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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrMeanie on April 26, 2009, 11:34:16 AM
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GENEVA – Countries planned quarantines, tightened rules on pork imports and tested airline passengers for fevers as global health officials tried Sunday to come up with uniform ways to battle a deadly strain of swine flu. Nations from New Zealand to France reported new suspected cases and some warned citizens against travel to North America.
World Health Organization Director-General Margaret Chan held teleconferences with staff and flu experts around the world but stopped short of recommending specific measures to halt the disease beyond urging governments to step up their surveillance of suspicious outbreaks.
Governments including China, Russia and Taiwan began planning to put anyone with symptoms of the deadly virus under quarantine.
Others were increasing their screening of pigs and pork imports from the Americas or banning them outright despite health officials' reassurances that it was safe to eat thoroughly cooked pork.
Some nations issued travel warnings for Mexico and the United States.
Chan called the outbreak a public health emergency of "pandemic potential" because the virus can pass from human to human.
Her agency was considering whether to issue nonbinding recommendations on travel and trade restrictions, and even border closures. It is up to governments to decide whether to follow the advice.
"Countries are encouraged to do anything that they feel would be a precautionary measure," WHO spokeswoman Aphaluck Bhatiasevi said. "All countries need to enhance their monitoring."
New Zealand said that 10 students who took a school trip to Mexico "likely" had swine flu. Israel said a man who had recently visited Mexico had been hospitalized while authorities try to determine whether he had the disease. French Health Ministry officials said four possible cases of swine flu are currently under investigation, including a family of three in the northern Nord region and a woman in the Paris region. The four recently returned from Mexico. Tests on two separate cases of suspected swine flu proved negative, they said.
Spain's Health Ministry said three people who just returned from Mexico were under observation in hospitals in the northern Basque region, in southeastern Albacete and the Mediterranean port city of Valencia.
Mexico closed schools, museums, libraries and theaters in a bid to contain the outbreak after hundreds were sickened there. In the U.S., there have been at least 11 confirmed cases of swine flu in California, Texas and Kansas. Patients have ranged in age from 9 to over 50. At least two were hospitalized. All recovered or are recovering.
New York health officials said more than 100 students at the St. Francis Preparatory School, in Queens, recently began suffering a fever, sore throat and aches and pains. Some of their relatives also have been ill.
Some St. Francis students had recently traveled to Mexico, The New York Times and New York Post reported Sunday.
Preliminary tests of samples taken from sick students' noses and throats confirmed that at least eight had a non-human strain of influenza type A, indicating probable cases of swine flu, city health officials said. The exact subtypes were still unknown, and the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was conducting further tests.
Hong Kong and Taiwan said visitors who came back from flu-affected areas with fevers would be quarantined. China said anyone experiencing flu-like symptoms within two weeks of arrival an affected area had to report to authorities. A Russian health agency said any passenger from North America running a fever would be quarantined until cause of the fever is determined.
Tokyo's Narita airport installed a device to test the temperatures of passengers arriving from Mexico.
Indonesia increased surveillance at all entry points for travelers with flu-like symptoms — using devices at airports that were put in place years ago to monitor for severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, and bird flu. It said it was ready to quarantine suspected victims if necessary.
Hong Kong and South Korea warned against travel to the Mexican capital and three affected provinces. Italy, Poland and Venezuela also advised their citizens to postpone travel to affected areas of Mexico and the United States.
Symptoms of the flu-like illness include a fever of more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.8 degrees Celsius), body aches, coughing, a sore throat, respiratory congestion and, in some cases, vomiting and diarrhea.
At least 81 people have died from severe pneumonia caused by the disease in Mexico, according to the WHO.
The virus is usually contracted through direct contact with pigs, but Joseph Domenech, chief of animal health service at U.N. Food and Agriculture Agency in Rome, said all indications were that the virus is being spread through human-to-human transmission.
No vaccine specifically protects against swine flu, and it is unclear how much protection current human flu vaccines might offer.
Russia banned the import of meat products from Mexico, California, Texans and Kansas. South Korea said it would increase the number of its influenza virus checks on pork products from Mexico and the U.S.
Serbia on Saturday banned all imports of pork from North America, despite reassurances from the FAO that pigs appear not to be the immediate source of infection.
Italy's agriculture lobby, Coldiretti, warned against panic reaction, noting that farmers lost hundreds of millions of euros (dollars) because of consumers boycotts during the 2001 mad cow scare and the 2005 bird flu outbreak.
Japanese Agriculture Minister Shigeru Ishiba appeared on TV to calm consumers, saying it was safe to eat pork.
In Egypt, health authorities were examining about 350,000 pigs being raised in Cairo and other provinces for swine flu.
The WHO's pandemic alert level is currently at to phase 3. The organization said the level could be raised to phase 4 if the virus shows sustained ability to pass from human to human.
Phase 5 would be reached if the virus is found in at least two countries in the same region.
"The declaration of phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short," WHO said.
Phase 6 would indicate a full-scale global pandemic.
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Associated Press writers around the world contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090426/ap_on_re_au_an/swine_flu_world
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/pandemic 2 joke if u ever played it
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/pandemic 2 joke if u ever played it
:rofl
Love that game.
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1 this isnt a joke. its real. and please dont hijack my post with crap like that.
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*UPDATE*
TORONTO – Nova Scotia's chief public health officer says the east coast Canadian province has four confirmed cases of swine flu.
Chief Public Health officer Dr. Robert Strang says Sunday four students from King's-Edgehill School in Nova Scotia ranging in age from 12 to 17 or 18 are recovering. All of them had what he describes as "very mild" cases of the flu.
