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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: VonShiza on April 10, 2009, 06:16:19 AM
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
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If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
:aok
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I flew an LA7 last night and it cheerd my day up. I took it up, and almost everything flew in my sights, and by 10 kills, I thought I would land. It's too bad that I didn't get to, because I got my wing sawed off before I could get back, but I did enjoy that.
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If you want to fly it.....fly it. I fly my favorite and you should too. :aok
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i fly mostly the hurri 2 and hear the same crap.and ill fly the fm2 and still hear it.i say fly the plane the fits your style of flying and have the most fun in .and just not listen to the crap :salute
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fly LAs and dont give a crap what people say. I never whine about the plane when i get shot down thats the worst whine out there.
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Enjoy and have fun, that is all that truly matters... :aok
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
Hmmmm, I never thought about it as flying some plane. I always thought it was the pilot. Go figure.
Ren
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
They call it a "Noob plane" because its so easy to fly and get kills in. It requires less effort and less skill to as you say "master" then many of the other planes.
The spit can make a poor pilot ok, an ok pilot decent, a decent pilot good, and a good pilot great. ( pilot who sucks, will suck no matter the plane til he learns to be a poor pilot)
It is the tricycle with training wheels.
I fly the 190 alot. Hardly an easy plane to fly let alone master I seem to do reasonably well in them (this tour excluded LOL)
If you really want to improve on that ranking. Fy the other planes enough to become at least "ok" in them. Learn what they can and cant do well.
And when you go back to your spit. You will find these planes even easier to kill. (though this statement holds true whichever your ride choice is)
But along the way. You may even find as to why. Folks call the spit a "noob plane"
A pilot of just about anything else will have an easier time adapting to a spit. then a spit driver will have adapting to flying just about anything else.
But as others have mentioned. its your money. your fun.
Fly whatever makes YOU happy.
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
FIrst off, fly what ever you want. As long as your having fun and not "griefing" other players go for it.
The spits have the name of dweeb planes because they are easier to fly, easy to get kills in, easy to recover in a spin, and easy to escape with if need be, so a lot of "dweebs" fly them. It is the number 1 recommended plane for the new guys to try. But it's just a "name". The LA and the Nik also fall into that category. Other names are the RunStang (P51), the Run90 (FW190), the little bomber (P38), most of the 190 series is considered the HO machines, and I'm sure there are many others.
Don't let it bother you, It's never going to change. The spit has been always know as the "dweebfire"... well for as long as I've been playing (15+ years in three different games).
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most of the 190 series is considered the HO machines, and I'm sure there are many others.
Don't let it bother you, It's never going to change. The spit has been always know as the "dweebfire"... well for as long as I've been playing (15+ years in three different games).
I only HO in retaliation to a HO or when vastly outnumbered. and then sometimes not even then.
I run (extend) when I cannot maneuver anymore as its foolish for a 190 to continue to turn fight planes like the spit or the 109NIK or KI. Or to set up position.
and I am just as likely to take a fight up. As I am away. It all depends on the circumstance.
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
i fly the p38 almost exclusivley. i suck in it too. but i have fun. i constantly hear crap though, mostly from guys in little wiggly planes. they complain because i won't get low and slow with them in a knife fight. i fly them the way they work for me. that means keeping somewhat fast, and vertical.
sometimes i'll take out a 38G, and get into the middle of a furball, or simply a good fun 1-1...which often ends up being a many vs 1(me being the one), and THAT turns into fun.
you're right.....they're not noob planes, although in most situations, they are considerably easier to fight in, than something like a p38, p51, fw190, etc.(i flew the spit5, and 9 while i was learning, along with the hurri and zeek, then moved on to the rides i love). you'll get people complaining......ignore em. those particular people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. if you got out of your spit, and into a pony, and beat em, they'll still whine. it seems to be a growing trend in the arenas.
have fun dude!
