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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Cajunn on May 08, 2009, 02:13:17 AM
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________? I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb, I fly it because it is one of the most versatile planes in the game. It has a good turn (not the best), it has good climb (again not the best), it has good acceleration (not the best) and it has good roll but again (not the best). And in the opinion of most players in the game the hog is the most versatile plane in the game, but you never hear anyone talk about that ride being unacceptable. I don't find it any easier to fly then any of the other spits , in fact I find that the spit 9,5 and seafire or probably a lot more forgiving and though the spit16 is faster it's not winning any races low, medium or high. So please, I'm asking, who do you guys feel should be flying this plane??
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I think most ppl think it is a dweeb plane b/c they get beat by it. I like it the only thing I don't like about it is the fuel loadout. I wish it had a lil bit more.
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Oh and it has crap loads of ammo...
You know why I don't fly the spit? Because everyone says its a dweeb plane... :lol
Plus when I fly a spit it seems like I am targeted first in a fight. I do more evading than hunting in one. I think that is the reason I am starting to do better in a Yak, because no one goes out of their way to chase it.
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Oh and it has crap loads of ammo...
You know why I don't fly the spit? Because everyone says its a dweeb plane... :lol
Plus when I fly a spit it seems like I am targeted first in a fight. I do more evading than hunting in one. I think that is the reason I am starting to do better in a Yak, because no one goes out of their way to chase it.
:rofl you know, your right !!!!!
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It's called a noob ride because even a noob can get a kill with 1 :aok
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________? I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb, I fly it because it is one of the most versatile planes in the game. It has a good turn (not the best), it has good climb (again not the best), it has good acceleration (not the best) and it has good roll but again (not the best). And in the opinion of most players in the game the hog is the most versatile plane in the game, but you never hear anyone talk about that ride being unacceptable. I don't find it any easier to fly then any of the other spits , in fact I find that the spit 9,5 and seafire or probably a lot more forgiving and though the spit16 is faster it's not winning any races low, medium or high. So please, I'm asking, who do you guys feel should be flying this plane??
Cajunn, you are working too hard. If you are having fun, don't worry about it. Bottom line is the Spit 16 does just about everything well, so it's less of a challenge to win a fight in one. Hopefully in time you'll challenge yourself with other birds that test your abilities a bit more.
But again, if you are enjoying yourself, don't apologize for it.
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Cajunn, you are working too hard. If you are having fun, don't worry about it. Bottom line is the Spit 16 does just about everything well, so it's less of a challenge to win a fight in one. Hopefully in time you'll challenge yourself with other birds that test your abilities a bit more.
But again, if you are enjoying yourself, don't apologize for it.
:rofl I'm at home hopped up on diet coke and bored out my mind(Firefighter, crazy hours)......I do fly it, but not as much as you would think. I was reading a few post and it just always ended up with the spit16 being this super be all kill all demon plane that everyone should avoid. And I was just telling someone a couple of nights ago that it was such a sweet ride, and I didn't know why it gets so much flack. So I thought I would ask!
this is what I usually fly : http://www.mediafire.com/?omykxizzjmt
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I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb,
Uhh yes you are a dweeb. all flight simmers are dweebs. Forget not the venerated Book of Dweeb.
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^^^
Direck Kommand from Herr Dweeb Von Stephan. :salute
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Uhh yes you are a dweeb. all flight simmers are dweebs. Forget not the venerated Book of Dweeb.
Well, I find it funny that he says that considering the fact that he augered 3 times last night when I was attacking him. That's no fun... or maybe it was the other cajun.. gosh..
If you like spit16 so much why don't you try the Ki-84. It has more personality ;)
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It gets so much flak because, unlike you describe it Cajunn, it doesn't just do those things "well" but does them very well, and those things aren't independent. Remove the maneuvering E-retention on the Ta152 and you've got a terrible lump of junk. Remove the P38's neutral torque and you have a lumbering and compressing target. The Spit16's combination of excellent (yes, excellent) visibility, turn (instant and continuous), roll, climb, and easy ballistics, and extremely forgiving handling, make it the quintessential dweeb ride. End of story.
Whether you want to attach a stigma to this is another story. I see nothing inaccurate about calling it a noob ride though.
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Yea and to say that the spit5 and 9 are more forgiving is beyond me. How is more forgiving to have 303s and half the cannons in one of them. + They are slow and you're not gonna be getting away from much. Spit 16 has decent speed and acceleration + great climbrate which can get you out of a lot of jams. If you're a decent stick you're going to be outturning pretty much everyone bar a zero/fm2/hurri. the only reason to fly a spit9 over a spit16 is the pink skin and eny. Spit5? forget about it, you might as well graduate from spitfires then because a 5 is a limited MA plane.
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Spit XVI no mater you like it or not is an easy plane to fly. In fact is easy as a Zero or a D3 :) At least they way i "feel" the plane. I have seen people in a spixteen doing some incredibly stupid maneuvers and yet survive from their hunter. When I'm flying the XVI most of the times i score kills. You can do almost everything with it except trying to outdive a 47 or a Dora or run on deck with a pony. Other than that you can turn, roll. or fight in a vertical with ease. Feels to me like fly an ultralight. If you try to push it out of the envelope you will blackedout first. I repeat my self once again but i don't think the real plane had the same "carefree handling" as in the one in the game. Unfortunately my English are not good enough to express exactly my view on the matter but i hope you get the general idea.
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well since even i can score kills in it, it is a dweebish noob ride :)
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I'm pretty sure it was the other Cajun, I'm Cajunn........and I agree with everything you guys have to say about it. But the question is.......should it just become a hanger queen because its a great plane. And if its so easy to fly and (taken in consideration it might be over modeled or under perked in the game) who would be acceptable in the game to fly it? If that would be the case then every plane in the game with a sizable edge (i.E. 262, F4U-4, Tempest,) even though perked, what makes it different from these planes. When you have people with more perks then they know what to do with and it's not a really big lost for some players to up perk ride after perk ride......Oh....... I see, there is a non perk ride in the set that if your buzzing around in your perk ride might have an advantage or at least has enough to maybe worry you, though its been argued against that the sixteen can't compare to these super rides. You know I like flying it sometimes, and even though it is such an easy ride it still comes down to who's pilot, I have had guys just school me in p-51's, 109's, f4u's and so on, so if some newd in a sixteen gets a "lucky" shot on you don't blame the plane.......my last post on this!
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Fly wacha brought. Let the rest of the peeps complain. 'sides, only dweebs complain bout dweebs. :)
Ren
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Spit xvi is a fine plane to fly--don't let idiots tell ya whats a "dweeb" ride. If you like it, fly it.
Just stay away from the La-7, it really is the dweebiest ride in the game. ;)
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It's called a noob ride because even a noob can get a kill with 1 :aok
Its just a name. Like the "hog", the "goon", "tiffy", they are just names to identify planes. As Shawk said, its a plane that even noobs/dweebs can get a kill in so thats the name that stuck. Who can fly it? Anybody, much like the hog, the goon, the tiffy.....
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I brought this up because, for one I'm 43, I play this game because I grew up reading about these war 2 planes and the story's and the history. I'm an average player, I have taken the classes, had 1 on 1 with trainers and I'm not going to ever be anything but an average player (I'm not a gamer) and I'm OK with that. So if I can fly something that makes me a little more competitive, in turn I have more fun then that's good for me. And I just don't think its right for people like myself to be ridiculed because of something like what plane I like flying. Yes this is a game, but I think people forget what brought them to this game in the first place (not all). This game was like a childhood dream come true for a lot of us, most people that are here and take the time and money to be a part of this community is because of the historical significance and I'm sure to many, like myself its more about being around a lot of people with the same interest. So I think that name calling and some of the BS on this BBS has drawn a lot of people into insignificant topics and we end up debating with teenagers like teenagers over some fairly childish things. When in the real world we would in fact just tell them to shut up and listen :rofl, I'm not participating in the BBS anymore unless I have an intelligent question about something significant, :salute to everyone who reads this and I hope I haven't hurt any feelings but I like trying to make a point.
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If you like spit16 so much why don't you try the Ki-84. It has more personality ;)
+1 :aok
I love the Ki84, I find it waaaaaay more fun then any of the Spits.
One thing that I noticed way back when I stopped flying Spits all the time... My flying got better. I was no longer leaning on the Spits turn rate as a crutch. The other thing that I noticed right away... There are a whole lot of other planes that don't break apart nearly as easily as the Spits do, so if you're like me and get hit quite a bit, it helps to have a slightly tougher bird.
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Just stay away from the La-7, it really is the dweebiest ride in the game
on the contrary. La after they remodeled it they made it "less easy" to fly The stick feels more heavy and the turn radius reduced to normal. I think was a move by the the development team towards the right direction.
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Only the flaps changed.
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There was a huge thread about the la7 being nerfed when it was remodelled and retextured, did anyone from HTC end up replying in the thread?
The La7 is still a very, very, elite ride. :salute
According to the Discovery channel, the Spitfire was only the second best plane in WW2. :rolleyes:
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Pyro said in that update's change log and in one of those threads that only the flaps changed, IIRC.
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WTF is Panos going on about then?
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There was a huge thread about the la7 being nerfed when it was remodelled and retextured, did anyone from HTC end up replying in the thread?
The La7 is still a very, very, elite ride. :salute
According to the Discovery channel, the Spitfire was only the second best plane in WW2. :rolleyes:
Would that be the same Discovery Channel that told us about the awesome firepower of the P-51D's six FIFTY MILLIMETER machine guns?
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Kazaa there's always someone who'll get some placebo effect after an update or after having been out of the game for a while.
Would that be the same Discovery Channel that told us about the awesome firepower of the P-51D's six FIFTY MILLIMETER machine guns?
:lol
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This is the attitude that gets me moot...I'm just using your post as an example, it is pretty widespread. People are willing to admit it is a superior plane. People are willing to call those who fly it names. Yet people are unwilling to consider even a light perk price for it.
As for me, I say as long as HTC gives you such a tool for free, feel free to use it.
It gets so much flak because, unlike you describe it Cajunn, it doesn't just do those things "well" but does them very well, and those things aren't independent. Remove the maneuvering E-retention on the Ta152 and you've got a terrible lump of junk. Remove the P38's neutral torque and you have a lumbering and compressing target. The Spit16's combination of excellent (yes, excellent) visibility, turn (instant and continuous), roll, climb, and easy ballistics, and extremely forgiving handling, make it the quintessential dweeb ride. End of story.
Whether you want to attach a stigma to this is another story. I see nothing inaccurate about calling it a noob ride though.
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In that same post it clearly says that how easymode and dweeby it might be is separate from whether that's worth a stigma.
As far as perking, we already argued it. I think the spit16 isn't good enough to be perked. It doesn't unbalance gameplay (could, but doesn't) and whether something's clearly a noob's dream ezmode plane is corelated to but not cause for perking.
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I brought this up because, for one I'm 43, I play this game because I grew up reading about these war 2 planes and the story's and the history.
This ideal is somewhat in opposition to the idea of flying whatever is modeled to be most "uber".
I'm an average player, I have taken the classes, had 1 on 1 with trainers and I'm not going to ever be anything but an average player (I'm not a gamer) and I'm OK with that. So if I can fly something that makes me a little more competitive, in turn I have more fun then that's good for me.
Have you ever considered that you are not hopeless and would not *need* a Spit16 to feel competitive if you weren't continuously competing against hordes of Spit16s in the first place?
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It doesn't unbalance gameplay (could, but doesn't) and whether something's clearly a noob's dream ezmode plane is corelated to but not cause for perking.
Could, but doesn't? LOL, what the crap does this mean Moot?...hasn't a thing to do with what the airplane can actually do. The 190 A-5 could "unbalance" the numbers in the MA if everyone and his brother chose to fly it, but who would care if they did? We'd all rejoice in the number of targets.
If we agree that it is the single plane that an inexperienced person is most likely to be able to get kills in, then that is a *perfect* reason for perking it.
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________?
The general consensus, since online flight sims began, is that the Spitfire is an easy-mode plane best suited for newer players. The Spitfire 16 is simply the latest and greatest version available to us virtual pilots. It does not penalize mistakes and holds at least one (usually two or three) advantage over every aircraft in the AH plane set.
The only thing that has changed in recent years is the emergence of cries from the aircraft's consistent users demanding acceptance.
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It would be unbalancing if everyone flew it to its strengths, in numbers like the chog was used before it was perked. The two are different animals, but that's the yardstick - whether it upsets the balance. The 190A5 couldn't nearly have the same weight on gameplay's balance because it's not good enough. The XVI's effectively just not good enough in the hands of most of the players that use it. Hence the spit16 could but doesn't unbalance gameplay. I don't think it's worth more than 2-3 perks anyway.
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If you want to fly it then fly it. Nothing wrong with the plane other than having short legs. It must be one boring ride though. In the actual war it would be great to have such a plane but in a game it does not offer much IMHO. I prefer much more of a challenge in my gaming.
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geesh slow boards this morn....
