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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Viper61 on June 06, 2009, 01:29:56 AM
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My plan was to put a maximum effort up the middle with supporting attacks to the enemy task groups on my flanks. Combined with a robust defense at each of the bases I needed to defend. A fighter sweep was sent forward to secure and CAP the center island A114. This would then allow my bombers a pretty clear path at least half way to A25 and A103 my targets. Likewise with the island secured my bombers would have a secure path back to friendly airspace. Also this being the first frame of three it is always best to push the envelop and take extra risk. If a side can get a point advantage in the first frame it makes it easier to win in the end.
From the reports it appears that the CAP worked well but many of the bombers didn't make it through the gap or got jumped shortly afterward. A25 was not attacked as the ALLIES put up a great defense and destroyed all 20 bombers assigned that target. A103 appears to have sustained some damage. With the bomber attack clearly not working well I instructed the CAP at A114 to level the base which they accomplished very well. A25 and A103 were beyond the range for a follow up strike.
The attack at A119 southern island looked fairly well. It was a 1 sortie mission. The defenders at A119 did a great job of staying alive and shotting us down. However in the end I think we got most of them with good hits on the base itself.
A4 got attacked at H+55 by a low level B24 raid at 1K 20 strong with Spit escorts. ALLIES did a great job of keeping us from getting to them. I believe they lost about 8 B-24's but pretty well wrecked A4.
There seemed to be only slight damage to V base 12 and 13. <S> to the AXIS pilots that fought off the ALLIED attack there.
V19 and 20 were hit worse. Have no reports.
A2 suffered a big hit from a P-38 raid. <S> to the AXIS defenders up there. The squad assigned only had 2 show up from what I can gather and they managed to shot down 6 AC!!! WTG by any standard.
13MPG did a great job of protecting the AXIS Task Group. Limited or no damage from what I could see.
Our two groups that attacked the ALLIED task groups scored good hits but no ship sinkings according to the logs. Never an easy task to find and distroy moving targets. The ALLIED ships will be in dry dock for several months after that pasting.
Great job AXIS squads. You gave better than we got. We started about 20 pilots down and held a +20 pilot advantage throughout most of the frame. Nicely done. A CIC cant ask for anything more than to plan a mission have very few squads ask any questions and they go forth and accomplish great things. Great job all and I appreciate the support of the all the AXIS squadron leaders.
The center islands are the key to controlling the map in this scenario. He who can CAP them either limits his enemies movement and will distroys 2 bases easily. To that end we smashed 1 and had a draw on the other. Hopefully we will be going into Frame 02 with a slight point advantage.
WTG to all AXIS pilots and squads. <S> to the ALLIES as they put up a stiff fight. Looking forward to the next frame.
The FSO is a great event and <S> to all that make it happen.
Viper 61 (AXIS CIC Frame 01)
Operations Officer
325th VFG
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Sorry Wooley. :confused:
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My AAR. Took off from a base in my 109G2 ready to kill some allies. Flew around for 40 minutes, trigger finger getting itchy since we were getting very close to our target area. Then BAM "Host Connection Lost". Let me tell you, my computer is very lucky that it isn't sticking out of my wall after the crap its done to me in the last week. :furious :furious
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"There seemed to be only slight damage to V base 12 and 13. <S> to the AXIS pilots that fought off the ALLIED attack there".
A single P38 hit V13. (no damage)
5 P47's hit V12. (A single ord bunker hit).
That's it, all frame.
EDIT: Apparently both these attacks were intercepted well before reaching target.
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As one of the guys that was tasked with actually defending 25 I gotta tell ya we never saw an enemy plane. Where'd that attack get intercepted? Just curious.
Agreed it was just a bit out of the way.
Drano
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:salute we had a great time, 77th FS "Gamblers"
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I will look into what happened at A25.
Viper since the frame is over please send me your orders if you would.
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"There seemed to be only slight damage to V base 12 and 13. <S> to the AXIS pilots that fought off the ALLIED attack there".
A single P38 hit V13. (no damage)
5 P47's hit V12. (A single ord bunker hit).
That's it, all frame.
EDIT: Apparently both these attacks were intercepted well before reaching target.
That's just a allied false propaganda report.
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A25 was not attacked as the ALLIES put up a great defense and destroyed all 20 bombers assigned that target.
I would luv to know where they got intercepted by the Allies.
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332nd provided close escort to the Killuminati. We all flew out of A18 striking A114 then A103. Thankfully the 68th Lighting Lancers and the Braunco Mustangs did a sweep of 114 before we arrived. When we arrived with the Ju88's a few P-38's came in and took out one or two bombers, but after that we managed to dispatch them.
Flying to A103 was uneventful, but once there we engaged some Spits and P-40's Again they took out a couple bombers, but the rest were forced low and or shot down. Felt bad about the bomber losses as they did not have drones, but Kermit seemed pleased.
We lost two on the way home. Sondog and his 190 with part of his wingtip missing flew quite a ways home, but had to throttle back due to a fuel issue as he neared land. With the lack of air speed he lost control and could not recover. About 20 miles off shore he spun in and crashed.
RAYL49 my wingman made it within 2 miles of our home base and had to ditch. Tragically he tried to make it over a grove of trees to a open field beyond, but did not make it. There was no mistaking his fireball as he struck a tree.
