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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Fianna on May 06, 2009, 08:26:30 PM
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Is it ever going to happen? I remember seeing shots of the terrain a while ago, and it was gorgeous.
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Fencer actually posted a rough-draft form of this scenario, but I don't remember where he put it.
It did look like a fun one, though, and I, for one, would love to fly an F4F in it. :rock
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There were plans to run it in the recent past, but there were some terrain bugs that needed to get ironed out. It will definitely happen at some point. Not sure when, but I'd guess within the next year.
With the new AH terrain engine, maps are going to have to get checked and possibly reworked a little.
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Fencer actually posted a rough-draft form of this scenario, but I don't remember where he put it.
It did look like a fun one, though, and I, for one, would love to fly an F4F in it. :rock
Pats pocket. Yep got it right here. Wait thats not Midway! :devil
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Every time FSO runs midway it's always the same. Every CV gets blown to hell every frame. Zekes end up vulching Midway for hours, nobody has anywhere safe to land, and most of the bomber packages spend an hour circling AROUND any possible enemy, only to find there's 30 of them orbiting their own CVs and get slaughtered as they dive bomb the ships futilely.
Okay, that's a bit pessimistic. I'm just saying that Midway isn't really all that fun, as far as scenario ideas go.
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Coral Sea was a blast, but I have no idea how it compares in rules to Midway FSO's. Krusty, did you fly in Coral Sea, and if so, did you see any important differences between that and the Midways?
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One of the BEST features of Coral Sea was the fact we needed dedicated Task Force commanders which (with the wind settings) had to turn into the wind to launch and receive planes. The task forces were never locked into a location for Coral Sea. We had a basic idea of the general area and direction the enemy needed to head and we had to find them. Between each frame, the CV performed "night action" and moved to new locations X grids from where they were at end frame the previous week. The scenario is about FINDING the CVs and attacking, not pig piling a grid (ie. in the FSO), doing a sweep of it, finding the CV and sending everything to the bottom. Requiring a percentage of torpedo planes, dive bombers and ONLY escort fighters helps too, IMHO.
I flew the Midway FSO and I have to agree with Krusty, it pretty much blew. CVs were locked into a grid and pretty much pig piled by heavy zekes and vals. I don't think anyone was ever mandated to use torpedoes which is half of the fun of a CV event. If I remember correctly, the last FSO Midway frame about 50+ Vals were sent to Midway island after all allied CVs were dropped. I don't agree with Krusty that a Midway SCENARIO would not be fun... I definitely wouldn't do it on a Friday night though.
I'd definitely like to see how a Midway scenario would play :aok
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I'd like to see a Midway Scenario - that said, for some odd reason, I'd love to see a Truk Lagoon one too.
(Sorry for the hijack)
Truk Lagoon was meant to be the Pearl Harbour of the Japanese navy, with multiple bases on multiple islands. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with something, which I'll push across to Brooke etc
Wurzel
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Midway does have the ability to run a lengthy sea battle since the ship hardness can be adjusted.
I ran a sunday night scramble last month that was a fleet battle, and it sent ships back and forth across the sector 3 times in 90 minutes, the event had the fleets in gun range of each other for about 10 minutes of side by side pounding, then the planes would launch and do air to air and air to sea attacks, then the fleets would broadside again.
We only lost a couple of ships during that event, and it was a constant bombardment.
These things can be solved.
These settings are the ones that were supposed to work with Operation Downfall but didn't, now they do work perfectly.
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Coral Sea was before my enrollment into FSOs.
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One of the BEST features of Coral Sea was the fact we needed dedicated Task Force commanders which (with the wind settings) had to turn into the wind to launch and receive planes. The task forces were never locked into a location for Coral Sea. We had a basic idea of the general area and direction the enemy needed to head and we had to find them. Between each frame, the CV performed "night action" and moved to new locations X grids from where they were at end frame the previous week. The scenario is about FINDING the CVs and attacking, not pig piling a grid (ie. in the FSO), doing a sweep of it, finding the CV and sending everything to the bottom. Requiring a percentage of torpedo planes, dive bombers and ONLY escort fighters helps too, IMHO.
I flew the Midway FSO and I have to agree with Krusty, it pretty much blew. CVs were locked into a grid and pretty much pig piled by heavy zekes and vals. I don't think anyone was ever mandated to use torpedoes which is half of the fun of a CV event. If I remember correctly, the last FSO Midway frame about 50+ Vals were sent to Midway island after all allied CVs were dropped. I don't agree with Krusty that a Midway SCENARIO would not be fun... I definitely wouldn't do it on a Friday night though.
I'd definitely like to see how a Midway scenario would play :aok
I remember our Allied CV was the only one left after our group was the only group assigned to protect it. We did and we had a lot of fun.
What was not fun was flying SBDs with no escorts and other squadrons of SBDs ditching their ord to dogfight zeros hopelessly. :)
Overall, I thought the midway FSO was fun.
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:confused: You are such a tease...
:pray
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When I did the Midway FSO, it was pretty harsh for me. I lost half a wing in my SBD Diving on a Jap CV and flew within 5 miles of midway before some Itchy Zekes Flew in and Got me. I was almost ready to land too. If thats going to happen in the Scenario than no thank you.
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When I did the Midway FSO, it was pretty harsh for me. I lost half a wing in my SBD Diving on a Jap CV and flew within 5 miles of midway before some Itchy Zekes Flew in and Got me. I was almost ready to land too. If thats going to happen in the Scenario than no thank you.
Ok. We'll turn off the CV ack when you're starting your bomb run, and add a rule that you'll lose 50 points if someone on your side shoots Bark0. :rolleyes:
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Well, too bad its not going to be Midway. :cry
Coral Sea DOES look like fun though. :noid
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Well, too bad its not going to be Midway. :cry
Coral Sea DOES look like fun though. :noid
Fairly decent overview of the Coral Sea Battle including the number of planes launched and recovered from both sides....
When I heard it might be Coral Sea I started studying about the battle...this is a good starting point for anyone who is interested in learning more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea
1Way
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Here is more overview on Allied aircraft of the 5th Air forces used in and around the Battle of Coral Sea which officially lasted from May 4 to May 8 1942...
United States 5th Air Force activity log for all of May 1942
Saturday, 2 May, 1942
8th Photographic Squadron, 5th Air Force (attached to Allied Air Forces), transfers from Brisbane to Townsville, Australia with F-4's; first mission was 16 April.
Monday, 4 May, 1942
B-26's bomb Vunakanau Airfield at Rabaul, New Britain Island. P-39's and B-17's hit the airfield at Lae, New Guinea. HQ 27th Bombardment Group (Light) and 16th, 17th and 91st Bombardment Squadrons (Light) transfer without personnel and equipment from Batchelor Field and Charters Towers, Australia to Hunter Field, Savannah, Georgia. The units will be remanned and equipped and fight in the Mediterranean.
Thursday, 5 May, 1942
28th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 19th Bombardment Group (Heavy), transfers from Cloncurry to Longreach, Australia with B-17's; a detachment is operating from Perth, Australia.
Wednesday, 6 May, 1942
B-17's unsuccessfully attack shipping in the Bougainville Island, Solomon Islands area. Corregidor Island in Manila Bay, Philippine Islands surrenders. All US organized resistance to the Japanese in the Philippines ends. The air and ground echelons of the following AAF units are killed or captured; the units are carried as active units without personnel until 2 Apr 46: 24th Pursuit Group (Interceptor); 2d Observation Squadron (Medium); 3d, 17th, 20th, 21st and 34th Pursuit Squadrons (Interceptor); 14th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy); Most of the ground echelon of the following units were killed or captured: V Bomber Command; 5th Interceptor Command (Provisional) ; 19th Bombardment Group (Heavy) ;27th Bombardment Group (Light); 16th, 17th and 91st Bombardment Squadrons (Light); 28th, 30th and 93d Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy).
Thursday, 7 May, 1942
Battle of the Coral Sea, which began on 4 May, approaches its climax as Allied naval forces intercept Japanese naval forces near Misima Island, New Guinea. US Navy (USN) dive bombers sink the aircraft carrier Shoho. Allied forces lose the destroyer USS SIMS (DD-409). Allied Air Force bombers join the battle but their effect is limited; several bombers attack Allied vessels by mistake.
Friday, 8 May, 1942
Main action of Battle of the Coral Sea occurs as Allied and Japanese carrier forces clash. Allied bombers join USN aircraft in attacking the enemy's main support force which has around the S of San Cristobal Island, Solomon Islands. The aircraft carrier Shokaku is severely damaged by aircraft from the carriers USS Lexington (CV-2) and USS Yorktown (CV-5). USS Lexington is damaged so severely that it later is sunk by USN fire. USS Yorktown also suffers damage from aircraft. Both sides lose heavily in aircraft, US losses totalling 66 and the Japanese considerably more. The Allies turn back the sea assault against Port Moresby, a key base in New Guinea and of great importance to the security of Australia. The battle is the first major naval engagement in history in which the opposing warships do not exchange a shot. The Coral Sea battle marks the end of the period in which the Allied forces in the SWPA are only on the defensive and paves the way for offensive operations. The reconnaissance work of the AAF proves of greater importance than its bombardment operations, which have no real effects on the battle. Lack of USN-AAF coordination is apparent from the Coral Sea action, and this eventually leads to better interservice communication.
Saturday, 9 May, 1942
8 B-26's and a single B-17 attack shipping and seaplanes at Deboyne Island, New Guinea. 8th Bombardment Squadron (Light), 3d Bombardment Group (Light), transfers from Port Moresby, New Guinea to Charters Towers, Australia with A-20's; combat operations continue.
Sunday, 10 May, 1942
B-25's bomb the seaplane base at Deboyne Island, New Guinea. 80th Pursuit Squadron (Interceptor), 8th Pursuit Group (Interceptor), transfers from Lowood to Petric, Australia with P-39's and P-400's; first mission is 22 July.
Monday, 11 May, 1942
B-17's attack Kessa in the N Solomon Islands while B-26's hit the seaplane base at Deboyne Island, New Guinea.
Wednesday, 13 May, 1942
B-17's and B-26's hit shipping and the airfield at Rabaul, New Britain Island. 30th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 19th Bombardment Group (Heavy), transfers from Cloncurry to Longreach, Australia with B-17's.
Thursday, 14 May, 1942
B-17's, B-26's and B-25's attack Rabaul, New Britain Island and Lae, New Guinea.
Saturday, 16 May, 1942
In New Guinea, B-25's, B-26's and and B-17's hit the airfield and storehouses at Lae and seaplane base at Deboyne Island. 64th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 43d Bombardment Group (Heavy), transfers from Sidney to Daly Waters, Australia with B-17's.
Monday, 18 May, 1942
B-17's bomb shipping in Koepang Bay, Timor Island. HQ 19th Bombardment Group (Heavy) and 93d Bombardment Squadron (Heavy) transfers from Garbutt Field to Longreach, Australia with B-17's. Detachment of 28th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 19th Bombardment Group (Heavy), ceases operating from Perth and returns to Longreach, Australia with B-17's
Wednesday, 20 May, 1942
B-17's attack the airfield and AA guns at Koepang, Timor Island.
Thursday, 21 May, 1942
B-26's bomb aircraft at Lae, New Guinea.
Friday, 22 May, 1942
B-17's pound the airfield at Rabaul, New Britain Island while B-26's hit the airfield at Lae, New Guinea and attack shipping in the harbor.
Saturday, 23 May, 1942
B-25's strike the airfield and buildings at Lae, New Guinea.
Sunday, 24 May, 1942
B-26's attach Lae Airfield, New Guinea, but heavy AA and at least 15 intercepting Zekes prevent accurate bombing. Several of the B-26's are shot down or badly damaged and forced to crashland.
Monday, 25 May, 1942
B-17's bomb Vunakanau Airfield at Rabaul, New Britain Island.
Wednesday, 27 May, 1942
B-17's bomb the base at Rabaul, New Britain Island.
Thursday, 28 May, 1942
B-26's attack the airfield at Lae, New Guinea.
Sunday, 31 May, 1942
B-17's attack Lae and Salamaua, New Guinea.
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Not sure how much of the ground based aviation will be modeled. You can check the original writeup on the scenarios page at ahevents.org.
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Not sure how much of the ground based aviation will be modeled. You can check the original writeup on the scenarios page at ahevents.org.
Im just hoping that there are some P-39s in this.
The 8th and 35th Fighter Group were both stationed in Port Moresby, New Guinea during May '42. They were equipped with both the P-39D and the P-400 (P-39s with 20mm Hispano).
Paraphrased from: P-39 Airacobra Aces of World War 2
Since this is a "What if..." Scenario, I doubt the pilots would be drinking and playing cards while the Japanese were invading their base.
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Well, too bad its not going to be Midway. :cry
How do you know this?
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Ahevents.org--> scenarios--> current or next scenario
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Or you could post the link.....
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario.html
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Well that's disappointing. :(
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Maybe Midway will run after Coral Sea.....if it weren't for Pearl being out of the loop, a Pacific Tour Pear/CS/Midway would be pretty intense.
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Is it time to dust this one off?
Does anyone have a draft set of the rules and settings I could read?
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Check Brooke's website....it might have them?
Edit:
In Aces High:
* Coral Sea 2009 (July, 2009)
* Tunisia: Dawn of Battle (April, 2009)
* Battle of Britain 2008 (November, 2008; GL of I/JG3)
* Rangoon, '42 (2008) (August, 2008; GL of 1st Sentai)
* Der Grosse Schlag (October, 2007)
* Operation Husky (June, 2007; GL of III/KG 30)
* Battle of Britain 2006 (September, 2006)
* Operation Downfall (July, 2006)
* Stalin's Fourth (April, 2006; GL of VVS10)
* Fire Over Malta (November, 2005; GL of Flight F)
* Coral Sea (April, 2005; GL of VT-2/VT-Z)
* Rangoon, '42 (October, 2004; CO of IJAAF)
* Battle of Britain 2004 (August, 2004)
This is what he has up.....evidently past scenario's only. Thought I saw it but was mistaken.
Was kinda curious myself....
Strip
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Past Scenario Writeups.
http://ahevents.org/european-theatre/previous-scenarios.html
I have done a "Midway" design but it is not public as of yet.
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Midway after coral sea... No
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Past Scenario Writeups.
http://ahevents.org/european-theatre/previous-scenarios.html
I have done a "Midway" design but it is not public as of yet.
Can I help you with it?
Give me something to do...
I would gladly do flight testing, hardness testing, wind testing, ship testing....maps..
Anything...
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Nope, its done waiting it's turn to be ran and the CM team's review. It was to be ran back in February 2008 but the terrain was broken.
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Can I help you with it?
Give me something to do...
I would gladly do flight testing, hardness testing, wind testing, ship testing....maps..
Anything...
You weren't kidding when you said "What do I do now?" or something like that.
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"Hijack On"
This hole deal caught me at a very bad time dealing with family. While not an excuse it might explain some things. I guess in the end we agree to disagree over how events played out. I am prepared to drop the whole thing and move on. While I wont apologize for the position I took I will apologize for the way I expressed it. So with that, sorry for taking it a little to far, right or wrong. In all I had a ton of fun...
"Hijack Off"
Fencer1,
I share oneway's sentiments....if you need something done let me know. I did a lot of testing for Coral Sea merely for my own benefit. Might as well try to help someone get something meaningful done with it.
Edit: You posted before I was done but should you change your mind the offer is still there.
<S> Strip
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Is that terrain still broken?
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Its not updated I know that....
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My thinking is we should verify if the terrain is at all usable, otherwise it's a moot point :D
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From the stand point of looks the only thing obvious is the water blending in the shallow area's.