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Most that fly it are do not fly it well even though it is an easier bird to fly.
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WTF is Panos going on about then?
all I'm saying is that since they were -according to the development staff- some minor handling changes on the aircraft many people think that the aircraft FM has been remodeled. I also pointed out my personal feeling when i fly the "new" La. feels more heavy. And that is good as it concern my personal preferences. The official statement about this "remodelling" is below.
Version 2.12 Patch 1 Released March 19, 2008
Made some minor handling changes to the La-5 and La-7 flight modeling, performance was not changed.
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If you want to fly it then fly it. Nothing wrong with the plane other than having short legs.
...and being very fragile when exposed to enemy fire ;)
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... and being more adept than most at dodging enemy fire.
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... and leaving me with very unsatisfactory kills landed hence only clocking in a single spit16 sortie this year. oh and I don't pay any attention to anyone landing kills in a spit16.
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________? I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb, I fly it because it is one of the most versatile planes in the game. It has a good turn (not the best), it has good climb (again not the best), it has good acceleration (not the best) and it has good roll but again (not the best). And in the opinion of most players in the game the hog is the most versatile plane in the game, but you never hear anyone talk about that ride being unacceptable. I don't find it any easier to fly then any of the other spits , in fact I find that the spit 9,5 and seafire or probably a lot more forgiving and though the spit16 is faster it's not winning any races low, medium or high. So please, I'm asking, who do you guys feel should be flying this plane??
I have never flown it and I'm not a noob or a dweeb :) and I dont think it would be fair to others if I did :aok
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I hope to reach the heights of skill that some have, to actually have contempt towards an airframe because it was built too damn good. Mind you I favor the 8 & 9 model Spits most of the time. The 16 I usually save for desparate situations like being highly outnumbered.
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I hope to reach the heights of skill that some have, to actually have contempt
Not the reason for contempt
towards an airframe because it was built too damn good.
Not what's contemptible
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Oh and it has crap loads of ammo...
You know why I don't fly the spit? Because everyone says its a dweeb plane... :lol
Plus when I fly a spit it seems like I am targeted first in a fight. I do more evading than hunting in one. I think that is the reason I am starting to do better in a Yak, because no one goes out of their way to chase it.
:rofl :rofl Try flying a P38G! Geeze talk about being targeted 1st and by the most :aok
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Not the reason for contemptNot what's contemptible
I understand your view point Moot. A single plane with this much of a community "stigma" attached to it is just eye opening to myself. It just seems that the planes or vehicles that must be fought in a well thought out manner because of their capabilities are the ones that are assigned "noob" status. For instance there are two planes that I treat with extra special care in my approach: the K-4 and the Spit 16. It's probably for a lot of similar reasons that I behave this way towards them. Of the two, I concur that the 16 does have at least one more advantage over the K-4 that makes it especially deadly. You can dive it and bury the speedometer with little or no compression, where the K-4 has a compression threshold at a much lower speed.
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I personally feel that the XVI is overpowered in a 1v1 situation… However, the main asset that every single perk ride in the LWM has is speed, something that the XVI doesn’t have. Once the XVI is committed to a fight, it’s not going anywhere! It’s simple, kill or be killed.
I’m able to get a better K/D ratio in the P51-D, La7 and K4 then I can in the XVI for the reason stated above.
“Speed is life”
P.S: The F4U1-C is perked because of it's fantastic multi roll ability, not because it's a great fighter.
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I agree Kazaa. When I up a Spit 16 I know that it is a fight to the death. The bad guys get me, or I get them and I am able to fly home. The Spit 16 has little or no chance of getting separation from enemy cons based on it's speed.
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I have never flown it and I'm not a noob or a dweeb :) and I dont think it would be fair to others if I did :aok
You are a dweeb... we are all dweebs. If you do not understand that we are all dweebs, you are a noob.
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This ideal is somewhat in opposition to the idea of flying whatever is modeled to be most "uber".
:rofl There you go again.
Only in your mind is the Spitfire an obscure aircraft that only people uninterested in WWII aviation would use while real WWII aviation buffs would use "real" WWII aircraft like the Bf109 and Fw190.
Have you ever considered that you are not hopeless and would not *need* a Spit16 to feel competitive if you weren't continuously competing against hordes of Spit16s in the first place?
Have you considered that some people actually like Spitfires and dislike being saddled with a slow, 1942 version that almost every fighter you meet in the MA can stroll away from?
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An extreme lie, Karnak.
The Spit16 (as-is, in-game) can outrun most planes, outclimb all planes, out-accelerate almost every plane.
In short, nothing is getting away from a spit16, except for the lucky minority that are already flying at 400mph (and even then there are millions of times a spit16 HOs a 400mph plane, does a 180, and catches it going the other way).
This thing is a frikken UFO and in no way realistic.
You basically want a Tempest that turns like a spit, is all you're saying. Wish on.
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You are a dweeb... we are all dweebs. If you do not understand that we are all dweebs, you are a noob.
:aok Steve,
Although, while we are all either noobs or dweebs there are some grey areas in the catagories: a noobish-dweeb or dweeby-noob for a couple of examples. I personally am a dweeb, occasionally a noobish-dweeb and sometimes even a dweeby-noobish-dweeb but I've been playing far too long to be considered either a noob or even a dweeby-noob. On a good day (a really good day) I'd even go so far as to say I've savored the taste of being a dweeby-dweeb. And while I have yet to reach uber-dweeb, or even psuedo-uber-dweeb status, I am trying (sometimes very).
Cheers,
asw
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I hope to reach the heights of skill that some have, to actually have contempt towards an airframe because it was built too damn good. Mind you I favor the 8 & 9 model Spits most of the time. The 16 I usually save for desparate situations like being highly outnumbered.
Waystin, I think for a newer player, in my experience, youre catching on pretty quick. Another couple years and youll probably be better than most.
There is no doubt that the 16 is an awesome airplane. Hell, the Spitfire in general is an awesome airplane. Right up there with the best (if not the best) fighters of WWII and one of the most beautifully designed aircraft ever.
However, in this game, its real life strengths end up being targets for ridicule. I actually dont mind the other spits. The 9 is an early/mid war bird and is a challenge to fly against the late war uber rides. By the same token, the 8 lacks the firepower of the 16 and, MOST significantly, lacks the pilot-head-into-cockpit-glass-and-kill-him roll rate of the 16.
Off on a tangent and thinking out loud, I think what many people are trying to say is this - and I'm going to simplify it as much as I can by making comparisons to other highly capable late war aircraft in the game before identifying "this."
vs. 51D. Spit maintains advantages in immediate turn, sustained turn, acceleration, firepower, rate of roll, change of direction and flaps out, low speed stall fighting; to include the vertical. Spit is also far more forgiving of mistakes.
vs. La7. Spit maintains advantages in immediate turn, sustained turn, rate of roll, change of direction and flaps out, low speed stall fighting; to include the vertical. Spit is also far more forgiving of mistakes.
vs. 109K4. Spit maintains advantages in immediate turn, sustained turn, rate of roll, weapon deployment, change of direction and flaps out, low speed stall fighting; to be considered nearly identical in the vertical. Spit is also far more forgiving of mistakes.
vs. 190D9. Spit maintains advantages in immediate turn, sustained turn, weapon deployment, firepower, change of direction and flaps out, low speed stall fighting; to include the vertical. Spit is also far more forgiving of mistakes.
See where we are going? What options do the above four aircraft, which represent some of the most capable late war rides in the game, actually have when faced with a 16 on equal footing?
The 51's is only able to exercise a single advantage; top speed (and thus zoom climb). To to that, he would need altitude to convert into speed. If he has no altitude, the 16 will catch him in the acceleration contest. What does he do? Hope the 16 pilot sucks. A lot.
The La7? We have an advantage in acceleration, here and that can be used to dictate the terms of a fight but, at the end of the way, the La7 will ultimately be forced to constantly engage and disengage until the 16 makes a mistake because, co-E, the 16 holds all of the other advantages. What to do? Hope the 16 driver sucks. A lot.
The 109K4 is severely handicapped, much like the 38, when facing a 16. The one and only thing that the 109K4 can do very, very well is climb. It cant turn with the spit, it cant roll with the spit, it cant dive with the spit and in order to effectively deploy the Mk108, a lot of ACM work must enter the equation and you need to be very, very close. So in this case, since the vertical performance of the K and the 16 are, for all intents and purposes, close enough to ensure a deviation well within gun range, what do you do? Hope the 16 driver sucks. A lot.
The D9? Hell... same basic routine as the 51. The only real hope is that the guy you are facing against is a 2-weeker because unless you hold all the cards, are screaming in an 500MPH and have E enough for multiple passes, your only real play is to force the spit driver to get bored and screw up. Overshoots, if you found yourself in a defensive position, dont even work because the 16 roll rate is right there.
In aggregate, the argument here is that while the 16 is not the best at any one thing, it is very, very close to the best at everything and, when you have an aircraft like that, with no clear weakness to exploit, how do you fly against it?
Simplify it further using a hoge-poge chart for the numerically inclined, with the Spit as our control. Numbers are simply estimations for demonstration purposes, of course, and I have not referenced Soda's charts. This is all just 'off the cuff, Friday at work' analysis.
P51D La7 109K4 190D9 Spit16
Immediate Turn: 65% 80% 85% 50% 95%
Sustained Turn: 60% 75% 65% 40% 95%
Climb Performance: 60% 95% 100% 85% 95%
Dive Performance: 100% 90% 50% 100% 95%
Rate of Roll: 60% 70% 60% 100% 95%
Change of Direction: 65% 80% 70% 90% 95%
Weapon Deployment: 100% 85% 30% 70% 95%
E Retention: 100% 80% 70% 80% 95%
E Acquisition: 60% 100% 95% 85% 90%
Acceleration: 60% 100% 100% 80% 95%
Top Speed: 100% 95% 95% 100% 85%
Now you tell me; co-alt, co-E, just what in the hell you are supposed to do with those match ups? They are not scientific, as stated, and objects in mirror may appear closer than they are, but everyone knows the above planes and I doubt there will be many arguments.
The Spit16 is the jack of all trades. Thats fine. What is often frustrating is that it is also, with a very high ratio of "true," the quasi-master of all trades, as well.
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:rofl There you go again.
Only in your mind is the Spitfire an obscure aircraft that only people uninterested in WWII aviation would use while real WWII aviation buffs would use "real" WWII aircraft like the Bf109 and Fw190.
If effectiveness were not part of the equation, the P-40 (Flying Tigers!) would be as popular as the Spitfire(Battle of Britain!), as would the P-47 (Thunderbolt!), this being a sim whose customer base is primarily American. As it stands, only the P-51 is more popular than the Spitfire, it being the *MOST* hyped plane on every t.v show, and unlike those I've named it can reliably run away from the XIVs in the MA.
Have you considered that some people actually like Spitfires and dislike being saddled with a slow, 1942 version that almost every fighter you meet in the MA can stroll away from?
So, it would be terribly unfair if those planes which the Spit can out-turn and out-climb could at least run away from it? Actually, that sounds perfectly fair. You'd probably verbally slap someone around if they complained "everything that can run away from my Zero in the MA does run away...."
Have considered that people who like flying something *other* than 1. An insanely fast pure b'n'zer, like the Pony, Typh, or D9, or 2. A dedicated turner, like the Zeke or Hurri, dislike being out-run, out-turned, out-climbed, out-rolled, and out-gunned by the SpitXVIs?
P.S.
Krusty, your constant penchant for exaggeration makes you, and the side you are arguing for, look bad. You know the facts well enough, just use them.
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I'm not exaggerating. This is fact. The spit16 is only 10mph slower than a P51B, a F4u1A, La5, its as fast as a Ki84, it's faster than a P47D40, N1k2.
Except for "the fastest" planes in the game, we all know the dora the p51D and several other rides are the top 5% speed demons, the spit16 can outrun, catch, or chase down for long enough to get a kill shot.
Even the vaunted P51D has repeatedly been chased down by spit16s. I myself chased one co-E, co-alt and stayed within guns range for over 5 minutes as he tried to get away. I was out of hizzos but repeatedly landed 100s of 50cal hits over the course of 5 minutes. I bet he was crapping his pants the entire time.
Aside from the top "elite" speed demons we all know, the spit16 can catch any other plane in the game.
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Would anybody like to comment on the following data? The below, would fall under my fav rides to use. :aok
BTW, XVI is my main ride lol. :lol
BF109K4.
Tour 85: K/D=26
Tour 84: K/D=19
Tour:111: K/D=18
P51-D.
Tour 111: K/D=37.5
Tour 106: K/D=34
Tour 85: K/D=29.25
Spitfire Mk. XVI.
Tour 90: K/D =13
Tour 102: K/D = 12.11
Tour 111: K/D = 11.87
Spitfire Mk. IX.
Tour 82: K/D=13
Tour 105: K/D=13
Tour 96: K/D= 12
Tempest
Tour 64: K/D=64
Tour 47: K/D=47
Your 109: K/D=37
F4U-4
Tour 80: K/D=19
Tour 85: K/D=18
Tour 110: K/D= 15.4
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Spits are for kids!! and, they taste like chicken :D
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So you leave it in the hanger because in the right hands, according to what you guys are saying it can smoke most other planes in the MA. And flying it just because you like it, isn't fair to the other player's who like to fly there favorite rides that or inferior to it. That some how doesn't seen fair to the guys who like it just because its a spitfire and it may be there favorite plane of WW2. A well known player in this game told me one time that the plane he fly's in the game, he would fly that plane even if it was the worst plane in the game. And in his opinion, it just so happens that the plane he fly's is superior to all other plane's in the game hands down.
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It gets so much flak because, unlike you describe it Cajunn, it doesn't just do those things "well" but does them very well, and those things aren't independent. Remove the maneuvering E-retention on the Ta152 and you've got a terrible lump of junk. Remove the P38's neutral torque and you have a lumbering and compressing target. The Spit16's combination of excellent (yes, excellent) visibility, turn (instant and continuous), roll, climb, and easy ballistics, and extremely forgiving handling, make it the quintessential dweeb ride. End of story.
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What does kills/deaths mean?
Nothing. We've been down that road too many times for you to feign ignorance.
The kills, deaths, manner a plane is used, does NOT negate the overall statistics and cold hard performance facts of the plane itself.
Calling the spit16 "slow" is a bald-faced lie, that you keep perpetuating in an attempt to lobby for an even more super-modeled UFO plane.
The ONLY think keeping this plane (spit16) from totallying 75% of all kills in the arena is the lack of range. It's more than capable of killing more than 75% of anything it runs across.
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Krusty,
Check your reading comprehension again.
I was referring to the 1942 Spitfire Mk IX, which you anti-Spitfire mafia want to force Spitfire fans into.
BnZ,
The P-40 and flying tigers pale in comparison to the Spitfire on fame levels. I am also not denying that the Spitfire is very, very good, nor that that enables Spitfire fans to be successful and have fun in a way in which P-40 fans are simply not able to. You separate things too much and avoid looking at the big picture constantly.
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So you leave it in the hanger because in the right hands, according to what you guys are saying it can smoke most other planes in the MA. And flying it just because you like it, isn't fair to the other player's who like to fly there favorite rides that or inferior to it. That some how doesn't seen fair to the guys who like it just because its a spitfire and it may be there favorite plane of WW2. A well known player in this game told me one time that the plane he fly's in the game, he would fly that plane even if it was the worst plane in the game. And in his opinion, it just so happens that the plane he fly's is superior to all other plane's in the game hands down.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this guy's favorite plane just happens to be "superior to all the other planes in the arena hands down." OK. I'm convinced. ;) Funny how no one's favorite plane is the worst plane in the game. Fly whatever you want. If you are flying for other people's respect, you won't get it flying the 16.
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I clarified.
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What it means Kazaa is that you take a Spitfire when dedicated to actually fighting, and something else when you want to hit and run away. Now, that may sound harsh, that may sound unfair, you may say "I killed many a man in fair combat in my Tempest, K4, or P-51, no doubt this is true. But in reality, the *only* thing those three planes really do better than a SpitXIV is run away. Really, since the Tempest is perked, it doesn't come into consideration, the same can be said for the F4U-4, which no one disputes is the best plane in the game. Certainly you took stupider risks and jumped into situations you would have avoided in your P-51 while you were in the Spit.
Furthermore, you fail to factor in that the AHII main is not "real life fighter piloting", that K/D is not everything for we who play in a sim. No one really dies, and there is no attrition in the MA.Let us look at three possible factors that can influence the choice of what is the most effective in an MA fighter: Score, "controlling airspace" to the end of defending/taking bases, and fun.
K/D is only one factor in someone's fighter score. K/S, K/T, hit%...all must be cultivated if the goal is fighter score. Of these, kills/time is widely considered to be *the* most telling as regards a player's real effectiveness as a fighter pilot, and by extension, should be considered when we are trying to determine what the most effective fighter planes are.
Attrition does not count in the MA, control of airspace does. The SpitXIV is better suited to do that than something that is simply good at running away.
The final factor fun: Simply put, anyone in a SpitXIV can build up respectable k/d, and arespectable score in general, while taking more risks and using alot less discipline than someone building up an insane k/d in a P-51 or D9.
Here's is a list of my top 3, K/D ratio, tours.
Who would like to tell me what this means ? :aok
BF109K4.
Tour 85: K/D=26
Tour 84: K/D=19
Tour:111: K/D=18
P51-D.
Tour 111: K/D=37.5
Tour 106: K/D=34
Tour 85: K/D=29.25
Spitfire Mk. XVI.
Tour 90: K/D =13
Tour 102: K/D = 12.11
Tour 111: K/D = 11.87
Spitfire Mk. IX.
Tour 82: K/D=13
Tour 105: K/D=13
Tour 96: K/D= 12
Tempest
Tour 64: K/D=64
Tour 47: K/D=47
Your 109: K/D=37
F4U-4
Tour 80: K/D=19
Tour 85: K/D=18
Tour 110: K/D= 15.4
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this guy's favorite plane just happens to be "superior to all the other planes in the arena hands down." OK. I'm convinced. ;) Funny how no one's favorite plane is the worst plane in the game. Fly whatever you want. If you are flying for other people's respect, you won't get it flying the 16.
His favorite plane just happens to be the F4U, all flavors! :aok
And you know after all this and thinking about whats going on here, everything that is being considered is in the chance you get into a 1vs1 fight. You know where you usually run into the spit 16.....you got it furballs. And what do you have at furballs, the high pickers, the slow turners and the yaks and La-7's zooming threw. The spit16 just fits somewhere in the middle of all that, so IMO unless you run into one in a 1vs1 fight, which very seldom happens, its still subject to getting picked or out turned.
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________? I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb, I fly it because it is one of the most versatile planes in the game. It has a good turn (not the best), it has good climb (again not the best), it has good acceleration (not the best) and it has good roll but again (not the best). And in the opinion of most players in the game the hog is the most versatile plane in the game, but you never hear anyone talk about that ride being unacceptable. I don't find it any easier to fly then any of the other spits , in fact I find that the spit 9,5 and seafire or probably a lot more forgiving and though the spit16 is faster it's not winning any races low, medium or high. So please, I'm asking, who do you guys feel should be flying this plane??
If you fly it, your a dweeb :D
It is the Newb plane because EVERYONE flys it, and everyone gets kills in it. The F4U is different because you need atlease a little bit of skill to fly it well.
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So you leave it in the hanger because in the right hands, according to what you guys are saying it can smoke most other planes in the MA.