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Fly what you want when you want .All this dweeb plane this dweeb plane that is pants !The spitfire was a nice plane to fly by all acount's for a reason , back then you got about 9-10 hours on it before you were let loose in combat so dont slagg the spitfire in game for being realistic(ish )
The things that should be the topic are divebombing heavy bombers , and my all time favourite , the buff that drops then bails , these 2 tactics are dweebery in it's purest form
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Fly what you want when you want .All this dweeb plane this dweeb plane that is pants !The spitfire was a nice plane to fly by all acount's for a reason , back then you got about 9-10 hours on it before you were let loose in combat so dont slagg the spitfire in game for being realistic(ish )
The things that should be the topic are divebombing heavy bombers , and my all time favourite , the buff that drops then bails , these 2 tactics are dweebery in it's purest form
heh...i just got 3 free kills the other night...from divebombing lancs. took the wing off of one, while hhe was lining up....he turned so hard to realign, he lost a drone, and i was shooting him as he dovce right into the ground for the third. :aok
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As long as you get your kills, that counts :D
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heh...i just got 3 free kills the other night...from divebombing lancs. took the wing off of one, while hhe was lining up....he turned so hard to realign, he lost a drone, and i was shooting him as he dovce right into the ground for the third. :aok
My favorite bomber hat trick is knocking a wing or tail off of the lead Lanc-Stuka when they are fairly close to the ground. Then watch the two drones auger into the ground as they follow the wreckage down. Often, if they are low enough, the Lanc-Stuka pilot can't switch planes fast enough to save the drones.
Priceless!
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You can call any plane whatever you want.
I happen to suggest in as a plane for folks getting started in the TA. It gives them the opportunity to start turning yet gives a margin for error that's forgiving. Hmmm noob plane....
I been doing this for more than a year or two and I get up in one prabably once a month.
They are just plain fun to fly for a sortie or two!!!
Ren
Aces High Training Corps
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As long as you get your kills, that counts :D
ya, but a fight is MUCH more fun. i was helping defend that base.....he could've at least manned his guns, is i didn't really do anything fancy. i came in from his 6 hi, looped over, and repeated..........
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But it's just a "name". The LA and the Nik also fall into that category. Other names are the RunStang (P51), the Run90 (FW190), the little bomber (P38), most of the 190 series is considered the HO machines, and I'm sure there are many others.
Just out of curiosity, what fighters aren't considered n00b/dweeb planes by the self-appointed arbitri elegantiae of the AH2 forums, and why? :huh
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They call it a "Noob plane" because its so easy to fly and get kills in. It requires less effort and less skill to as you say "master" then many of the other planes.
The spit can make a poor pilot ok, an ok pilot decent, a decent pilot good, and a good pilot great. ( pilot who sucks, will suck no matter the plane til he learns to be a poor pilot)
It is the tricycle with training wheels.
I fly the 190 alot. Hardly an easy plane to fly let alone master I seem to do reasonably well in them (this tour excluded LOL)
If you really want to improve on that ranking. Fy the other planes enough to become at least "ok" in them. Learn what they can and cant do well.
And when you go back to your spit. You will find these planes even easier to kill. (though this statement holds true whichever your ride choice is)
But along the way. You may even find as to why. Folks call the spit a "noob plane"
A pilot of just about anything else will have an easier time adapting to a spit. then a spit driver will have adapting to flying just about anything else.
But as others have mentioned. its your money. your fun.
Fly whatever makes YOU happy.
The La7 is called a "noob plane" and 95% of the Arena hasn't a clue of it's potential. THOSE are the people I laugh at.
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Just out of curiosity, what fighters aren't considered n00b/dweeb planes by the self-appointed arbitri elegantiae of the AH2 forums, and why? :huh
:rofl Says you. The truth is the truth regardless of who speaks it.
The spit 16 is a noob plane. It's also a crutch if you're past the beginner stage, unless you've got a genuine passion for the thing. Whether you love it or hate it, or fly it or don't. Those are totally separate things. The OP amalgamates all of it to try and make "it's not a noob plane" true by association. Bogus.
Planes not noob planes are those that... get ready for this.. Aren't conducive to noobs. Planes that are any combination of: unforgiving, difficult to fly on the edge, expensive, difficult to shoot with, or somehow unconventional and consequently requiring the noob to have to learn something esoteric ON TOP of basic textbook flying/SA/gunnery/etc, etc. E.G. The 190A8, Me262, Me163, 109K4, 109E, Spit1, Hurri1, Spit5, Spit14, Mossie, Hurricane2D, Ta152, A20, Ki61, Yak9T, P38, P40, and so on.
