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Title: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Larry on March 21, 2009, 03:33:18 AM
The German "fighters" were actually Hispano Aviación HA-1112 M1L ''Buchons," painted to look like Me-109 fighters








Just thought I'd share this tidbit of information with everyone. <T.Z.>
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Cthulhu on March 21, 2009, 03:43:45 AM
The German "fighters" were actually Hispano Aviación HA-1112 M1L ''Buchons," painted to look like Me-109 fighters








Just thought I'd share this tidbit of information with everyone. <T.Z.>
Paella anyone?

I'd like to add that the "Flying Sub" from "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea" was NOT a cleverly painted Blackburn Beverly as no doubt many of you have suspected.


(I'm sure Lyric's Mřřse wil be here shortly. ;) )
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: lyric1 on March 21, 2009, 03:52:53 AM
No its else were ... how ever.
The directors of the firm hired to     
     continue the credits after the other   
     people had been sacked, wish it to     
     be known that they have just been     
     sacked.                               

     The credits have been completed       
     in an entirely different style at great
     expense and at the last minute.       

Executive Producer
JOHN GOLDSTONE & "RALPH" The Wonder Llama


Producer
MARK FORSTATER

Assisted By
EARL J. LLAMA
MILT Q. LLAMA III
SY LLAMA
MERLE Z. LLAMA IX

Directed By

40 SPECIALLY TRAINED
ECUADORIAN MOUNTAIN LLAMAS

6 VENEZUELAN RED LLAMAS

142 MEXICAN WHOOPING LLAMAS

14 NORTH CHILEAN GUANACOS
(CLOSELY RELATED TO THE LLAMA)

REG LLAMA OF BRIXTON

76000 BATTERY LLAMAS
FROM "LLAMA-FRESH" FARMS LTD. NEAR PARAGUAY

and

TERRY GILLIAM & TERRY JONES


Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Cthulhu on March 21, 2009, 03:53:56 AM
 :rofl
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: lyric1 on March 21, 2009, 03:58:12 AM
The German "fighters" were actually Hispano Aviación HA-1112 M1L ''Buchons," painted to look like Me-109 fighters


Just thought I'd share this tidbit of information with everyone. <T.Z.>
Repeat please.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Treize69 on March 21, 2009, 09:17:06 AM
Repeat please.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0

Second favorite part of that whole movie. And oddly enough, I was just thinking of it this morning.  :confused:
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Angus on March 21, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
And why were Buchon's used?
Well, no CGG and those were the only 109's available in enough numbers.
Even today this would be a problem.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Treize69 on March 21, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
And why were Buchon's used?
Well, no CGG and those were the only 109's available in enough numbers.
Even today this would be a problem.

I can deal with CG, its the way they use them that annoys me to no end. If they filmed them like they used to (with a CG "camera plane" and none of those zero-distance fly-bys) they'd be much better IMO. Just because a computer lets you do something doesn't mean you have to do it.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Serenity on March 21, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
I can deal with CG, its the way they use them that annoys me to no end. If they filmed them like they used to (with a CG "camera plane" and none of those zero-distance fly-bys) they'd be much better IMO. Just because a computer lets you do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

But see, the thing about doing it without CG, by using actual planes, that means money goes to a warbird to help keep it flying!
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Angus on March 22, 2009, 05:10:30 AM
Exactly.
Watch Dark Blue World. Actual footage vs CG. However, today the CG just gets better and better. IMHO the bad side is that it gets overused and things start looking unreal
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Greebo on March 22, 2009, 07:26:36 AM
My dad worked on the The Battle of Britain, he was part of the team of R/C modellers who built and flew the 90 odd R/C planes they used in the film. A few things I can recall he said about the film:

The R/C Stukas were powered by 15cc engines and were faster than the 10cc powered Spits and Hurricanes. They had to throttle them way back so the fighters could keep up.

There is a sequence where two Stukas dive bombing the radar station have a mid air collision. This wasn't originally in the script. Dad and another pilot had an accidental mid air while making dive bombing runs on a camera safety cage. They thought they were going to get reamed for wrecking two aircraft and holding up the shoot but the director was delighted and had the script rewritten to incorporate the shot.