Canadian officials are planning a briefing today in Ottawa on the swine flu situation, which the World Health Organization has declared to be a "public health emergency of international concern."
Mexico's health minister says the disease has killed up to 86 people and likely sickened more than 1,400 since April 13.
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*other update MSN.Com*
U.S. declares swine flu public health emergency
20 cases have been confirmed so far in the U.S.; up to 81 killed in Mexico
Government officials have declared a public health emergency in connection with the swine flu outbreak that has killed dozens in Mexico and sickened 20 in the U.S., said the nation’s director of Homeland Security said Sunday.
Janet Napolitano also said border patrol agents have been directed to begin passive surveillance of travelers from Mexico, with instructions to isolate anyone who appears actively ill with suspected influenza.
The number of cases confirmed in the United States by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now 20, including eight New York City high school students. Other cases are in Ohio, California, Texas and Kansas. Patients have ranged in age from 9 to over 50.
“As we look for swine flu, we are seeing more cases of swine flu and we expect to see more cases of swine flu," said Dr. Richard Besser, acting director of the CDC, during a White House press conference Sunday. "We view this more as a marathon."
Napolitano said the emergency declaration is a warning, not an actual imminent emergency, similar to preparing for a hurricane.
"I wish we could call it a declaration of emergency preparedness,” Napolitano said.
Besser noted that compared to cases in Mexico, “what we’re seeing in this country is mild disease,” nothing that the U.S. cases would not have been detected without increased surveillance.
“The real important take away is that we have an outbreak of a new infectious disease that we’re addressing aggressively,” Besser said. He said he still can’t say why cases in U.S. are so much milder than the deadly cases in Mexico where up to 81 have died and more than 1,300 have been sickened since April 13.
The incubation period for this virus is 24 to 48 hour period. President Barack Obama recently traveled to Mexico but the president’s health was never in any danger, said John Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security.
President Barack Obama has received regular briefings from advisers on the swine flu outbreak and the White House readied guidance for Americans.
“The government can’t solve this alone, we need everybody to take some responsibility,” Napolitano said.
Besser urged Americans to practice frequent handwashing and to stay home if they feel sick. “If your children are sick, have a fever and flu-like illness, they shouldn’t go to school.”
The U.S. will begin screening travelers at the nation’s borders and isolating people who are actively ill with suspected influenza, the director of Homeland Security said today. No travel restrictions are issued currently, but that could change, she said.
Napolitano said she’d ordered border officials to start passive surveillance protocols to screen people at U.S. borders. asking "Are you sick? Have you been sick?"
Health officials said the facts of the outbreak don’t yet warrant testing or quarantine of travelers from Mexico, but that that could change if the situation gets worse.
Officials said Sunday they are considering whether to begin manufacture of a vaccine.
“At this point, there is not a vaccine for this swine flu strain,” Besser said.
Deaths in Mexico
Symptoms in the New York cases have been mild, said New York City Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden. New York health officials said more than 100 students at the St. Francis Preparatory School, in Queens, recently began suffering a fever, sore throat and aches and pains. Some of their relatives also have been ill.
Some St. Francis students had recently traveled to Mexico, The New York Times and New York Post reported Sunday.
The World Health Organization chief said Saturday that the strain has "pandemic potential," and it might be too late to contain a sudden outbreak.
Monitoring possible cases
State infectious-diseases, epidemiology and disaster preparedness workers have been dispatched to monitor and respond to possible cases of the flu. Gov. David Paterson said 1,500 treatment courses of the antiviral Tamiflu had been sent to New York City.
The city health department has asked doctors to be extra vigilant and test patients who have flu symptoms and have traveled recently to California, Texas or Mexico.
Investigators also were testing children who fell ill at a day care center in the Bronx. Two families in Manhattan also have contacted the city, saying they had recently returned ill from Mexico with flu symptoms, Frieden said.
Frieden said New Yorkers having trouble breathing due to an undiagnosed respiratory illness should seek treatment but shouldn't become overly alarmed. Medical facilities near St. Francis Prep have already been flooded with people overreacting to the outbreak, he said.
Kansas health officials said Saturday that they had confirmed swine flu in a married couple living in the central part of the state after the husband visited Mexico. The couple, who live in Dickinson County, weren't hospitalized, and the state described their illnesses as mild.
Fortunately, the man and woman understand the gravity of the situation and are very willing to isolate themselves," said Dr. Jason Eberhart-Phillips, the state health officer.
Swine flu is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A flu viruses, the CDC's Web site says. Human cases are uncommon but can occur in people who are around pigs. It also can be spread from person to person. Symptoms include a high fever, body aches, coughing, sore throat and respiratory congestion.
No immunity
Health officials are concerned because people appear to have no immunity to the virus, a combination of bird, swine and human influenzas. The virus also presents itself like other swine flus, but none of the U.S. cases appear to involve direct contact with pigs, Eberhart-Phillips said.
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Im not worried about it.
Fox news, HLN, and other news outlets act like the world is ending because of this
If the US is very serious about it, then close the border to mexico
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It is not just about the states.
Come two to three more days or so im willing to bet 1/2 of every nation on the planet if not more,will have a case or two, and that will make it a global pandemic.
Just one more step closer to NWO, can you say bio weapons for the invisible win?
:rofl
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3 of the cases in the U.S. are at my girlfriend's highschool in San Antonio. They're closed for the next week.
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From the reading I did yesterday I found that you cannot get this from eating pork. Only direct contact with a living infected animal can cause infection. So whats the point of pork bans?