No, you take it because it is a *free plane, unregulated plane, which everyone else can fly, which you *will encounter* in the MAs in large numbers*. Like any other weapon, once it is widely available, you either arm yourself with it or find yourself at an inherent disadvantage. That is why the *one* thing you will never do is see me run-down anyone, vet or noob alike, for flying a SpitXVI as much or as little as they want.
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If you fly it, your a dweeb :D
It is the Newb plane because EVERYONE flys it, and everyone gets kills in it. The F4U is different because you need atlease a little bit of skill to fly it well.
This actually doesn't seem quite logical. In an environment chock-full of SpitXVIs, isn't at least a *little bit of skill* required to deal with the *other SpitXVIs* to get and land kills?
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you know I should of never started this thread, because debates like this only make people say "I wonder what all the fuss is about" then you end up with 10 or 15 more spixteen's in the MA :rofl
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If you fly it, your a dweeb :D
It is the Newb plane because EVERYONE flys it, and everyone gets kills in it. The F4U is different because you need atlease a little bit of skill to fly it well.
Hogs are just as easy to get kills in. Actually, the Hog is a more forgiving platform in it's own right, to me anyways. AKdogg had me roll a U4 last Tour for the first time ever. I landed a few pelts on consec. hops.
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If you are flying for other people's respect, you won't get it flying the 16.
I’m British, Spitfire is part of my culture. I can still remember talking to a WW2 Spitfire pilot about the plane when I was a child. My first R/C plane was a Spitfire… I can go on and on…
The comment you made about “flying for other people’s respect” made me lol IRL, I seriously hope your joking. I couldn’t give a toss about what a single player in AH2 thinks of me, I have the ability and knowledge to fly any plane better then you could possible dream of.
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I’m British, Spitfire is part of my culture. I can still remember talking to a WW2 Spitfire pilot about the plane when I was a child. My first R/C plane was a Spitfire… I can go on and on…
Your comment about respect made me lol IRL, I really hope your joking about “flying for other people’s respect”. I couldn’t give a toss about what a single player in AH2 thinks of me, I have the ability and knowledge to fly any plane better then you could possible dream of.
Spot on you banana! :devil J/K bro. I'm the same way, if I make friends in here (I've made and met many) awesome. If not, no big loss for me.
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I’m British, Spitfire is part of my culture. I can still remember talking to a WW2 Spitfire pilot about the plane when I was a child. My first R/C plane was a Spitfire… I can go on and on…
The comment you made about “flying for other people’s respect” made me lol IRL, I seriously hope your joking. I couldn’t give a toss about what a single player in AH2 thinks of me, I have the ability and knowledge to fly any plane better then you could possible dream of.
:rofl This whole thread is about respect. It's about crying "nobody likes me when I fly the 16. They're all mean to me. Boo-hoo. :cry"
Your statement about your "ability" and "knowledge" is laughable. How many WWII planes have you had the privelage to fly and master?
If you don't care what anybody thinks, then why bother with the vitriolic reply?
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The F4U is different because you need atlease a little bit of skill to fly it well.
It doesn't take any skill to get kills in an F4U, if you can fly it up to 15K and point the nose down on a furball and have enough since to not let it get slow, you can pick a furball to death. It takes some skill to slow it down and fight in a stall fight, that's the truth, your involving throttle control and flaps. But if your just after kills I can ring them up all day over a fur ball.
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caldera
Your statement about your "ability" and "knowledge" is laughable. How many WWII planes have you had the privilege to fly and master?
Please don’t pretend that we are talking about RL here…
If you don't care what anybody thinks, then why bother with the vitriolic reply?
Because it's the truth. :P
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Would anybody like to comment on the following data?
picker
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I've always said the XVI is uber in a 1v1 situation. However, there are better planes to use when going for score.
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caldera
Your statement about your "ability" and "knowledge" is laughable. How many WWII planes have you had the privilege to fly and master?
Please don’t pretend that we are talking about RL here…
If you don't care what anybody thinks, then why bother with the vitriolic reply?
Because it's the truth. :P
So you are bragging that you are far better in a video game than I could ever dream to be? WOW! That and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.
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So you are bragging that you are far better in a video game than I could ever dream to be? WOW! That and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.
No I'm not bragging, just stating the truth... I like tea.
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Every Spitfire has this on the fuselage...
(http://www.funny-tshirts.com/funnytshirts/thistall.jpg)
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Every Spitfire has this on the fuselage...
(http://www.funny-tshirts.com/funnytshirts/thistall.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Every Spitfire has this on the fuselage...
(http://www.funny-tshirts.com/funnytshirts/thistall.jpg)
Heh.
Anyone have a screenshot of one of Eskimo's Barbie spitfires?
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I've always said the XVI is uber in a 1v1 situation. However, there are better planes to use when going for score.
Ya, I think so too. :salute
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I watch post after post, thread after thread come up and it always comes down to the spit 16 being a newb ride, a dweeb ride or more experienced players shouldn't fly it. I would like to know, who do you guys feel is eligible to fly the spit 16, I never hear anyone say the spit 16 should only be used by ____________? I fly it, I'm not a newb or a dweeb, I fly it because it is one of the most versatile planes in the game. It has a good turn (not the best), it has good climb (again not the best), it has good acceleration (not the best) and it has good roll but again (not the best). And in the opinion of most players in the game the hog is the most versatile plane in the game, but you never hear anyone talk about that ride being unacceptable. I don't find it any easier to fly then any of the other spits , in fact I find that the spit 9,5 and seafire or probably a lot more forgiving and though the spit16 is faster it's not winning any races low, medium or high. So please, I'm asking, who do you guys feel should be flying this plane??
know what's funny? i've flown the spit 5, 9, 16, the seafire, and the hurri2c. had great fights, and luck in the 5, 9, and seafire. good luck in the hurri, but only because the cannons made up for my poor fighting skills. never had a drop of good luck in the 16. i seemed to always suck in it.
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Yea and to say that the spit5 and 9 are more forgiving is beyond me. How is more forgiving to have 303s and half the cannons in one of them. + They are slow and you're not gonna be getting away from much. Spit 16 has decent speed and acceleration + great climbrate which can get you out of a lot of jams. If you're a decent stick you're going to be outturning pretty much everyone bar a zero/fm2/hurri. the only reason to fly a spit9 over a spit16 is the pink skin and eny. Spit5? forget about it, you might as well graduate from spitfires then because a 5 is a limited MA plane.
some pile-its don;t worry about getting away from anyone or anything. we're too busy trying to just stay in the air as very large, very important pieces are removed from our aircraft. :rofl
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If people want to fly spit 16s, by all means fly spit 16s. To me, there is zero challenge in that bird, and I only up it from HEAVILY capped fields. Now the HOing and hording XVI's I could do without...but that's the pilot not the plane.
