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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lye-El on April 26, 2009, 07:04:56 PM
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I stumbled across this site selling real blueprints of aircraft. I thought some of you might find it interesting. If I had the space................
http://www.aviationshoppe.com/catalog/information.php?info_id=2 (http://www.aviationshoppe.com/catalog/information.php?info_id=2)
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Wright Brothers . :aok
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WOW, a large selections. I thought that blueprints of IJ plans are scares.
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These are great . I'm a cad/cam designer and a full on sheetmetal man . i cut my jobs in a waterjet and would love to re create some of these . It would be the project of a lifetime . Very nice find . :salute
Nutte
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These are great . I'm a cad/cam designer and a full on sheetmetal man . i cut my jobs in a waterjet and would love to re create some of these . It would be the project of a lifetime . Very nice find . :salute
Nutte
will you build me a corsair if I buy you the blueprints? ;)
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They have one of the Tony. :uhoh
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will you build me a corsair if I buy you the blueprints? ;)
With blueprints, the Corsair will only come in one color :aok
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$19 for blueprints of my Zero, tempting.
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Awesome find.
May get the "F8F Bearcat", Grandfather flew them, would be nice to have the Blueprints.
:salute
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good thing its the right color
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(http://www.aviationshoppe.com/catalog/images/Lockheed-P-38J-Lightning.jpg)
:aok
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These are great . I'm a cad/cam designer and a full on sheetmetal man . i cut my jobs in a waterjet and would love to re create some of these . It would be the project of a lifetime . Very nice find . :salute
Nutte
I've swiped this link from Timber43's post check it out
http://www.simhardware.org/
Hasn't been updated in a while but some of the skill and attention to detail in the cockpits metal components are amazing all self fabricated must've taken forever.
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1st off Texastc316 I would love to build you a Corsair , even 1 : 1 scale , Would take a little time though LOL but would be exactly correct in every detail . 2nd I would need more detailed plans than are shown to cut and punch out bulk heads and spars , things like that . The sheetmetal is no problem as I have full access to an English Wheel which is a large looking c clamp with dies in it to roll compound curves . 3rd where would we get a motor from ? . And a thousand more details . But I can say this the frame itself would be the first place I'd start . And I would draw it up in Solidworks sheetmetal so I could lay the parts out flat and then form them up .
Now Pervert that link is the bomb it has great info and lots of details . That guy is a genius really and he had thought of things before hand on that project .
But just imagine if you had a cockpit just to sit in and play would be awesome in itself . lots of food for thought here guys .
Nutte :salute
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3rd where would we get a motor from ?
motor: http://www.precisionengines.com/pages/pwEngines.html (http://www.precisionengines.com/pages/pwEngines.html)
It’s been a crazy dream of mine to talk someone into building ww2 aircraft again in large numbers. For me it’s a no-brainer, I think you could sell hundreds and hundreds of the things but then again I’m biased.
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Very nice idea! Was thinking of doing up one of my sons room with decorations that aren't so childish. Nice, nice idea! Thanks for posting!
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There used to be a company that sold far more detailed blue prints of WW2 war birds. The actual blue prints were a bit pricey, but they also sold cheaper white prints. I had a very nice Me109 print when I was in college. I have it stored somewhere in the basement. Perhaps if I have time, I'll try to dig it out and see if I can figure out where I got it and if the company is still around.
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motor: http://www.precisionengines.com/pages/pwEngines.html (http://www.precisionengines.com/pages/pwEngines.html)
It’s been a crazy dream of mine to talk someone into building ww2 aircraft again in large numbers. For me it’s a no-brainer, I think you could sell hundreds and hundreds of the things but then again I’m biased.
If it cost around $100K to build a P-38 in 1945, got any idea what it would cost now? Even single engine fighters cost the government $50K to $75K or so in 1945. I seriously doubt you could sell a dozen, never mind hundreds, figuring the cost would be in excess of $10M each for new planes.
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Captain Hilts .
the one thing that is true is it would cost a small fortune . But imagine with today's materials you could gain lots of speed , more maneuverability , better gallons per hour , and etc . A guy can dream right !
Nutte :salute
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If it cost around $100K to build a P-38 in 1945, got any idea what it would cost now? Even single engine fighters cost the government $50K to $75K or so in 1945. I seriously doubt you could sell a dozen, never mind hundreds, figuring the cost would be in excess of $10M each for new planes.
Do you have any information, how that 100k @ 1945 is calculated?
I wonder how much the cost per plane could be with modern CNC machinery, if we have all necessary tooling and jigs ready to use.
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Your necessary tooling to start up would be around 2 million I'd estimate. I have many machines in my shop but the most expensive is a 1.3 million laser. Granted it is the most powerful of its size in the state of Texas. Still the machinery is costly and that does not include setting up jigs and such.
