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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: flatiron1 on April 22, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
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just want a simple answer from the AVA staff. Why is the AVA so hung up on they nonMA bombsite?
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The AvA bombsight used to be the bombsight for the whole game but because you have to actually stay level and keep your speed right some people whined about it and HTC made the 'easymode' MA one. I for one like it and it would be a lot more fun if we had some wind layers to add to the realism. :aok
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The easy mode. I bet if Htech removes the easy mode a lot of CVs wont be lost and base capture got harder
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The AvA bombsight is the best one, and it calibrates for wind, but most people can't plot a decent heading to bring their bombers over the target anyway.
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just want a simple answer from the AVA staff. Why is the AVA so hung up on they nonMA bombsite?
From its inception the AvA has always been a place that tried to be a little more realistic than the MAs. We have shorter icon range, for example (which, years ago, many AvA critics complained was what was keeping people away) (heh). We have lower-effect (and far more realistic) ack settings. Same thing with the bomb sight. Not only does it take a bit more effort to use, but it results in more realistic bomb patterns, rather than the the laser-guided munitions that the MA people have.
I don't fly bombers at all, really, but the other night when there was no one else in the arena I thought I'd see if I could work the AvA bomb sight with a Ju-88. As it turned out, I could. If I can, anyone can.
Watching these boards over the past few years, it seems to me that people who have mastered the AvA sight are proud of the accomplishment and don't want to go back to the easy version. So we've kept it.
- oldman
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thanks for the answer Oldman. I do fine with it also if I have enough time to fool with it (under attack) after not practicing for a while. The only time I use bombers in AVA is in a war or like Larry's mission last night. I just wonder if it is part of the low numbers problem. One thing about the realism is in real life they had a bombardier that could focus on his work while the rest of the crew defended.
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could someone teach me how to use it sometime? :huh
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could someone teach me how to use it sometime? :huh
Level out and set your throttle setting how you want it. Now fly the better part of a sector without changing anything to let your speed level out. Go into the bomb sight and press U, bring up the keyboard, now hold shift and click on your target. Now put your bomb sight cross on something like a tree, sheep, or building and hold Y down as long as you can. I usually hold it for about fifteen seconds. now check your E6B to see if your speed is the same. After that only move your plane from the bombsight. :aok
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Now put your bomb sight cross on something like a tree, sheep, or building and hold Y down as long as you can.
got it thanks :aok
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don't u have to pull back on your stick to get it to hold on that spot?
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Yeah but when in the bombsite it can only move your plane left or right. Even then, when you're in calibration mode it moves the bombsite cross and not your plane.
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what I meant was when calibrating and you put the crosshair on a spot don't you have to pull back on the stick to hold it there while holding down y button.
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yeah
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Level out and set your throttle setting how you want it. Now fly the better part of a sector without changing anything to let your speed level out. Go into the bomb sight and press U, bring up the keyboard, now hold shift and click on your target. Now put your bomb sight cross on something like a tree, sheep, or building and hold Y down as long as you can. I usually hold it for about fifteen seconds. now check your E6B to see if your speed is the same. After that only move your plane from the bombsight. :aok
If you forget all this, a set of sketchy instructions appears in the upper left corner of the screen when you're in the bombardier's position.
The trick for me was the two step process - first, marking the altitude of the target with the shift-click thing, then doing the speed calibration with the Y button.
- oldman
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Never mind, I'm losing my mind.
- oldman
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Yeah Larry, you left out the altitude selection "shift left click on target". Oldman you were right...... oh oooooh :uhoh
Okay, two things Larry you can clarify if I am not correct.
1) Air starts at 72 will shorten the time to target. On air start retract gear immediately and do not hit auto climb. Give it a few seconds and the plane should start to level off.
2) Bomber calibration is more complex. So, either come early and practice or recommended you wing with a lead pilot who is confidently accurate and drop on his cue. Calibration: Shift left click on the map, the target that you will drop on (to set altitude), move the bombardier view forward and zoom all the way in, use the joystick to keep the crosshairs pinned to one spot while pressing and holding down the Y key. Notice the calibrated speed if not within @ 2 mph adjust your throttle or recalibrate.