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I absolutely enjoy flying the Spitfire and I think I do pretty well with it. I fly the Spit not only for it's in game flying, but for it's valued history and good looks. Although some may say it is a "noob" plane, I disagree and think there is no such thing as a "noob" plane. I think of myself as a pretty formidable foe in the Spit and my overall score, (I think) is not too bad, averaging out at around 890 or so. (And that's with a horrible score in vehicles, cuz I hate driving)
I know of many people that can take a P-51 or P-38 and get an unheard of amount of kills in them and those are pretty easy to fly. What they are hard at, is to master.
Seriously, this "noob" plane crap should be thrown out. If you get shot down by a noob in a steady rock-solid flying machine then that is your fault for allowing him to HO you or get on your six. Shame on you but don't blame it on the plane. Fly to have fun and fly what works best for you.
Sorry, wrong. The spixteen is a noob plane. But.... so what? If you fly it and have fun, keep doing it. Do you play this game in a way to get the approval of others or are you in it to have fun?
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Most of the spit16 pilots can't fly them the right way anyway. A few months of learning this and how to avoid them and they are no longer a threat.
Now shooting them down is the annoying part. As they are bugged if flown using the bug. I'm not going to mention how.
The spit 8 / 9 pilots are the ones I worry about. They usually know what they are doing and how to use their plane.
Either way, if it keeps you flying and paying your $15/month, more power to you if you want to fly a 'n00b' plane.
JUST FYI btw, the top player in our country flies a perked plane. Sooo, usually a perked plane is more n00bish sorta.
Just ignore folks like me and have your fun man!
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Do you play this game in a way to get the approval of others <snip> ...?
Ding, ding, ding.
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Just out of curiosity, what fighters aren't considered n00b/dweeb planes by the self-appointed arbitri elegantiae of the AH2 forums, and why? :huh
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Just out of curiosity, what fighters aren't considered n00b/dweeb planes by the self-appointed arbitri elegantiae of the AH2 forums, and why? :huh
P-38 is definitely an EZ-Mode plane, though only gets the Dweeb moniker when Mensa flies it.
ack-ack
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P-38 is definitely an EZ-Mode plane, though only gets the Dweeb moniker when Mensa flies it.
ack-ack
I think the P38 is somewhere in the middle of the pack as far as overall difficulty goes, but I could have sworn I heard you arguing that the P38 was one the the toughest planes to fly in your last week before terminating your account.
To jog your memory, you were talking about quitting and someone suggested flying different planes to spark your interest and you said that the P38 was already one of the most difficult planes in the game so what's the point essentially.
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The dweebiest thing in the game is judging people for how 'skilled' they are before their character. Personality is the only real aspect of this community. Everything else is just a game.
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Personality manifests itself quite efficiently in play-style.
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I think the P38 is somewhere in the middle of the pack as far as overall difficulty goes, but I could have sworn I heard you arguing that the P38 was one the the toughest planes to fly in your last week before terminating your account.
To jog your memory, you were talking about quitting and someone suggested flying different planes to spark your interest and you said that the P38 was already one of the most difficult planes in the game so what's the point essentially.
someone mentioned that I should fly another plane to 'challenge' me but I responded with why should I switch when the P-38 already fits that bill and is the only plane that I am interested in flying. Just because the Lightning to me is a challenge to fly, doesn't mean it's not easy to fly. To me the challenge is putting the plane in situations that in real life wouldn't have been done like turn fighting on the deck with Zeros and not the difficulty of flying the thing.
With no torque, fantastic vertical performance, the best stall characteristics of any plane in the game, excellent low speed maneuverability, good acceleration, great dive performance, excellent gun package and it's just sexy as hell. All of those things make it an easy plane to fly.
ack-ack
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Yup, P-38L is easymode, not as easy as a Spit XVI, but still easy.
There are no dweeb planes though, just dweeb players.
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Yup, P-38L is easymode, not as easy as a Spit XVI, but still easy.
There are no dweeb planes though, just dweeb players.
So is the J and the G somewhat. The only thing that keeps the G from being an easy mode plane as the J and the L is the armor glass that obstructs the forward vision over the nose. Other than that, I would venture to say the G is easy to fly than the J and the L.
ack-ack
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G lacks the power and acceleration to be truly easymode I think. The J is to the L what the Spit VIII is to the Spit XVI, more or less.