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The count went up to 6 at my girlfriend's school.
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http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_26/en/index.html
26 April 2009 -- As of 26 April 2009, the United States Government has reported 20 laboratory confirmed human cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 (8 in New York, 7 in California, 2 in Texas, 2 in Kansas and 1 in Ohio). All 20 cases have had mild Influenza-Like Illness with only one requiring brief hospitalization. No deaths have been reported. All 20 viruses have the same genetic pattern based on preliminary testing. The virus is being described as a new subtype of A/H1N1 not previously detected in swine or humans.
Also as of 26 April, the Government of Mexico has reported 18 laboratory confirmed cases of swine influenza A/H1N1. Investigation is continuing to clarify the spread and severity of the disease in Mexico. Suspect clinical cases have been reported in 19 of the country's 32 states.
WHO and the Global Alert and Response Network (GOARN) are sending experts to Mexico to work with health authorities. WHO and its partners are actively investigating reports of suspect cases in other Member States as they occur, and are supporting field epidemiology activities, laboratory diagnosis and clinical management.
On Saturday, 25 April, upon the advice of the Emergency Committee called under the rules of the International Health Regulations, the Director-General declared this event a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.
WHO is not recommending any travel or trade restrictions.
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So far, most people has had a mild case and the vaccine will help. However, these thing can evolved to something a lot worst. I would take this serious.
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What bothers me about this is the symptoms, they all are about the same if you had a bad sinus infection. And since right now I have the sniffles I must be infected. :(
Though seriously lets up it doesn't blow up and we end up with something from the movie V for Vendetta.
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The 1918-19 influenza pandemic killed 20 million+...civilisation managed to survive it
Tronsky
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The 1918-19 influenza pandemic killed 20 million+...civilisation managed to survive it
Tronsky
it was 40 million...and I see your point Tronsky. But that info doesn't help someone personally, when his family members are infected. In that case, civilization has to stand behind. Just my thinking...
p.s. Common seasonal flu kills 250,000 to 500,000 people every year.
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Pretty sure I read the WHO say this wouldn't be worse than SARS was.
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Sad thing is they won't do anything to shut the border down and we will see more coming in [illegally] with it.
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This planet needs a pandemic. Too many people on this rock as it is.
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High Tech Creations announced today that in order to further contain the desease it wold be quarentining all memembers of pigs on the wing in order to not infect the rest of the Aces High community
Associated Press
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High Tech Creations announced today that in order to further contain the desease it wold be quarentining all memembers of pigs on the wing in order to not infect the rest of the Aces High community
Associated Press
:rofl
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The 1918-19 influenza pandemic killed 20 million+...civilisation managed to survive it
Tronsky
Yup, no big deal.
Unless you were one of the 20 to 40 million, that is.
The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years. The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years (Taubenberger). People were struck with illness on the street and died rapid deaths. One anectode shared of 1918 was of four women playing bridge together late into the night. Overnight, three of the women died from influenza (Hoagg). Others told stories of people on their way to work suddenly developing the flu and dying within hours (Henig). One physician writes that patients with seemingly ordinary influenza would rapidly "develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen" and later when cyanosis appeared in the patients, "it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate," (Grist, 1979). Another physician recalls that the influenza patients "died struggling to clear their airways of a blood-tinged froth that sometimes gushed from their nose and mouth," (Starr, 1976). The physicians of the time were helpless against this powerful agent of influenza.http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ (http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/)
It was estimated that around 5% of the population of the planet died because of that one single strain. This really isn't a laughing matter. Especially since influenza mutates so readily when it meets another strain.... they basically swap DNA at first glance. Since this strain has already gained human to human transmission, ie "it's airborne", if it runs into another strain that's more virile than it is.... this could very well get interesting.
This strain seems to have an untreated mortality around 1.8 to 2.0%. Luckily, it seems antibodies work, if given soon enough.
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Yup, no big deal.
Unless you were one of the 45 million, that is.
The Spanish Flu Pandemic killed anywhere from 40-100 million people.
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This planet needs a pandemic. Too many people on this rock as it is.
I nominate you to go first.
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High Tech Creations announced today that in order to further contain the desease it wold be quarentining all memembers of pigs on the wing in order to not infect the rest of the Aces High community
Associated Press
:rofl
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I nominate you to go first.
+1
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If you want to tackle the Spanish flue of old, one of my friends happened to pass it. (yes, born 1917) as well as I knew more, - people I grew up with.
This was no laughing matter. You had a huge part of the population in our rather insulated island (ICELAND with 1918 transport, which is rather ...slow compared to modern day's standards) infected. Very much so, enough to screw up just about everything. On top this happened in the coldest climate for a long time, making things even worse in cold housings.
Deaths were of completely unique numbers, including entire families (Parents and all children) being found dead in their homes. All got sick and by the time somebody came to check, they were all dead.
The disease even killed people in Spitzbergen, which (logically) was the first place to look for in the quest of analyzing the virus involved. Corpses in permafrost.
It was not successful, however from human remains frozen up in Alaska, it was established that the Spanish disease was basically the same as what was on in the business of the bird flu.
If this is closely related, and going pig-pig, not to mention with the meat, this is no joking matter.
Well the alarm has been on for years. I hope the best, but fear the worst.
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One thing that works against the swine-flu is its short incubation period of only 1-3 days. In 1918 that would have protected the Icelanders, among others, but today with air-travel we are more at risk from these very virulent strains.
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I nominate you to go first.
