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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Banshee7 on June 17, 2009, 09:31:31 PM
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I've never read up on Vista, and I always hear bad things about it. Apparently all of the new computers come with Vista on them. So, my question is: What is the difference between Windows XP and Vista? Pros? Cons?
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See Rule #4
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I dislike vista, don't ride Skuzzy's sack, and am not waiting for nor do I want Windows 7.
Did I just blow your flippin' mind? Vista clogged up my system, even with 8 gigs of RAM and a quad core with 2.6 Ghz per core. It just had too many unnecessary processes and treated the user like a child.
I'm not a rebel, I just prefer XP until they come out with something better.
I have ubuntu as well, if it makes you feel any better :).
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I see myself taking the plunge when we're able to purchase Windows 7.
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I've never read up on Vista, and I always hear bad things about it. Apparently all of the new computers come with Vista on them. So, my question is: What is the difference between Windows XP and Vista? Pros? Cons?
I'm having hell trying to play AH with Vista. Huge con.
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Vista works great on my laptop, but not on my fathers weaker laptop. When i first got the machine i had problems with warping in AH but it just went away and i dont know why. Now its a snappy lappy. Maybe it will be even better when SP2 gets available in my language in a few days... dunno.
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I only use my computer for gaming and web browsing. The only noticable difference is the GUI. Services can be disabled and the vista os runs fine. I'm quite content with vista on my computer and it has never crashed unlike my older computer running XP. I really don't understand why people hate on vista.
just don't ever buy a computer from manufacturers such as Fujitsu, HP, Compaq, or comp you find at bestbuy.
oh and on a side note. anti virus programs... Norton, McAfee, etc.
i believe these are viruses themselves. Running constantly in the background, difficult to remove, hogging resources, hate them and don't use them.
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I'm sure I'd be fine with Vista if I made a slipstreamed install CD for it. But, in that case, it would pretty much be XP.
If you leave Vista as Vista, it's a more resource-consuming, harder to support OS than XP. I mean, if I upgraded my hardware, I'd rather use the extra bandwidth and clocking on applications, not the OS...
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I only use my computer for gaming and web browsing. The only noticable difference is the GUI. Services can be disabled and the vista os runs fine. I'm quite content with vista on my computer and it has never crashed unlike my older computer running XP. I really don't understand why people hate on vista.
Because to make it run like XP, you shut down everything new, till it becomes XP. What is the point of paying for a new OS then and going through all the teething and adjusting problems? And just for the record, you pay for it even it comes already installed on your computer.
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I don't like Vista because I already have XP and "upgrading" is a waste of money. If Vista was free, I may have upgraded to it by now... but it in fact costs money to obtain Vista and for the money it costs, there's very little benefit to the "upgrade".
If I were getting a new computer, it would undoubtedly come with Vista, and I probably wouldn't immediately "downgrade" it to XP... I would see if it really was as fast as XP or not. A year ago I wouldn't have even tested it... I would have "downgraded" to XP immediately.
Its true that Vista and/or Windows 7 is the future... but the present is XP and I live in the present. Until XP is the past, not having Vista is just fine. XP ain't in the past yet. Won't be for a while.
All that said, I will probably eventually upgrade to Windows 7 and skip Vista entirely. That means I'll save a chunk of change over everyone that bought Vista. What will I have missed by skipping Vista? Absolutely nothing.
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What is the point of paying for a new OS then and going through all the teething and adjusting problems?
most vista "teething and adjusting problems" are user end..
any the point of the new OS is that it is no longer new, its current, its what everything is being made for now, and trying to drag XP kicking and screaming into the new stuff coming out is going to give you much greater problems than vista will.
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See Rule #4
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Vista is ok, I prefer xp like is in my laptop at work. Vista requires more power for lack of better terminology. Vista is real good at hiding things ( files, folders and what not) unless you are very specific in where you direct it to go.
Vista was supposed to be more secure, not real sure if it is or not. I have it @ home on my main computer that I play AH on. I noticed no real quality or playability issues with it vs xp. I'm told I was lucky. I'll take luck anyday I can get it.
Best I've been able to get os far as processes go is around 50. But I've no complaints so far.
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I have Vista ultimate 64bit, and i love it. installed OS, loaded programs and away i went. The only things i shut down to game are my AV and the side bar. seems stable, and runs everything i need it to.
NOT
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If you're a gamer/sim-er, there's only one real advantage to Vista and that's DX10/10.1..
Other than that, everything (as far as games and most software are concerned) will run faster on XP even using the same hardware..
Wingnutt, kudos to you for being a Vista Fanboi.. I can find no reasons to use it and went back to XP Pro SP3 after a few months of
using Vista.. All the questions popping up...Seriously...They should just have a setting for "I know wtf I'm doing" instead of having to
disable 100's of different options and processes which are useless to the above average user for the most part...
It's an absolute waste of money.. You have this notion in your mind about those of us who continue to us XP to cool or something..
That's preposterous... :huh If anything, you're the poser for buying into the hype of having what
Microsoft wants to you think is "current"..
Vista=The Windows ME of this era....
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On equal machines XP Pro is faster unless you turn off all the garbage that make vista... well vista. Vista is ok if your absolute new to windows. It has a lot of built in protection.
Windows 7 looks to be nothing much more than a relabel of vista at this point.
As for being cool to say one or the other, I leave that for the kids. I just call it like I see it. I currently deal with 10 vista machines at my shop and I hate each one of them. The new Laser I bought last year is a Trumpf 5040 ($1.3M). It is considered the cadillac of the laser industry ...... it uses windows 2000 as the OS. That should speak volumes.
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Vista=The Windows ME of this era....
I can't even imagine the experience you had with Vista that led you to make THIS claim. Vista is just a mild headache until you disable its overbearing security (actually, I only had to change ONE option to fix that, running the "Disable UAC" tool from msconfig). I've had NO problems with it (excepting the large install size, needed to repartition my C drive...). The depths to which Windows Multiple Error sucked is incomparable and likening it to Vista is what's preposterous.
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I can't even imagine the experience you had with Vista that led you to make THIS claim. Vista is just a mild headache until you disable its overbearing security (actually, I only had to change ONE option to fix that, running the "Disable UAC" tool from msconfig). I've had NO problems with it (excepting the large install size, needed to repartition my C drive...). The depths to which Windows Multiple Error sucked is incomparable and likening it to Vista is what's preposterous.
Not to mention its memory leak.................
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The new Laser I bought last year is a Trumpf 5040 ($1.3M). It is considered the cadillac of the laser industry ...... it uses windows 2000 as the OS. That should speak volumes.
As I remember it, a lot of military systems a re running on "Windows 98" (in quotes due to the obvious modifications they've done to it). Point being, they use what works, not what's shiny. Why would I be any different?
The point someone made up there about "dragging XP into the new programs" must not have been around for the Win98->XP conversion. People were still able to use that for everything until support was dropped for it, and even then many people stuck it out. Windows XP isn't a dinosaur, is still supported, and is still one of the leading OSes. We're not dragging it anywhere.
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Games usually run faster on Vista than on XP these days, on the same hardware. Then there is DX10 as Anodizer mentioned; the only reason I upgraded.
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Sorry Die Hard, that is just not true at all. I have a Vista box and have tested it with several games. On the same box loaded with Windows XP Pro, Vista performance is about 15% slower across the board. That is a dual-core Intel CPU with 2GB of RAM.
Llama and I worked on a Vista laptop for over 6 hours at the last CON getting it to run any game smoothly. We finally did. There is something inherently wrong with an operating system design which requires that type of expertise in order to get applications to run correctly.
The perception that Vista runs faster comes from those who had an atrocious installation of Windows XP. If you left any Microsoft operating system to its own devices, after about 3 years it would be a complete mess and performance would be abysmal.
People moving from those poor installations to Vista, would certainly gain performance. But then again, if those same people re-installed XP, they would, potentially, get even better performance gains.
Vista has a lot of design flaws in it which are being corrected in Windows 7. Windows 7 is the operating system Microsoft should have shipped the first time. I will be so glad when Vista is buried.
After 6 months of using it and not being able to print to a network printer, not be able to share files, not being able to run most of the Microsoft development tools without hacking the registry, not being able to install SP1,....I was allowed to get it off my computer. It was so nice to get back to work again and not have all the fraking compatibility problems.
The inconsistency of the experiences, from user to user, are a big red flag things are very wrong with Vista. Yes, it is just like Windows ME, in that regard.
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You're right, it seems Vista isn't faster after all. However according to Tom's Hardware the difference is not very big.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531.html
DX10 then seems to be the only reason to get Vista over XP.
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You're right, it seems Vista isn't faster after all. However according to Tom's Hardware the difference is not very big.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531.html
DX10 then seems to be the only reason to get Vista over XP.
That and with the 64 bit version the larger ram addressing......... and if ya think vista's bad check out xp64.... :rofl
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Sorry Die Hard, that is just not true at all. I have a Vista box and have tested it with several games. On the same box loaded with Windows XP Pro, Vista performance is about 15% slower across the board. That is a dual-core Intel CPU with 2GB of RAM.
Llama and I worked on a Vista laptop for over 6 hours at the last CON getting it to run any game smoothly. We finally did. There is something inherently wrong with an operating system design which requires that type of expertise in order to get applications to run correctly.
The perception that Vista runs faster comes from those who had an atrocious installation of Windows XP. If you left any Microsoft operating system to its own devices, after about 3 years it would be a complete mess and performance would be abysmal.
People moving from those poor installations to Vista, would certainly gain performance. But then again, if those same people re-installed XP, they would, potentially, get even better performance gains.
Vista has a lot of design flaws in it which are being corrected in Windows 7. Windows 7 is the operating system Microsoft should have shipped the first time. I will be so glad when Vista is buried.
After 6 months of using it and not being able to print to a network printer, not be able to share files, not being able to run most of the Microsoft development tools without hacking the registry, not being able to install SP1,....I was allowed to get it off my computer. It was so nice to get back to work again and not have all the fraking compatibility problems.
The inconsistency of the experiences, from user to user, are a big red flag things are very wrong with Vista. Yes, it is just like Windows ME, in that regard.
I wish microsoft would stop doing this crap to people :mad: I just got a new pc with vista 64...I do not like it one bit :mad: Microsoft should give everyone with vista a free upgrade to windows 7 :uhoh I no they will not :rolleyes: Selling crap to people that don't really no what there getting is BS... I no I bought it on my own and yes that is my fault... Microsoft needs more competition.. How much is windows 7 going to cost and when is it suppose to be out?
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I wish microsoft would stop doing this crap to people :mad: I just got a new pc with vista 64...I do not like it one bit :mad: Microsoft should give everyone with vista a free upgrade to windows 7 :uhoh I no they will not :rolleyes: Selling crap to people that don't really no what there getting is BS... I no I bought it on my own and yes that is my fault... Microsoft needs more competition.. How much is windows 7 going to cost and when is it suppose to be out?
Just upgrade to XP Pro.
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Just upgrade to XP Pro.
Just a little more money out the door...
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In the long run it would probably cost Microsoft a lot less to upgrade all Vista users to Windows 7 for free, than for them to have to continue pouring resources into supporting Vista.
Overall, it is still a fairly small percentage of the marketplace.
I could say something tacky about their bean counter CEO, but no point in it.
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Blow? possably, but not my mind :D
Your doing something wrong then, it should run smooth as glass on anything approaching those specs.
close/disable them? you know how? or did I just blow your mind?
if by better you mean vastly different than vista? its going to be a while..
Vista came installed with my computer, it was impossible for me to do anything wrong. I just turned it on and used it normally :). Yes, I know how to kill services and how to turn off the protective user crap, and I did. It was still slower than XP and just felt loaded down. Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it out of the box. At first I loved it, thought it was great, but the more I used it the slower it got.
And no, it wasn't from "those" sites. I am a virus free computer user :).
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Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it out of the box. At first I loved it, thought it was great, but the more I used it the slower it got.
Same thing with the laptop I helped my (now)ex buy. She loved it and wouldn't let go of it...for the first two months. Then she was begging for XP.
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The people that seem to think Windows 7 will the savior of PCs everywhere is missing the fact that Windows 7 is based on Vista. It will probably be even more bloated.
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What brought this question up is I will be getting a Dell laptop here shortly (so it's not necessarily for gaming purposes) and wanted to know things about Vista in advance. Thanks for the replies.
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What brought this question up is I will be getting a Dell laptop here shortly (so it's not necessarily for gaming purposes) and wanted to know things about Vista in advance. Thanks for the replies.
well the first thing you need to do, and probably one of the reasons so many people dislike vista.. is format that laptop and reinstall the OS..
pretty much any new laptop is going to come chocked full of GARBAGE.. and will run slow as crap out of the box, I think many people who's first experience with vista comes in this form, and they assume their brand new super fast computer is dog slow and full of problems because of Vista, when in reality its the other 48 programs that were pre-loaded on the machine which are slowing it down..
I guarantee, when you get it.. use it for like an hour AS IS, then format it and reinstall just vista, and none of the other junk.. it will be twice as fast.. at least.
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well the first thing you need to do, and probably one of the reasons so many people dislike vista.. is format that laptop and reinstall the OS..
pretty much any new laptop is going to come chocked full of GARBAGE.. and will run slow as crap out of the box, I think many people who's first experience with vista comes in this form, and they assume their brand new super fast computer is dog slow and full of problems because of Vista, when in reality its the other 48 programs that were pre-loaded on the machine which are slowing it down..
