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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FireDrgn on June 02, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
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Did the A6m5 get taken out of the line up in MW?
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Did the A6m5 get taken out of the line up in MW?
Nope. It's still there.
wrongway
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Nope. It's still there.
wrongway
Though it shouldn't be. We don't really have a mid-war Zero, which would be the A6M3 (Model 22, I believe). Our A6M5 is a 1944 bird. At the very least if the A6M5 is available in Mid War, then the F4U-1A should be as well (last I flew Mid War only the F4U-1 was available).
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Though it shouldn't be. We don't really have a mid-war Zero, which would be the A6M3 (Model 22, I believe). Our A6M5 is a 1944 bird. At the very least if the A6M5 is available in Mid War, then the F4U-1A should be as well (last I flew Mid War only the F4U-1 was available).
+1
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Interesting Is it map dependant? It was red the last two times iv been in there..... The a6m2 was available but not the a6m5.
I hope im not lossing my marbles my wife would have me comitted..
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Interesting Is it map dependant? It was red the last two times iv been in there..... The a6m2 was available but not the a6m5.
I hope im not lossing my marbles my wife would have me comitted..
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The A6M5b is not available on CVs on the NDIsles map. May be where you saw it red?
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Though it shouldn't be. We don't really have a mid-war Zero, which would be the A6M3 (Model 22, I believe). Our A6M5 is a 1944 bird. At the very least if the A6M5 is available in Mid War, then the F4U-1A should be as well (last I flew Mid War only the F4U-1 was available).
The A6M5 was a 1943 fighter, our A6M5b is a 1944 fighter, but other than replacing one 7.7mm machine gun with a 13.2mm machine gun they are the same for AH purposes.
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Either way, the F4U-1A should be in Mid War as well.
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Though it shouldn't be. We don't really have a mid-war Zero, which would be the A6M3 (Model 22, I believe). Our A6M5 is a 1944 bird. At the very least if the A6M5 is available in Mid War, then the F4U-1A should be as well (last I flew Mid War only the F4U-1 was available).
the -1 is all you need! :aok
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Either way, the F4U-1A should be in Mid War as well.
Why? You have a fully competitive F4U in midwar. Take out the A6M5 and all the Japanese have is the Ki-61, which is also a 1944 version that has greater changes from 1943 Ki-61s than the A6M5b has from the A6M5. Take that out and all they have is the A6M2.
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I'd bet my money that you saw the glitch that I've reported at least twice and yet to see results on. In Ndisles no team can up A6M5bs from carriers, although they will work from fields. That aside I would love to see the A6M3 Model 22. Would be nice if we got the later production model that used the Type 99 II cannons instead, keep it a bit more competitive.
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Most A6M3s performed very closely to A6M2s. Different engines, clipped wingtips, less gas tankage, and slightly increased ammo (100 rpg??) because it's belt fed rather than drum-fed.
However, pilots didn't like the loss of range, so those tanks were put back in, and they did not favor the loss in lift from clipping the wings. It also had the same type of engine the A6M5 had, but NOT the same performance. It didn't have the revised cowling nor the ejector stubs, nor the 20mph speed boost.
All in all, aside from clipped wing tips and a few more rounds, it's not much different than an A6m2.
I am, however, all for ANYTHING that gives the zeros more ammo!!! That alone is worth adding the M3
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Most A6M3s performed very closely to A6M2s. Different engines, clipped wingtips, less gas tankage, and slightly increased ammo (100 rpg??) because it's belt fed rather than drum-fed.
However, pilots didn't like the loss of range, so those tanks were put back in, and they did not favor the loss in lift from clipping the wings. It also had the same type of engine the A6M5 had, but NOT the same performance. It didn't have the revised cowling nor the ejector stubs, nor the 20mph speed boost.
All in all, aside from clipped wing tips and a few more rounds, it's not much different than an A6m2.
I am, however, all for ANYTHING that gives the zeros more ammo!!! That alone is worth adding the M3
The A6M3 had a faster top speed, dive speed, better roll rate, less maneuverablity and decreased climb rate compared to the A6M2 and in the case of the Model 32, less range than the A6M2. Don't really so how either model performed close to the A6M2.
The increased ammo in both of the A6M3 models was a result of larger ammo boxes that were added to this version.
ack-ack
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It had a few mph on the M2, but mostly because the removed wingtips. It's really like comparing the Spit8/Spit16 in-game, one had rounded tips, one square, but in the zero comparison the fuel tanks were reverted to normal (pilots didn't like the reduced range) so both ended up having the same range.
The less drag from the wingtips was countered out by the re-addition of the fuel tank, so climb rates were about even as well!
As far as dive speed, I'd have to re-check, but I'm pretty sure they didn't thicken the skin until the M5 model, so stresses and dive tolerances should be fairly close.
