Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: slimmer on June 02, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
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how about heinkel he 177
Crew: 5
Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1 in)
Height: 6.7 m (21 ft)
Wing area: 101.5 m² (1,092 ft²)
Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,000 lb)
Loaded weight: 31,000 kg (68,340 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Daimler-Benz DB 610 (twin DB 605) 24-cylinder liquid-cooled inline engines, 2,950 hp (2,170 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 565 km/h (350 mph) at 6,100 m (21,000 ft)
Combat radius: 1,540 km (960 mi)
Ferry range: 5,600 km (3,200 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,800 ft)
Wing loading: 319.9 kg/m² (65.6 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 110 W/kg (0.067 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns:
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons :O
3 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns
3 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81 machine guns
Bombs: up to 7,200 kg (15,873 lb) of bombs or 3 × guided missiles (Henschel Hs 293 or Fritz X)
Usual configuration:
48 × 70 kg bombs (3,360 kg/7,405 lb total)
10 × 500 kg bombs (5,000 kg/11,020 lb total)
6 × 1,000 kg bombs (6,000 kg/11,224 lb total)
2 × 2,500 kg bombs (5,000 kg/ 11,020 lb total)
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+1
(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/mpm48058reviewbg_12.jpg)
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Huh...the two ~5000 lbs bombs would ensure a lot of use right there.
That said, hopefully if we got this we'd get the He-111 at the same time so BoB scenarios would have a bomber that can be caught. :)
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Sorry, its too fast and too good looking!! ;)
(just how I like my women)
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It definitely needs to be added, however I think there are a few planes (such as BnZ pointed out) that should have a higher priority on the list.
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I'd prefer the He-111 before we get the He-177.
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Id love to see this one make it into the game it so fast they may have to perk it though..
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To be honest I'd rather the He 111, Ju 188 and Do 217 before the He 177. Maybe even the Do 17.
Partly because it's so smurfy.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/He_177_A-5.jpg)
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Huh...the two ~5000 lbs bombs would ensure a lot of use right there.
That said, hopefully if we got this we'd get the He-111 at the same time so BoB scenarios would have a bomber that can be caught. :)
Not in AH..4K limit imposed by HTC.
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I'd rather see the Ju188A-2 added. The Ju188 is such a pretty bomber and capable too.
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Without engine fires or other failures, the He-177 would be pretty capable too!
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Mossie meat, therefore +1
:aok
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Mossie meat, therefore +1
:aok
Think again!
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons
3 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns
3 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81 machine guns
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It definitely needs to be added, however I think there are a few planes (such as BnZ pointed out) that should have a higher priority on the list.
I,m really sick of reading this quote everytime someone suggests a plane.
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Think again!
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons
3 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns
3 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81 machine guns
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I'm aware of defensive armament, however unless you're aware of claims which have escaped my attention, the historical equation is heavily in the Mossie's favour.
Not saying it wouldn't be different in the unfriendly skies of AH though.
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I'm aware of defensive armament, however unless you're aware of claims which have escaped my attention, the historical equation is heavily in the Mossie's favour.
Not saying it wouldn't be different in the unfriendly skies of AH though.
Well the Mosquito will probably have any bomber for lunch, but I think the He-177 might be a tough cookie!
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Bombers in general tend to be meat for any fighter pilot unless the dude flying the buff knows what he's doing and goes high. It all comes down to who flies smarter in the end and can really go either way.
Anyway, I'm for adding any heavy bomber to AH, especially giving one to a country that doesn't have a heavy to begin with or desperately needs a bigger plane set (Russia, Italy, Jpan)
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Will the engine fires be modeled so about half the missions end on the runway in flames or shortly after in a smoky plummet to earth halfway to target?
;-)
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Will the engine fires be modeled so about half the missions end on the runway in flames or shortly after in a smoky plummet to earth halfway to target?
;-)
Since AH is a game with no mechanical failures whatsoever, I'd venture a guess and say no.
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search button :aok
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(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/mpm48058reviewbg_12.jpg)
Wow, it actually looks like a bomber instead of heavy attacker or kinda like a single tailed P38 with an enlarged head like the Ju88. I think I might have a new fav if this tub ever makes it into the game :confused:.
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Since AH is a game with no mechanical failures whatsoever, I'd venture a guess and say no.
I honestly wouldn't mind random engine fires on my bombers as long as they had operational fire bottles to go with it. I find its usually fighter jocks that tend to bring up engine fires on bombers and always fail to realize that hey, fighters had em' too. Just picture this one...
