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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cthulhu on March 18, 2009, 04:43:02 PM
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OK, I don't play guitar, but it's obvious that a lot of you guys do. Everybody's got an opinion about electric guitar (Clapton, Hendrix, etc.), but what about electric bass?
Who's the best? (Living or dead)
(I know who I'd pick, but I'm curious to hear what you guys think)
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James Jamerson
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Danny Partridge! :D
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James Jamerson
Damn it! Are you looking over my shoulder? :salute
Was it that easy?
Danny Partridge! :D
Trying very hard not to laugh, because that would only encourage you. ;)
(Can you even play a bass in handcuffs?)
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Bill Dickens
Victor Wooten
Steve Harris
in no particular order.
wrongway
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I was told (a long time ago) that the first Metallica bass player was the best ever.
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I like Les claypool alot. Alot of fun listening to him play.
But probably the most under rated player was/is John Paul Jones.
Alot of guys claim its Victor Wooten, and no doubt he is very good, but I don't care for his style.
Can't remember his name, but the Bass player from Dream theatre ain't no slouch.
Its all really a matter of taste.
But I would have to say I enjoy listening to John Paul Jones the most. Very understated playing.
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IMO Jamerson was THE MAN, but recognizing a few other guys with real talent:
Stanley Clarke
Geddy Lee
Mel Schacher (probably alone on that one, but I liked his heavy approach as a kid)
(Listen to the bass line on Stevie Wonder's "I Was Made To Love Her". Jamerson was a genius with a bass)
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Victor Wooten or Berry Oakley of the Allman Brothers Band
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Flea
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John Entwistle is teh bestest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVl39LBZGMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQk0av8L0oY&feature=related
I rest my case. :aok
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Les Claypool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkvBqp8R8E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkvBqp8R8E)
John Entwistle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfDE-ZvfOwU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfDE-ZvfOwU&feature=related)
Billy Sheehan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StMtNQkCqUU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StMtNQkCqUU&feature=related)
Cliff Burton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpmJu9RWQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLpmJu9RWQQ)
If I had to pick one, it would be Les Claypool. That guy has done so many different styles and types of songs. A very diverse and talented musician who has gone places with a bass that many can only dream of. He inspired me to start playing bass 11 years ago and there are still very few songs of his that I can keep up with. :rock
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Scott LaFaro without question.
http://www.jazzimprov.com/links/legends.cfm?legend_id=12
speaking of great bassist: I met Jaco in 1981/82 (forgot the EXACT date) while in boston. He walked in the room and LOUDLY stated "My name is Jaco Pastorious and im the greatest bass player in the world" he was drunk, smelled bad, looked like a homeless person, was wearing a FILTHY trench coat and was loud and rude.
I took off my bass and handed it to him and he played his butt off. then he jumped on piano and started sing and playing some CRAZY blues tunes. i was in shock for a week.
Scott LaFaro was jacos favorite bassist, i have been told, dont know that for a fact though
and you can hear MY music here
www.myspace.com/6colures
zuii
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Bill Dance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3F5ioMZDTM
-Sik
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John Myung is the Bass Player from Dream Theater. Since nobody has mentioned it I'll throw Bootsie Collins into the mix.
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Talas2 from my squad is Billy Sheehans 1st cousin. :O
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Damn it! Are you looking over my shoulder? :salute
Was it that easy?
Trying very hard not to laugh, because that would only encourage you. ;)
(Can you even play a bass in handcuffs?)
It was that easy. Entwhistle would be next, followed by Dee Murray.
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John Entwistle is teh bestest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVl39LBZGMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQk0av8L0oY&feature=related
I rest my case. :aok
That's always the first name I think of as well when asked that question.
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John Myung is the Bass Player from Dream Theater. Since nobody has mentioned it I'll throw Bootsie Collins into the mix.
He and Mike Portnoy are both patients at the Chiropractor that my wife works for.
Oh, yeah.... John Paul Jones
:rock
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I have always like Claypool, but I would have to say Cliff Burton. What he achieved in his short life was incredible, and to me, was the most musical out of all the bassists I've. Someone told me that Sheehan was the best ever, but he just plays superfast without really feeling anything (at least that's what I hear in his playing). Simply put, the 1st album, with his recorded solo, says 'bass solo, take one.' and to this day is one of best I've ever heard.
