quoted you and stated my counter opinions. Again, please provide details of the info I "deleted".
You have no idea who I killed so your argument that it was two-weekers is baseless... unless of course you're basing it on your own inability to kill an "equally skilled player" when you have all the advantages.
Oh, and before I forget, I'm still waiting for you to explain how telling someone how to spawn camp also tells them how to break a spawn camp.
BTW, I like how you didn't put these comments in red and hid them at the bottom of my quote so that I couldn't directly quote you... oops.
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Oh, and before I forget, I'm still waiting for you to explain how telling someone how to spawn camp also tells them how to break a spawn camp.
I will tell you this Bald...it did not work for poor FireDrgn last night. Did it Fire? :uhoh
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Not much of a gv'er myself. Pretty much given up with tanks,except the wirbel which i'm reasonably profficient with. If I was to participate in a GV training session,all I would require is how to aim and fire at a variety of ranges and how to hit specific areas on the enemy GV.
Tactics on how to use a tank? I could decide/learn that myself. Teaching how to spawn camp should be tempered with strategies on how to break spawn camping. If you want to learn how to gv i'd expect to learn both. It'd be like tryin to learn to play the piano with your left hand, but not your right.
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I don't mean to interrupt the whining and boohooing going on now, but I have a serious question for anyone reading this now "dis-colored" topic.
My question: Has anyone noticed that the very first shot taken with an Ostwind fires two rounds at the same time? I have tried to "single fire" an Osti many times with great success, but, for some reason, the first trigger pull 99.9% of the time has resulted in TWO rounds expelled from the end of the barrel at the same time. I know this is not just a visual "bug" because the ammo counter shows two rounds less after that trigger pull. Several other players, members of my previous squad, have had the same thing happen to them. Any ideas of whats going on? Is this just a glitch? Or are 5-6 people having hallucinations,lol? I had film of it, but lost it. Not sure how to post films on forums anyhoo.
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Not much of a gv'er myself. Pretty much given up with tanks,except the wirbel which i'm reasonably profficient with. If I was to participate in a GV training session,all I would require is how to aim and fire at a variety of ranges and how to hit specific areas on the enemy GV.
Tactics on how to use a tank? I could decide/learn that myself. Teaching how to spawn camp should be tempered with strategies on how to break spawn camping. If you want to learn how to gv i'd expect to learn both. It'd be like tryin to learn to play the piano with your left hand, but not your right.
For starters when you are zoomed in on a target and have your sites where you think the bullet will hit the bad guy, put your cursor on that distance line as a reference. This will give you a basis for aiming up or down and save time.
2nd depending on what type of tank you are shooting at there are "kill zones" To kill a Tiger-shoot for the turret where it meets the body in a frontal attack, and in the same spot at bottom of turret for a side attack. For the t34-85 as well as the t34-76-in a frontal attack aim for the bottom of the frontal armor, I like to call it a chin shot, and in attack on the side of t34's try to aim from the center of the tracks to 3/4 up the tracks. When fighting a m4-firefly-an m4 may seem very intimidating which they are with that big gun, but go for that same kind of "chin shot" i mentioned earlier bottom of front armor and you will get a 1shot kill. When fighting a Panzer, almost anyplace on a panzer when hit will result in a kill, but you may get a ricochet off of some points in the armor, I aim for the turret.
3rd Whenever possible try to shoot on level ground, shooting crooked may result in missing an easy shot that would have otherwise saved your life.
4th Whenever possible find some sort of dirt mound to park behind, the less of your tank you expose the harder it will be for them to hit you, and also if you park diagonal behind a hill in for example a sherman, most rounds that do hit you will ricochet off of your turret.
5th If your find yourself severely outnumbered supplies can be a lifesaver, a t34-85 parked behind a hill with only the turret exposed is impossible to die in. The turret on a t34-85 is indestructible, and you will have 8 extra chances at surviving with supplies around.
6th If you find yourself wanting to spawn into a field and discover somebody has it camped, spawn in a perkless ride like a panzer and dont try to shoot first sortie, get into your pintle gun and scan for enemies before starting your engine. Wait for the camper to fire a round and kill you, "important" make a mental note of where the round came from, now it is your turn. You spawn in a t34-85 "which has the faster turret in the game" and spin that turret around to where they were sitting, now when they appear blast them and wait for the "you cheated accusations" lol.
7th If you wish to take out the beast the Tiger, which it is when used properly. Ask someone if they would mind setting out supplys for you before upping, if no one will run some out yourself before upping the Tiger. It is important to put the supplys in a spot at least 2,500 yards from the tanks you will be shooting. I recommend a hilltop, but never park with your Tiger facing downhill, as its turret is very weak, and this exposes you to shots on top of your turret. At a range of over 2,500 yards, only truly skilled tank drivers will be able to kill you with supplies around. So have fun putting a Tiger to good use, which isnt often done in Aces High.
Those were my original gv tips...I didnt want to give anyone a reason to argue I dont know how it started.
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Enjoyed this discussion... minus the ones which haven't been on topic.
But, please talk more about angles and what you mean by turning diagonal, etc. I'm assuming you mean from a defensive action when being shot at.
For killing tanks, I have spent a lot of off-line practice time hitting tanks and it seems to not even be close to on-line. I can get 1 shot kills all day long from many angles and areas on the drone tanks. Once I go on-line, I don't see the same results.
I think I need to see pictures or something on these angles.
The chin shot on a T34, I've personally never been able to do this. Not sure why, but the rounds usually deflect into the dirt
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,269006.0.html
That should be exactly what you needed. :salute
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Thanks Belial, appreciate the Bump, sure some of the FA guys will as well
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To break a spawn camper bring il2. other planes with eggs are for tards. also killing tanks without at least 2 werbies around is boring. Nothing funnier than killing that single tank in middle of werbies. :)
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To break a spawn camper bring il2. other planes with eggs are for tards.
Il-2 is as easy mode as dropping eggs is. :P
The AH gentleman kills tanks in a Hurricane IID :old: