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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: shreck on April 29, 2009, 01:18:08 PM
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I must say, the more I use it the more fun it is becoming. It can be quite an amazing performer. The only down side I see is every hordling goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of there way to try and pik it, to the extent of flying thru multiple possible tagets just to try and HO or pik that barn door your flying!! Always good for some laughs :aok
Anyway I was getting quite bored with the game, now the fun has returned just a bit :salute
Oh! any of you hard core 38 pilots use independent throttle control, and if so does it help much ?
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Good stuff and coincidence. I flew a couple of sorties in a 38 last night... fun stuff but I got slaughtered. Bish were coming in high and had a significant numbers advantage in the area. Plus, I have very little experience in a 38.... I suck. Fun though. :aok
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I don't use independent throttle control too often, mostly for fuel management. I know people who have dual throttles and they say it gets you into more trouble than it gets you out of. They use it primarily for spin recovery. Snap roll, learn to love it :).
Although, I'm far from being a knowledgeable source. I'd wait till Del, Ack-Ack, or Shuffler posted to get the good information.
And as a side note, good to see people getting the 38 up and enjoying them!
-Zap
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I useindependent throttle control and quite honestly it can be more of a hinderance at times. It only really helps out at the top of hammerheads IMO. Not something you should go out of your way and purchase just for the 38.
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I tried to set up independent throttle control on my AV8R. Couldent get it to work. Select engine 1 both engines ran off of throttle 1, select engine 2, both ran off of the other throttle. Select both, both ran off of throttle 1 again. :rolleyes:
Any ideas?
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I tried to set up independent throttle control on my AV8R. Couldent get it to work. Select engine 1 both engines ran off of throttle 1, select engine 2, both ran off of the other throttle. Select both, both ran off of throttle 1 again. :rolleyes:
Any ideas?
You have to map each engines to a seperate throttle controller.
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I tried to set up independent throttle control on my AV8R. Couldent get it to work. Select engine 1 both engines ran off of throttle 1, select engine 2, both ran off of the other throttle. Select both, both ran off of throttle 1 again. :rolleyes:
Any ideas?
Weird...when I flew AH on my laptop with an AV8R it was fine for me with dual throttles.
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I mapped the engines to the throttles. I will try it again tonight, mebbe i will figure it out. :huh
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:lol ... The fact everyone and their mother dive in on you for an easy kill is what makes it a blast. Once you get your overshoots down you wont want to leave it.
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While it sounds like it would make a huge difference, in actual use it makes little difference in a fight.
Del noted that you can make a fast flip move for use when a high speed con comes in from your 6 and, as buster said, dual throttles help marginally on a hammerhead. That is about it as far as improvement.
Now consider your in an intense fight. With a dual throttle your just adding that much more you have to keep your mind on.... instead of on that con your dancing with.
While dual throttle is a nice novelty, it adds little in the form of usefulness and a considerable load on concentration. I fly with a single throttle and usually have CT on. The only time I may disengage CT is chasing a fast con to get every ounce of speed from my bird.
As for high cons eating you alive...... once you get your ride figured out you'll prefer cons being higher than you. It makes for some fun fights.
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I built my dual throttle by gutting 2 Prothrottles and placing the guts inside a SDS Suncom dual throttle.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237834.0.html
I don't use the dual throttles most of the time, as B4 said, it can be more of a hindrance. Dual throttles are good for;
1. Throttling down one engine to compensate for a missing wing, you can fly straight and level with this.
2. Great hammerheads, you can really squeeze every last bit of energy out of the plane and can reverse very quickly.
3. Immersion (AKAK quote).
4. Spin recovery.
5. Making great donuts on the runway.
6. Out of plane, last ditch efforts (cut one engine and roll it hard).
Fly the 38 for a month or so, it will make flying the Ki84 a bit easier. Akin to swinging two bats on the way to the plate.
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P-38 is an Awesome Fighter. I know a few tips n tricks i don't want other people to learn, so if you want I can PM you my Thoughts on the p-38 and what It can and Can not do. BTW it can't only be used as a fighter. As dr7 knows :noid
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I must say, the more I use it the more fun it is becoming. It can be quite an amazing performer. The only down side I see is every hordling goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of there way to try and pik it, to the extent of flying thru multiple possible tagets just to try and HO or pik that barn door your flying!! Always good for some laughs :aok
Anyway I was getting quite bored with the game, now the fun has returned just a bit :salute
Oh! any of you hard core 38 pilots use independent throttle control, and if so does it help much ?
Remember shreck, you were in a P38G and the baduns knew I was in the area. P38G means easy kill cause Corky is around. Folks naturally go for the low 38G first because of this :)
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P-38 is an Awesome Fighter. I know a few tips n tricks i don't want other people to learn, so if you want I can PM you my Thoughts on the p-38 and what It can and Can not do. BTW it can't only be used as a fighter. As dr7 knows :noid
Why would someone ask you for help when they can easily approach one of us dedicated P-38 flyers with far more experience for help, especially when we are not reluctant to share what we know?
ack-ack
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I mapped the engines to the throttles. I will try it again tonight, mebbe i will figure it out. :huh
Try setting up RPM instead of the manifold, I had them set but on my rudder peddle at one time instead of the breaks. I didn't see where it would help much but I might just not known how and where to use it.
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I don't use a throttle, just + and -. :D
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The only time I use independant throttle is to recover from a spin. I manually choose the engine I want to kill, say 2 cntrl 2, recover, control E to switch back to both.
Gald your having fun in the 38, I love it.
I really do not see the 38 as a big of a magnet as it's portrayed. Maybe newer guys think it's an easy kill, however those in the know tread softly.
Good Luck to you
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I'm always wary of a 38 in the area.
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:lol ... The fact everyone and their mother dive in on you for an easy kill is what makes it a blast. Once you get your overshoots down you wont want to leave it.
As for high cons eating you alive...... once you get your ride figured out you'll prefer cons being higher than you. It makes for some fun fights.
shreck, if you take anything out of this thread it should be what these guys said. Once you can make someone miss (which I'm sure you're good at making people overshoot allready) You can take anything on, no matter what/how high it is.
Why would someone ask you for help when they can easily approach one of us dedicated P-38 flyers with far more experience for help, especially when we are not reluctant to share what we know?
ack-ack
And I agree with this...No offense to you Barko; it's just your style, but people seem to be too dedicated to a certain side and aren't willing to help out the "enemy". The way I see it is - the more people learn, the better and better the fights get...what this game is all about.
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The more you know!
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.squelch mensa
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Somehow I have the feeling that Bark0 doesn't actually knows much compared to ack-ack :devil
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I must say, the more I use it the more fun it is becoming. It can be quite an amazing performer. The only down side I see is every hordling goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of there way to try and pik it, to the extent of flying thru multiple possible tagets just to try and HO or pik that barn door your flying!! Always good for some laughs :aok
Anyway I was getting quite bored with the game, now the fun has returned just a bit :salute
Oh! any of you hard core 38 pilots use independent throttle control, and if so does it help much ?
Other people have already said this, but I'll restate it for emphasis.
Independent throttle is not really worth the hassle while you're in the fight. Once you're out of the fight, though, whether it's due to damage or lack of targets, it can be a great help. It can help you manage fuel, manuever on the runway, etc.
When it becomes really advantageous to have, as Del already said, is when you lose a wing to damage. If you completely throttle back the engine opposite of the wing you lost (if you lose the right wing, cut the left engine), it can help you get home. It won't work every time, but it works often enough to be worth the trouble of having it mapped. You should also be dropping flaps and giving opposite rudder when you lose a wing.
Have fun flying with a giant "shoot me" sign as your icon!
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Somehow I have the feeling that Bark0 doesn't actually knows much compared to ack-ack :devil
He's very good at HOin, its one of his best tricks :D Barko, not Ack-Ack
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P38's are dangerous if flown properly, when i fight them i use extreme caution in case the pilot knows what he is doing
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No p38 pilot knows what they are doing...
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No p38 pilot knows what they are doing...