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It was that easy. Entwhistle would be next, followed by Dee Murray.
Starting to wonder if any of these guys know who he was.
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James Jamerson without a doubt. I would follow it up with Tommy Shannon from Stevie Ray Vaughan's band. The guy was smooth as glass and could hold down the bottom with elegant lines.
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No doubt about it. Easiest question to answer.
The man who changed the sound of Bass playing.....James Jamerson.
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If I had to pick one, it would be Les Claypool. That guy has done so many different styles and types of songs.
This includes the south park theme I believe :)
At the top of my list as well.
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I would say in no particular order:
Marcus Miller
Cliff Burton
Les Claypool
flea
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Jaco Pastorius
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stever harris of iron maiden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Harris_(musician)
Cliff Burton of Metallica (before he died of course)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Burton
are my two choices
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Paul McCartney was the first bring the bass up in the mix like we're used to hearing today. While there are better players, he deserves kudos for his inovation on the instrument. He is also one of the most melodic players of all time. I won't make a bold statement like "there would be no modern bass as we know it without McCartney" but he was right there at the cusp and deserves his place as an original inovator of the instrument. Add into this the fact that, whether they'd admit it or not, Paul inspired a generation of musicians to pick up the bass by bringing it to the fore as an instrument that really mattered in the mix, and Paul gets my vote as being the greatest bassist of all time.
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I would have to say les Claypool. Like stated so many times he does so much and is so different he has to be right up there.
I heard a story that after Cliff Burton died Claypool tried out for Metallica. After his audition James Hatfield said thanks but your to good. I dont remember where I hear the story... I think it was on VH1 Metallica behind the music.
I also like;
Giddy Lee
John Paul Jones
and John Entwistle
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I would have to say les Claypool. Like stated so many times he does so much and is so different he has to be right up there.
I heard a story that after Cliff Burton died Claypool tried out for Metallica. After his audition James Hatfield said thanks but your to good. I dont remember where I hear the story... I think it was on VH1 Metallica behind the music.
I also like;
Giddy Lee
John Paul Jones
and John Entwistle
yeah i heard thats story i think it was behind the music on VH1 but i dont think thats what was said. i dont think he fit the metallica look for them
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Paul Siminon
Paul Gardiner.
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Paul McCartney was the first bring the bass up in the mix like we're used to hearing today. While there are better players, he deserves kudos for his inovation on the instrument. He is also one of the most melodic players of all time. I won't make a bold statement like "there would be no modern bass as we know it without McCartney" but he was right there at the cusp and deserves his place as an original inovator of the instrument. Add into this the fact that, whether they'd admit it or not, Paul inspired a generation of musicians to pick up the bass by bringing it to the fore as an instrument that really mattered in the mix, and Paul gets my vote as being the greatest bassist of all time.
I disagree with most of the above quote as McCartney is not the "innovator" of the Bass. Jamerson holds a much stronger place in that category. His 62 Fender P-Bass (The Funk Machine) was deemed "unplayable" by Entwhistle, Bruce and many other "top bassists". He is the ONLY bass player I know of that "made an electric bass sound like an upright." He never changed the flatwound strings on his bass, on top of the fact they were raised as high as he could get them.
Not to mention this fact: Bernard Odum, Anthony Jackson, Jack Bruce, John Entwistle, Bernard Edwards, Jaco Pastorius, John Paul Jones, Robert DeLeo, Mike Watt, Billy Sheehan, Victor Wooten, and Paul McCartney have claimed James Jamerson as their primary influence.
Jamerson also was recollected by fellow Funk Brothers as: "Laying on his back and played What's Going On? and Mercy, Mercy Me, because he was drunk and hung over."
James Jamerson, NOT Macca, brought the Bass to the front of the Music scene. He played on more #1 hits, as did the Funk Brothers, than the Beatles, Stones, Elvis and The Beach Boys combined. His "tone" is tops.
I think Cthulhu knew my first reply was "quick, but there is something Karaya isn't saying." The above is why I responded with a single name. There is no comparison to Jamerson, everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
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(http://www.billdanceoutdoors.com/images/photo_gallery/general/large/1.jpg)
Bill Dance is the greatest Bass player out there. I mean LOOK :O at that Bass he has there!!!!!!
:rofl :devil
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I was told (a long time ago) that the first Metallica bass player was the best ever.
I never heard ron mcgovney play, who first played bass for metallica, but i think your friend meant cliff burton, and i agree.
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Starting to wonder if any of these guys know who he was.
"The Who" HELLO!!! :frown:
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Im a huge early Metallica fan, but I could never get to like the bass solo. That said Id say Flea, or Les but over the years theres been lots of great bassists, many Ive probably never heard.
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"The Who" HELLO!!! :frown:
thats exactly what hes saying " WHO???"
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thats exactly what hes saying " WHO???"
"Who" is on first!!
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I disagree with most of the above quote as McCartney is not the "innovator" of the Bass. Jamerson holds a much stronger place in that category. His 62 Fender P-Bass (The Funk Machine) was deemed "unplayable" by Entwhistle, Bruce and many other "top bassists". He is the ONLY bass player I know of that "made an electric bass sound like an upright." He never changed the flatwound strings on his bass, on top of the fact they were raised as high as he could get them.
Not to mention this fact: Bernard Odum, Anthony Jackson, Jack Bruce, John Entwistle, Bernard Edwards, Jaco Pastorius, John Paul Jones, Robert DeLeo, Mike Watt, Billy Sheehan, Victor Wooten, and Paul McCartney have claimed James Jamerson as their primary influence.
Jamerson also was recollected by fellow Funk Brothers as: "Laying on his back and played What's Going On? and Mercy, Mercy Me, because he was drunk and hung over."
James Jamerson, NOT Macca, brought the Bass to the front of the Music scene. He played on more #1 hits, as did the Funk Brothers, than the Beatles, Stones, Elvis and The Beach Boys combined. His "tone" is tops.
I think Cthulhu knew my first reply was "quick, but there is something Karaya isn't saying." The above is why I responded with a single name. There is no comparison to Jamerson, everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
Couldn't have said it any better. :aok
This may bore you metal-heads, but turn up the bass line and listen. Oddly enough, there was recorded music before 1980.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhE_XuefcQ
(Zohan, you might consider this as an alternate avatar; no airplane to confuse folks)
Another excellent video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCrO3iVWZE8
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Not real into the bass, love John Entwhistle's playing though.
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I heard a story that after Cliff Burton died Claypool tried out for Metallica. After his audition James Hatfield said thanks but your to good. I dont remember where I hear the story... I think it was on VH1 Metallica behind the music.
*snip*
I would have to agree with that. Les Claypool fits only where he is.....in the front with his bass taking complete control of the song. He would be an absolute nightmare for an established band with guitar players used to being in the limelight. :aok
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Sorry....quite frankly McCartney is a joke as a Bassist. The beatles re recorded many of Motowns hits. And Jamerson was around longer then McCartney
and influenced McCartneys Bass playing. McCartney to Jamerson is like comparing Jose Canseco to Babe Ruth. Can't happen is laughable.
Jamerson.....member of the rock and roll hall of fame as a side man. So is Benny Benjamin.
I don't know why they are listed as side men! If it weren't for Musicians like them there would have been no Motown.
Jazz........more then likely why a lot of people haven't heard of Jamerson. Not a great many of us that really like and listen to Jazz.
While recording a track...Jamerson, Benjamin etc. would start something out...then one by one others would jump in with something to fit.
No music written, they just laid down the track for the tune. talk about creativity! Jamerson laid down the bottom line like no other.
Creativity is what Jamerson had that most Bass players don't. Can't be a musician without creativity.
There is a difference between a technician and a musician. To be a musician you had to be both.
To many technicians listed in this post and few musicians.
That is why hands down....no contest...don't even think it.... Jamerson is da man!
Also....comparing my age to a lot of folks here I'm regarded as a geezer :D but that age gives me the
experience of listening to rock and roll since its' birth to the present.
Jamerson da man....end of story, no debate, it ain't even close or fair to compare him to others.
He was the creator of the modern bassists sound.
BTW the majority of those listed in this post...if not all mention Jamerson as their chief influence.
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Cliff Burton (1st bassist for Metallica). He was a MANIAC on that bass. I've never seen anyone since that can play a 4 string bass with the speed and accuracy that he could.