OK but I'm taking you with me :D (coughs and sneezes in your direction)
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I wouldn't be too concerned about this if I a.) didn't work with children. and b.) there weren't 8 high school students at a Newberry, SC High School "exhibiting flu-like symptoms". Bout 70 miles from here. They just got back from Cancun, most showed symptoms days after being back in class.
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OK but I'm taking you with me :D (coughs and sneezes in your direction)
:rofl :rofl Just apologize to him afterwards. "Sorry, but did I tell you....." :devil
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Damn.... Welp, I'm screwed....
I shared needles with a pig the other day...... :frown:
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this flu is new because it has a combination of the swine flu, bird flu and imfluazia. This make thing difficult to fight against because we have no vaccine to fight it. The big quesion CDC is puzzle is why are ppl in Mexico dieing from it but the 28 people in America has a mild case. Another problem is where did it start in Mexico.
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High Tech Creations announced today that in order to further contain the desease it wold be quarentining all memembers of pigs on the wing in order to not infect the rest of the Aces High community
Associated Press
That announcement is BS HTC was fully aware we were testing biological agents in order to turn even more people into swine :D , the herde is getting replenished :devil :rock
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That announcement is BS HTC was fully aware we were testing biological agents in order to turn even more people into swine :D , the herde is getting replenished :devil :rock
lol
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Bad news, 3 of the swine flu suspect cases have been CONFIRMED in NZ tonight.
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ok 11 now :( ... students recently arrived back from mexico.
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I wont worry too much about this flu, the only ppl that have die from it are in Mexico and given their health care system, not a bit surprise on how many death has occur. But never the less, used cause if having any signs of the flu.
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Dang, my list of datable chicks just got shorter.
This one had potential, but I don't have health insurance.
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like i said befor please dont go off topic thanks!
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lol
Good to see the people on this site are smart enough not to panic about this.
From what's going on with the media you'd think the friggen world is coming to an end.
Its definitely cause for concern and preparation, and that's what our government is doing. But its not time to panic just yet, like the countries that suddenly won't take our pork products.
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lol
Good to see the people on this site are smart enough not to panic about this.
From what's going on with the media you'd think the friggen world is coming to an end.
Its definitely cause for concern and preparation, and that's what our government is doing. But its not time to panic just yet, like the countries that suddenly won't take our pork products.
It's something that you still need to worry about. just don't listen to what media says, they tend to go over Bord.
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MrMeanie you should have worte that your self not copy it from CNN. :cool:
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p.s. Common seasonal flu kills 250,000 to 500,000 people every year.
And this has killed 81!! OMG 81!!!!!!
Makes the panic seem all the sillier IMO.
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yes its copy / pasted but i posted the links were i got my stuff
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Swine Flu landed 81 victories in an Ameoba of Panicing Pamdemics.
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36,000 people die each year from NORMAL Flu in the US--same crap happened in 1976....more people died from the vaccine than from the 'pandemic'...close border, don't eat out for a few weeks (and cancel that cruise to Cozumel :aok)
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AWWW MAN! :cry :mad: :( :furious i have already bought the tickets to go to mexico for two weeks! and it cost MUCHO money! not just my self but my parents we haven't been to mexico in like 3 years now.ughh im having seconds thoughts on going.....what do you guys think should i go?
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231442.msg3282839.html#msg3282839 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231442.msg3282839.html#msg3282839)
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AWWW MAN! :cry :mad: :( :furious i have already bought the tickets to go to mexico for two weeks! and it cost MUCHO money! not just my self but my parents we haven't been to mexico in like 3 years now.ughh im having seconds thoughts on going.....what do you guys think should i go?
Well, look at it this way. The only ppl that are dying are in Mexico. Why!?!? because their health care system is piss poor. And thous that die may not have done anything but ride it out. If you and/or parents have it, you will get treated right awa, assuming you guys are smart enough. CDC have announced that getting treatment right away is working well for ppl to have mild case and recover fast. But, since you are going for two week, i wont trust their facilities. so stay home, and get a refund.
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"US confirms 1st death from swine flu"
a 23-month-old child in Texas. :(
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu
Altho we can treat it in most cases, that's only with two types of medication.
How long till it becomes immune to those?
Bad days ahead.
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One thing that works against the swine-flu is its short incubation period of only 1-3 days. In 1918 that would have protected the Icelanders, among others, but today with air-travel we are more at risk from these very virulent strains.
Yup. That is one thing. With the stunningly fast transport of both people and fresh goods it could mean that this one keeps "stabbing", but the better news is that it perhaps not turn into a medieval style plague.
By the way, when the Spanish flu was raging, it was just about the end ow WW1. In Europe, conditions were so and so, as well as the nutritional status.
Up here, there had been hard times for all (very cold winter and a naughty volcanic eruption on top of the WW1 effect on transport of goods), so when the flu hit, it was a soft spot. Many people died because they were not nursed, and entire families died, since all got sick, and nobody could stand in their legs properly enough to nurse the others.
One thing for concern though. The casualty rates were highest where least expected. You'd expect infants and the old, but in this case it was in the range of 20-40.
If this gets going around much, it is bad. Really bad.
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You'd expect infants and the old, but in this case it was in the range of 20-40.
Infants and the elderly don't have to go to work, and in 1918 having the flu wasn't an excuse for most workers. So they dropped like flies.
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http://poststuff4.entensity.net/042409/flash.php?media=sneeze.flv
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"US confirms 1st death from swine flu"
a 23-month-old child in Texas. :(
A Mexican kid. Just more reason why the border needs to be shut down.
