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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FYB on April 13, 2009, 01:15:07 PM
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I've looking to buy an Airsoft, and the needed items for the airsoft field I have chosen to go to.
The website of the field is located in CA, in the bay area.
www.sequoiaairsoft.com
All needed information as to what type of field.
I have gotten some small but highly needed advice and help.
The website he gave me was, by my newbie rating, great and packed.
www.kapowwe.com
I chose the
G608-G36c Jin Gong JG G608 G36c High-Grade AEG Combo (metal gearbox 365 fps w/ .20g)
$129.99 $129.99
jg-g36-mag Jin Gong ( JG ) G36 G608 470rds High-Cap Magazine
$16.95 $16.95
sig-228-airsoft *** SPECIAL *** ONLY $5 w/ any order - Licensed SIG 226/228 Spring Action Pistol
$5.00 $5.00
sig-228-spring-mag Softair Sig 228 Spring Magazine
$5.00 $5.00
SDMASK3 TSD Sports Full Face Airsoft Mask
$24.95 $24.95
1-1-593 AIRSOFT MAGAZINE SPEED LOADER BB Speedloader
$6.95 $6.95
tac-vest-ran Black Tactical Vest w/ Pistol Holster
$39.99 $39.99
The total was $228, i estimated $230 + $20 shipping and came to a conclusion that it was going to be $250+.
Anyone have any suggestions as to what site might have better quality, lower or same price, gear and guns?
Thank you,
-FYB
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As you're about to find out, airsoft isn't that soft... :P
Sorry, can't help you with your question. Just wanted to tell you, have fun!
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Oh don't worry about the softness, I've felt a 455fps sniper from about 40ft. and it wasn't really a non-skin penetration pellet. :lol
Left me with a horrible inch long bruise that swelled and hurt like a, well, you know. ;)
-FYB
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Unless you're getting a full metal gun, or the gun you have has a great history of reliability, I'd be careful. A lot of people buy the cheapest thing, and it breaks a month after they get it. (that's happened to me plenty of times :lol )
ATM, I got a pretty good M-14 Airsoft gun, fully automatic, with a scope mount (but I never use it since anyways) and a camo-stock.
Make sure you find a good website with lots of reviews, and see what other people think. (also, try and get one with the most reviews, don't go for 1 or 2 reviews that say "it's awesome!" go for something that's like 50+ reviews, almost all saying it's a decent gun)
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You're in the center of American airsoft, man!
Kapowwe is decent, but airsoftgi.com is probably your best bet. Great service, prices, and selection. And any order over $100 gets free shipping :) Might not matter, though, as it's in the SoCal area IIRC. I think AEX (Airsoft Extreme) has a store around there as well.
JG's in general are decent, their G36 supposed to be especially good. If you're into AK's, DBoys (Kalash) and CYMA make some exceptional pieces as well (the DBoys are mostly steel, part zinc alloys, and I believe the CYMA's are all steel). Both the DBoys and recent CYMA's are clones of the VFC AK series, which are extremely accurate in dimensions and construction, to the point where you can use pretty much all real steel non-receiver parts with little or no modification.
Keep in mind that most rifles under ~$250 are generally clones. They're copies (sometimes not exact, which can really screw you up) of guns designed and produced in Japan or Taiwan (usually by Tokyo Marui), and then manufactured with cheaper materials and lower QC in China. There are obvious problems that arise here... sometimes you can get lucky and end up with a really nice, solid shooter, but other times you can get the same model from the same factory and have constant problems with it.
Tokyo Marui, LCT, VFC Tanaka, Maruzen, ICS, Western Arms, and others are all higher quality pieces from Japan and Taiwan. JG, Dboys, AGM, and CYMA are all clones with acceptable quality, but again there's a considerable lemon rate. There's also a large amount of companies (such as Well) that you don't want to touch with a 10-foot pole.
As far as gear goes I'd find a Surplus store in your area. Cheap military grade equipment- you won't get the newest MOLLE PC and Multicam or whatever, but an ALICE harness and US woodland is more than good enough.
Contrary to 1Plus's advice, I wouldn't even look at customer reviews on retail sites, they're generally worthless. You can check out the reviews on websites such as arniesairsoft.co.uk though.
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You're in the center of American airsoft, man!
Kapowwe is decent, but airsoftgi.com is probably your best bet. Great service, prices, and selection. And any order over $100 gets free shipping :) Might not matter, though, as it's in the SoCal area IIRC. I think AEX (Airsoft Extreme) has a store around there as well.
JG's in general are decent, their G36 supposed to be especially good. If you're into AK's, DBoys (Kalash) and CYMA make some exceptional pieces as well (the DBoys are mostly steel, part zinc alloys, and I believe the CYMA's are all steel). Both the DBoys and recent CYMA's are clones of the VFC AK series, which are extremely accurate in dimensions and construction, to the point where you can use pretty much all real steel non-receiver parts with little or no modification.
Keep in mind that most rifles under ~$250 are generally clones. They're copies (sometimes not exact, which can really screw you up) of guns designed and produced in Japan or Taiwan (usually by Tokyo Marui), and then manufactured with cheaper materials and lower QC in China. There are obvious problems that arise here... sometimes you can get lucky and end up with a really nice, solid shooter, but other times you can get the same model from the same factory and have constant problems with it.
Tokyo Marui, LCT, VFC Tanaka, Maruzen, ICS, Western Arms, and others are all higher quality pieces from Japan and Taiwan. JG, Dboys, AGM, and CYMA are all clones with acceptable quality, but again there's a considerable lemon rate. There's also a large amount of companies (such as Well) that you don't want to touch with a 10-foot pole.
As far as gear goes I'd find a Surplus store in your area. Cheap military grade equipment- you won't get the newest MOLLE PC and Multicam or whatever, but an ALICE harness and US woodland is more than good enough.
Contrary to 1Plus's advice, I wouldn't even look at customer reviews on retail sites, they're generally worthless. You can check out the reviews on websites such as arniesairsoft.co.uk though.
That www.airsoftgi.com thing is amazing! $135 for a high performance MK36 with 360fps with .2g's and an accurate range of 120ft. out to 150ft. Thanks!!!
-FYB
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The UTG Mk 96? Their alright (a friend of mine's cousin has one). I wouldn't suggest you buy anything bolt-action until you play for a while. You want to find something that suits your playing style, not the other way around.
I'm an AK guy myself ;)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/100_4284.jpg)
Oh, there is a MK 36... the only ones I see though are Ares's (formerly known as Star). They're cheaper than they used to be but they're still not $130...
Yuck and they burn out the H&K trades as well.
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I too play airsoft (2 years). Here is a email of a friend that has a course in my town. he can tell you what site to go to.
xtreme.airsoft07@yahoo.com
http://www.xtreme-airsoft.com/ (http://www.xtreme-airsoft.com/)
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I too play airsoft (2 years). Here is a email of a friend that has a course in my town. he can tell you what site to go to.
xtreme.airsoft07@yahoo.com
http://www.xtreme-airsoft.com/ (http://www.xtreme-airsoft.com/)
This depends, I'm looking to maintain a small amount of spending in airsoft. $300.00 at most. Are you positive your friend can tell me what site might be best? Tell him my email is monstermonstruo@yaho.com, I'll send an email soon to ask a couple of needed questions.
Thanks,
-FYB
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I'm highly worried; i see this JG MK36, 360fps, 120ft. acc, 470 high-cap mag, Gearbox TYPE 3 (what the noodles is that suppose to mean?), and a SMALL BATTERY. Unfortunately, there is a strict 400fps and lower at my field; I know, what do i mean, i stated it is 360fps, well, it says 360fps on the page but the reviews say 400 - 410fps. I'm afraid it will go above 400 when they chronograph it. Any suggestions?
-FYB
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I'm highly worried; i see this JG MK36, 360fps, 120ft. acc, 470 high-cap mag, Gearbox TYPE 3 (what the noodles is that suppose to mean?), and a SMALL BATTERY. Unfortunately, there is a strict 400fps and lower at my field; I know, what do i mean, i stated it is 360fps, well, it says 360fps on the page but the reviews say 400 - 410fps. I'm afraid it will go above 400 when they chronograph it. Any suggestions?
-FYB
what they dont know wont hurt ;)
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what they chronograph at the field will screw you up. :aok
That's the problem, i wouldn't of asked if they didn't chronograph it at the field everytime you come.
-FYB
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I'm highly worried; i see this JG MK36, 360fps, 120ft. acc, 470 high-cap mag, Gearbox TYPE 3 (what the noodles is that suppose to mean?), and a SMALL BATTERY. Unfortunately, there is a strict 400fps and lower at my field; I know, what do i mean, i stated it is 360fps, well, it says 360fps on the page but the reviews say 400 - 410fps. I'm afraid it will go above 400 when they chronograph it. Any suggestions?
-FYB
V.3 gearbox is just the gearbox type. Since Tokyo Marui designed the first 'modern' AEG in 1991, the mechanical gearbox that builds up the air for the BB has been modular. That is to say, you can take a gearbox from say a G36, and put it in an AK (which also uses a V.3 gearbox) with minimal modification to the box. The V.3 is probably the strongest of the... 8 or so.
With the FPS you can either install a weaker spring or leave it overnight or two with the piston drawn (leave off the trigger in mid cycle). The former would be preferable.
BTW you can get some pretty decent capacity small type batteries. In fact, I would suggest that you pick up an intellect brothers battery with your order, as Chinese batteries are usually crap.
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Motherland, you seem to now quite a bit. Could i message you with some questions? Just small, new people, stupid, easy questions.
-FYB
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NP. I won't be able to answer 'til tomorrow, though.
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Fair enough. ;)
What time tomorrow?
-FYB
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So....some guys play airsoft and some guys play paintball with the bigger, slower rounds?
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I have been interested in airsoft off and on for a couple of years. However, I do not know how to find a field in my area, and dont want to go spending money until I KNW there is a group that plays. Is there any kind of web-site that lists fields by region? I live in the cincinati OH area...
Sol
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Ive had airsoft and paintball, the airsoft was a joke to me but paintball is a blast. I would suggest getting yourself a tipman for the woods, and any high end used gun for speedball like a dye-dm6.
I just couldnt get over how lame i felt with my little plastic bb's. Paintball is a real rush at night.
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hah.. try paintball with 0 armour other than that helmet. now thats pain to moan about, well only for the first round.. after that the adrenaline is so heavy you get immune to pain.
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I've looking to buy an Airsoft, and the needed items for the airsoft field I have chosen to go to.
The website of the field is located in CA, in the bay area.
www.sequoiaairsoft.com
All needed information as to what type of field.
I have gotten some small but highly needed advice and help.
The website he gave me was, by my newbie rating, great and packed.
www.kapowwe.com
I chose the
G608-G36c Jin Gong JG G608 G36c High-Grade AEG Combo (metal gearbox 365 fps w/ .20g)
$129.99 $129.99
jg-g36-mag Jin Gong ( JG ) G36 G608 470rds High-Cap Magazine
$16.95 $16.95
sig-228-airsoft *** SPECIAL *** ONLY $5 w/ any order - Licensed SIG 226/228 Spring Action Pistol
$5.00 $5.00
sig-228-spring-mag Softair Sig 228 Spring Magazine
$5.00 $5.00
SDMASK3 TSD Sports Full Face Airsoft Mask
$24.95 $24.95
1-1-593 AIRSOFT MAGAZINE SPEED LOADER BB Speedloader
$6.95 $6.95
tac-vest-ran Black Tactical Vest w/ Pistol Holster
$39.99 $39.99
The total was $228, i estimated $230 + $20 shipping and came to a conclusion that it was going to be $250+.