Side note: It really bothers me when people make the "oh its the history that I love!" argument for the Spit XVI. This bird was deployed en masse only after the allies had almost full aerial superiority over Europe, at least within the areas where the Spitty could reach with it's wee little midget legs. Additionally, the war was at that point HEAVILY in favor of the allies, especially on the Eastern Front. Finally there's the fact that most of Germany's best pilots were dead or captured. Therefore, the XVI did a fair amount of ground pounding because of this superiority and lack of range. How many of you use it as an attack/fighter the majority of the time in game?
You want a good historical Spit that was important to the war effort, take the I or V.
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I'd rather an enemy was in a Spit 16 then a P51D/190/Typhie... At least I know the Spit16 is likely to fight instead of the one pass and haul "rear end" that passes for dogfighting these days.
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So you leave it in the hanger because in the right hands, according to what you guys are saying it can smoke most other planes in the MA. And flying it just because you like it, isn't fair to the other player's who like to fly there favorite rides that or inferior to it. That some how doesn't seen fair to the guys who like it just because its a spitfire and it may be there favorite plane of WW2. A well known player in this game told me one time that the plane he fly's in the game, he would fly that plane even if it was the worst plane in the game. And in his opinion, it just so happens that the plane he fly's is superior to all other plane's in the game hands down.
Again fly what you want..... I personally have very little problem if any with spixteens in a fight with my 38.
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If people want to fly spit 16s, by all means fly spit 16s. To me, there is zero challenge in that bird, and I only up it from HEAVILY capped fields. Now the HOing and hording XVI's I could do without...but that's the pilot not the plane.
Side note: It really bothers me when people make the "oh its the history that I love!" argument for the Spit XVI. This bird was deployed en masse only after the allies had almost full aerial superiority over Europe, at least within the areas where the Spitty could reach with it's wee little midget legs. Additionally, the war was at that point HEAVILY in favor of the allies, especially on the Eastern Front. Finally there's the fact that most of Germany's best pilots were dead or captured. Therefore, the XVI did a fair amount of ground pounding because of this superiority and lack of range. How many of you use it as an attack/fighter the majority of the time in game?
You want a good historical Spit that was important to the war effort, take the I or V.
You need to learn more about Spitfires, a lot more. The Spitfire LF.Mk IX was the most common Spitfire from the end of 1943 to the end of the war, the time period most closely matching the MA. The Spitfire Mk XVI is nothing more than a rebranded Spitfire LF.Mk IXe as it is modeled in AH. Therefor the Spitfire Mk XVI is actually the most appropriate Spitfire for fans to use in the MA.
Personally I dislike the look of the clipped wings, so I prefer the Mk VIII for appearance and for its history when I take a Spitfire.
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You are a dweeb... we are all dweebs. If you do not understand that we are all dweebs, you are a noob.
No... but you are correct you are a dweeb! :rolleyes:
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personally, I'm way more relieved when I see a dot turns out to be a spit16 rather than a p51/FW and other runcrafts.
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I'd rather an enemy was in a Spit 16 then a P51D/190/Typhie... At least I know the Spit16 is likely to fight instead of the one pass and haul "rear end" that passes for dogfighting these days.
Boy you guys are getting tired of the pick & run runstangs and FW-run90s too?
Bring on the Spits I say. At least they fight.
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Imagine you are a kid playing cowboys and indians....cowboys having Winchester rifles, indians having bows and arrows, mebbe old Brown Besses........the typical Spit16 driver (at least, anyone who's been playing AH more than 6 months) would deMAND to have a Thompson sub-machine gun, and would be DAMN PROUD of the injuns he managed to kill
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Imagine you are a kid playing cowboys and indians....cowboys having Winchester rifles, indians having bows and arrows, mebbe old Brown Besses........the typical Spit16 driver (at least, anyone who's been playing AH more than 6 months) would deMAND to have a Thompson sub-machine gun, and would be DAMN PROUD of the injuns he managed to kill
More like the Spit drivers are the Cowboys and the others are the Indians whining about the Cowboy's Winchesters.
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me im suppose to fly it.
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A well known player in this game told me one time that the plane he fly's in the game, he would fly that plane even if it was the worst plane in the game. And in his opinion, it just so happens that the plane he fly's is superior to all other plane's in the game hands down.
Pretty close... What I actually said/meant is that IMO it's the "best" plane in the game... It's not necessarily "superior" to any, or all, but it's definately the best.
It can't do some things that other planes can do, but it does everything pretty dang good. It has some weaknesses, but I can deal with those.
I simply have very little or no interest in any of the other planes. I'm not interested in very many of them from a historical standpoint, and I find most of them rather ugly... When I see a spit, 109, 190, Lanc, etc.. I just think "man, someone sure gave that thing a severe beatin' with the ugly stick..." Mustangs look OK, B17's and B25's look pretty good, B24's are ugly.
I primarily judge aircraft by how they look. That's the most important aspect in my mind. The F4U just plain looks the best. It's as close to "perfection" as I can imagine a plane being.
From a performance standpoint, I'd fly it regardless of how it compared to anything else. I don't really care about that aspect so much. When I started flying in AH, it was my main ride, er "coffin". I still flew it. I died and died and died. Sometimes I even thought it was because of what the other guys flew. I flew other stuff too, but felt goofy doing it, mainly because it's hard to not feel goofy when you're flying something goofy-lookin'. I got past the urge to fly the goofy-lookin' stuff just because I wanted to get some kills or survive longer, or whatever. I don't fly the goofy-lookin' planes anymore. I fly the F4U instead.
I'm interested in F4U history, because it's F4U related. I'm not really all that interested in WWII history overall, or in the history of any of the other WWII planes... In general, WWII is too modern and high-tech to interest me... I'm more interested in flint-knapping, fur-trade history, birds of prey, and falconry.
I play AH to fly corsairs. I don't fly corsairs to do well in AH...
I don't fly the spits for the same reasons that I don't do lots of things. The don't interest me in the least. Plus, they're goofy-lookin. Fighting them doesn't bother me at all. A few holes can actually make them look better, or at least less goofy-lookin. Simply because there's less of it to look at. Less is definately more in that instance.
My main exception is when I'm teaching someone in the TA, and they want me to fly one of the goofy-lookin planes. I'll do that without complaint, because that's just how I am...
I'm also very confidant that I can get kills in any plane I decide to fly. It's harder for me to stomach the idea of flying a goofy-lookin' plane than it is to get a kill in it...
