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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: HellFire on May 15, 2009, 04:10:17 AM
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Would some1 familiar with p38s advise as to proper procedures in divebombing, the steps to take, commands to give, to arm & release bombs either singley or in pairs, dive angles, flap usage etc. Gunsight, where to aim & how.
Rocketry: how & where to aim, commands to give & execute, all particulars to hit various targets, angles of attack. Drop tanks, how to drop & how to use.
P38 Training films and Combat films are encouraged, as a picture speaks a 1000
words. Thx for ur assistance :salute
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(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/p51d.jpg)This is the sight I use for any ord I carry.If you're on tonight look me up and I'll wing with you and jabo until we get it right. I'll be in the blue arena at around 7 central time.I do have films but most aren't named and it'll take awhile to go through all 400 +. :salute
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Try this-
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/divebomb/divebomb.htm
Different airplane, exact same concepts...
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Would some1 familiar with p38s advise as to proper procedures in divebombing, the steps to take, commands to give, to arm & release bombs either singley or in pairs, dive angles, flap usage etc. Gunsight, where to aim & how.
Rocketry: how & where to aim, commands to give & execute, all particulars to hit various targets, angles of attack. Drop tanks, how to drop & how to use.
P38 Training films and Combat films are encouraged, as a picture speaks a 1000
words. Thx for ur assistance :salute
You may also want to visit the training arena. As I remember the way the AH software is delivered the “\” backslash key is the default key to rotate through your secondary weapons, Bombs and Rockets are secondary weapons in the P38. you hit the backslash key and you will see the secondary weapons listed in place of the Cannon in the P38. The Cannon is considered a secondary weapon Most players alter the key assignments to buttons on their joystick. I can rotate through all my weapons and fire any weapon without touching the keyboard. You can use the training arena to learn the best aim point for the way you fly your attack. Speed and angel have a lot to do with how successful your attack run will be. I use anything from a 45 to 65 degree angle for both rocket and bombing runs.
Check out the 113th Lucky Strikes. They fly P38's in the attack role check out their web site www.113thluckystrikes.com the films section.
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Simple explanation... using the site Uptown posted above, you fire the rockets when the target is below to the center pipper about where the two circles on the ladder that look like little boobs, bombs are farther down the "ladder" on the bigger boobs. Dive angle is about 45 degrees give or take 10 degrees. The more shallow the approach, the lower in the site the target has to be.
In the 38, anything over 5k in alt chop throttle before you nose over, if you don't the compression comes into play, the higher you are the quicker it comes in. I like to come into the target and by rolling the plane to one side or the other at a 45 degree angle, I'll line up the target on my wing tip. Then I can chop throttle, roll over and dive in adjust, and relase, level and hammer the throttle and climb back up.
The most important thing is practice. Go to the TA and turn on the lead computing site to get a good idea of the angles and placement in the site.
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What I have learned in dive bombing is: two things effect the placement of the drop, airspeed and angle of approach, it's just something that you have to get in the offline arena and drop on the drone tanks to learn. After awhile you start realizing a pattern to the placement, example: faster your airspeed further in front of you is the release point. Best way to do it is a vertical drop from straight above the target, but you have to make sure your descent is straight down and directly over the target. And as MtnMan mentioned once you learn it in one plane the concept is the same for others that drop bombs. Rockets take a little longer because there are several different size and types of rockets and in the P-38 I have found that the rockets or pretty straight flying with less drop then other rockets for some reason. But practice is the best way to get good at it.
Cajunn
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I just climb to 3,500 ft when bombing gv's and come in on a 45 degree angle releasing my bombs at 1,200 feet above target, I keep my gunsight just a tad in front of them. For rockets All you can do is practice. Good Luck
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For me old habits never die. We used to use CCIP for Jabo. Not available here. Also, be glad you don't frag yerself here. CCIP is continous computed impact point. It was an upside down staple that moved up the centerline of thepipper on the hud. It would auto pickle the egg. If you got too low you'd see a big X that told you if you pickled manually you'd frag yourself. If I rememebr rightly you'd get the X around 3k alt.
Anyway, as Mtnmn said, angle is everthing as is consistancy. Begin at 8k-9k alt. Use flaps if you wish. If you come in at the same angle every time you can gain consistancy that will allow you to hit the target every time. A good approach angle is approx 60 degrees. It's easy to determine by looking straight ahead and rolling your wings to 60 degrees. A secret to the correct approach path is to always take the 60 roll in from a point on your plane. We used to come abeam until we had the jets intake aligned with the target then rolled her over. You can do the same thing by using your planes wing leading edge. Roll to 60 degrees and look in that direction, when you come abeam of your wings leading edge, roll over, chop throttle and pull to the target. Roll upright. You have just established yourself on a 60 degree dive. Use the ground impact point targeting in the TA. The + shows the bomb impact point. Determine what your sight picture looks like on your hud when you pickle the egg. Check your alt. You will find you can pull off
at 3k or more and still hit the target. No ack or flaks to hit you.
And, it's repeatible. Every time.
Hope this helps
Ren
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Have no Fear the master of the light bomber is here!
:aok
GUNSIGHT
My #1 Choice for A Dive Bombing gunsight is this:
It's Called the P-38 Gunstar. The Square down below the Sight is For Dive Bombing. The Crosses in the Corners are for Rockets and the Sight in the Middle is for your guns. This Is a great gunsight to use But I only reccomend Putting it on One P-38...The sight is Too Squished in for me to see planes in it...But Whatever you prefer.
(NOTE: You may have to Re-size the Sight for it to show in-game.)
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TO DIVE BOMB.
1)Hover around a Base and Look for a tank.
2)When Tank is spotted fly over him about 1.5 K until you are Above him.
3)Go Vertical.
4)Dive down on him at a 90 Degree angle. (NOTE depending on your angle use the Main Middle Sight For Aiming if you are 90 Degrees or The Bomb Sight if you are 80 or 60 or 45...etc)
5)Drop Bomb When He is in your Sight (Check above ^^^)
6)Pull up Sharply
7)Wait for 2 Explosions. 1 for the Bomb hitting the Ground and 2 for the Tank Exploding. Thumbs UP!
Watch Out For flacks too. Don't dive bomb a field if there are 3 flacks on the Pad or more. Only bomb when Flacks are on the field IF they are all gathered in the VH.
:)
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Have no Fear the master of the light bomber is here!
:noid
Watch Out For flacks too. Don't dive bomb a field if there are 3 flacks on the Pad or more. Only bomb when Flacks are on the field IF they are all gathered in the VH.
Why?
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:noid
Why?
that's right you haven't lived until you have dove into a swarm of 20 flaks or so!!!! :rofl
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Why? Gee I dont know, Seeing 5 flacks gathered around 1 Tank 1.5K out and firing isn't Bad, No worries Just keep on your attack.
*sarcastic*
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IF you know how to use tactics, and no how to bomb, flaks should not be an issue.
If you're attacking a field for hangars, ord, etc...flaks again should not be an issue...IF you know what you're doing.
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Don't argue with Bark0, he's the master of masters in the Lightning.
ack-ack
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Oh yeah, I forgot...
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Don't argue with Bark0, he's the master of masters in the Lightning.
ack-ack
:D
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To all the great AHII fliers who had helped me so very much with ur advice, which I took to heart & practiced offline for quite a few hours, I'm grateful to you for ur un-
selfishness with ur recommendations ... it works ... now all I've to do is to perfect
my technique in divebombing, rocket firing & controlling the P38, angle of attack,
etc.. & so forth. :aok :D
The p38 gunstar sight I didn't like, however, the p51 gunsight listed by Uptown is
my preference, have to get used to so many things to do it right :) Well now that
my thanks are expressed.... it's back to practice .... practice ... & ... more practice ! :salute
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..........A good approach angle is approx 60 degrees. It's easy to determine by looking straight ahead and rolling your wings to 60 degrees. A secret to the correct approach path is to always take the 60 roll in from a point on your plane........
Thanks for that Ren :salute. I have always had an issue with achieving a consistent approach angle, and used to just 'wing it'. Never occurred to me to use roll for setting up the approach, doh! :D
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What are these bombs and rockets of which you speak?
All I fly is the P38G and I don't know what you are talking about :huh
Now if you want to discuss Torps for the town, I think I can help :)
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Don't argue with Bark0, he's the master of masters in the Lightning.
Well, For Dive bombing Anyway.
However Ack-Ack you (Or So Ive Herd) Are One of thee best Pilots in it. Defiantly better than me