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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: WarTooth on April 04, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
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Guys,
Yes I can see other posts here for this. Lets keep the possibility of getting this gem of a plane alive. Looks like fun!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki-100
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Yep! :aok
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I would not mind the Ki-100, but its performance is not better than the Ki-61 on which it is based. I'd rather have the Ki-44 or the J2M3a.
It is an exaggeration when some claim that the Ki-100 was competitive with late-war U.S. fighters. It was 135 mph slower than the P-47N at the altitudes where the B-29s were flying during daylight raids.
My regards,
Widewing
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I'd rather have the Ki-44 or the J2M3a.
Seconded.
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I also think the Ki-44 or J2M3 would add a lot more to the Japanese set than the Ki-100 would.
Japanese fighters I'd like to see:
A6M3
J2M3
Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-45
Ki-102
N1K1-J
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I also think the Ki-44 or J2M3 would add a lot more to the Japanese set than the Ki-100 would.
Japanese fighters I'd like to see:
A6M3
J2M3
Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-45
Ki-102
N1K1-J
Ditto.
The KI-100 would be a nice addition as well if some of the other missing Japanese Army and Navy birds
were added first.
Also the G4M, D4Y, and B6N, would be nice additions IMHO.
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I've suggested the Ki-100 before. It's quite capable, but much of the plane's mystique is due to significant misinformation about the July 25, 1945 encounter between the Ki and Navy Hellcats. Initial claims by the Japanese were 12 F6F's downed for only two losses. Subsequent review indicates the losses were one each, and this was because of a collision.
The Ki-100 had great maneuverability, but IIRC it's best asset was the reliability of it's engine, something which means nothing in AH.
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Would like to see the Ki-100 added, but not before upgrading the Ki-84la to the Ki-84 lb version.
I think the Ki-84lb could be a quick and easy addition since 99% of the plane is already in the game.
:pray
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I'm more impressed with the dive speed of the Ki-100, is that information correct?
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I'm more impressed with the dive speed of the Ki-100, is that information correct?
Not likely. Same airframe, weaker engine, less streamlining (radial engine), means the inline engined version could/should accelerate in a dive faster.
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Would like to see the Ki-100 added, but not before upgrading the Ki-84la to the Ki-84 lb version.
I think the Ki-84lb could be a quick and easy addition since 99% of the plane is already in the game.
:pray
Nah, I want the Ki-84-lc. If you're gonna wish, wish big! :)
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The 30mm Ki84 didn't see combat, I believe. Only made in single digits, right? Also read the Japanese 30mms were terribly sub-par. The 20mms were better off than the 30mms.
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The 30mm Ki84 didn't see combat, I believe. Only made in single digits, right?
Correct, so far as I could find. Maybe extremely low double digits, but no combat.
In contrast, there were about 500 Ki-84-Ib fighters built.
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The number "3" comes to mind. I seem to recall that's how many 30mm versions, but can't be sure.
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I also think the Ki-44 or J2M3 would add a lot more to the Japanese set than the Ki-100 would.
Japanese fighters I'd like to see:
A6M3
J2M3
Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-45
Ki-102
N1K1-J
J2M3 for the MA, and the A6M3 for the special events :aok
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J2M3 for the MA, and the A6M3 for the special events :aok
a6m3 is a beautiful bird! :aok
(http://membres.lycos.fr/wings2/3vues/a6m3_32_3v.jpg)
-FYB
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I'd still like to see what the Ki-100 could be capable of. :uhoh
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Same as a Ki61. A few feet more in climb, a few mph less in speed, move the FTH up a few thousand feet.
It's nothing to write home about. It's a 1942 design that got a similarly old engine installed in it, instead of the 1941 engine it was designed to take.
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IMO even if you could add the bigger guns (or extra guns) in the KI-84 you would lose what makes it such great plane, it would lose its maneuverability and become a lot less effective.
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IMO even if you could add the bigger guns (or extra guns) in the KI-84 you would lose what makes it such great plane, it would lose its maneuverability and become a lot less effective.
There's no "if" you could. They did.
Nothing that I have read anywhere indicates that manuverability is affected.
And even if loss of manuverability WAS an issue for you, you can still up the KI-84La instead of the Lb.
I'm talking about adding a variant, not eliminating one.
Viva KI-100 :rock
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Same as a Ki61. A few feet more in climb, a few mph less in speed, move the FTH up a few thousand feet.
It's nothing to write home about. It's a 1942 design that got a similarly old engine installed in it, instead of the 1941 engine it was designed to take.
I've yet to see someone push the envelope in this ride. Closest to me would be 4XTCH and I taught him a lot in the 61, because he wanted to learn it. The rest BnZ in this ride, or come in at 15k+, which is a shame because is speaks volumes. When I flew it I would level at 7.5k regardless. I can turn with 80% of the plane set without resorting to "angles".
I know it sounds like ego, but I would still like to see what I could muster out of the 100.
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Nothing that I have read anywhere indicates that maneuverability is affected.
Viva KI-100 :rock
Any time you add weight to an airframe the flight characteristics or going to change for the worse weather you read it or not that's just fact....109's or a good example add the extra wing mounted 20mm and the added weight changes the way they fly.
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Any time you add weight to an airframe the flight characteristics or going to change for the worse weather you read it or not that's just fact....109's or a good example add the extra wing mounted 20mm and the added weight changes the way they fly.
The Ho-105 20mm cannons don't weigh much more than the Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns they replace going from the Ia to the Ib, so not much weight was gained.
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Any time you add weight to an airframe the flight characteristics or going to change for the worse weather you read it or not that's just fact....109's or a good example add the extra wing mounted 20mm and the added weight changes the way they fly.
I would add to Karnak's post that comparing the 20mm gondies of the 109 isnt really fair.On the 109's the gondies add drag and weight,I beleive the drag is more detremental than the weight.The Ki84's 20mm's are built in and replace the HMG's so I dont think the difference would be noticable.
Of course YMMV.
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Ho-103 weights 23kg
Ho-5 weights 37kg
So the difference from the guns alone would be mere 28kg (62lbs). Too lazy to calculate the ammo but I bet the weight difference wouldnt be over 100lbs anyway.
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300 rounds of 20mm ammo compared to 700 rounds of 12.7mm ammo, they would probably have a similar total weight.
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They might even weigh less.
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300 rounds of 20mm ammo compared to 700 rounds of 12.7mm ammo, they would probably have a similar total weight.
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They might even weigh less.
Yes, I know it could be less (or more) just didn't bother to check it...probabaly very similar anyway.
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Any time you add weight to an airframe the flight characteristics or going to change for the worse weather you read it or not that's just fact....109's or a good example add the extra wing mounted 20mm and the added weight changes the way they fly.
-1 K4 has the biggest gun but handles the best overall :salute
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The K4 handles best because it has a gargantuan engine to whip it around. If you put more guns on it it would perform worse.
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The K4 handles best because it has a gargantuan engine to whip it around. If you put more guns on it it would perform worse.
Isnt it still heavier though? Thats what I have always figured since it had better speed, probably had bigger engine :salute
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It's still heavier, but that is offset in vertical performance by the horsepower of the engine and in the horizontal by being able to whip it around with the torque.
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-1 K4 has the biggest gun but handles the best overall :salute
Yak has the largest gun at 37mm. It handles better than the K4.