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I fly the spixteen to piss people off from time to time :aok
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Boy you guys are getting tired of the pick & run runstangs and FW-run90s too?
Bring on the Spits I say. At least they fight.
I am not the least bit tired of them.
If you put yourself in the right place/right time, you can eat a steady diet attemped b'n'z P-51s/Typhs/D9s. Its mostly what I feed to the 47 and 190, with the occasional Spit or like who isn't looking behind him or is dumb enough to bite a rope as spice. Pilots who don't know a tactic except for running, in a plane that isn't good for much else...and because you positioned yourself correctly and left the uber-turner in the hangar, you just managed to run them down...what more could one ask for in a target?
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Ask him not to drive from 15K to the deck at the 1st sign of trouble, reaching about mach 1 in the process.
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I flew other stuff too, but felt goofy doing it, mainly because it's hard to not feel goofy when you're flying something goofy-lookin'. I got past the urge to fly the goofy-lookin' stuff just because I wanted to get some kills or survive longer, or whatever. I don't fly the goofy-lookin' planes anymore. I fly the F4U instead.
I don't fly the spits for the same reasons that I don't do lots of things. The don't interest me in the least. Plus, they're goofy-lookin. Fighting them doesn't bother me at all. A few holes can actually make them look better, or at least less goofy-lookin. Simply because there's less of it to look at. Less is definately more in that instance.
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What a great post. :aok
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Spit16's ROCK,aaaah...
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Ask him not to drive from 15K to the deck at the 1st sign of trouble, reaching about mach 1 in the process.
The key is to be in something that *can* dive and run with him, even if you have to give up some of that oh-so-precious light wingloading to get it. And watching for the gomer to compress himself...just land a couple of long range pings so you get the kill when he goes splat. Easy as pie, no reason to complain to complain about P-51Ds when one has free access to many planes that are as fast or faster and about equally or even more maneuverable.
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no reason to complain to complain about P-51Ds when one has free access to many planes that are as fast or faster and about equally or even more maneuverable.
I would never complain about P51 Ds, just the really timid way that most people fly them. It's boring. Same goes for most 190s and just about all Typhies. Just my opinion.
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IMHO
The Spitfire is thee Easiest plane to fly, Thee easiest plane to get kills in, and Thee easiest to talk about. Many people think it's Under modeled ( :huh) Many people think it's Over modeled. The Spitfire is considered a Noob Plane because when Noobs fly it, they see it's the easiest plane to fly so they will fly it All the time. The Spitfire IMO is over used. (No offense to you brits) when a base is being attacked pretty much all they Up is a Spitfire. Why? Is it because its easy to keep energy? Is it a noob? Is it a Battle of Britain Fanatic? you probbly will never know. I don't like the spitfire because when i'm caught in a fight with it I am at the Disadvantage (Isn't everyone?) Because I am the Slower plane, and its more heavier and less maneuverable. Ive herd stores of a spit being able to turn with a mustang at 450MPH and killing a tempest one shot. I'm A pretty good stick, I used a P-39 as my Trainer...and I hate flying Spitfires because when you fly something else, its like A brick! That's why i don't like the spitfire.
So who should use it? I have no clue. Whoever likes it I guess. I just don't like to fly/fight them becuase 4397854 seems to always win.
New players should stick to flying a P-51 or a 109. Stay off the Spitfire until you are Desparate for kills.
I quote a spitfire Pilot in WWII "Reminds me of when I sank the Tripitz, One pass of course old boy."
I know xbrit has been waiting for this post
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I wouldn't call the SpitfireXVI is over-modeled, or at least not severely so. You combine that light wingloading with that kind of thrust weight ratio, you *should* see some effects.
I wouldn't call the SpitfireXVI especially easy. There are many planes that are "easy to fly" in the technical sense, in fact many that are somewhat more stable. F6F, P-38, P-47D, etc. They just aren't as good for dogfighting in furballs full Spitfires, or able to run down as many double-inferior airplanes for easy kills as the SpitXVI is. The energy fight, where the SpitXVI shines more than in the angles fight, takes a skilled hand to practice and there are too few skilled hands in SpitXVIs.
I wouldn't call Spit pilots "unskilled". After all, they have to deal with lots of other people in identical planes, now don't they?
IMHO
The Spitfire is thee Easiest plane to fly, Thee easiest plane to get kills in, and Thee easiest to talk about. Many people think it's Under modeled ( :huh) Many people think it's Over modeled. The Spitfire is considered a Noob Plane because when Noobs fly it, they see it's the easiest plane to fly so they will fly it All the time. The Spitfire IMO is over used. (No offense to you brits) when a base is being attacked pretty much all they Up is a Spitfire. Why? Is it because its easy to keep energy? Is it a noob? Is it a Battle of Britain Fanatic? you probbly will never know. I don't like the spitfire because when i'm caught in a fight with it I am at the Disadvantage (Isn't everyone?) Because I am the Slower plane, and its more heavier and less maneuverable. Ive herd stores of a spit being able to turn with a mustang at 450MPH and killing a tempest one shot. I'm A pretty good stick, I used a P-39 as my Trainer...and I hate flying Spitfires because when you fly something else, its like A brick! That's why i don't like the spitfire.
So who should use it? I have no clue. Whoever likes it I guess. I just don't like to fly/fight them becuase 4397854 seems to always win.
New players should stick to flying a P-51 or a 109. Stay off the Spitfire until you are Desparate for kills.
I quote a spitfire Pilot in WWII "Reminds me of when I sank the Tripitz, One pass of course old boy."
I know xbrit has been waiting for this post
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The F4U just plain looks the best. It's as close to "perfection" as I can imagine a plane being.
Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Fly like an Egyptian
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I don't really see why everyone cries so much about the 16, the vast majority of them I come across might as well bail before we merge because 16 pilots are generally awful. Occasionally you run across one that will give you a fight, weather or not the pilot is still below average and the plane is mostly responsible for making the fight challenging doesn't really matter to me. A good fight is a good fight, against a dweeb ride or not.
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its a good plane and. . .
thats why people fly it.
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"I don't fly the spits for the same reasons that I don't do lots of things. The don't interest me in the least. Plus, they're goofy-lookin. Fighting them doesn't bother me at all. A few holes can actually make them look better, or at least less goofy-lookin. Simply because there's less of it to look at. Less is definately more in that instance."
Well thats one way to look at it :rofl
shamus
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Ay oh whey oh, ay oh whey oh
Fly like an Egyptian
Thanks Moot...
Took me years to get her off my mind...
Now she's back.