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^Technician not a musician.....NEXT!
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All a matter of taste:
McCartney is the best instinctive melodic player to ever lay hands on flatwounds. Technically average but the melodies he came up with were so well matched to the structure of whatever he played that it was pure midas touch.
Entwhistle of course a great technical player. A great musician. Same with Geddy Lee, only better.
Chris Squire invented a sound no one has come close to. His use of the Rickenbacker 4001 is legendary to anyone who knows anything about founding the modern bass. Listen to Rituals part I and II. Listen to Close to the Edge...hell....listen to anything Yes recorded between 69 and 79.....
Tom Peterson, my man who invented the 12 string bass. Another player like McCartney, superb melodies yet he has a technical ability that is still unique.
A guy I always thought was a great player is Ron Blair from the Heartbreakers. Great tone, great melody...great feel for the bottom end.
Jack Bruce......one of the great English bassists. A great age improv man. His EB3 was thunder in a box.
John Stirratt from Wilco is a bassist I have enjoyed listening to for many years, a great touch and even better tone.
Going to call props out to my man Bill Wyman for playing bass and making a groove like no other ever has.
Lots of bassists today are great players....unfortunately not much great music to go along with them.
Never had any use for Eddie Van Sheehan.
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John Paul Jones
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Quite frankly anything Beatles imho is not really great music.....popular yes but great...um....no.
Really great songs like I wanna hold your hand? She loves you ya ya yaaaa :huh today is your birthday?
What depth...what intricacy..NOT. Popular yes.....good.......no.
We all have likes and dislikes....this discussion could go on forever since it just reflects ones taste.
Historically though Jamerson is regarded even in Bass players circles to be the best of all time.
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Quite frankly anything Beatles imho is not really great music.....popular yes but great...um....no.
Really great songs like I wanna hold your hand? She loves you ya ya yaaaa :huh today is your birthday?
What depth...what intricacy..NOT. Popular yes.....good.......no.
We all have likes and dislikes....this discussion could go on forever since it just reflects ones taste.
Historically though Jamerson is regarded even in Bass players circles to be the best of all time.
Come on Hajo, not all Beatle's tunes were useless pulp, though I'm glad to see you're holding the Jamerson standard high. :aok (I'm still guessing that a lot of these guys hadn't heard of him before this thread)
All in all, a great discussion. Thx for contributing guys. :aok
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2 Best metal Bassists hands down: Cliff Burton and Steve Harris....
1st Runner-Up-------> Scott Reeder (Kyuss, Unida, The Obsessed, Orange Goblin, Goatsnake)
Other guys just play the notes.... These guys carry the rhythm....
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You know how to get a bass player off your front porch, right?
Pay him for the pizza!
Ok, ok, I'm sorry... I couldn't resist...don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player!
Oh, and it's James Jamerson by a mile!
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I like Les claypool alot. Alot of fun listening to him play.
But probably the most under rated player was/is John Paul Jones.
Alot of guys claim its Victor Wooten, and no doubt he is very good, but I don't care for his style.
Can't remember his name, but the Bass player from Dream theatre ain't no slouch.
Its all really a matter of taste.
But I would have to say I enjoy listening to John Paul Jones the most. Very understated playing.
John Paul Jones AWESOME straight up awesome.
then again Zeppelin are by far the greatest, all four of the members were great at what they did.
then of course the guy from Primus(not sure of his name?)
and Steve Harris from iron Maiden
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After reviewing James Jamerson's work I must admit, I'm most impressed by his sound. I never realized he was the one playing bass on many of the songs where the bass caught my ear the most. I'll now list John Entwistle as second next to Jamerson.
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Xargos...atta boy!
At least someone in this thread listened to his playing.
Most of these gents refering to metal bass guitarists don't know or don't realize what Jamerson did or played.
Again...metal....great technicians...but musicians sorry to say......not.
Btw gents....Jamerson played the Bass with ONE finger. His style was called "the hook".
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After reviewing James Jamerson's work I must admit, I'm most impressed by his sound. I never realized he was the one playing bass on many of the songs where the bass caught my ear the most. I'll now list John Entwistle as second next to Jamerson.
Amazing wasn't he? Many people are surprised to learn they've heard him their entire life.
Some of Jamerson's better known bass lines:
Ain't Too Proud to Beg
Dancing in the Street
For Once In My Life
Get Ready
I Can't Help Myself
I Heard It Through The Grapevine
I Second That Emotion
Its The Same Old Song
My Girl (I doubt there's anyone on the planet who doesn't recognize this opening bass line)
My Guy
Reach Out, I'll Be There
Shotgun
Stop! In The Name of Love
Whats Going On
You Keep Me Hanging On
Check this one out. Kind of a lame song, but the bass is damned impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-iW51idC0
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Two damn good bass lines from Jamerson that often go unnoticed? (aside from the ones already posted)
You're a Wonderful One - Marvin Gaye
Who's Loving You? - Jackson 5 (would be tops for my picks of all he's done)
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Also....comparing my age to a lot of folks here I'm regarded as a geezer :D but that age gives me the experience of listening to rock and roll since its' birth to the present.
I'll be 36 in June. I love music, not just Pink Floyd as some probably think. I could talk for hours without mentioning PF.
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Best Jamerson Bass Line...Bernadette!
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Amazing wasn't he? Many people are surprised to learn they've heard him their entire life.
I have played bass since 1977.....five of those thirty two years as a full time paid professional, and until this thread I had never heard the name James Jamerson.
So I go check out some of his stuff. First impression is of a great solid bassist.
Damned good and with a wealth of accomplishment. Yet, I wouldn't consider him the greatest by any stretch. Damned good player with a great career. Glad to finally have his name in my log.
The one guy I forgot to mention earlier is Victor Wooten. Although way too expressive for my taste (and ability) the guy is a technical monster with a dash of musical brilliance thrown in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx2vuK5pGTg&feature=related
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Quite frankly anything Beatles imho is not really great music.....popular yes but great...um....no.
On the contrary, of course, everything the Beatles wrote, produced and recorded is truly great music. Even the crappiest Beatles song is a wonderful thing.
Sometimes Hajo, you just got to roll over and get swept away......
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Jamerson... a side man and hall of famer.
Another side man yet to be mentioned.... Tony Levin... wow cant believe he hasnt been mentioned.When Mike Portney was asked who he'd like to have bass with him,Levin was the name he said.
Then there's Graham Chapman... but I digress.... :confused:
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Again...metal....great technicians...but musicians sorry to say......not.
That's a ridiculous statement.
As a musician i started on bass, almost 20 years ago now. When i was in high school i joined the school band, and the music teacher was a huge motown fan. Well we played alot of motown covers, and i had to learn all the bass lines. Basically we would play the motown stuff with the teacher, and whenever he would go out for a smoke, we would jam rock and metal stuff.
Both styles take technical skill, musicianship, and composition skills, in this thread, it's all a matter of preference.
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I digress....Tony Levin. The Stick bass man! A master! First heard of him when he did session work on Lennon's Double Fantasy.
Let us mention, while we are starting to name the literally hundreds of all time great bassists, Jeff Berlin (has he already received mention?)
Hmm..........what about John McVie....another guy who is NOT a technical wizard by any means yet he has laid down some of the best most melodic bass lines
ever recorded.
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Hmm..........what about John McVie....another guy who is NOT a technical wizard by any means yet he has laid down some of the best most melodic bass lines
ever recorded.
Yeah, I like McVie's stuff...
Here ya go Yeager......keep the change.
Hey wait a minute! I didn't order anchovies!
{ducking}
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Tony Levin would get my nod as the Best Bass Player alive. King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, Yes, Buddy Rich, Lennon and 100's others. Previous mentions by me are Deceased.
Levin has always been a favorite of mine.
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Timothy Schmit from the Eagles is another guy who deserves mention not only as a technicaly astute classy bassist but also as an accomplished vocalist.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwMUsew_ZkI <-- here's a relatively unknown bass player i thought was pretty good when i was a kid.
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Les Claypool
Victor Wooten
Billy Sheehan
Edgar Meyer (not a rock type but I've seen him destroy it up with Bela Fleck, Sam Bush, and Jerry Douglas)
I always wanted to form a band out of the best Bass Guitarists in the world. We'd call it the 7 Basstards :rock
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I'm more of a punk rock enthusiast, but my vote would go to Geddy Lee(Rush). That guy is as about as solid as they get. He looks and sings like an old lady, but the guy is pretty amazing at many different styles of music.
Here is a guy (sean Andrews) as good as Geddy playing what Geddy wrote...this is pretty sweet Bassplaying....... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=6383424
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I've seen Rush three times live. The last two right in front of Alex 6 rows back. Geddy is the best bass player I've ever seen with my own eyes. I'm going to try and catch Peter Gabriel the next time he comes around, to see Tony Levin.
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Your criteria is kinda wide. If you mean who can play the most 64th notes in 60 seconds maybe that Jamerson dude might do.
As far as an all around musician some in contention might be: Jeff Berlin, Stanley Clarke, Bootsy Collins, Lance Hoppin, John Paul Jones and Marcus Miller.
The problem is the deeper you look, the more good\great bass players you can find. Who is to judge?
Slade :salute
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http://www.wanderlist.com/bassplayer
1. Michael Steele
2. John Entwistle
3. Paul Chambers
4. Jaco Pastorious
5. Steve Harris
6. Sir Paul McCartney
7. Kasim Sultan
8. John McVie
9. John Myung
10. Cliff Burton (Metallica)
what they got listed from other opinions
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I play a mean bass and have been asked this many times.
#1:Jaco
These guys aren't even close
#2:Paul McCartney
#3:Jamerson
#4:Entwhistle
#5:Geddy Lee
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Jaco got his "tone" straight from Dee Murray. He even admitted it.
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Neg..he got his tone straight from his pre-frontal lobes played by a de-fretted jazz-bass through a Acoustic 15" speaker.
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The One and Only Sir. Paul McCartney :aok
For those of you who think over this name Think Again
Member of the Beatles
Founder Of "Wings"
If you all Heavy Punk Rock Guys Want to Say something else I got something to Say to you :
We today listen to nothing but recycled, digitally-sampled techno-grooves, quasi-synth rhythms, pseudo-songs of violence-laden gansta-rap, acid pop, and simpering, saccarine, soulless slush.If you listen to this you forever separate yourselves from the vital Legacies of Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Goerge Harrison, Ringo Star, Gerry Raffidy Louie Jordan, Little Walter, Big Walter, Sonnyboy Williamson I (and II), Otis Redding, Jackie Wilson, Elvis Pressley, Lieber and Stoller.
when those flames flicker and expire, the light of the world is extinguished because the music which has moved mankind through seven decades leading to the millennium will whither and die on the vine of abandonment and neglect.
Edited Quote From Elwood Blues
<S> 1st Lt. Barko Edwards
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Another Vote for Steve Harris, great player and musician. Throwing in a vote for Joey DeMaio of Manowar as well.
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Throwing in a vote for Joey DeMaio of Manowar as well.
he'd win the arrogance contest, thats about it.
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It's really hard not to put John paul Jones #1 all time.
Here's a few more great bass players, plus a few already mentioned :rock
Michael Anthony (Man I can't believe no has mentioned Mikey yet. So I guess I well. :rock)
Roger Glover
Geezer Butler
Lemmy Kilmister
Billy Cox
Jack Bruce
Sting
Cliff Burton
Adam Clayton
Geddy Lee
Steve Harris
:salute All
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Les Claypool hands down
Bootsy Collins is quite good
I'm surprised no one mentioned Sting until pdm did.
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That's a ridiculous statement.
As a musician i started on bass, almost 20 years ago now. When i was in high school i joined the school band, and the music teacher was a huge motown fan. Well we played alot of motown covers, and i had to learn all the bass lines. Basically we would play the motown stuff with the teacher, and whenever he would go out for a smoke, we would jam rock and metal stuff.
Both styles take technical skill, musicianship, and composition skills, in this thread, it's all a matter of preference.
Have to agree wirh Speed55 there Hajo. :aok
Your criteria is kinda wide. If you mean who can play the most 64th notes in 60 seconds maybe that Jamerson dude might do.
As far as an all around musician some in contention might be: Jeff Berlin, Stanley Clarke, Bootsy Collins, Lance Hoppin, John Paul Jones and Marcus Miller.
The problem is the deeper you look, the more good\great bass players you can find. Who is to judge?
Slade :salute
I left the criteria wide-open on purpose so I'd get a larger response. I'f I'd specified a narrower criteria, like who's the best jazz bassist, a lot of people wouldn't bother responding at all.
I believe to better appreciate Jamerson, it helps to understand the way that Motown created it's music back then. To a large degree, the percussion and bass parts were often ad lib'd, much like live jazz. Jamerson's real talent wasn't just that he could play, he to a large degree "created" many of those old classics. One of the reasons he's developed a following in recent years is largely sentimental. Sadly, it took 40 years for the guy to get any recognition. As a studio musician, he might make $150 for recording a song that would make the vocalist(s) very rich. The poor guy died young and broke, and felt understandably betrayed.
But we all have our own preferences. :salute
(as far as that machine gun 64th notes delivery, I don't know how in the Hell the guy did it. The guy only used one finger!)
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Gene Simmons.
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Gene Simmons.
No, he's the greediest bass player ever. :D
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Thomas Clark Cogbill.
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John Entwhistle gets extra points for dying, at 65, in bed with a hooker and a bag of blow :aok
Sir Paul is 2nd---Hajo, in 1964 "I Wanna Hold your Hand" probably WAS edgy for the day....but listen to side 2 of Abbey Road before you chuck him in the garbage
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Gents my taste in music varies widely...from the Classical to Jazz.
Playing 800 notes a second does not a musician make. There is no "feeling". There is no expression other then rage or anger.
And the Beatles sold a lot of records....to 14 year olds. I know. I was there :D
I like Metal music also...Metallica for one. But that requires less talent and has fewer parts.
2 guitars and a Bass and drums maybe a keyboard does not a symphony make.
Fewer parts, less intricacy less expression. It can sound good. But it sure ain't great ;)
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Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, and...
this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw8cza_y3MI
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Argh, can't belive I forgot the great Lee Rocker
(http://www.nga.ch/img/Blue%20Balls%202004/Stray%20Cats/Lee%20Rocker_0005.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT9hf1dw6Hs
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Tony Levin would get my nod as the Best Bass Player alive. King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, Yes, Buddy Rich, Lennon and 100's others. Previous mentions by me are Deceased.
Levin has always been a favorite of mine.
Mash, King Crimson had several fine Bass players,,Greg Lake for 1 and John Whetton who with Bill Bruford could get into a rhythmic trance inducing foray that had to be heard to believe... :) I had the pleasure to see them back in 75..... dang I'm feeling old. :devil-
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he'd win the arrogance contest, thats about it.
Ironic, that is kind of an arrogant statement on your part. I'm sure you have spent many days if not months with him to know.
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Ironic, that is kind of an arrogant statement on your part. I'm sure you have spent many days if not months with him to know.
at worst its ignorant.
he has consistently came across that way in interviews, the lyrical content of the songs, and the few videos of his behavior offstage i've bothered looking at...if that's all just an act, its a damn good one.
but hell, if you know better, good for you.
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Playing 800 notes a second does not a musician make. There is no "feeling". There is no expression other then rage or anger.
I like Metal music also...Metallica for one. But that requires less talent and has fewer parts.
2 guitars and a Bass and drums maybe a keyboard does not a symphony make.
Fewer parts, less intricacy less expression. It can sound good. But it sure ain't great ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzMJhOwBLqw <-- Metallica - Orion. Just 1 metal song that has everything you say metal doesn't have. Nice try though. I picked this one, since you say you like metallica.
Just curious, do you play any instruments?
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who ever plays this is the greatest "bass" player ever
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/paulnmb/tuna_guitar_fish.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzMJhOwBLqw <-- Metallica - Orion. Just 1 metal song that has everything you say metal doesn't have. Nice try though. I picked this one, since you say you like metallica.
Just curious, do you play any instruments?
i personally like "The Prince" B-side to "ONE" on the 45's
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Geddy Lee hands down...
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5Y9ym0q2w&feature=related
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Geddy Lee hands down...
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5Y9ym0q2w&feature=related
I was at that exact show. Counterparts Tour. It was a Tuesday night and I had to drive my buddy to Central Michigan Univ. afterwards, got home in time for my pop to go to work.
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I was at that exact show. Counterparts Tour. It was a Tuesday night and I had to drive my buddy to Central Michigan Univ. afterwards, got home in time for my pop to go to work.