All the R/C planes were destroyed in the film. The special effects guys put balloons filled with petrol in the fuselage and ignited them by R/C. This tended to just make the wings blow off in one piece so they started sawing part way through structural parts to make the plane break up more realistically. They also attached dummy pilots to the tail of some planes and released them just before the explosion.

Dad spent ages building three R/C He 111s for the film. The shape of the Heinkel was difficult to get right, lots of double curvatures etc. Also the thing has loads of individual bomb bay doors all of which had to work. What really annoyed him was that the film company got short of money and he never got to fly them. Instead they filled the nose with concrete, suspended them from a helicopter and dropped them into the sea. The sequence where you see all the tail surface control cables snapping on a HE 111 as the crew bail out is to disguise the fact that the dropping cables snapped on one of the aircraft and can be seen trailing as it hits the sea.

Dad's the guy to the left of the Heinkel.

(http://www.mickcharlesmodels.co.uk/history/left1b.jpg)

(http://www.mickcharlesmodels.co.uk/history/right2b.jpg)
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Scherf on March 22, 2009, 07:38:15 AM
"So, let me get this straight, you build R/C aircraft and then blow them up for a living?"

"Yeah."












 :rock
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Greebo on March 22, 2009, 07:41:45 AM
In the film game, it's considered better than blowing up the real ones..... :D
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Scherf on March 22, 2009, 07:44:40 AM
LOL.

Wish they'd had that approach on 633 Squadron.

 :furious


Seriously though, your Dad may have been the coolest person in the Universe. Ever.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: lyric1 on March 22, 2009, 08:06:19 AM
In the film game, it's considered better than blowing up the real ones..... :D
It must be genetic thing then? model planes to skins.
What a wonderful bit of film history there I am going to have to look at the credits now more closely.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Scherf on March 22, 2009, 08:09:42 AM
Especially the bits re: Moose?
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Helm on March 22, 2009, 09:56:29 AM
My dad worked on the The Battle of Britain, he was part of the team of R/C modellers who built and flew the 90 odd R/C planes they used in the film. A few things I can recall he said about the film:

The R/C Stukas were powered by 15cc engines and were faster than the 10cc powered Spits and Hurricanes. They had to throttle them way back so the fighters could keep up.

There is a sequence where two Stukas dive bombing the radar station have a mid air collision. This wasn't originally in the script. Dad and another pilot had an accidental mid air while making dive bombing runs on a camera safety cage. They thought they were going to get reamed for wrecking two aircraft and holding up the shoot but the director was delighted and had the script rewritten to incorporate the shot.

All the R/C planes were destroyed in the film. The special effects guys put balloons filled with petrol in the fuselage and ignited them by R/C. This tended to just make the wings blow off in one piece so they started sawing part way through structural parts to make the plane break up more realistically. They also attached dummy pilots to the tail of some planes and released them just before the explosion.

Dad spent ages building three R/C He 111s for the film. The shape of the Heinkel was difficult to get right, lots of double curvatures etc. Also the thing has loads of individual bomb bay doors all of which had to work. What really annoyed him was that the film company got short of money and he never got to fly them. Instead they filled the nose with concrete, suspended them from a helicopter and dropped them into the sea. The sequence where you see all the tail surface control cables snapping on a HE 111 as the crew bail out is to disguise the fact that the dropping cables snapped on one of the aircraft and can be seen trailing as it hits the sea.

Dad's the guy to the left of the Heinkel.


Greebo thats very cool!  Thanks for sharing. I love model building of any kind. From looking at your fathers work,  he is a true master!!

Thanks again for sharing!!!   :salute

Helm ...out
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: BaldEagl on March 22, 2009, 09:58:52 AM
Did you know there was more than one Lassie?
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 22, 2009, 12:40:14 PM
Did you know there was more than one Lassie?

And "she" was a boy.


wrongway
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Shifty on March 22, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
My dad worked on the The Battle of Britain, he was part of the team of R/C modellers who built and flew the 90 odd R/C planes they used in the film. A few things I can recall he said about the film:

The R/C Stukas were powered by 15cc engines and were faster than the 10cc powered Spits and Hurricanes. They had to throttle them way back so the fighters could keep up.

There is a sequence where two Stukas dive bombing the radar station have a mid air collision. This wasn't originally in the script. Dad and another pilot had an accidental mid air while making dive bombing runs on a camera safety cage. They thought they were going to get reamed for wrecking two aircraft and holding up the shoot but the director was delighted and had the script rewritten to incorporate the shot.