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I think a panzer is a dweeb plane or maybe a wobblewhirl whatever that is.
Ren
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P-38 is definitely an EZ-Mode plane, though only gets the Dweeb moniker when Mensa flies it.
ack-ack
i don't find any of the p38's to be even remotely easymode......but then, i don';t have thousands of hours in them either.
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Personality manifests itself quite efficiently in play-style.
:aok
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Personality manifests itself quite efficiently in play-style.
I disagree. Personality may be briefly detectable in one's actions in the arena but play style does not ultimately determine personality. To suggest that a person's sense of gaming ethics, which is all playing style could reflect, truly depicts an entire personality is narrow minded and in my view false.
Personality comes out in the interactions between players after and during a fight (or even on these forums), It is a totaly seperate ball park to gaming style.
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Taunting is an AH and BBS pastime. Pity.
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The La7 is called a "noob plane" and 95% of the Arena hasn't a clue of it's potential. THOSE are the people I laugh at.
LOL LA isnt a noob plane. An HO Dweeb plane for most that fly it as 95% of the time thats all they do in them.
Your right. most dont know the LA's potential.
Took one up for a few flights a tour or two ago to refamiliourise myself with it.
While it will never have the long legs of the P51
Amazing the long legs it does have if you manage the throttle & RPM settings. You can go a farly long distance and get pretty high,Fight, and still have enough fuel to get you home if you do it right. And its an evil witch in the right hands
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LOL LA isnt a noob plane. An HO Dweeb plane for most that fly it as 95% of the time thats all they do in them.
Your right. most dont know the LA's potential.
Took one up for a few flights a tour or two ago to refamiliourise myself with it.
While it will never have the long legs of the P51
Amazing the long legs it does have if you manage the throttle & RPM settings. You can go a farly long distance and get pretty high,Fight, and still have enough fuel to get you home if you do it right. And its an evil witch in the right hands
You have a short memory, Dred. Before the spixteen, the la7 was the noob plane of choice.. it's a noob plane.
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all planes are easy to fly here. Being good in one, is another story. Some planes are more forgiving than others, they let you recover from mistakes that if made against a similar pilot of equal skill could easily end up costing you. Personally, I find turn fighting in spits much easier than turn fighting a 38 against a well flown spit. That said you can fly any plane as a dweeb or as a noob. Heck, you can take a p40 to 20k and pick if you want, might find some easy kills....making the plane easy to kill in. Really though, who cares. fly what you like and have fun...otherwise what's the point? It's much easier if you just fly a plane that you enjoy and let everyone else worry about it.
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The way I see it...
Anyone who complains that an LA7 or Spit16 is a "Noob" plane has completely ignored the simple fact that they too could up in an LA7 or Spit16 and use their own super duper superior cartoon pilot mad skilzzzz to shoot the "noob" down....
Sure a plane like a Spit 16 may allow for sloppier flying against a lesser aircraft. But a noob pilot in a Spit 16 will still get outclassed by a better pilot in the same ride.
So, essentially, someone who chooses not to fly whatever "noob" ride, is simply providing himself a greater challenge. Which is his own personal choice. Blaming the "noob" pilot for your own choice is really... Well... Let's call it "dweebish", just for fun.
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I fly the Ki-84 mostly. So many times people have called me out on being in my trainer ride and uber turner... this guy in a spit16 running away from me once, I called him out on 200 saying id give him my six... he replies "U think im gonna turn with a zeke dweeb???"
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"Blaming the "noob" pilot for your own choice is really"
I dont think a single poster has said so. And no one seems to be complaining that the XVI's a noob plane. Just arguing that it is, in fact. The real fuel for argument is people who try and say it's not.
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I fly the Ki-84 mostly. So many times people have called me out on being in my trainer ride and uber turner... this guy in a spit16 running away from me once, I called him out on 200 saying id give him my six... he replies "U think im gonna turn with a zeke dweeb???"
:rolleyes:
It is amazing how that "Every Japanese fighter is a Zero and all Japanese fighters are unarmored" line of thought has stuck around.
