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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: oakranger on March 21, 2009, 02:20:40 AM
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Great mission setup The Bug. You really brought the historical objective of air defens into the FSO. :salute
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WTG major :salute
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Like I said in the arena last week, we gotta add to that list of guys who can use "The"...
The Pope
The King
The Chisholm
and now,
The Bug
;)
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Dam bug nice job kicking Arse last night :aok
:salute
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I had an odd glitch that gave me some grief last night.
About 10 minutes after take off my text buffer was stuck open along with the ‘tilde’ that expands the text. Thanks to Kansas he suggested I remap my tilde and was able to close the expanded text, but my buffer was still open. The cursor was blinking in it, but it would not type anything. My mouse was working fine, was able to do what I wanted on the clip board, but could not put any text in the bar. I was just stuck open with a blinking cursor. Tried alt tabbing and clearing it from my desktop, but since I could not put it in auto pilot I could not stay at my desktop for very long. Consequently I could no longer communicate with “thebug” for orders. That is when “ghosth” stepped in on channel 150. :) As it was the 332nd just buzzed around for an hour+ with out action. No ones fault really, that just happens some times. We had zone 3 patrolled that for a while, then north to 91 I think it was, then south west to 92, then south east to the grunt factory and finally north again to 85. We never saw an enemy, let alone fire a shot. :( Finally due to fuel we landed at A80 and most called it a night. I think it was a good plan bug, but we could not find a single plane to shoot at.
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I'd have traded an uneventful night for what we had. VMF-251's 8 (7 after a disco about 5mins before contact) P-40s got mobbed by 109s of the AKs, and possibly part of the 325th (initial contact was the AKs from the South and behind. We weren't bounced and saw them coming well in advance, but they had ~2000ft on us and our P-40s were already above optimal altitude. Another group was sighted entering from the North, but I can't confirm whether they joined the horde or not from kills and deaths). Managed to get them down low, but even though we dragged them in close where we could negate the 109's climb and speed advantages there was nothing we could do about the numbers. Any time we got on one's six there were three more coming to help him (by actual count).
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We were one of the groups north of the AKs. We remained posted above 82 and helped mop up the B-26s that were quickly vaporized. Other than that, it was an uneventful frame for us.
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:salute to Pope14 of the Lynchmob. Upon review of my film, you executed the perfect textbook slashing attack on my 109G-6. I never heard or saw you coming, nor did I hear any rounds impact before I was in the tower saying.."Did anyone get the number of that truck? :huh" I gotta learn how to do that! :aok
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"The" Bug:
Great plan and simple. Whenever you can place a defense in depth the CIC has options. CPT. Picard said it best: "Nicely done Mr. Bug, nicely done indeed..... :salute
SAX:
You are correct, you ran into 325th scouts backed up by the AK's, the rest of the 325th plus 2 addtional squads. I'm probably that single 109 that flew through your formation at 20K. In fact at the point where your squads came through we were almost 50 miles deep with stacked up squads ready to pounce. You guys fought well given the plane set and numbers at that location.
Viper 61
Ops Officer
325th VFG
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The allies made a quick strike on A85, there doupt about that. From viewing the film, there must have been three waves of fighter sweep for the bombers to A85. I notice groups of spits at 5, 12, 17 and 24 k. 353rd ran into the 24 k group but we spotted the bombers below us and radio it in on time. It was a good melee we had that lasted about 10 min or so.