All the R/C planes were destroyed in the film. The special effects guys put balloons filled with petrol in the fuselage and ignited them by R/C. This tended to just make the wings blow off in one piece so they started sawing part way through structural parts to make the plane break up more realistically. They also attached dummy pilots to the tail of some planes and released them just before the explosion.

Dad spent ages building three R/C He 111s for the film. The shape of the Heinkel was difficult to get right, lots of double curvatures etc. Also the thing has loads of individual bomb bay doors all of which had to work. What really annoyed him was that the film company got short of money and he never got to fly them. Instead they filled the nose with concrete, suspended them from a helicopter and dropped them into the sea. The sequence where you see all the tail surface control cables snapping on a HE 111 as the crew bail out is to disguise the fact that the dropping cables snapped on one of the aircraft and can be seen trailing as it hits the sea.

Dad's the guy to the left of the Heinkel.

(http://www.mickcharlesmodels.co.uk/history/left1b.jpg)

(http://www.mickcharlesmodels.co.uk/history/right2b.jpg)

Great stuff Greebo! I'm one of those guys that watches BOB at least three times a year. I've always wondered what the deal was with the cable trailing behind the crashing HE-111.
Now I know. Thanks for sharing this.  :aok
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: pipz on March 22, 2009, 07:01:30 PM
Thanks for sharing that Greebo.I too always wondered about the cables trailing behind the HE-111.The stuka story is great.I always thought that might be British pride "lets show some of the Huns hitting each other Wat!" <BG> Looks like you Dad was one hell of a modeling master.

Pipz
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Angus on March 23, 2009, 05:35:00 AM
Uttely cool Greebo  :aok
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: rogerdee on March 23, 2009, 09:01:54 AM
Now we know where Greebo gets his talent from.
All i inhereted was butt ugly looks
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Bodhi on March 23, 2009, 09:26:41 AM
Behold, the 109's still exist too...   :noid


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3379395870_e6132146c1.jpg?v=0)


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/3378578331_8ddb17ed91.jpg?v=0)


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3426/3378578403_4b05ec7eeb.jpg?v=0)


There are more of them in the same building, but the photos include things that I can not show and I am too lazy to edit out...
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Fencer51 on March 23, 2009, 10:11:22 AM
Didn't Connie Edwards (may have that name wrong but he owned a P-51D that was in Yeagers or Anderson's colors) own alot of these airframes and have them in storage?

Oh yeah, sweet pics too.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Tec on March 23, 2009, 10:27:20 AM
You can show us, we won't tell.....

Can I come work for you Bodhi, for free, or maybe I could pay you by the hour? :D
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Angus on March 23, 2009, 10:33:08 AM
That is a Buchon too.
Just curious,- how does it stack up against a 109G, - performancewise?
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Bodhi on March 23, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
That is a Buchon too.
Just curious,- how does it stack up against a 109G, - performancewise?

 :O

Did the Merlin in the nose, or the four bladed props give it away?   ;)
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: Larry on March 23, 2009, 11:55:39 AM
There are more of them in the same building, but the photos include things that I can not show and I am too lazy to edit out...


I think I know where those stolen rook sheep went.  :noid
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: DrDea on March 23, 2009, 10:13:29 PM
And "she" was a boy.


wrongway

  Actually,HE was a girl.The female collies were better to work with.In the series,Lassie was a "male" but in reality,they used female dogs. :aok
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: DrDea on March 23, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
  Man Bodhi,I wanna be you when I grow up :rofl
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: E25280 on March 23, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
  Actually,HE was a girl.The female collies were better to work with.In the series,Lassie was a "male" but in reality,they used female dogs. :aok
You are all bass ackwards.

http://lassiebarker.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-lassie-boy-or-girl.html
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: DrDea on March 23, 2009, 11:03:29 PM
You are all bass ackwards.

http://lassiebarker.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-lassie-boy-or-girl.html
I bow to your bloggage skills.You are correct.
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: AWwrgwy on March 24, 2009, 12:29:03 AM
I bow to your bloggage skills.You are correct.

Uhhhh...

And "she" was a boy.


wrongway


wrongway
{again}
Title: Re: in the movie battle of britain
Post by: DrDea on March 24, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
 And you were right too.