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Nothing can nor will stop me from eating bacon, ever!
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Work in a doctors office. Doors starting to be beaten down by anxious Ohioans with diarrhea ("No, it's not THAT kind of flu....you don't have it"), who talked on the phone with someone who knew a guy whose butcher vacationed in Mexico last year, who were sick 2 weeks ago and THEN went to MExico.....Arrrgh.
No one who even starts to have the symptoms that we'd worry about. I hate the media, and our panicky "life must have zero risks" culture.
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I am El Swino, perhaps you know my cousin, El Nino...
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Here's the vid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEoHz56jWGY
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Well....all I know is I keep seeing THIS guy (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/FlaggMovieSheridan-1.jpg)
Problem maybe ?
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See the link below about France calling for flights to Mexico to be suspended:
http://www.euronews.net/2009/04/29/debate-over-how-to-fight-swine-flu/
Frankly, no border or travel ban is going to stop the problem, if the spread is as shown on the link below.
http://healthmap.org/swineflu
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Just read that Egypt is going to slaughter all their Pigs, an estimated 350,000 of them.
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36,000 people die each year from NORMAL Flu in the US--same crap happened in 1976....more people died from the vaccine than from the 'pandemic'...close border, don't eat out for a few weeks (and cancel that cruise to Cozumel :aok)
This outlook is problematic.
While I don't disagree with you, the flippant attitude of your response shows exactly how much you know about the topic. The 1918 Spanish Flu started out almost exactly like this... jumped on the scene in 1916/17 as a mild but easily transmittable influenza. It took it about a year to run into an Avian based influenza that had a much higher virility. Once the two exchanged numbers and genetic code, the 1918 virus was born, with around a 2.5% mortality rate.
I don't know that I must point out, there already IS a known virulent influenza virus out there. H5N1. Hanging with around a 60% mortality rate, localised in SE Asia. Should these two strains meet.... One has EXACTLY what the other needs to be really dangerous. H1N1 has mixed genetic markers, with human, pig and avian roots. H5N1 is pretty much Avian. H5N1 is highly virulent (it kills). H1N1 is easily transmittable.
If they find each other.... we could have serious issues.
uman mortality from H5N1 or the human fatality ratio from H5N1 or the case-fatality rate of H5N1 refer to the ratio of the number of confirmed human deaths resulting from confirmed cases of transmission and infection of H5N1 to the number of those confirmed cases. For example, if there are 100 confirmed cases of humans infected with H5N1 and 10 die, then there is a 10% human fatality ratio (or mortality rate). H5N1 flu is a concern due to the global spread of H5N1 that constitutes a pandemic threat. The majority of H5N1 flu cases have been reported in southeast and east Asia. The case-fatality rate is central to pandemic planning. While estimates of case-fatality (CF) rates for past influenza pandemics have ranged from about 0.1% (1957 and 1968 pandemics) to 2.5% (1918 pandemic); the official World Health Organization estimate for the current outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza to date is around 60%. While the real H5N1 CF rate (what it would be if we had perfect knowledge) could be lower (one study suggests that the real H5N1 CF rate is closer to 14–33%); it is unlikely that, if it becomes a pandemic, it will go to the 0.1–0.4% level currently embraced by many pandemic plans.[1]
Treating this as a joke or with a flippant attitude is somewhat like stepping out onto a street without even a glance in either direction. Sure, there's probably no traffic on this street right now.......
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Well....all I know is I keep seeing THIS guy (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/FlaggMovieSheridan-1.jpg)
Problem maybe ?
Oh No!!
Captain Trips!!!
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Just read that Egypt is going to slaughter all their Pigs, an estimated 350,000 of them.
It's already too late for this. The H1N1 virus already is demonstrably transmissible human to human (airborne) Killing a lot of pigs right now is closing the barn door after teh horse ran out.
They might have more of a problem than they are letting on, and the government is in plausible deniability mode.
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Treating this as a joke or with a flippant attitude is somewhat like stepping out onto a street without even a glance in either direction. Sure, there's probably no traffic on this street right now.......
And treating it, in an Internet game forum, "seriously" is going to change what?
I dont drop a load in my pants everytime something in life crops up thats beyond my control.
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And treating it, in an Internet game forum, "seriously" is going to change what?
I dont drop a load in my pants everytime something in life crops up thats beyond my control.
Woo hooooooo
Another smart outlook! :aok
What are you going to do? You get pig death and you die.... bugger. You get pig death and you don't die.... cool.
There's bugger all anyone can do for you right now... just stay away from Mexicans and you'll be right.
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This outlook is problematic.
While I don't disagree with you, the flippant attitude of your response shows exactly how much you know about the topic. The 1918 Spanish Flu started out almost exactly like this... jumped on the scene in 1916/17 as a mild but easily transmittable influenza. It took it about a year to run into an Avian based influenza that had a much higher virility. Once the two exchanged numbers and genetic code, the 1918 virus was born, with around a 2.5% mortality rate.
I don't know that I must point out, there already IS a known virulent influenza virus out there. H5N1. Hanging with around a 60% mortality rate, localised in SE Asia. Should these two strains meet.... One has EXACTLY what the other needs to be really dangerous. H1N1 has mixed genetic markers, with human, pig and avian roots. H5N1 is pretty much Avian. H5N1 is highly virulent (it kills). H1N1 is easily transmittable.
If they find each other.... we could have serious issues.
Treating this as a joke or with a flippant attitude is somewhat like stepping out onto a street without even a glance in either direction. Sure, there's probably no traffic on this street right now.......
