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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Greebo on June 03, 2009, 05:17:38 PM
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I found this Typhoon profile from a plastic kit decal sheet. It is a mid-1945 193 Squadron aircraft with the name "Betty" on the side. Seemed like a happy coincidence as our Betty flies the Typhoon. Couldn't find a photo of it in any of my books though. Does anyone have a photo of this aircraft they could either post or send to me?
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/DP-SRHprofile.jpg)
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All I've found on the web so far is a profile of the other side:
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/h_images/193sqntyphoon1bc.gif)
Still looking.
wrongway
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I know I've seen a photo of that Tiffie somewhere but I can't find it. Apparently it makes for a popular modeling subject though.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/569464.jpg)
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If you are looking for Tiffies to do Greebo, this one would be nice, at least from my perspective. While in Normandy in 2005 we visited the Canadian Cemetary on the road from Caen to Falaise. I came across this grave marker of an RCAF Tiffie Pilot Ted Bugg.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/100_0063.jpg)
This was in the book at the cemetary and I made it a project to track the story down when I got home.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/100_0071.jpg)
His story turned up in a book on RCAF Tiffies and included this photo of Bugg, his wife and daughter.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BuggI.jpg)
I did this profile based on info found on the Tiffie he was lost in while flying ground attack during the Falaise Gap
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TiffieBugg.jpg)
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Ideally I like to work from photos but I'll skin Ted Bugg's Tiffie for you Guppy. In case HTC ask when I submit it, what is the title of the book you used as a source for your profile?
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I know I've seen a photo of that Tiffie somewhere but I can't find it. Apparently it makes for a popular modeling subject though.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/569464.jpg)
Ditto, I will see what I can find. I am assuming the 2TAF books have already been checked but I will check them tonight.
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dont think its betty but a couple of pics of a 193 Sqn typh taxiing (plus other info/pics) at:
http://www.rafharrowbeer.co.uk/bellows_of_brazil.htm (http://www.rafharrowbeer.co.uk/bellows_of_brazil.htm)
also from the IWM:
(http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/media/images/Photographs/Image/CH_011393.jpg)
interesting history - this batch were donated by sympathetic Brazillians.
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Ideally I like to work from photos but I'll skin Ted Bugg's Tiffie for you Guppy. In case HTC ask when I submit it, what is the title of the book you used as a source for your profile?
Thank's Greebo. It was a very sobering moment thinking about that pilot while standing among all those graves at the Canandian Cemetary. It's scary how many of those cemetary's dot the roads from Normandy on in.
The books is 'Typhoon and Tempest-The Canadian Story" By Hugh Halliday
Well worth it if you can find it. The RCAF Tiffies were strictly bomb carriers while the RAF Tiffies took the rockets. F/O Bugg was lugging bombs the day he was killed.
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The Typhoon pilots suffered far higher losses than other RAF fighter squadrons of the time, the German AA fire in 1944 was very effective. It got to the point where there was a shortage of pilots so a call was made for volunteers to transfer from Spit squadrons and there were almost no takers. Typhoon pilots were very popular with the army though, often getting bought pints in the pub by off duty soldiers.
I've only got Vol 4 of the 2nd TAF books and "Betty" is not in that, don't know about the other volumes but it is a 1945 plane so that should narrow it down a bit.
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The Typhoon pilots suffered far higher losses than other RAF fighter squadrons of the time, the German AA fire in 1944 was very effective. It got to the point where there was a shortage of pilots so a call was made for volunteers to transfer from Spit squadrons and there were almost no takers. Typhoon pilots were very popular with the army though, often getting bought pints in the pub by off duty soldiers.
I've only got Vol 4 of the 2nd TAF books and "Betty" is not in that, don't know about the other volumes but it is a 1945 plane so that should narrow it down a bit.
One of the first Spit XII pilots I corresponded with back in the 80s was a Warrant Officer and he ended up being sent to 263 squadron on Tiffies. He talked a bit about diving into the flak and seeing buddies disappear in an instant as the flak got them. He sent me a couple of nice photos of rockets on the way in as well as a squadron photo of 263 on and around a Tiffie towards the end of the war.
Just reading about the Canadians and all losses, is very sobering. One of the things I noticed at the US cemetary overlooking Omaha Beach is that 99 percent of the pilots buried there were 9th AF ground attack pilots. Jug and 38 drivers. I saw very few 8th AF pilots there.
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Dan,
RAF 263 Squadron, would you happen to know the squadron code for JR302?
Tks
JR
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Dan,
RAF 263 Squadron, would you happen to know the squadron code for JR302?
Tks
JR
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/h263.html
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here's one pic
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Thank you Waffle, that's just what I'm looking for. :aok
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I've completed my skin of Ted Bugg's Typhoon, here is a viewer screenshot:
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/438_Sqn_Typhoon_SC1.jpg)
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Greebo, any chance of a few more detailed shots of the Typhoon please mate?
One from the front showing the intake and one from the inside showing the default position, those would be great. :D
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I can't help you with a cockpit shot. On the version of the res file that I have the cockpit interior has not yet been done and even the default head position is way too high.
Here's a shot of the front though:
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/438_Sqn_Typhoon_SC2.jpg)
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Very nice Greebo :aok
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http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/h263.html
Fencer, tks but I meant the individual letter for that serial number.
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Fencer, tks but I meant the individual letter for that serial number.
Yeah I misread that.. sorry I will see what I can find.
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I've completed my skin of Ted Bugg's Typhoon, here is a viewer screenshot:
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots4/438_Sqn_Typhoon_SC1.jpg)
Very nice work as always Greebo. Many thanks for that one. FTJR, I don't have a specific for JR302, but I'll do some digging.
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Tks Guys
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Tks Guys
You talking about F/O Tuff's bird?
Don't have a letter, but the story behind him and the loss of JR302 is an interesting one. I remember reading it a long time ago in "Wing Leader" I believe. Going to keep looking :)
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You talking about F/O Tuff's bird?
Don't have a letter, but the story behind him and the loss of JR302 is an interesting one. I remember reading it a long time ago in "Wing Leader" I believe. Going to keep looking :)
Yes I am. Funny how these things pop up. I was in game last week, having a chat to Lyric via p.m. about the new graphics while trying to avoid being shot down, and F/O Tuff Story came to mind. "Wing Leader" is one of the few books I have, I picked it up off the shelf, and now im more than interested.
Tks again.
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I notice that the transition between the upper and lower portions of the leading edge of the wing is very smooth. Are they still mapped in two different portions?
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Yes I am. Funny how these things pop up. I was in game last week, having a chat to Lyric via p.m. about the new graphics while trying to avoid being shot down, and F/O Tuff Story came to mind. "Wing Leader" is one of the few books I have, I picked it up off the shelf, and now im more than interested.
Tks again.
Yes & thank you for that email & here is part of the book.
TUFF, Robert Bruce, F/O (Aus 409257, Royal Australian Air Force) -
No.263 Squadron - Mention in Despatches - awarded as per London Gazette
dated 8 June 1944 and Australia Gazette dated 22 June 1944. Public
Record Office Air 2/9219 has recommendation for a George Cross which was
reduced to an MiD:
"On the 22nd February 1944, Flying Officer Tuff was returning from an
armed shipping reconnaissance when he observed that his squadron
commander (Squadron Leader G.B. Warnes, DSO, DFC) who had been compelled
to alight on the sea some 20 miles northwest of Guernsey, was in
difficulties and some 50 yards away from his dinghy. Flying Officer Tuff
passed the information to his deputy leader by radio telephone and
informed him that he intended to abandon his aircraft and go to the
assistance of Squadron Leader Warnes, who also appeared to be injured.
Flying Officer Tuff undoubtedly realized that, in view of the rough sea
and poor visibility, it would be extremely unlikely that he would be
able to alight on the sea close to Squadron Leader Warnes, and that to
reach him he would probably have to swim a long distance in a perilous
sea. He was a strong swimmer, however, and was evidently prepared if
necessary to discard his own dinghy. Even if he reached Squadron Leader
Warnes the chances of being picked up were extremely small in view of
their distance from Guernsey and the roughness of the sea. Nevertheless,
Flying Officer Tuff, in cold blood, took the risk in order to try and
save the life of his squadron commander. In spite of every effort being
made to locate Squadron Leader Warnes and Flying Officer Tuff they have
not since been found. Flying Officer Tuff showed extreme bravery in
attempting to help a comrade and his self-sacrifice was worthy of the
highest praise."
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The transition on the leading edge of the skin between the top and bottom tiles is slightly below where it shows on the screenshots. I have carried the underside colours over to the top of the wing by a couple of pixels to avoid that "hard edged" look and to line up better with the gun barrels.