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A6M5B is not available on a CV.in MW. my guess is you tried to find it there.
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It had a few mph on the M2, but mostly because the removed wingtips. It's really like comparing the Spit8/Spit16 in-game, one had rounded tips, one square, but in the zero comparison the fuel tanks were reverted to normal (pilots didn't like the reduced range) so both ended up having the same range.
The less drag from the wingtips was countered out by the re-addition of the fuel tank, so climb rates were about even as well!
As far as dive speed, I'd have to re-check, but I'm pretty sure they didn't thicken the skin until the M5 model, so stresses and dive tolerances should be fairly close.
Krusty,
There were two A6M3s: the Model 32 with the clipped wings, and I THINK it was the Model 22 which had full-span. Both of them could actually be nice additions (I think most of the A6M3s encountered during the Guadalcanal campaign were the Model 32) but if we're to get the A6M3 it would likely be the Model 22, unless HTC wants to do the Model 32 to have a Zeke that looks a little bit different.
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I think the more common (representative) is the later model. I use A6M3 for example, A6M2, to more easily differentiate the models, rather than "model 22, model 32", just as an FYI. Makes it easier for folks reading to understand.
Even if not that different from an M2, I think it still fills a part of the giant planeset gap for Japanese aircraft!
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Saxman is basically correct. There were two models of the A6M, the A6M3 Model 32 and the A6M3 Model 22. I'm not sure which saw more action where but I do know the A6M3 Model 22 has a production of about 200 more then the A6M3 Model 32 (something like 300 and 500 respectively). Both had there advantages as disadvantages but as far as the pilots were concerned of the day, the Model 22 was the fix for the deficiencies in the Model 32. I wouldn't mind seeing either added, just if I had to choose I would go with the Model 22 as is feels more like an A6M should be then the Model 32.
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I'm travelling and don't have access to my books, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the A6M3 had an improved 20mm cannon with a faster rate of fire compared to the M2. Can anyone confirm that?
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I think the more common (representative) is the later model. I use A6M3 for example, A6M2, to more easily differentiate the models, rather than "model 22, model 32", just as an FYI. Makes it easier for folks reading to understand.
Even if not that different from an M2, I think it still fills a part of the giant planeset gap for Japanese aircraft!
Krusty,
Our point is that there are TWO A6M3s, so you DO have to specify.
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Krusty,
There were two A6M3s: the Model 32 with the clipped wings, and I THINK it was the Model 22 which had full-span. Both of them could actually be nice additions (I think most of the A6M3s encountered during the Guadalcanal campaign were the Model 32) but if we're to get the A6M3 it would likely be the Model 22, unless HTC wants to do the Model 32 to have a Zeke that looks a little bit different.
The Model 22 had redesigned wings that kept the clipped wings but added internal fuel tanks in the wings and attachments for drop tanks. With the new internal wing tanks and with drop tanks, the Model 22 regained what range was lost in the Model 32. Maneuverablity was still less than that of the A6M2 and climb rate didn't improve either.
I believe after the Model 22, all new Zero variants were built with the redesigned clipped wing.
ack-ack
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The Model 22 had redesigned wings that kept the clipped wings but added internal fuel tanks in the wings and attachments for drop tanks. With the new internal wing tanks and with drop tanks, the Model 22 regained what range was lost in the Model 32. Maneuverablity was still less than that of the A6M2 and climb rate didn't improve either.
I believe after the Model 22, all new Zero variants were built with the redesigned clipped wing.
ack-ack
Incorrect. The Model 22 restored the folding full-span wings of the A6M2, (thus the change in model number. First digit is the airframe, second is the engine. So, same airframe as the Model 21 with a different engine) but retained the upgraded engine of the Model 32. All subsequent Zeros were built with full-span wings. The A6M5 (Model 52) tips were fixed, rather than folding.
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Incorrect. The Model 22 restored the folding full-span wings of the A6M2, (thus the change in model number. First digit is the airframe, second is the engine. So, same airframe as the Model 21 with a different engine) but retained the upgraded engine of the Model 32. All subsequent Zeros were built with full-span wings. The A6M5 (Model 52) tips were fixed, rather than folding.
Yes, you are correct. I'm still learning how to read Kanji and misread that it was the Model 21 wings that were modified for the Model 22 and according to this document, the A6M5 Model 52 had the improved roll rate clipped wings of the Model 32 built in.
ack-ack
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If Wiki is to be believed, it was womething to do with the way that the exhaust stacks were routed in the Model 52 that led to the improved roll rate. I've never seen a photo of an A6M5 with clipped wings.
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I never get tired of watching zeros flaming through the sky's of AH.
Lights up an air field very nice.
like 4th of July every day :eek: