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Title: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 20, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
This kinda goes with the artty (artillery) thing, but it would be a good idea to have a dedicated scout plane which could take pictures other than screen shots that could be used as a tac map, you could click on a base or scroll through a list to bring up maps. It should also have artillery spotting button as a weapon, and have a list of alerts such as tank collum from S. to send to tanks or attack planes, or enemy planes or attackes from S to send to fighters or mobile AA. It could be something allong the lines of the piper cub or at least a plane with good ground view. It should be VERRRY manuverable, even more than the oscar as it is basicly unarmed and unarmored :pray  and should be armed with a 20mm hispanola :devil, or at least twin .50's :t  in the tail and have a large ammo capacity. It may not have been an plane that was designed to be armed but manny pilots did rig there planes with cannons or even bazookas :cool:, the weapons could be perked. I think it would be a good addition even if the artillery dosen't make it in, so plz give your oppinion but don't get to carried away by riping into this.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: PFactorDave on April 20, 2009, 06:13:14 PM
Storch!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Dan216TH on April 20, 2009, 06:36:41 PM
yes
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see now they have to add it
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Lusche on April 20, 2009, 06:41:18 PM
Storch!

We once had a Storch in game, but he was banned...  :noid
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Saurdaukar on April 20, 2009, 07:49:28 PM
AWACS FTW.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: SuBWaYCH on April 20, 2009, 08:05:10 PM
AWACS FTW.

OMGWTF IS UP WID DA B-17 AND DA BIG CIRCLE THINGY ON TOP OF IT!??!?!?!!?!?!??!

 :cool:


Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: StokesAk on April 20, 2009, 10:56:37 PM
Who needs a scout planes when you can have bombs with it?
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: MachFly on April 20, 2009, 11:51:33 PM
This kinda goes with the artty (artillery) thing, but it would be a good idea to have a dedicated scout plane which could take pictures other than screen shots that could be used as a tac map, you could click on a base or scroll through a list to bring up maps. It should also have artillery spotting button as a weapon, and have a list of alerts such as tank collum from S. to send to tanks or attack planes, or enemy planes or attackes from S to send to fighters or mobile AA. It could be something allong the lines of the piper cub or at least a plane with good ground view.

well....there is a thread about the black cat, you might want to check that out.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,257435.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,257435.0.html)
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: waystin2 on April 21, 2009, 09:49:10 AM
Yes to the PBY!!!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: FTJR on April 21, 2009, 10:45:01 AM
Boomerang!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: morfiend on April 21, 2009, 11:17:41 AM
We once had a Storch in game, but he was banned...  :noid


 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Denholm on April 21, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
We once had a Storch in game, but he was banned...  :noid
Nice. :lol
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 21, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
Nice replys guys, thnx for the support :aok, espesialy you MachFly, but can the Black Cat fly from ground bases? We really need an amphibious plane, it would be a great idea, I was talking more of the Piper Cub, but the cat sounds much better, the H8K would be nice to, but I still think it should be something light, relativly fast, and manuverable so as to out turn fighters :cool:!!!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: MstWntd on April 21, 2009, 05:10:57 PM
If anything I'd like to see a couple scout planes (American, and one German maybe?) that are un-armed and since they are unarmed, they do not show up on dar. It would be a nice perk for those who want to spend time in it.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: MachFly on April 21, 2009, 05:42:50 PM
Nice replys guys, thnx for the support :aok, espesialy you MachFly, but can the Black Cat fly from ground bases? We really need an amphibious plane, it would be a great idea, I was talking more of the Piper Cub, but the cat sounds much better, the H8K would be nice to, but I still think it should be something light, relativly fast, and manuverable  :cool:!!!

no problem

and yes it can take of from ground bases
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: FYB on April 21, 2009, 05:43:01 PM
Nice replys guys, thnx for the support :aok, espesialy you MachFly, but can the Black Cat fly from ground bases? We really need an amphibious plane, it would be a great idea, I was talking more of the Piper Cub, but the cat sounds much better, the H8K would be nice to, but I still think it should be something light, relativly fast, and manuverable so as to out turn fighters :cool:!!!
The PBY had different models, some carried landing gears, other were really just flying boats.