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"Blaming the "noob" pilot for your own choice is really"
I dont think a single poster has said so. And no one seems to be complaining that the XVI's a noob plane. Just arguing that it is, in fact. The real fuel for argument is people who try and say it's not.
People can argue if the Spitfire Mk XVI is a noob plane or not until the cows come home and no one will ever agree whether it is or not. My only point is looking down on experienced players that choose to fly the Mk XVI is rather silly and in my opinion usually done by those that just got their arse handed back to them by said experienced pilot in the Mk XVI.
ack-ack
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It's not just the skillful players in the spit16, it's the fight that results from it if the other player is in most anything else, the purposeful choice to load the odds. Zero suspense. Look at it this way: the 262 zaps around uncontested.. but how well does it knife fight? The spit16 has a lot more than the 262, in its flipped-around ability distribution. It can compete in bnz; tho not really at very high speeds, but that's rarely a real liability.
I don't complain or resent losing to a well flown XVI. I do find it pointless most of the time, if it's a player that's been around for a while. The same way I think it's definitely pointless for the poor guy I could bnz in a 152 and leave nearly zero options but to get picked into the ground. Very poor sportsmanship there, esp. if it's a 1:1 with no one else around. There's fun gameplay and then there's 0%-fat competition.
Anyway.. the spit16 is a noob plane. The best noob plane if there's such a thing.
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Hitech made the game and the eny system reflects his opinions of what is easiest to compete in. For the most part anything under ENY 10 has some major advantage. The Chick16 is an easy plane but there are some others that are just as easy, imo.
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None sum up to as much.
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I fly the Ki-84 mostly. So many times people have called me out on being in my trainer ride and uber turner... this guy in a spit16 running away from me once, I called him out on 200 saying id give him my six... he replies "U think im gonna turn with a zeke dweeb???"
The Ki-84 is now my main ride. It took me awhile to find that "feel" for the right plane. Don't care if it is a dweeb plane or not. I do not concern myself if I am up against a dweeb plane. I just don't see it that way. Any plane in the game can shoot me down just as good as the next. It's who's on the stick that matters. I can tell when I am up against a "real" dweeb pilot vs. a seasoned stick. In my opinion, the plane isn't the issue of "dweeb-ism", but who's in it. There are many sticks here that fly their plane of choice and rack up an impressive count of kills. For me, I see it as a skill that some people exhibit either good or bad. I cannot count how many times I have made the mistake of underestimating a "dweeb" plane and ending up in the tower very quickly or over-estimating a so-called non-dweeb plane and flying circles around it. It all depends on the who's on the stick. IMHO.
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No such thing as a noob plane. The right tool for the right job is the best way to look at it.
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You got alittle noob on yah face. To left. No other left. Ahh you got it. :P
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No such thing as a noob plane. The right tool for the right job is the best way to look at it.
If a newbie asks you what the best plane to begin with is, you tell him there's no such thing? You don't think the spit16 is a prime candidate?
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If a newbie asks you what the best plane to begin with is, you tell him there's no such thing? You don't think the spit16 is a prime candidate?
Well if we use the term newbie I would agree 100% with you. How ever the term noob ride has an entirely differant connotation to it within AHII.
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I've got about 3-4 months of actual playtime under my belt now, and I'm still a dweebfire fan. It's just a fun little plane to fly. I didn't start out that way, before the last update I flew the Hellcat almost exclusively and after that I flew the LA5/7 for the biggest part of a tour. I try to fly Pony's and 190's on occasion, but it's just not my "style." I don't have the patience to extend and set it up, and nothing tests that patience worse than having a squirrelly little spit/n1k/109 make a hard break after you setup what you thought would be the perfect pass.
This tour I've "graduated" from the spit16 to the spit8, and I'll continue to fly that until I feel confident that my ACM/SA in it is up to par (I fly different planes for missions, but I'm always less comfortable)... Then I'll start to expand into some other rides... but at this point in my training/learning it just doesn't make sense to complicate matters with a plane that will leave me in wreckage any more than I already am. That will only serve to frustrate me and make the game less enjoyable.
Either way, the Spit will always have a special place in the hangar for me. It's just a fantastic plane.
Tim
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Just because the Lightning to me is a challenge to fly, doesn't mean it's not easy to fly.