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No truer statement has ever been made. That being said, the 38 drivers continue to have fun not knowing what they are doing! :D
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Every time I get in a 38, its like a magnet and its kind of hard to see if you like something when your constantly out numbered or it seems that way, "Look there's Cajunn in a 38 lets get him first". So I use it in the attack role only and I drop my ords and get shot down by the Wirby, and so on. And after the kills I have seen Shreck get in it for the last couple of nights, I don't think he needs any pointers :D.
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Away from the fight you have plenty of time to press shift+1 or 2 and adjust individual rpms for damage control. Spins on the other hand are few and far between but you might have time to shift+1 or 2 or you might not.
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P-38 is an Awesome Fighter. I know a few tips n tricks i don't want other people to learn, so if you want I can PM you my Thoughts on the p-38 and what It can and Can not do. BTW it can't only be used as a fighter. As dr7 knows :noid
Psssst... Anyone who PM's Bark0, PM me all of his secretZ :noid
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I want to know it all! :noid
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I want to know it all! :noid
Follow AkAk around. You'll learn
:noid
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akak doesn't fly anymore.
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No truer statement has ever been made. That being said, the 38 drivers continue to have fun not knowing what they are doing! :D
ME<--PRoud member of the "Not Knowing what you're doing!" club. :lol
Glad to see you had fun in the 38G Shreck :aok
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I can say I never really gave the 38 a chance. It always seemed a plane of extremes, either it is easy money OR you come upon one that is flown very well and you get your teeth kicked in " NO middle ground for this plane " Once you get a feel for the gunnery, the baddies don't get a second breath too often. I still think it to be better than the ki84 especially when the fight is transitioning from higher to lower speeds. Untill you get down to slow enough speed for the ki to use flaps, the ki84 is in allot of trouble and must be pretty good at jinking and avoiding a couple snap shots, once the ki can get its flaps out, the fat lady is warming up :aok Oh and rolling scissors in the 38 is a smooooooooooooooth dream with allot of control, even down to very low speeds. The 38 has sparked my interest quite a bit <S>
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At Least I PLAY the Game Ack-Ack :)
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At Least I PLAY the Game Ack-Ack :)
Lol...wow.
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ruh roh this one took a turn for the worst
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At Least I PLAY the Game Ack-Ack :)
When you have as many hours as me flying the P-38 in AH then you can come and talk to me about your experience in flying it and maybe I'll pay attention to whatever tips you may have. I would also tend to take you more seriously if you managed to get more kills than deaths in the P-38.
ack-ack
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When you have as many hours as me flying the P-38 in AH then you can come and talk to me about your experience in flying it and maybe I'll pay attention to whatever tips you may have. I would also tend to take you more seriously if you managed to get more kills than deaths in the P-38.
ack-ack
Now watch, he's going to come out with the "I don't play for score, I don't care about my K/D"
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I can say I never really gave the 38 a chance. It always seemed a plane of extremes, either it is easy money OR you come upon one that is flown very well and you get your teeth kicked in " NO middle ground for this plane " Once you get a feel for the gunnery, the baddies don't get a second breath too often. I still think it to be better than the ki84 especially when the fight is transitioning from higher to lower speeds. Untill you get down to slow enough speed for the ki to use flaps, the ki84 is in allot of trouble and must be pretty good at jinking and avoiding a couple snap shots, once the ki can get its flaps out, the fat lady is warming up :aok Oh and rolling scissors in the 38 is a smooooooooooooooth dream with allot of control, even down to very low speeds. The 38 has sparked my interest quite a bit <S>
The beauty of the 38G is it's too slow to run away, so once you are in the fight, you have to stay and you learn in a hurry what it does well and what it doesn't. As Lazer and others mentioned, you then start trolling below the crowd trying to get em to come down, reverse em and have at it.
The danger of this way as you saw the other night is if they only come in packs of 5-6 at a time, it can be over in a hurry, but for those times where you get em to play one or two at a time it can be well worth the effort :)
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After I was half through my second tour I decided to learn the 38. Haven't looked back since. The plane is so much fun to fly!
