Would anyone be interested in a few gv tips?

[Belial]

Firedrgns right if you think dying at the spawn sucks its ten times worse when you drove 10 min just to get popped by a hiding camper.

And if you think I have to park close because I cant shoot long range your kidding yourself, I am just as accurate at 4,000 yards as 1,600.

Check the logs from Tunisia frame 3 I had the most kills of anyone and that was wide open desert Gv'ing.

[ap1102]

Belial- Excellent post my brother. I am a novice at best in the GV's but one thingi have learned is that you can earn a lot of GV points very quickly in resupply runs on bases. I seldom can hit a thing with the main gun before someone else usually takes me out but those boring resupply runs let me take a tiger out once in a while anyway. keep up the excellent posts. EZRhino.

[Demetrious]

Firedrgns right if you think dying at the spawn sucks its ten times worse when you drove 10 min just to get popped by a hiding camper.

... what? WWII era tanks can't fire accurately on the move, as I am sure you are aware. They have to stop to fire. And if they're defending a base, and you're attacking (hence your ten minute drive,) they're going to go hull-down to await your coming. What do you want them to do, drive in circles to make it easier for you to spot them? 

The tips posted here actually will help you break a "spawn" camp not keep it.......

That might be true, but I highly doubt it's what Belial here intended by providing it.

Any one has a better chance of killing a spawn camper than you have making it to town if someone is waiting for you... 

Unless you take the novel measure of not driving to the target base in a straight line... it's a big world out there with a lot of hedges.

ANY TIME A GV IS PARKED AND WAITING THEY ARE CAMPED.

So if you use your logic..  ANY advice given encourages camping.

Well, sure. "Camping" was a keynote of actual WWII armor tactics. There's a difference between camping and spawn camping. Real tank battles were usually a game of hide-and-seek, with the one getting the first shot off usually being the victor.

It does not matter were there at....think about it for a minute....You think that its unfair in a situation were YOU have a better chance of killing the other gv.

At a spawn you know you have a fight waiting..... half way to town your clueless.

Half-way to town I have the option of simply driving around, or advancing towards potential ambush points cautiously. At the spawn, I have about five seconds of boredom before I am blown to kingdom come by somebody who watched me pop into existence right in front of them.

I'm sympathetic to the point you're making here- that most players don't feel like driving around for forty minutes peeking around bushes, they want to fight. I am that way myself. A spawn-camp isn't a fight, however, it's a shooting gallery. Unless I am fundamentally mis-understanding how gv spawns work. 

And if you think I have to park close because I cant shoot long range your kidding yourself, I am just as accurate at 4,000 yards as 1,600.

When you nuke somebody mere seconds after they spawn, before they can do anything of substance, it's still spawncamping...

I like the hunt and kill to much to be a good camper....point and shoot is not my thing.

Yeah. There is a middle ground between the two, even a good hunter sometimes hunkers down and waits if he suspects his foe is in the area and moving towards a good kill-zone. And campers do require a LOT of patience to land their kills; this isn't some online FPS where you can sit behind a heavily traveled corner and rack up easy kills. If some more people got tricky instead of just making a beeline between their base and the target, camping would be less effective, and fraught with perils of it's own- the enemy might come up behind you, or you'll hear them coming from the wrong direction and be forced to budge.

yeah, it's not camping if it's a double spawn & both teams are: up-shoot-kill-die-rinse&repeat.

Agreed.

[BaldEagl]

Alright demetr you whanna test out your theory that its easy?  I'll let you set up postition and try to camp me I bet I kill you within 5 sorties.

I'll take you up on that offer.

Here is the real question.  I asked you How..... because i want you to think about it for a minute.  If some tells you HOW to spawn camp. They are allso telling you how to BREAK a spawn camp.





The tips posted here actually will help you break a "spawn" camp not keep it.......

Camping the spawn is a good way to get your self killed. My best kill sorties have been in the woods half way to town.....

Understand this:


Any one has a better chance of killing a spawn camper than you have making it to town if someone is waiting for you...  