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The transition on the leading edge of the skin between the top and bottom tiles is slightly below where it shows on the screenshots. I have carried the underside colours over to the top of the wing by a couple of pixels to avoid that "hard edged" look and to line up better with the gun barrels.
Sweet, nice job!
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Looks great Greebo, is there a bit of texture stretching at the front end between the spinner and scoop?
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Yes, there's a bit of stretching under the spinner. That's just about the only stretching on the whole skin though.
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Good to hear, can't wait for the next patch :)
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S/L Derek Erasmus with Typhoon mark DP-S
(http://www.amnesta.net/other/simpson/26-detail-JS-with-DP-S.jpg)
partial shot
http://www.amnesta.net/other/simpson/26-detail-JS-with-DP-S.jpg
Edit:
15 August 1943
Combat occurred over the Brest peninsula in the afternoon, as Allied fighters swept the area. Circus 51 was flown by bomb-carrying Whirlwinds of 263 Sqdn, escorted by various fighter units. The Whirlwinds were tasked with bombing Guipavas airfield. 193 and 266 Sqdns were to fly together as one squadron, with six aircraft from each unit taking part, and they were to operate in a free-lance role. However, the Whirlwinds and their escort were recalled before bombs were released due to bad weather over the target area, but 193 and 266 Sqdns did not know that the mission had been cancelled, and continued to Brest peninsula at 5,300 m. Once there, 266 Sqdn spotted an estimated four to seven enemy aircraft approaching from behind, and six Typhoons of the squadron turned back to engage. 193 Sqdn made no enemy contact, and was on the way home when it realised 266 Sqdn had run into FW 190s.
S/Ldr. A.S. McIntyre was shot down and killed early in the combat in Typhoon Mk.Ib JP492, by an FW 190 from about 50 m distance. F/Sgt. Derek Erasmus, a Rhodesian in Typhoon Ib EJ917, and S/Ldr. McIntyre’s Number Two, attacked the FW 190 and shot it down. F/O. J. Small was killed at this time, despite being seen to bale out of Typhoon Mk.Ib DN296. F/Sgt. Erasmus attacked a number of enemy aircraft, and claimed one damaged, but was attacked several times himself. He submitted the following combat report:
“We turned hard through 180º; I positioned myself about 500 ft above, up sun of Red 1, when he called out ‘190’s’. He went for the first of the two which rolled on its back. The second one opened fire at Red 1. I fired at this one from long range and it dived away. I turned hard port to look for Red 1 and was immediately attacked from above and behind, I turned into it and the 190 overshot. I then saw a 190 about 1,000 feet below on its back, I dived at it opening fire at about 300 yards and saw strikes in rear of fuselage. I then did a climbing turn into sun and called up Red 1 but received no answer. I immediately saw a 190 close behind a Typhoon below me, to port. The 190 opened fire, black smoke came from the Typhoon and the 190 went into about 50 yards, there was a flash from the Typhoon which turned on its back with black smoke and flashes coming from it. The 190 did a steep climbing turn just as I opened fire out of range. I then closed into about 150 yards firing with 30º deflection. There was a bright flash in the cockpit and it went down burning. I saw it crash near three other aircraft burning on the ground. I was then attacked by another 190 which I turned with. I turned inside him and before I could fire he turned on his back and dived, I followed him as he had black and white smoke coming from his engine, and wing tip trails, I think he had been damaged before. I was closing rapidly but he was heading in towards France so I gave him a quick squirt and turned hard for home. On the way over the coast I passed a 190 with long range tank. I called up Red 1 but there was no answer. I also heard ‘Circus Leader calling Finnan Leader.’”
Judging from his gun camera stills, it is clear that F/Sgt. Erasmus had downed an FW 190 with long-range tanks. There are six shots in total. In the first two, a hit can be seen in the tail. In the third a major hit is seen at the base of the port wing. In shots four, five and six, this hit develops into a major explosion covering the port side of the aircraft.
F/Sgt. Erasmus returned to base alone, and belly-landed at Portreath.
Still looking for info to put him in DP-S in 45
ERASMUS Charles Derek Sqdn.Ldr 09-Mar-45 Typhoon IB Pilot
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Thanks for the info Megalodon, interesting combat report and its always nice to have the pilot's name to go with a skin. The photo allowed me to correct a few things on the LH side like the squadron letter layout.
Here's a screenshot of the skin:
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots/193_Sqn_Typhoon_SC1.jpg)
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