Now, be there or be :noid
This worked for me yesterday practicing and knocked out a bomber hangar with precision with 3 500 lb bombs selected.
I forgot to mention that whenever switching to another target you must recalibrate with all the steps above. Steering from the bombardier position only after calibration was something I have just learned from you guys
:salute Good post
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Here's what I do, and it's pretty old school.
Open the bomb bay doors way early (like at least a half a sector from the target). Set your throttle to where you want it. Let Your airspeed
stabilize before you calibrate.
F6 to enter Bombers position
U to enter calibration mode.
Bring up the map, shift click on your target to set target altitude.
Zoom in the map and pick a point your cross hairs are on, press the Y key and hold it down while keeping your crosshairs on the point you selected for calibration. The longer you hold this the more accurate your drop will be. I'm like Larry here, I will hold it for 15 to 30 seconds..
Once calibrated you must press the U key again to get out of calibration mode before you drop or your drop will go wild.
The important thing for better accuracy is not to allow your airspeed or altitude to change once you are calibrated. Get your self set up on the heading you want to approach your target way, way early, before you calibrate. When in Calibration mode you can slew the bombsight, zoom in etc to get a lay of the land at the target. But remember, once you are calibrated only minor course corrections should be carried out and only from the bombardiers position.
Any change in altitude / airspeed will affect your drop.
As a side note, when I bomb like this I do not do it at low altitude. Low altitude leaves you no wiggle room. I bomb from 20K most times.
Also, once in the bombardiers position you are pretty much commited to the run from there. We used to call in "in the pipe" back in the old days.
Always a good idea to take a gunner with you too.
Hope some of this makes sense and helps.
cheers,
RTR
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I was told that if you move the crosshairs forward near the horizon and zoom all the way in, you have an easier time of pinning your target with the joystick while in calibration mode.
I like Larry's idea of aiming at a sheep, but they did away with most of the sheep balloons.
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I was told that if you move the crosshairs forward near the horizon and zoom all the way in, you have an easier time of pinning your target with the joystick while in calibration mode.
You do not neccessarily have to pinpoint your target in the crosshairs.
Any spot on the ground will do, so you can calibrate hours before reaching your target :aok
Also, it takes lots of time to traverse your bombsight all the way horizontal. So by the time you actually have a visual of your target, it might already be too late to do that.
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Doesnt really matter how accurate you are when intially calibrating your bombsight. Afterwards just make sure E6B matches your bombsight. No need to be level for a sector or not turn after calibrating. If you do come off autopilot make sure your altitude is back where the bombsight is calibrated for.
Strip
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Doesnt really matter how accurate you are when intially calibrating your bombsight. Afterwards just make sure E6B matches your bombsight. No need to be level for a sector or not turn after calibrating. If you do come off autopilot make sure your altitude is back where the bombsight is calibrated for.
Strip
Entering and exiting calibration mode by hitting U twice without actually calibrating with Y adjusts your drop alt in a split-second. No need to go back to original calibrated alt.
I use this feature a lot, giving up or gaining alt to adjust my actual speed after turnign around for a second attack. Works both with MA as well as the AvA bombsight setting.
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Entering and exiting calibration mode by hitting U twice without actually calibrating with Y adjusts your drop alt in a split-second. No need to go back to original calibrated alt.
Won't that un-calibrate your sight?
I've noticed the same thing, after hitting U twice. But somehow my aim was off afterwards.
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The AvA bombsight used to be the bombsight for the whole game but because you have to actually stay level and keep your speed right some people whined about it and HTC made the 'easymode' MA one. I for one like it and it would be a lot more fun if we had some wind layers to add to the realism. :aok
Isnt there windlayers past 15k? I thought there was.
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Isnt there windlayers past 15k? I thought there was.
Maybe yes, maybe no. Whoever puts the setup in place can control the wind speed and direction at various altitudes. Generally we don't do this at low altitudes because people complain that it makes landing too difficult. For a similar reason (guess!) we usually don't put it in at higher levels.
Evil geniuses like Fork and Soda, however, will put wind into their setups quite frequently. Probably we should get some popular input on the subject.
- oldman