ANY TIME A GV IS PARKED AND WAITING THEY ARE CAMPED.

So if you use your logic..  ANY advice given encourages camping.   I understand what BElial said im asking you to use the information differantly.

It does not matter were there at....think about it for a minute....You think that its unfair in a situation were YOU have a better chance of killing the other gv.

At a spawn you know you have a fight waiting..... half way to town your clueless.

99% of players will not drive to town and get killed more that 3 times... The same players will up at a spawn umpteen times......

Ill use myself as an example.......... If you up at a spawn you have a 50 % 50% chance of killing me.... If im waiting for you half way between...... Your going to be asking yourself where the heck did that come from where is he..... YOU WILL HAVE TO BOmb ME to kill me....

My point is "spawn" camping is only bad because of your lack of refrances. someones opinion of spawn camping always reflects their skill level.  You dont have to be good at spawn camping to gv in this game, but you will have to learn how to break a spawn camp.


It has already be pointed out  there is NO spawn camping of players of equal skill level....well at least not for long....

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OK.  In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.

Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp.  The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).

"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable.  The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing).  Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages.  He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn.  Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him.  Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective.  I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers.  Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum.  I'll take this one step further.  In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.

[Belial]

Go back to the first page of this topic I just wanted to provide simple techniques for driving a Gv not tyo argue with skanks about camping.  If you find use of my tips great and I salute you.

If you find nothing here of interest then shove off and ship out go somewhere else.

[waystin2]

OK.  In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.

Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp.  The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).

"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable.  The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing).  Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages.  He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn.  Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him.  Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective.  I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers.  Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum.  I'll take this one step further.  In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.

Chiming in here finally after reading this ongoing drivel for a few days.  I have to agree with Bald on this one.  This is a bunch of hoo-haa that hardly benefits anyone in the skills of breaking a spawn camp.  It is a how to game your GV score instruction booklet for squeakers.  Skanks?  Son you have not even begun to be...

[Belial]

See Rule #4

[FireDrgn]

... what? WWII era tanks can't fire accurately on the move, as I am sure you are aware. They have to stop to fire. And if they're defending a base, and you're attacking (hence your ten minute drive,) they're going to go hull-down to await your coming. What do you want them to do, drive in circles to make it easier for you to spot them? 

That might be true, but I highly doubt it's what Belial here intended by providing it. It is true and Politics dont concern me your or any one elses.

Unless you take the novel measure of not driving to the target base in a straight line... it's a big world out there with a lot of hedges. You can run in circles for all i care.

Well, sure. "Camping" was a keynote of actual WWII armor tactics. There's a difference between camping and spawn camping. Real tank battles were usually a game of hide-and-seek, with the one getting the first shot off usually being the victor. and?

Half-way to town I have the option of simply driving around, or advancing towards potential ambush points cautiously. At the spawn, I have about five seconds of boredom before I am blown to kingdom come by somebody who watched me pop into existence right in front of them. It does not matter how you drive you have less of an advantage because you don't know where im at. Plus i have sight and sound on you ,, you have neither on me

I'm sympathetic to the point you're making here- that most players don't feel like driving around for forty minutes peeking around bushes, they want to fight. I am that way myself. A spawn-camp isn't a fight, however, it's a shooting gallery. Unless I am fundamentally mis-understanding how gv spawns work.  It absolutely is a fight if you have even skill level.

When you nuke somebody mere seconds after they spawn, before they can do anything of substance, it's still spawncamping...

Yeah. There is a middle ground between the two, even a good hunter sometimes hunkers down and waits if he suspects his foe is in the area and moving towards a good kill-zone. And campers do require a LOT of patience to land their kills; this isn't some online FPS where you can sit behind a heavily traveled corner and rack up easy kills. If some more people got tricky instead of just making a beeline between their base and the target, camping would be less effective, and fraught with perils of it's own- the enemy might come up behind you, or you'll hear them coming from the wrong direction and be forced to budge.

Agreed.

[FireDrgn]

I'll take you up on that offer.


OK.  In 13 years of playing these games this is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.