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I have many machines in my shop but the most expensive is a 1.3 million laser. Granted it is the most powerful of its size in the state of Texas.
What do u used that mechine for?
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What do u used that mechine for?
To heat an oversized Jiffy-Pop pan.
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Apply for bailout money as "job creation"! We can also buy HTC as an advertising expense!
Then, who cares if the business tanks? We all will have neat demonstrator aircraft to fly and our own computer game to play!
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What do u used that mechine for?
We are very diversified. We use it for everything from the petrochemical to heavy equipment. We cut everything from 1 1/2" CS to the thinnest shims. We also deal in every type of metal from carbon steel, aluminum, and stainless to exotics. The laser also has a rotolas. This makes it able to also laser pipe up to 16" diameter, round and square tube and also oval tube.
The other machines include a 250 ton Accurpress, a 3/8" 10 ft Accurshear, and various mills (cnc and manual), Lathes, rolls and such. Just to name a few.
We don't ask for handouts from the people (government) as this company is intelligently run. <S>
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Now Pervert that link is the bomb it has great info and lots of details . That guy is a genius really and he had thought of things before hand on that project .
But just imagine if you had a cockpit just to sit in and play would be awesome in itself . lots of food for thought here guys .
Nutte :salute
While I wouldn't entertain the idea of a 'sim pit' I really would love a go in this thing if he completed it he has everything in there and from what I read, the instruments are all to work as well as a force feedback for the stick etc and we aren't talking a few rumbles to simulate the stick forces of a real spitfire it says up to 400lbs at times! :t God knows how powerful the motors would have to be to power that thing he'd probably need 4 :rolleyes: The working gunsight is also very impressive it would be the next best thing to flying one for real :rock
Maybe Hitech can buy it off him for the office toy :devil :lol
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If it cost around $100K to build a P-38 in 1945, got any idea what it would cost now? Even single engine fighters cost the government $50K to $75K or so in 1945. I seriously doubt you could sell a dozen, never mind hundreds, figuring the cost would be in excess of $10M each for new planes.
How much would they have cost to build in 1945 if you didn't include the components that make them 'fighter aircraft'. (no guns, sstanks, armor, sights, etc..) All we are really talking about is a high performance recreational aircraft. look around the internet at what people are spending money on. Hell you can purchase an L-39 for 200-600k... the Turbine Legend, price? but i bet it's expensive!
(http://www.innovativewings.com/images/JohnCooktl.gif)
You would also think that with today's technology it would be a lot easier to manufacture these aircraft. I can see the start up price being high but modify the cockpit layout to make them comfortable/current and you have a winner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Xd8xbd6A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Xd8xbd6A&feature=related) sign me up coach!!!
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We are very diversified. We use it for everything from the petrochemical to heavy equipment. We cut everything from 1 1/2" CS to the thinnest shims. We also deal in every type of metal from carbon steel, aluminum, and stainless to exotics. The laser also has a rotolas. This makes it able to also laser pipe up to 16" diameter, round and square tube and also oval tube.
The other machines include a 250 ton Accurpress, a 3/8" 10 ft Accurshear, and various mills (cnc and manual), Lathes, rolls and such. Just to name a few.
We don't ask for handouts from the people (government) as this company is intelligently run. <S>
It would be terrible if you're our amazinhunk cousin.
*edit* That's the profanity filter, rather than me being dotingly nice.
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You would also think that with today's technology it would be a lot easier to manufacture these aircraft. I can see the start up price being high but modify the cockpit layout to make them comfortable/current and you have a winner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Xd8xbd6A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Xd8xbd6A&feature=related) sign me up coach!!!
I think, you just sum up it.
Sometimes it feels like the people are mystifying the WW2 plane build-up process.
We are not remaking the Excalibur here with Lady In the Lake. It's just a airplane without all those ww2 time military gadgets.
The modern days metal sheet material quality and modern CNC machines it would make a actual assembly phase to be a next to heaven... Easier, Faster & Accurate.
BTW
How about the legal side? Lets assume, I have a COMPLETE set of the manufacturing drawings of the F4U-4, excluding the guns, ord system & radios etc.
So, can I start the manufacturing with B-I-G$$$ tag on it?
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I heard about the Flug Werk 190s but I didnt know they were making 51s too!!
http://www.flugwerk.de/page.php?GID=20&SID=5 (http://www.flugwerk.de/page.php?GID=20&SID=5)
We do target the individual who is looking for a payable way to get flying in his own classic US-warbird. The idea behind the project is very similar to our preceding Fw 190 project, which is now drawing to a close after 20 aircraft and kits have been built and delivered worldwide.