You can get so much out of the plane on the merge. Low speed fighting is a dream once you kinda get the feel for using the counter rotating propellers. Very satisfying to fly a flat scissors at 90mph, a high aoa, and watch your torque challenged friend stall out or shoot in front of you! :cool:
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You Want tips? Ok! Since Ack-Ack is saying he's better than me (Which I don't realy care Spikes wins a cookie for being correct) here is some things on being a good dive bomber in a P-38.
http://I Have Been Complemented alot Lately on My Dive Bombing Accuracy. rock In Fact today I took Out 2 Panzers and A VH all in Just 2 bombs.... Not even half a second Apart. WHOA!
So What's The Secret?
How Is this Possible?
That Gentlemen Is What this Post Is About.
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PLANE
I prefer to Use the P-38-J...Our Squad Plane.
ORDNANCE : 2 1000 Pound Bombs. Why that much? 1 of these can take out a tiger or 2 can take out a VH
Rockets Are optional.
I Choose to use the 38 for Multiple reasons.
* Squad Plane
* 2 Engines (In Case One Dies I Have another one to go on)
* Awesome Climbing Capability
* Bombs Drop Accurately (I Will Get to this later)
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GUNSIGHT
My #1 Choice for A Dive Bombing gunsight is this:
It's Called the P-38 Gunstar. The Square down below the Sight is For Dive Bombing. The Crosses in the Corners are for Rockets and the Sight in the Middle is for your guns. This Is a great gunsight to use But I only reccomend Putting it on One P-38...The sight is Too Squished in for me to see planes in it...But Whatever you prefer.
(NOTE: You may have to Re-size the Sight for it to show in-game.)
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TO DIVE BOMB.
1)Hover around a Base and Look for a tank.
2)When Tank is spotted fly over him about 1.5 K until you are Above him.
3)Go Vertical.
4)Dive down on him at a 90 Degree angle. (NOTE depending on your angle use the Main Middle Sight For Aiming if you are 90 Degrees or The Bomb Sight if you are 80 or 60 or 45...etc)
5)Drop Bomb When He is in your Sight (Check above ^^^)
6)Pull up Sharply
7)Wait for 2 Explosions. 1 for the Bomb hitting the Ground and 2 for the Tank Exploding. Thumbs UP!
Watch Out For flacks too. Don't dive bomb a field if there are 3 flacks on the Pad or more. Only bomb when Flacks are on the field IF they are all gathered in the VH. Big Grin
Any Questions? Feel Free to post them.
salute
Barko Edwards
There. Happy?
:)
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You Want tips? Ok! Since Ack-Ack is saying he's better than me (Which I don't realy care Spikes wins a cookie for being correct) here is some things on being a good dive bomber in a P-38.
(http://I Have Been Complemented alot Lately on My Dive Bombing Accuracy. rock In Fact today I took Out 2 Panzers and A VH all in Just 2 bombs.... Not even half a second Apart. WHOA!So What's The Secret?How Is this Possible?That Gentlemen Is What this Post Is About._________________________________________________ ______________________________________________PLANEI prefer to Use the P-38-J...Our Squad Plane.ORDNANCE : 2 1000 Pound Bombs. Why that much? 1 of these can take out a tiger or 2 can take out a VHRockets Are optional.I Choose to use the 38 for Multiple reasons. * Squad Plane * 2 Engines (In Case One Dies I Have another one to go on) * Awesome Climbing Capability * Bombs Drop Accurately (I Will Get to this later)_________________________________________________ __________________________________________GUNSIGHTMy #1 Choice for A Dive Bombing gunsight is this:It's Called the P-38 Gunstar. The Square down below the Sight is For Dive Bombing. The Crosses in the Corners are for Rockets and the Sight in the Middle is for your guns. This Is a great gunsight to use But I only reccomend Putting it on One P-38...The sight is Too Squished in for me to see planes in it...But Whatever you prefer.(NOTE: You may have to Re-size the Sight for it to show in-game.)_________________________________________________ ___________________________________________TO DIVE BOMB.1)Hover around a Base and Look for a tank.2)When Tank is spotted fly over him about 1.5 K until you are Above him.3)Go Vertical.4)Dive down on him at a 90 Degree angle. (NOTE depending on your angle use the Main Middle Sight For Aiming if you are 90 Degrees or The Bomb Sight if you are 80 or 60 or 45...etc)5)Drop Bomb When He is in your Sight (Check above ^^^)6)Pull up Sharply7)Wait for 2 Explosions. 1 for the Bomb hitting the Ground and 2 for the Tank Exploding. Thumbs UP!Watch Out For flacks too. Don't dive bomb a field if there are 3 flacks on the Pad or more. Only bomb when Flacks are on the field IF they are all gathered in the VH. Big GrinAny Questions? Feel Free to post them. saluteBarko Edwards)
There. Happy?
:)
Thanks...dive in, drop bomb, pull up, man I would have never thought of that. This may even work in other planes also, man your good! :rolleyes:
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even lancs?
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You can carry bombs in a 38? I learn something new every day. All these years flying cartoon 38s and I find out a new trick. How do they help in air combat? :)
Bark0, if that's what you are using the 38 for, you are missing out on all kinds of fun in the name of moving mud.
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You Want tips? Ok! Since Ack-Ack is saying he's better than me (Which I don't realy care Spikes wins a cookie for being correct) here is some things on being a good dive bomber in a P-38.
I Have Been Complemented alot Lately on My Dive Bombing Accuracy. rock In Fact today I took Out 2 Panzers and A VH all in Just 2 bombs.... Not even half a second Apart. WHOA!
So What's The Secret?
How Is this Possible?
The only way you could have taken out two panzer tanks and a VH with only 2,000 worth of bombs is if the hanger was already soft and the tanks were sitting in the hanger. Luck? Yes. Skill? No.
ack-ack
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You Want tips? Ok! Since Ack-Ack is saying he's better than me (Which I don't realy care Spikes wins a cookie for being correct) here is some things on being a good dive bomber in a P-38.
http://I Have Been Complemented alot Lately on My Dive Bombing Accuracy. rock In Fact today I took Out 2 Panzers and A VH all in Just 2 bombs.... Not even half a second Apart. WHOA!
So What's The Secret?
How Is this Possible?
That Gentlemen Is What this Post Is About.
_____________________________ ____________________ _____________________________ _________________
PLANE
I prefer to Use the P-38-J...Our Squad Plane.
ORDNANCE : 2 1000 Pound Bombs. Why that much? 1 of these can take out a tiger or 2 can take out a VH
Rockets Are optional.
I Choose to use the 38 for Multiple reasons.
* Squad Plane
* 2 Engines (In Case One Dies I Have another one to go on)
* Awesome Climbing Capability
* Bombs Drop Accurately (I Will Get to this later)
_____________________________ ____________________ _____________________________ _____________
GUNSIGHT
My #1 Choice for A Dive Bombing gunsight is this:
It's Called the P-38 Gunstar. The Square down below the Sight is For Dive Bombing. The Crosses in the Corners are for Rockets and the Sight in the Middle is for your guns. This Is a great gunsight to use But I only reccomend Putting it on One P-38...The sight is Too Squished in for me to see planes in it...But Whatever you prefer.
(NOTE: You may have to Re-size the Sight for it to show in-game.)
_____________________________ ____________________ _____________________________ ______________
TO DIVE BOMB.
1)Hover around a Base and Look for a tank.
2)When Tank is spotted fly over him about 1.5 K until you are Above him.
3)Go Vertical.
4)Dive down on him at a 90 Degree angle. (NOTE depending on your angle use the Main Middle Sight For Aiming if you are 90 Degrees or The Bomb Sight if you are 80 or 60 or 45...etc)
5)Drop Bomb When He is in your Sight (Check above ^^^)
6)Pull up Sharply
7)Wait for 2 Explosions. 1 for the Bomb hitting the Ground and 2 for the Tank Exploding. Thumbs UP!