Lucky you! Ive always wanted to see Rush in concert. I hear they are one of the best bands to see live.
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Speed I play several instruments and have formal Music training and education.
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Lucky you! Ive always wanted to see Rush in concert. I hear they are one of the best bands to see live.
I was also 6 rows from them for the Test for Echo and Vapor Trails tours. Last two were the best though, they did 2112 in it's entirety. Only song I wish they'd do nowadays is "In The End." My favorite song by them.
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Gabby gets a bit annoying but this is a nice Bass heavy jam. Les Claypool with Gabby La La, Benevento/Russo Duo (Great drummer and keys duo, always have fun at their shows), Phil Lesh (if you don't know who he played bass for I'm just going to pretend I don't know you), and Mike Gordon (something a little Phishy :D ).
I'd like to get the whole DVD just to watch the rest of the jam.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4641681
Crank the bass on your system for the best effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzMJhOwBLqw <-- Metallica - Orion. Just 1 metal song that has everything you say metal doesn't have. Nice try though. I picked this one, since you say you like metallica.
Just curious, do you play any instruments?
Everyone knows Metallica has been worthless since Load, probably before that a bit actually.
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Everyone knows Metallica has been worthless since Load, probably before that a bit actually.
I personally think they've been worthless since "...and justice for all."
-by Hajo- Speed I play several instruments and have formal training in Music.
Ok knowing that, i find it kind of suprising or actually weird that you would generalize an entire genre of music and musicians, some of which also have "formal musical training", the way you did. Take just one guy like randy rhoads as an example.
I'm not trying to change your mind though, I guess i took your blanket statement to heart, and not as just an opinion. To each their own.
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IMO the dude from the free credit report dot com guy is. See those moves? :rock
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Easy One for me...
Geezer Butler, IMO..
The Bass work in (Fairies wear boots) set
the standard for rock bass players...
RC
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Easy One for me...
Geezer Butler, IMO..
The Bass work in (Fairies wear boots) set
the standard for rock bass players...RC
If we're talking "Rock bass players"? "My Generation" sets the bar.
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who ever plays this is the greatest "bass" player ever
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/paulnmb/tuna_guitar_fish.jpg)
Now who said, "You can tune a piano, But ya can't tune a fish" ???
RC
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If we're talking "Rock bass players"? "My Generation" sets the bar.
Ah LOL!!! Your talkin that old 60s Hippy standard...
The Who were always a little too fruity for me...
Too tinny sounding, and not enough power..
Always liked Cream better...
Sabbath set the NEW standard... And started a
whole new genre.. Besides, if you isolate the base
tracks on those 2 songs, it becomes obvious...
The "Geez" was the man!!!
But its cool, everybody has their pref...
RC
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Now who said, "You can tune a piano, But ya can't tune a fish" ???
RC
thes the name of a REO speedwagon album
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Ah LOL!!! Your talkin that old 60s Hippy standard...
The Who were always a little too fruity for me...
Too tinny sounding, and not enough power..
Always liked Cream better...
Sabbath set the NEW standard... And started a
whole new genre.. Besides, if you isolate the base
tracks on those 2 songs, it becomes obvious...
The "Geez" was the man!!!
But its cool, everybody has their pref...
RC
Discarded.
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Me.
Ok ok...
Flea, Getti, & Lenny
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It was late at night and I was on my blackberry... :rolleyes:
I meant Flea, Geddy Lee, & Lemmy Kilmister (Von Motörhead).
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It was late at night and I was on my blackberry... :rolleyes:
I meant Flea, Geddy Lee, & Lemmy Kilmister (Von Motörhead).
Yes, I agree... Geddy and Flea are very very good bassists. In my personal opinion, I believe that Geddy is more than just good at the bass because he does more. He plays the bass, synth, pedals, and sing all at the same time. For those who dont believe that, just look up "Rush" on youtube and find some live performances. Geddy can play right on tempo with the songs and sing in tune.
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yeah i heard thats story i think it was behind the music on VH1 but i dont think thats what was said. i dont think he fit the metallica look for them
Sorry had to put this on there. I am a big Primus fan, and this is just awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9USb_OQza44 (cool metalica here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLnsw7BY3n8 (creative play on tommy the cat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAkvBqp8R8E&feature=related (just les playing a solo)