The bug, you have done a hell of a job as a CiC. :salute
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13TH MPG had BostonIII's, set to attack A80 then v91. We let our escorts go free. Headed to target noe. WE saw the furball at 85 as we rallied and turned to hit A80. Struck A80 untouched,and returned to strafe soft targets. We headed back home around a85 with some 109's in trail. The 13th, rearmed at 84, and returned to v91 and destroyed the hangers untouched. After straffing down the hangers we were pounced by 190 a-5's . We had a good night due to our NOE approach. <S> to all, was fun ride, with crappy planes.. :salute
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13TH MPG had BostonIII's, set to attack A80 then v91. We let our escorts go free. Headed to target noe. WE saw the furball at 85 as we rallied and turned to hit A80. Struck A80 untouched,and returned to strafe soft targets. We headed back home around a85 with some 109's in trail. The 13th, rearmed at 84, and returned to v91 and destroyed the hangers untouched. After straffing down the hangers we were pounced by 190 a-5's . We had a good night due to our NOE approach. <S> to all, was fun ride, with crappy planes.. :salute
353rd must be the 109s on your tail as you guys where heading home. Lucky we had little to no ammo. :salute
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353rd must be the 109s on your tail as you guys where heading home. Lucky we had little to no ammo. :salute
Yeah there were only 1-3 109's I think. they broke after 1 was killed. At that time i think we wandered into the A85 dar ring a lil bit.. <S> Oakranger... :salute
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Nice job, The Bug!
The logs don't look good for the Allies..
:salute
Newman
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I'd have traded an uneventful night for what we had. VMF-251's 8 (7 after a disco about 5mins before contact) P-40s got mobbed by 109s of the AKs, and possibly part of the 325th (initial contact was the AKs from the South and behind. We weren't bounced and saw them coming well in advance, but they had ~2000ft on us and our P-40s were already above optimal altitude. Another group was sighted entering from the North, but I can't confirm whether they joined the horde or not from kills and deaths). Managed to get them down low, but even though we dragged them in close where we could negate the 109's climb and speed advantages there was nothing we could do about the numbers. Any time we got on one's six there were three more coming to help him (by actual count).
Pretty much describes what happened to us except after being ordered to chase 109's low we got jumped by high 190's. The disparagee in aircraft was telling, the SeafireII vs the 190 A-5 with smash and numbers was just more than we could Handle. Not whinning here just rehashing what happend :) and a big tip of the hat to the axis defense, well planned and well executed
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This is the down side of one side being primarily (or entirely) defense. Granted, I've also been CiC where the purely offensive side could completely overwhelm the defenders with masses of B-17 and B-24 formations....
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Given the situation when Italy surrenders, i am sure LW had went on defensive mode.
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This is the down side of one side being primarily (or entirely) defense. Granted, I've also been CiC where the purely offensive side could completely overwhelm the defenders with masses of B-17 and B-24 formations....
Well, the absolute numbers might be even, but the Axis fielded 50% more fighters than the Allies. The latter had a large chunk of their force in bombers. Historically I'm sure the Allied fighters would have outnumbered the Axis fighter defense. We could recreate this; it would only require that the victory conditions be changed to place more emphasis on bomber losses, and less on the Axis having to prevent target damage.
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Having a clear majority of my objectives be defensive definitely made it much easier for planning and coordinating.
To the guys not seeing much action I apologize. Seemed to be a night of feast or famine. The east and south east sectors saw more than their share. I didn't want to pull much away from the west because I was still expecting an attack there. When it really didn't materialize in force by T+60 I tried to vector the squads that hadn't seen action to a fight but it became progressively difficult as the fight began to ebb.
Glad to see some had a fun night <S>
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This is the down side of one side being primarily (or entirely) defense.
[Takes off CM hat]
No, in this case, it had more to do with the Allied plan and Allied execution of that plan. Allied plan called for groups of bombers to attack two targets sequentially. This allowed 8 targets worth of German defenders to focus on four attacks. Second, since some of the attacking units chose to attack one target, rearm, then return for the second target meant that the disparity in aircraft was even more pronounced, as defenders from some objectives were vectored in to fights at other targets, and were still able to get back to defend their primary target.
Had the Allied attacks all been near-simultaneously on 8 different objectives, the German defensive aircraft could not have concentrated like they did, without giving the Allies much easier access to some of the targets. There are a couple of other techniques that would work well in this setup as well.
[Puts CM hat back on]
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I'm not saying planning wasn't part of it.
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wtg bugg