My name is BEAR, I live in Northern Mexico. I just sneezed. I am starting to get worried.
Add it up. Man + Bear + Swineflu =
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/untitled-1.jpg)
Now where did I leave my SARS mask?
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Thought the gov. is calling it the H1N1 virus , so the swine's feelings aren't hurt. Kiddn guess they said not to hurt the pork industry.
School's out in Texas now. Spring Break round 2 .. :uhoh
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Nothing can nor will stop me from eating bacon, ever!
:rofl
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This outlook is problematic.
While I don't disagree with you, the flippant attitude of your response shows exactly how much you know about the topic. The 1918 Spanish Flu started out almost exactly like this... jumped on the scene in 1916/17 as a mild but easily transmittable influenza. It took it about a year to run into an Avian based influenza that had a much higher virility. Once the two exchanged numbers and genetic code, the 1918 virus was born, with around a 2.5% mortality rate.
I don't know that I must point out, there already IS a known virulent influenza virus out there. H5N1. Hanging with around a 60% mortality rate, localised in SE Asia. Should these two strains meet.... One has EXACTLY what the other needs to be really dangerous. H1N1 has mixed genetic markers, with human, pig and avian roots. H5N1 is pretty much Avian. H5N1 is highly virulent (it kills). H1N1 is easily transmittable.
If they find each other.... we could have serious issues.
Treating this as a joke or with a flippant attitude is somewhat like stepping out onto a street without even a glance in either direction. Sure, there's probably no traffic on this street right now.......
Your view is the most prudent to take, but if more than 10 US citizens die of this, I'll mail you a $20 bill :aok (the one death in Texas was a 2 year old who recently came up from Mexico)
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Tell me when the schools in Maryland close.
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Your view is the most prudent to take, but if more than 10 US citizens die of this, I'll mail you a $20 bill :aok (the one death in Texas was a 2 year old who recently came up from Mexico)
That's one bill I don't wish to see sir, nor will I wager on that line.
The thing that is getting me.... There isn't a specific cause of death in any of the cases listed. Usually Flu kills by a few different ways, but nothing is listed. Pneumonia is common. MODS as well. Virologists I know are really getting a bit chafed over it. The CDC won't come back with any straight answer.
In any case, whatever happens, it won't happen to the US or rest of the Northern Hemisphere till next season. Temperatures and humidity are getting way too hot for a sustained flu outbreak. The southern hemisphere flu season is just starting, so they'll get the brunt of whatever happens from here. The bad part of that equation is that, should it go haywire in the southern hemisphere, it will be likely that H1N1 will have morphed into a resistant strain due to all the Tamiflu and Relenza that will have been thrown at it there.
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Confirmed case in AZ! Yikes! :noid
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Just got this from the Kansas department Health and Environment
www.kdheks.gov
From the State Health Officer
Six Things Every Kansan Should Know About Swine Flu
Jason Eberhart-Phillips, MD, MPH
Kansas State Health Officer
By now you are probably aware that an outbreak of swine flu has occurred in Mexico, with a few
cases now being reported in the United States. You may be alarmed by what you have heard, or
you may be wondering why public health authorities are so concerned.
Many of you are asking good questions about swine flu. At this early stage in the outbreak, some
questions don’t yet have reliable answers. As each day passes we are learning more, and we are
becoming more certain about the advice we give.
As of today, here is what we know:
1. This is a new virus, never before recognized in the United States or anywhere in the
world. The new virus contains genetic pieces from flu viruses that infect pigs, birds and
humans. It appears able to spread among humans like the familiar human flu viruses that
circulate in our communities every winter. Because this virus is new, we believe that no
one has natural immunity against it. Immunization with the seasonal flu vaccine is not
likely to offer protection.
2. Disease caused by the swine flu virus appears to be mild so far. Among the confirmed
cases in the United States, only one has required hospitalization. All have recovered, or
are now showing signs of recovery. The ability of the virus to cause serious disease may
change over time, or it may infect people who are less able to resist it effectively. There
are reports of deaths associated with swine flu infections in Mexico.
3. The disease is present in Kansas. As of today, we are aware of two cases of swine flu in
our state. One case followed a trip to Mexico. The other resulted from household contact
with the returning traveler. State and local public health staff are currently working hard
to identify additional cases and provide supporting laboratory work to characterize the
extent of the outbreak in Kansas.
OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS
CURTIS STATE OFFICE BUILDING, 1000 SW JACKSON ST., STE. 540, TOPEKA, KS 66612-1368
Voice 785-296-0461 Fax 785-368-6368
4. Swine flu is treatable. While the new virus is resistant to certain anti-viral medications,
at the moment it remains sensitive to others. To be maximally effective in shortening the
length and severity of illness, these medications should be prescribed by a physician early
in the course of infection. As always, rest at home and drinking ample fluids is also
essential for a complete recovery.
5. Swine flu is preventable. While there is no vaccine that specifically protects against the
new virus, everyday steps that prevent the spread of germs are very effective in reducing
the risk of catching this disease. These include washing your hands thoroughly and often
with soap and warm water or alcohol-based hand sanitizers, staying at least six feet away
from people who are coughing and sneezing, and maintaining a healthy lifestyle with a
balanced diet and plenty of rest and exercise. Those who develop flu symptoms must stay
home and avoid contact with other people as much as possible for a period of seven days
from the onset of illness.