Watch Out For flacks too. Don't dive bomb a field if there are 3 flacks on the Pad or more. Only bomb when Flacks are on the field IF they are all gathered in the VH. Big Grin
Any Questions? Feel Free to post them.
salute
Barko Edwards
There. Happy?
:)
:huh :huh
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I enjoy flying in Guppy's 38 mishuns. We attack a base behind the enemies front line bases. We always load torpedoes to drop on the town. Works every time.
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It does take skill to bomb Accurately. B-24's in France during the early part of the war were lucky if their bombs fell within 2 miles of their target. Sometimes I miss too but hey, Whats AHII with getting all your shots on target every time?
Skill is an Opinion to everyone. Sometimes killing 2 planes in the air in 3 seconds is skill, to others it's luck. Sometimes Saving a P-38 in a compression is skill, Sometimes it's luck. I think it was lucky that I killed the hanger and 2 Panzers, but that's also skill IMO.
As for the fighting part, Don't just assume i use the P-38 for Dive bombing, I am a pretty good stick wile fighting in it too. I almost beat Strokes and Spektor in a dogfight, both of them were SAPP members. I'm not. (Yet) that was just a guide form my old squad fourms (that they stickied) because they wanted to know how to do it Accurately. We went to TT a lot in the squad, so it was useful to them and hopefully to those who wish to be better at it.
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Ahhh, finally. Now some of you are seeing the side of Barko that I first saw weeks ago, not the shiney faced kid doing stuff in DC that he showed in the O' Club. We were having the normal discusion, btw he hates spits and spitdrivers, so I was explaining some of the history behind the spits and why I fly them, his statement to me was he didn't need an history lesson so I dropped that part and asked why everyone shouldn't be allowed to fly what they like. By this time he had already shut up shop and wasn't willing to debate any further, quite an arrogant young kid really.
As for AKAK, Corky or Lazer and all of SAP really they could teach him how to really fly this plane but he is another one of those kids that think they know it all.
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I lol'd.
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No p38 pilot knows what they are doing...
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Obviously... and hell, some aren't even bright enough to know they could buy a joystick instead of flying with a silly mouse.
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I just don't like to Argue, that's all. Arguments lead to nowhere and I already have arguments at school and home, I don't need anymore, Especially from an Online game.
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I just don't like to Argue, that's all. Arguments lead to nowhere and I already have arguments at school and home, I don't need anymore, Especially from an Online game.
Yeah, and from some sissy brit too! :devil
GO BARKO!
Master of the light bomber!
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I just don't like to Argue, that's all. Arguments lead to nowhere
Surrender and all will be well!
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Do you seriously need a specific gun sight to dive bomb accurately? :lol
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Does a sailor sail without a ship?
DO NOT INSULT THE BARKO; Master of the light bomber!
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I really do not see the 38 as a big of a magnet as it's portrayed. Maybe newer guys think it's an easy kill, however those in the know tread softly.
I agree with you completely. I feel the forky is a huge magnet and I start salivating the moment I see one in the area. I drop everything I'm doing and immedaitely head for it. Man never made a bigger more perfect target than ole folked tail. Lotsa big parts to see falling off! No treading softly here. I'm trampling everything thing in the way getting at him. Talk a bout a bull in a china shop. Whooohooo! I just luv em!!! :D
Ren
Opps...was this about how good they are? Sorry..... :devil
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:)
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I agree with you completely. I feel the forky is a huge magnet and I start salivating the moment I see one in the area. I drop everything I'm doing and immedaitely head for it. Man never made a bigger more perfect target than ole folked tail. Lotsa big parts to see falling off! No treading softly here. I'm trampling everything thing in the way getting at him. Talk a bout a bull in a china shop. Whooohooo! I just luv em!!! :D
Ren
Opps...was this about how good they are? Sorry..... :devil
That's my 38 you are talking about with the parts falling off. I feel the same about K4s :)
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MMMMMmmmmm k4s.... my 38 loves them.
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Does this mean we have a consensus that we luv all da planes? I'm mean I REALLY luv forkys and K4's for that matter.
Yummmmmmmmy!
:salute
Ren :)