Anyone have any suggestions as to what site might have better quality, lower or same price, gear and guns?
Thank you,
-FYB
Um, last time I was looking at a new airsoft gun, here was my route: (Keep in mind, FPS IS important. Anything below 400 is not worth touching IMHO)
My gun was a G3 (I love that gun!) by JG for $119.95. Comes stock with:
- JG T3K3 G3 100 Airsoft Electric Gun AEG
- 400 fps (0.20g BB)
- OD Color Foregrip Cover, Pistol Grip & Stock
- Hi-Cap Mag: 500 Rounds
- Adjustable Hop Up
- Functional Charging Handle & Ejection Port Cover
- 8.4v 1500mAH Large Battery & Charger Included
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-JG-T3K3-100.htm
Systema barrel for the G3 to increase FPS a little more (This claims to fit the G3, but I am very doubtful looking at the length.) $34.95
http://www.airsplat.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=AC-UPI-Z0933-MP&eq=&Tp=
Electric Starter Kit: $26.50
Description :
Airsoft Electric Rifle Package - Large Battery
- Perfect for your first ICS, Classic Army, or Airsoft Elite Rifle
- Buy a 8.4 V 1800 mAH Small Battery, pay $2 more and get a FREE Large Standard Wall Charger and Bag of AirSplat 0.2g 5,000 BB's.
http://www.airsplat.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=AC-ER-PKG-LG&eq=
~$270. I never went and bought it, as I decided I really couldn't afford the total price with shipping (Which came out to shy on $400), but if I ever do get back into airsoft, (My old gun is a bolt-action 450 FPS Sniper Rifle) this is the package I would get.
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I never played airsoft, I did paintball. Worst hit I remember was a close shot in the back that hit right on a vertabrae. It put me on my knees.
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Um, last time I was looking at a new airsoft gun, here was my route: (Keep in mind, FPS IS important. Anything below 400 is not worth touching IMHO)
Keep in mind that it is required at my field to have an Airsoft gun 400fps & lower.
-FYB
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Keep in mind that it is required at my field to have an Airsoft gun 400fps & lower.
-FYB
Yeah, same too. That's why I favor bolt-action spring rifles. When they test your FPS when you first arrive, the spring will be cold, and shoot anywhere from 250-350 FPS when they test it. So basically, you will be safe, and they will okay it. 5-10 shots later, it's warm and firing at 450+ FPS! Thats what my rifle did anyway.
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So every time i come and the spring is cold, they will let me through because it shoots 350 - 400fps? I'm just worried that won't happen and then they might tell me that the gun cant be used.
-FYB
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Yeah, same too. That's why I favor bolt-action spring rifles. When they test your FPS when you first arrive, the spring will be cold, and shoot anywhere from 250-350 FPS when they test it. So basically, you will be safe, and they will okay it. 5-10 shots later, it's warm and firing at 450+ FPS! Thats what my rifle did anyway.
If the spring's cold, it will be stiffer. Actually usually you should lose FPS as you shoot (not any significant amount). You may have air seal problems...
(Keep in mind, FPS IS important. Anything below 400 is not worth touching IMHO)
Actually, FPS over a point is pretty much irrelevant. Tokyo Marui's, which have to stay under .98J (300 ish FPS w/ a .2) in accordance with Japanese law, will generally outshoot any clone (which usually have significantly higher FPS), simply because they are made with much higher quality. They're surprisingly accurate and have unnaturally good hopups for a stock gun. However once you get too far below 250 you can really lose effectiveness.
Also, I left out in my PM to you, FYB, that G3 and AR-15 based guns use a V.2 gearbox, which has a tendency to snap at the front in cold weather (below 30 farenheit) with heavy springs. This is something you'll want to keep in mind.