Most of the 332nd Flying Mongrels landed. Hats off to Baumer and BigRat who shot down 3 each and landed. :)
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Sorry we didn't do a better job escorting you Kermit. Them P-38's were relentless, they just wouldn't break-off.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/FSOAARPhotos/Kill%231.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/FSOAARPhotos/Kill%232.jpg)
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:salute Baumer
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<S> Baumer, Daddog and 332nd! Also a <S> to the AKs for communicating and linking up with us near the 2nd target at A103.
We had 2 Ju88s survive the frame and land safely with you. Thank you. We were able to destroy only 1 hanger at A114 due to those P38s hitting us while we were in our bombsights. :0 Thankfully, our escorts protected us from further attacks. At our secondary target of A103, we were able to destroy 3 more hangers. Watching a few fellow Ju88s struggling to get to the secondary target was interesting. :) I was lucky enough to die early by a player who's name seems most fitting! :lol
Baumer, seeing those P38s die is awesome! :D
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We (USMC/71) we're the attack package for V13, we got hit exceptionally hard on climb out while in formation with the jugs en route to V12. Suffice it so say that any film of said encounter would be rated "XXX" for repeated buggery....we just got mauled. We lost a few guys to 190's before we even knew we were being attacked, the one 38 that got to target was actually a guy AFK on autoclimb who just trundled on thru and came back alone and almost over target...
The only two survivors of the initial bloodbath were myself and Nosey. We tried to make a fighting retreat back to 114 but got bounced by both 109's and 190's....ugly ugly ugly.
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I'm with Baumer, that first group of 38's was on a suicide mission at those 88's. I shot the engine out of one of them but he was still determined to get in the bombers. didn't kill him until I was in the bombers with him.
:salute
BigRat
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The Arabian Knights escorted the JV's in thier Ju-88's. We reached the center island and were jumped by the Allies. All the bombers were lost. Some of us provided CAP at A114 while others went to provide escort for other bombers.
This little scenario provided enlightenment on both Krusty's and MajTalons opinions on the role of BUFFs in the game. Low speeds in poorly defendable bombers and no formations will create situations with a lopsided effect leaning towards the fighters.
When the start of the FSO begins with "Good hunting", it should be added with "Good hunting on the chase". As a bomber pilot in the game, having rules stipulating all bombers must be fully loaded with fuel is acceptable allowing a slower rate of climb. This would keep the bomber groups to 15,000 to 18,000 ft. Enabling the oppposing fighters the ability to "chase" thier prey.
The challenge in the FSO plane matchups between fighters and bombers would be equalized. It's a challenge to shoot down a bomber formation with lots of guns working in sync. On the flipside, it's a more challenge to hit the fighter when the pilot is using slashing attacks.
In a future FSO, maybe the ratio of bomber pilot players to fighter pilot players should be 70/30. Bomber groups would be used for attacking 8 to 10 targets. Fighter groups would be used strictly for defense of targets. No escort fighters allowed. First two frames be single bombers and third frame be formation enabled. This would have to be PTO setup giving the Axis a viable chance with the Ki-67's.
There's no real way to make these events balanced. Just my 2cents. :salute
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The 13Th MPG was tasked with defense of tast group 112. We rolled out with 109G2's with gondolas. We were the only ones defending the task group with 16 pilots. I gave my best ship driver (prowl3r) control of the task group. That being said, dropped us to 15 pilots and we also released 2 scouts to patrol entry routes to the south. Our task group radar started to flash, startled we all wanted to head to the ships but report from skipper said it was all spitfires. One of our scouts (Ruff13mpg) found a whole group of bombers a grid below our task group. They obviously sent a whole group of fighters to sweep ahead. Our flightlead (markakis) released 4, 109's to Ruff's location, to find enemy bombers (b26's) un-escorted. We slashed in through the bombers killing 1-3 taking hits from the tight pack of b26's. I lost my radiator after my second pass. As I followed (without power), I began to watch the rest of my squad eliminate the b26's. Was a hell of a fight. By then, their escorts(who were coming back to them) entered the fight. The 13th was dwn to 4-6 pilots now, and we used our ships as bait for the spitfires. The ship ack killed most of the spits as they tried to strafe dwn the ships, and overwhelm our leftovers.
We returned 3 planes, and had little or no damage to our task group. We were lucky, they had no close escorts, and our scout found the bombers. Was a fun Fso for us again. thanks Cm's ,CIC's, Axis, and Allies for the event. We will see you all next week.. TUK151..
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Sorry Wooley. :confused:
NP - happened while we strafing the base and TBH I should have seen it coming and avoided.
I'd love to be able to say I've never done the same thing myself.
:aok
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"There seemed to be only slight damage to V base 12 and 13. <S> to the AXIS pilots that fought off the ALLIED attack there".
A single P38 hit V13. (no damage)
5 P47's hit V12. (A single ord bunker hit).
That's it, all frame.
EDIT: Apparently both these attacks were intercepted well before reaching target.
I will get with Hopper16, our single P-38 pilot and severely reprimand him for only killing two guns at V13. I mean he was the only one who managed to exit the mauling with bombs still attached, penetrate the enemy CAP, and make it to the target. After all that, you think he would be able to at least drop those bombs on something meaningful. :D Only two other pilots survived by dropping their ord. and exiting the area. They were 50 miles away and unable to help our single survivor.
The plan was good, but I think we should have stayed further away from the coast on our route to the target. We were not in position to defend ourselves.