Heh. The ackster makes a joke. In my book the two hardest planes to learn to fly well are the 38 and the F4U (the FWs are hopeless). Ack-ack is being overly modest.
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If a newbie asks you what the best plane to begin with is, you tell him there's no such thing? You don't think the spit16 is a prime candidate?
Perhaps SpitXVI is not "the" candidate for a noob plane.
It seems to me the SpitXVI has little performance advantage and handles somewhat worse than say a SpitIX or HurricaneIIC etc. while going around in endless slow circles trying to hammer something in front of them in a furball, which is the typical newbie style. The SpitXVI's advantage is sparkling energy performance combined with a relatively light wing loading, plus an excellent roll rate. These seem like traits which take a little more experience to get the best out of.
OTOH, the SpitXVI is double-superior or nearly so relative so many types that easy kill opportunities for the newbie will show up with regularity, if he holds up his end of the deal adequately. By contrast, most planes that turn as well or better than the SpitXVI will be a lot easier to run away from, and most things as fast or faster won't turn nearly so well. So it is kind of a toss-up, between a Thoroughbred and a gentle old plug that won't throw you quite as often.
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Heh. The ackster makes a joke. In my book the two hardest planes to learn to fly well are the 38 and the F4U (the FWs are hopeless). Ack-ack is being overly modest.
- oldman
i don;t think he;'s being modest....i'd think it may be due to the fact that he has so many hours in it, that he;s forgotten how hard it is. he's flown it so long, that things you or i may have to think about, he just does....
this isn;t meant as a put down.......i think it's just something that happens to us all over time.
it's happened to me with cars. i drive so many different cars, and trucks that i sometimes can;t fathom someone having trouble with an E350 cargo van. but that comes from the fact that i've driven everythign fron a 26k pound tow truck to a geo prism. i'm so used to these things, that i instinctivly move to check blind spots, etc. if the steering's a bit sloppy, i compensate, without even realizing i've done it. i think you get the point.
to akak, it's very easy. to the rest of us, it's not. someday, some of us may well be saying the same things he;s saying right now.
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One thing that makes the P38 difficult to fly is how freakin big it is. Timing is everything in reverses and you have to be that much more precise with the 38 so you don't get shot.
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Just got my butt waxed in a KI-84... Usually I'm good at those but tnite I suck! Tried a 109G-6 and K-4 and got waxed too. Bad nite I guess. Did catch a Spit16 sleeping (AFK) at the wheel and took him down, so I guess that made up for it.
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G lacks the power and acceleration to be truly easymode I think. The J is to the L what the Spit VIII is to the Spit XVI, more or less.
I fly the 38G exclusively. If that's not proof it's EZ mode and a noob plane, I don't know what is!
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It's not just EZmode but double-so because double-engined and definitely double-dweeb.
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2 engines = cheating. :aok
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These 2 engined cheaters give me tough times occasionally.
Its alot of fun to fight against a good p38 stick, except Delirium...they really should nerf him, totally unrealistic modeling of a pilot there :devil
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JunkyLL remember the few that have came before you and remember those who will follow .. my unckle was Col. in the national guard; He 2 yrs ago ago passed of parkins. My nephew just won delaware state champ for wrestling . ooo pllz grow up ! No one cares about this ! good luck in your endeavours.
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Heh. The ackster makes a joke. In my book the two hardest planes to learn to fly well are the 38 and the F4U (the FWs are hopeless). Ack-ack is being overly modest.
- oldman
Not making a joke. For me, the P-38 was a very easy plane to fly for the reasons I listed earlier. The challenge for me in the P-38 came from the fights, not from flying the plane. YMMV.
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spitfires are fine, its the spit16 that is the noob plane :rolleyes:
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These 2 engined cheaters give me tough times occasionally.
Its alot of fun to fight against a good p38 stick, except Delirium...they really should nerf him, totally unrealistic modeling of a pilot there :devil
if you're in mw, and see a 38J with the default skin, flopping around like a fihs outta water.......it's me. there won't be much of a fight there....... :rofl
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i fly mostly the hurri 2 and hear the same crap.and ill fly the fm2 and still hear it.i say fly the plane the fits your style of flying and have the most fun in .and just not listen to the crap :salute
...and you hear that "crap" because you ARE a noob!!! :devil