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So every time i come and the spring is cold, they will let me through because it shoots 350 - 400fps? I'm just worried that won't happen and then they might tell me that the gun cant be used.
-FYB
Mine did, but perhaps that's just that individual gun.
Actually, FPS over a point is pretty much irrelevant. Tokyo Marui's, which have to stay under .98J (300 ish FPS w/ a .2) in accordance with Japanese law, will generally outshoot any clone (which usually have significantly higher FPS), simply because they are made with much higher quality. They're surprisingly accurate and have unnaturally good hopups for a stock gun. However once you get too far below 250 you can really lose effectiveness.
FPS must be high for me because I like the person to feel the pain and KNOW it hit them. If you buy a Tokyo Marui (Which I don't touch simply because of their price) you can purchase upgrades from tokyo marui which will be installed before it is delivered which will boost your FPS pretty much as high as you want it to go. Just keep in mind, to get similiar FPS to that G3 stock for $119, I would have to pay about $350 to Tokyo Marui.
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Dude i would do paintball if i was you. Paintball has basicly everything airsoft does and more!!! (plus its more of a mans sport :D )
I dont know if there is alot of airsoft field but with paintball there is MASSIVE scenario games/fields all over the country. On friday i am leaving to Richmond for a 26 HOUR long Paintball scenario game.
If you looking to to more military style guns i would go with a Tippmann A-5 or 98 for starters. They are EXTREMELY reliable. Once i was at a field and some guy accedeitnaly ran over a A-5 with a pick up truck and it still shot fine!
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FPS must be high for me because I like the person to feel the pain and KNOW it hit them. If you buy a Tokyo Marui (Which I don't touch simply because of their price) you can purchase upgrades from tokyo marui which will be installed before it is delivered which will boost your FPS pretty much as high as you want it to go. Just keep in mind, to get similiar FPS to that G3 stock for $119, I would have to pay about $350 to Tokyo Marui.
Just semantics, but Tokyo Marui doesn't make upgrade parts, since it's illegal in Japan to have anything over .98j. Some retail companies have upgrade services but it's really just easier to do it yourself. In the end it's about what you use. I've got a TM AK47 that I've upgraded and changed over the past 3 years, up to around 350 FPS (which is all you really need tbh) with a whole host of other parts. It's held up remarkably well to stress it's not been designed for (really there's no amount of abnormal wear at all). If you want to, you can buy a TM, a Systema M120 spring, some steel bushings and a steel spring guide (these are nylon from the factory to make it harder to upgrade to illegal levels) and a better gearset (stock TM gears are great, but again on an upgraded spring they can be a liability as TM tries to make it difficult to upgrade in accordance with Japanese law) like Prometheus or even just Guarder or something... you'll have something that you'll never have to open for maintenance again that shoots 400+. At the same level in a clone, other parts are viable to break, like the GB shell, piston, and most importantly the electronics which are notoriously bad. Recently clones have become much better, but for the most part it's still worth it to buy a TM if you've got the money.
I dont know if there is alot of airsoft field but with paintball there is MASSIVE scenario games/fields all over the country. On friday i am leaving to Richmond for a 26 HOUR long Paintball scenario game.
The whole point of airsoft is milsim.
If you looking to to more military style guns
I've never seen a production paintball marker that looks close when geared up. HPA tank and hopper kinda kill the look.
Once i was at a field and some guy accedeitnaly ran over a A-5 with a pick up truck and it still shot fine!
That's not really anything special.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsnfFB-lo0&feature=related
Note that that's a T56-1, which is basically the chinese version of the AKMS... if it had been a T56 the stock would not have broken.
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I never played airsoft, I did paintball. Worst hit I remember was a close shot in the back that hit right on a vertabrae. It put me on my knees.
Depending on the angle, distance and temp out those things can really hurt. :uhoh :uhoh I can recall quite a few times where being hit caused me to bleed or knocked me off my feet, and then going into school the next day, my teachers must think my parents beat me or something. :lol