You've got some fighter perks and feel like showing them off, right, so you take off in your Me-163 for a high alt intercept. You get off the ground OK and you're moving right along. You think everything's fine, everything's good, you got a nice, clear blue sky ahea..... BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! screw you and the 200 perks you just lost. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Wow, it actually looks like a bomber instead of heavy attacker or kinda like a single tailed P38 with an enlarged head like the Ju88. I think I might have a new fav if this tub ever makes it into the game :confused:.
You must have got quite the imagination for describing the He-177 as a 'P-38 with a single tail and enlarged head like the Ju-88' :lol
It think it looks more the RV-8 only bigger, with a Ju-88 nose and Ar-234 tail and less yellow :D
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Wow, it actually looks like a bomber instead of heavy attacker or kinda like a single tailed P38 with an enlarged head like the Ju88. I think I might have a new fav if this tub ever makes it into the game :confused:.
It's a beautiful plane. My problem with it is that it will be introduced to work essentially on engineer projected specifications. By that standard we should re work the P-39 which was advertised all out of proportion to how it actually performed. I'd love ot see it fly, but not until after several other AC were introduced.
The Jerry bomber to model would be the Do-217 which was used by the Italians as well. It was a multi purpose bomber that performed quite well and unlike most of the heavier bombers in the game actually did perform dive bombing duties when called upon. It may not be a true heavy, but it was an outstanding aircraft with a good loadout. I think it carried about 8k or more, could carry a wide range of items including anti ship missiles, they made a good radar-equipped night fighter verison, etc.
I believe it had some cannon as defensive armament as well.
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Frank, I said the Ju88 looked simmilar to a P38 with a large nogin. (single tail, general wing shape, side profile mostly, I mean I can just see a silver Ju88 getting mistooken for a P38 at any respectable distance that still allows you to see the general shape) I never spoke a word about the He177 looking like one. Infact I said it actually looked like a bomber.
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I don't mean to be rude, but you'd have to be under the influence to see a resemblance between the Ju 88 and the P38. They don't look anything alike.
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*sigh weary from being needed much too often* Like I said "at any respectable range" I don't know what that is for you but for me it, like I said (well maby it was implied or something), I consider respectable ranges to start around the distance where you can just make out the shape, and the number of engines (I added the engines part but I still think it counts), and ends when you can make out the plane, moddel, and what color it is.
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The general shape of the Ju 88 is nothing like the P38.
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The general shape of the Ju 88 is nothing like the P38.
They both have two engines. About ends there.
:rofl
wrongway
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They both have two engines. About ends there.
:rofl
wrongway
they both can carry atleast 1 bomb now its ends
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HOLY CRAP!!! I said it could be mistaken for a P38AT ANY REAL RANGE :furious(grumbling, muttering to youself). they both have two engines yes, but at least the B25, B26, and A20G actually look like bombers to me, I guess it is the turrets (I'm not saying the Ju88 has none but that they are kinda hard to see), and to me it kinda looks like it's more fragile or slender then the U.S. bombers. Hey I'm just saying a P38 with a paint job the same color as a Ju88 would fool me untill I got close enough to see the shape of the plane.
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In order to end the Hi-jack of "ju88 looking like p38" debate.
Has lots of defensive guns, but the placement blows. be even easier to kill than an 88 would be from underneath. the tail gun can't fire low enough & i bet that single rear-facing gun in the ventral gondola is a 7.92mm. so bring it on HTC!
+1
(in case any of you missed it, I am being sarcastic in the above.)
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Still, if you can make out the fact that it has 2 engines, you'll surely be able to see whether it has 2 tails or not.
(the one with 2 tails would be the P-38 :aok)
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OH MY GOD.............people LISTEN...........I said from a side view AND at decent range. And I mean BOTH....TOGETHER. I agree with VonKirmm, please LETS END THIS HIJACK THING ALREADY!!!!! If you didn't hear or read the above then to bad we are droping it
DROPING IT!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Wow, it actually looks like a bomber instead of heavy attacker or kinda like a single tailed P38 with an enlarged head like the Ju88.
You honestly should be taken out behind the toolshed and beaten to an inch of your life for making that comment.
ack-ack
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You both argue like husband and wife.
anyway, I'd like to see any new bombers. I'm not saying that the fighters don't need work too but we are defiantly at a shortage of good buffs.
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Overlord I agree with you about the buffs. However you should probably not make comments like that untill you have made AT LEAST 50 posts that are well thought out, not offensive, constructive, and approved of by respected members. just saying.
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Yea, I hear ya Nem, But I'm real big into the whole "Free Speach" thing. That and I'm Irish :furious