6. We can beat this. Your state and local public health professionals, together with Kansas
health care providers, have been preparing and training for the arrival of a new flu virus
in our communities for years. Working with colleagues at the federal Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, we will monitor the activity of this new infectious agent and take
all the necessary steps to curtail its spread. Your role in this is critical: to remain
informed, to consult your health care provider if you become ill, and to follow the advice
you receive on ways to protect your community. We will continue to update the KDHE
web site (www.kdheks.gov) and encourage you to use it as a resource for swine flu
information. Thank you all for your interest and support.
Dr. Eberhart-Phillips is the Kansas State Health Officer and the Director of Division of Health
in the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.
# # #
As the state’s environmental protection and public health agency, KDHE promotes responsible
choices to protect the health and environment for all Kansans.
Through education, direct services and the assessment of data and trends, coupled with policy
development and enforcement, KDHE will improve health and quality of life. We prevent illness,
injuries and foster a safe and sustainable environment for the people of Kansas.
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109cases in the us now CNN news chan
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That's one bill I don't wish to see sir, nor will I wager on that line.
The thing that is getting me.... There isn't a specific cause of death in any of the cases listed. Usually Flu kills by a few different ways, but nothing is listed. Pneumonia is common. MODS as well. Virologists I know are really getting a bit chafed over it. The CDC won't come back with any straight answer.
In any case, whatever happens, it won't happen to the US or rest of the Northern Hemisphere till next season. Temperatures and humidity are getting way too hot for a sustained flu outbreak. The southern hemisphere flu season is just starting, so they'll get the brunt of whatever happens from here. The bad part of that equation is that, should it go haywire in the southern hemisphere, it will be likely that H1N1 will have morphed into a resistant strain due to all the Tamiflu and Relenza that will have been thrown at it there.
If I understand you correctly, we have the drums beating until autumn. Flu-time.
As for the death causes, we just have to wait. What kills you is your own Achilles-heel normally. What is MODS btw?
(lack of English.)
Now, to older plagues. I am old enough to have been truly vaccinated with cowpox. So, I carry Jenner's Scar. On my arm and not my arse BTW. (Moray, you also? They stopped about 1974) Anyway, the vaccine was fresh, so somewhat on the strong side. I got completely sick. Absolutely. High fever, hallucinations and the lot. And that was just the whiff of the real thing.
So, from experience, I do not joke with those things. Actually, I think that those that mock the alarm and bring up the word "alarmist" and yadda yadda basically lack the balls to face what can happen, and not just "can", - these are things that happened many times to mankind, before the jet age. And cowpox was dead with a good effort by 1973 or so. Some "Scientists" apparently got it right.
Hope they will succeed with the swine flu as well. Who wants to die from a SWINE-FLU anyway????!!?!!
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I think we should all stock up on bacon before the prices go up... :mad:
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That's one bill I don't wish to see sir, nor will I wager on that line.
The thing that is getting me.... There isn't a specific cause of death in any of the cases listed. Usually Flu kills by a few different ways, but nothing is listed. Pneumonia is common. MODS as well. Virologists I know are really getting a bit chafed over it. The CDC won't come back with any straight answer.
In any case, whatever happens, it won't happen to the US or rest of the Northern Hemisphere till next season. Temperatures and humidity are getting way too hot for a sustained flu outbreak. The southern hemisphere flu season is just starting, so they'll get the brunt of whatever happens from here. The bad part of that equation is that, should it go haywire in the southern hemisphere, it will be likely that H1N1 will have morphed into a resistant strain due to all the Tamiflu and Relenza that will have been thrown at it there.
Ok $40, but that's IT ;) (I have seen several news sources that state it is NOT an airborne virus---must be body fluid/sneezing droplets, etc)
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Swine influenza A/Mexico/2009 (H1N1) update
by vrr on 1 May 2009
reassortment-swineHere is an update on the global swine flu situation as of 29 April 2009.
There are now 257 laboratory confirmed cases, with 7 deaths, in 11 countries. In the US there are 109 cases in 11 states. There are many more suspected cases; together the statistics indicate widespread dissemination of the new H1N1 influenza virus. I no longer doubt that this is the next pandemic strain. WHO will probably soon raise the level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 5 to phase 6. Important questions include whether spread will continue in the northern hemisphere through the summer, or stop very soon, as is the case with most influenza virus outbreaks. Unfortunately the southern hemisphere seems in for an extended flu season. Will antivirals be useful in reducing morbidity and mortality? Will the virus returns to the north in a more virulent form in the fall? Can a vaccine be prepared in time?
Viral RNA sequences from 12 new isolates were deposited at NCBI, bringing the total to 32. Conspicuously missing are sequences from Mexican isolates. In a Science Magazine interview, Ruben Donis, Chief of the molecular virology and vaccines branch at CDC, indicated that strains from Mexico and elsewhere are “very, very similar. Many genes are identical. In the eight or nine viruses we’ve sequenced, there is nothing different.” It’s still not clear why these sequences have not been released; clearly the work has been done. In any case, his statement confirms what we have suspected from examining other isolates, that the Mexican strains are not sufficiently different to explain their apparent higher pathogenicity.
I highly recommend reading the interview with Dr. Donis, as it contains a wealth of information about the new H1N1 virus. Much of it will be difficult to understand for those without familiarity with influenza virus, but you can send your questions to virology blog. One interesting aspect concerns the statement last week that the new virus was composed of genes from pig, human, and avian sources. Examination of the sequences in the past week has revealed the virus to be composed of RNAs solely from swine viruses. Here is what Dr. Donis said:
Q: Is it of swine origin?
R.D.: Definitely. It’s almost equidistant to swine viruses from the United States and Eurasia. And it’s a lonely branch there. It doesn’t have any close relatives.