Fist of all how does telling someone HOW to spawn camp in any way help someone to BREAK a spawn camp.  The true methods of breaking a spawn camp; multiple coordinated spawners and taking advantage of game lag are in no way related to the tactics used to camp on the other side of the coin (hull down, keyholed, long range, etc.).

"Camping at a spawn is a good way to get yourself killed" is laughable.  The only way that will happen is if you are the lone camper and one of the two methods I mentioned above are used (discounting bombing).  Otherwise the camper has ALL the advatages.  He knows the location and the boundries of the spawn area and knows the ranges to each spot within the spawn.  Furthermore, he has the opening advantage of surprise and, if he's effective (one-shot kills), it will take several ups to locate him.  Even against multiple uppers the camper can be effective.  I've landed 38 kills against 2-3 simultaneous uppers before and got killed with 36 against 4-5 upppers.  Really, if you only have a 50-50 chance of survival spawn camping as you yourself said, then you must be the worst GVer in the game and should not be leaving advice in the Help and Training forum.  I'll take this one step further.  In the shooting gallery that is the typical spawn camp (spawn area surrounded by campers) if you get killed as a camper you are a truely worthless GVer and should find another part of the game to play.you have died plenty of times camping


Tell me HOW to spawn camp and ill tell you..... How do you spawn camp?

Your argument is stacked in your favor..and you delete any reall info......Ill bet you that you were shooting noobs....... you need to smell what your shoveling  ..There is no way your going to get that many kills on a player of equal skill level.. it not going to happen.....

13 years of playing and all you can post is an argument based on killing two weekersss  come on for petes sake.

[BaldEagl]

Your argument is stacked in your favor..and you delete any reall info......Ill bet you that you were shooting noobs....... you need to smell what your shoveling  ..There is no way your going to get that many kills on a player of equal skill level.. it not going to happen.....

13 years of playing and all you can post is an argument based on killing two weekersss  come on for petes sake.

How exactly are my comments stacked in my favor?  Please provide details.

What "real info" did I delete?  I simply quoted you and stated my counter opinions.  Again, please provide details of the info I "deleted".

You have no idea who I killed so your argument that it was two-weekers is baseless... unless of course you're basing it on your own inability to kill an "equally skilled player" when you have all the advantages.

Oh, and before I forget, I'm still waiting for you to explain how telling someone how to spawn camp also tells them how to break a spawn camp.

BTW, I like how you didn't put these comments in red and hid them at the bottom of my quote so that I couldn't directly quote you... oops.

[waystin2]

Oh, and before I forget, I'm still waiting for you to explain how telling someone how to spawn camp also tells them how to break a spawn camp.

I will tell you this Bald...it did not work for poor FireDrgn last night.  Did it Fire?

[Belial]

BUMP

[Belial]

Bump Bump

[minke]

Not much of a gv'er myself. Pretty much given up with tanks,except the wirbel which i'm reasonably profficient with. If I was to participate in a GV training session,all I would require is how to aim and fire at a variety of ranges and how to hit specific areas on the enemy GV.
Tactics on how to use a tank? I could decide/learn that myself. Teaching how to spawn camp should be tempered with strategies on how to break spawn camping. If you want to learn how to gv i'd expect to learn both. It'd be like tryin to learn to play the piano with your left hand, but not your right.

[chewiex]

I don't mean to interrupt the whining and boohooing going on now, but I have a serious question for anyone reading this now "dis-colored" topic.

My question: Has anyone noticed that the very first shot taken with an Ostwind fires two rounds at the same time? I have tried to "single fire" an Osti many times with great success, but, for some reason, the first trigger pull 99.9% of the time has resulted in TWO rounds expelled from the end of the barrel at the same time. I know this is not just a visual "bug" because the ammo counter shows two rounds less after that trigger pull. Several other players, members of my previous squad, have had the same thing happen to them. Any ideas of whats going on? Is this just a glitch? Or are 5-6 people having hallucinations,lol? I had film of it, but lost it. Not sure how to post films on forums anyhoo.



 
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