-FYB
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 21, 2009, 05:51:09 PM
Ok, MstWntd, you be smokin the good stuff!!!, I need some good pot conections, can you hook me up :huh? If the scout planes were unarmed then they would be a nice juicy target for fighters, and second German scout planes were often armed, some Americans jerry rigged their planes with mg's cannons, and even bazookas :t!!!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: FYB on April 21, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
Ok, MstWntd, you be smokin the good stuff!!!, I need some good pot conections, can you hook me up :huh? If the scout planes were unarmed then they would be a nice juicy target for fighters, and second German scout planes were often armed, some Americans jerry rigged their planes with mg's cannons, and even bazookas :t!!!
Well what are we talking about? Weed, PBY or Useless unarmed scout planes, OR American scout planes loaded with Cannons and Bazookas?

-FYB
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: StokesAk on April 21, 2009, 08:02:27 PM
Ok, MstWntd, you be smokin the good stuff!!!, I need some good pot conections, can you hook me up :huh? If the scout planes were unarmed then they would be a nice juicy target for fighters, and second German scout planes were often armed, some Americans jerry rigged their planes with mg's cannons, and even bazookas :t!!!

I want the unarmed ones.  :)
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: MachFly on April 21, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Well what are we talking about? Weed, PBY or Useless unarmed scout planes, OR American scout planes loaded with Cannons and Bazookas?

-FYB

:rofl
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: RipChord929 on April 22, 2009, 03:40:37 AM
Well sure... If we get arty, we'll need a spotter plane...
That little L5 was more feared than Jabos...

Jabo attack would be 15 to 20 mins of pure terror..
Then they'd fly away, out of ammo and bombs..

But an L5 puttin around your AO, meant a constant
rain of heavy arty in daylite hours, even if someone
farted crosswise attracting his attention...
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: frank3 on April 22, 2009, 05:28:01 AM
You could always up the RV8, which is small and unarmed and may out-turn fighters.
Or up a Hurricane Mk.I and empty the guns. Or perhaps the D3A?
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Denholm on April 22, 2009, 08:36:33 AM
The D3A brings back memories. :lol
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: frank3 on April 22, 2009, 09:15:13 AM
It's one great little turnfighter :aok If only it had some forward-firing armament....just 1 x .303 would be enough!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Denholm on April 22, 2009, 09:20:57 AM
But that would be unfair. You already whipped me, why make it easier? :D
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: frank3 on April 22, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
Are you talking about the D3A vs D3A fight we once had? Because I almost forgot about that!
I'm not sure how we menaged to kill eachother, with only rear-mg
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Rich46yo on April 22, 2009, 10:28:29 AM
So who exactly is going to upp one of these unarmed 180 mph scout planes. And where? And when?And what are they going to scout?

We already have the goon. That can scout, and its faster.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Denholm on April 22, 2009, 10:44:02 AM
In regards to scout planes, we have plenty, and they're all armed. All you need is a dedicated player that will take the time to fly them and use them as a scout/spotter plane. It has worked in the past and can work just as well in the future. If CT were around I could see the use for an actual scout plane, but it's not here. So let's use what we have until the game-play changes in a way that requires the use of scout planes.

Frank, that's what I was talking about. It was hilarious turn fighting in those things, taking one second to ping the enemy, then going back to turning. I think the only guy I shot down was a proxy. I engaged him from the rear (of course) and managed to ping him. About 6 minutes later the opponent crashed into the water after stalling. Those were quite some fights. Although long, they were exciting.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: waystin2 on April 22, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
For myself, it is not the ability to have a scout plane to scout things out.  Rather to fly the fabled PBY.  I could care less if I spotted a cv group with it or not.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Dan216TH on April 22, 2009, 11:41:37 AM
what about a lightened Bf-109 with one MG42 and more fuel? thats a scout plane and I think that would just be a simple loadout and it would waste less time and make everyone happy!
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 22, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
A lot of you guys are saying to just use a fighter, but it can't really spot for artty a most scout planes had wings above the fuselage to give better ground view and, if I am thinking bout the right plane, had a rather large window and could see the ground flying strait up to about 300D in front of him flying at 7000ft, while the fighters have wings below or attached to the fuselage limiting view, they are not as maneuverable and single seat while most scout planes had a crew of 2 (tandem?). I agree with wastin2, just to fly some of those legendary planes is really what this game is about for me, I don't care if my county wins or looses, I like it when we win, but it is not the whole game. <S> wastin2. Dan216Th the Mg42 was fast firing, equivalent of .30 cal, but it was terribly unreliable, one grain of sand would jam it while the American guns, you pour dirt down the barrel and you still kill a S**T  load of Germans and Japs!!! :cool:
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Motherland on April 22, 2009, 03:38:46 PM
Dan216Th the Mg42 was fast firing, equivalent of .30 cal, but it was terribly unreliable, one grain of sand would jam it while the American guns, you pour dirt down the barrel and you still kill a S**T  load of Germans and Japs!!! :cool:
Actually, the MG42 was more reliable than the earlier MG34...

"The new machine gun, while being made to lower standards of fit and finish, proved to be quite functional and reliable (a feature that the much more “refined” MG 34 lacked, especially in the mud and snow of the Russian front). "

This is one of the reasons it's still in use today...

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg33-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg33-e.htm)
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on April 22, 2009, 03:39:15 PM
Boomerang!


Now this i like, a early fighter with arti spotting ability's.


Imagine if they could simply place a colored dot on the map,and ships could fire on those locations easyer. :rock :rock
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 22, 2009, 03:58:07 PM
Motherland, while I don't doubt that SOME county SOMEWHERE along with some rebels still use the Mg42, as far as I am aware no major county uses the originol and unmotified Mg42, the U.S. and some of her allies use a modified version, and Germany uses a SLIGHTLY less modified version, the U.S.A. still uses uses the good old, dependable, all american Browning .50 cal heavy Mg. The Mg42, while still a big step up from the Mg34, was still unreliable, and prone to jaming, even their pistols had to have a special dust and dirt protecting holster for cryin out loud, it is hard to screw up a pistol like that. I had an uncle who was in WWII, he and his squad took out a german mg nest and decided to take one to improve their fire power, they took good care of it for all of about 3 weeks, it jamed so many times it wasn't worth the weight to carry it. But we are getting off topic, back to the scout plane, give me your oppinion. Nem...out.
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Motherland on April 22, 2009, 05:43:50 PM
Motherland, while I don't doubt that SOME county SOMEWHERE along with some rebels still use the Mg42, as far as I am aware no major county uses the originol and unmotified Mg42, the U.S. and some of her allies use a modified version, and Germany uses a SLIGHTLY less modified version, the U.S.A. still uses uses the good old, dependable, all american Browning .50 cal heavy Mg.
lol!
You're really comparing the M2 .50 cal. to the MG42? You realize that these are two COMPLETELY different weapons with COMPLETELY different roles, correct? That would be like me saying that the M1911A1 was a POS and that the MG42... just look at the MG42!
Also... do you really think that the M2 has not been modified since WWII? REALLY?

A much more appropriate comparison to the MG42 can be made with the Browning Automatic Rifle or the Browning M1919 .30 cal. machine gun. These machine guns were so superb, that immediately after the war the US started developing weapons based on the action of the MG42. The result of this was the famous 'all-American' M60, which was heavily based on the MG42 and FG42. Of course this weapon has since been replaced (or supplemented?) by the M249 Minimi, designed by Fabrique Nationale, another 'all-American' company. :lol



Although... you were right on one thing. Only a couple countries still use the MG3.


NATO
    *  Canada
    *  Denmark
    *  Estonia
    *  Latvia
    *  Germany
    *  Greece
    *  Iceland
    *  Italy
    *  Lithuania
    *  Norway
    *  Portugal
    *  Spain
    *  Poland
    *  Turkey

Non-NATO
    *  Australia
    *  Austria.
    *  Bangladesh
    *  Cape Verde
    *  Chile
    *  Cyprus
    *  Finland
    *  Iran
    *  Macedonia
    *  Malta
    *  Mozambique
    *  Myanmar
    *  Nigeria
    *  Pakistan
    *  Saudi Arabia
    *  Sudan
    *  Sweden
    *  Switzerland
    *  Thailand

(from Wikipedia)
Title: Re: dedicated scout plane
Post by: Nemisis on April 22, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
No I am not comparing, I know that the U.S. browning has been modified since WWII, but it is still the browning, while the Mg42 has gone through some changes in caliber, ROF, the mechanism used has been changed, it isn't even called the Mg42, but the U.S. mg is still the browning, and yes we made the M60, but we still used the browning to, and the M60 and browning .50 aren't even in the same class of Mg, just like the Mg42 and the browning.