Q: So where are avian and human sequences?
R.D.: We have to step back [to] 10 years ago. In 1998, actually, Chris Olsen is one of the first that saw it, and we saw the same in a virus from Nebraska and Richard Webby and Robert Webster in Memphis saw it, too. There were unprecedented outbreaks of influenza in the swine population. It was an H3.
The PB1 gene, that was human. H3 and N2 also were human. The PA and PB2, the two polymerase genes, were of avian flu. The rest were typical North American swine viruses. Those strains were the so-called triple reassortants.
I’ll post an entry this weekend on the history of swine viruses, which should help clarify Dr. Donis’ explanation.
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So if there have now only been 7 deaths, what are the causes of death for those previously reported as swine flu?
And doesn't just regular ole run of the mill flu kill tens of thousands of folks every year? Seems like an awful lot of ruckus for something that has killed a small fraction of what the regular stuff kills.
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So if there have now only been 7 deaths, what are the causes of death for those previously reported as swine flu?
And doesn't just regular ole run of the mill flu kill tens of thousands of folks every year? Seems like an awful lot of ruckus for something that has killed a small fraction of what the regular stuff kills.
That's 7 Laboratory confirmed deaths. We pesky scientists are real picky about things like that. It isn't confirmed until every possibility is absolved. Think about it... just the mere presence of virus and a death, does not make a causal relationship. There are many other things that could have killed the patient. It takes an incredibly long time to find out specific cause of death from this.
The total deaths reported right now (Local Health Depts)... 160 with around 3,000 cases probable. (5.3% mortality from those numbers.) The regular run of the mill flu has a mortality of around .02%. For a measuring stick, the Spanish Flu of 1918 that killed roughly 40-100 million people had a mortality of 5.1%.
It appears that the Mexican cases are leveling off... the "curve" for new infections is static. I think our friends in the southern hemisphere will be the ones getting this first. Our temps and humidity are killing this bug up here... but they are in mid "fall" in the southern hemisphere... their flu season is just starting. That is both good and bad. If this is something to worry about, we have time to figure out a vaccine, they don't. Meaning a lot of people will die, if this bug is for real.
But, in lieu of a vaccine, the health depts. in South America will throw every broad spectrum antibody they have at this one. (Tamiflu, Relenza) This will give the virus a very good immunity to antibodies when our flu season starts in October....
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That's bad.
Mind you though, that even today, the most effective antibiotic I use for my cattle is Penicclincalium. Indeed there is resistance for it in some heards, but after 50 years of use in quite some amounts, it is still at large.
Was never mixed with feed though. And that is not an anti-viral drug....
BTW, am I right that the mortality rates are lower outside Mexico? If so, why?
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Just this AM, they just released a photo of Patient 0...
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/rosie_view11.jpg)
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(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/bsacISdonkey/swine.jpg)
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News flash! It's been another day, and 100 MORE AMericans have died of REGULAR Flu :(
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This little thing made a hell of a noise when it augered into my stormdoor this AM. (http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/IMG_1194.jpg)
Is it signs that the Bird Flu is back?
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/images-3.jpg)
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Seriously tho, just for a minute, but the flu is actually the virus that jumped from a pig to a human and mutated into the human flu, passed on from human to human. So what good would not eating pork do?
Cooking the swine correctly kills all the bugs anyways and the virus you have to worry about is the human one, not the swine one.
Good thing to cause Im a'gonna cook some swine tonight and pig out on it.
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Since looking at this new bug's vital stats....
I'm not nearly concerned as I initially was.
It is a close relative of the H1N1 1918 bug that decimated the population in 1918. However, in its DNA structure it has a stop codon incorporated into the synthesis RNA of a critical virulence protein, PB1-F2 that has been closely studied and shown to be turned "on" in really virulent strains, (ie. H5N1)
This flu could reassort and become a bigger threat, it has already shown an incredibly high level of resistance by showing up OUTSIDE of normal flu season, but I don't think it's a killer at this point. We'll see what it does during the southern hemisphere's new flu season, but it will probably just end up back here as just a yucky Flu next November.
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SWINE FLU II Love will get us thru!
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/girl-pig.jpg)
Opening Fall 2009
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(http://www.danosacm.com/images/swinefluALTERED.JPG)
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:rofl
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Just when you thought it was safe.
I came down with some type of flu. Don't know if it's the Swine or Captain Jack (From the movie "The Stand") Jeeze I'm miserable and I wanted to share that hehehe. Started off with a minor scratchy throat and then blossomed into something amazing.............sorta. Been taking aspirin, theraflu, and any pills I can find.
I have guests coming into town next week and I have sooooo much to do. Today I'm just lying on the couch, the bed, the floor, or leaning against something.
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Wonder how many died of the plain jane flu this year?
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I caught something On Monday, I assume, that rendered me more or less incapacitated for about 48 hours. I woke up Tuesday morning at 3am absolutely dripping sweat. My only solution was to take a cold bath. Wednesday the fever subsided but I couldn't eat, let alone drink water without some pretty intense discomfort/downright pain. Come today I'm fully functional, went to work, did some errands, the whole 9 yards. My throat still doesn't feel great, but at least I can eat and drink now without stopping halfway through a sandwich. I don't do doctors unless I break something on my person I can't fix myself(toes, namely...and minor finger smashups), this little episode almost had me thinking "yeah, maybe you should get this one checked out".
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I sneezed today. How will I manage?
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/3505602584_d389d26464_o.jpg)