I guarantee, when you get it.. use it for like an hour AS IS, then format it and reinstall just vista, and none of the other junk.. it will be twice as fast.. at least.
I have another computer exactly like mine and to give vista another chance reinstalled it fresh. 64bit Windows Vista. It wasn't as bad as the first experience, however it just wasn't as fast or smooth as XP was on the same machine. Don't get me wrong, I didn't just try vista for a month and then threw it out. I used it for a long time, but got tired of having to deal with things that shouldn't be wrong in the first place and reinstalled a fast and clean copy of XP. Lots better.
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The people that seem to think Windows 7 will the savior of PCs everywhere is missing the fact that Windows 7 is based on Vista. It will probably be even more bloated.
Actually, although it is based on Vista, it has had some design revisions which makes it light years ahead of Vista. That said, it is still slower than XP, but it is also less bloated than Vista.
So far, and I am keeping my fingers crossed, it looks to be a much better operating system than Vista. I still do not like it, personally, as I still have yet to find a reason for all the massive changes in many areas along with the bloat. At least Windows 7 will work as advertised and be much, much better for laptops than Vista.
I always thought it near criminal that Vista came on a laptop, given what it does to hardware.
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Vista=The Windows ME of this era....
So True.
Before the service pack came out it took FOREVER to copy files from one location to another, UAC is a joke, and you should try network printing in a mixed 32/64 bit environment. (Trust me, you'll have LOTS of fun with that)
It was supposed to be more secure....its not. I clean bugs off vista machines as frequently as XP now.
I've transitioned through all the Microsoft OS's from DOS through Vista, and by far this has been the most painful learning curve. Its like somebody came into your home and moved 85% of your stuff around. Its still in there....but you have to search for it.
And the biggest question is: "Was there any reason for Vista other than marketing????"
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What brought this question up is I will be getting a Dell laptop here shortly (so it's not necessarily for gaming purposes) and wanted to know things about Vista in advance. Thanks for the replies.
you can order from dell and specify the xp "downgrade"
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With lots of processor and memory, Vista will actually run faster than XP on equal hardware. said amount of processor and memory is what is found on the typical mid range PC you can buy today.
Lots of people hate it, because that's whats cool right now, sticking with XP makes you some sort of hip rebel apparently. Even more people on here hate it, because Skuzzy is very vocal about how much he hates it, and there there is a 10 mile list of Skuzzy sack riders on this site, if Skuzzy announced that breathing was un-cool, it would equate to mass murder.
Vista (orignally) had less driver support than XP, this is no longer the case, in fact its beginning to swing the other way, before long finding XP drivers for the latest hardware will become and issue.
(orignally) man programs were not Vista compatible, again this is no longer the case.
Many people's distaste of vista seems to root to a "just wait for windows 7". But yet the same people will then say "Windows 7 is nothing but Vista SP2" go figure. so they say its the 2 are the same thing, but yet they hate one and want the other.
Vista is the future, like it or not, and its not all bad, and in fact has many great features, but its still not "cool" to use it apparently. Of course the people who rail against it are actually total posers, if they were real rebels they would be using Linux.
I find your post in the most part uninformed and the bold part to be uncalled for and I'm offended by it (as should all the other "sack riders") There is alot of ppl on this board that actually do know a thing or 2 about pc's and Os's. We dont all blindly follow Skuzzy like little schoolboys. Alot of folks on here are in IT as well. Personally I dont know any large corporation that uses Vista. Mainly for all the reasons previously mentioned here. There is a reason for that. I know at my company we will NEVER EVER use it because of all its issues Especially in regards to networking.
I can't speak for everyone here but for me personally I value skuzzy's opinion based on his knowledge and experience. There are very FEW people I can say that about in regards to IT and computers. It's not like he is some fly-by-night wanna be spouting crap. Skuzzy actually knows what he is talking about and when he doesn't know he goes and finds out.
He knows more than me and I know a lil bit about this stuff ( net +, Sec +, CCNA, working on CCNA/Sec). Ask him to tell ya why his screen name is Skuzzy, might learn a lil something
For the average pc user who doesn't "know" any better, Vista is fine for the most part because they don't "know". My wife's laptop came with vista on it :cry she loves it totally however once a week or so I have to get on it and fix stuff or make adjustments ect ect so that she keeps loving it otherwise my life would suck (if momma aint happy nobody's happy). I deal with the headach of vista cause she loves it and I love her soooo I deal with it...Vista is still a big pain in the arse campared to XP
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Geez, I hope no one blindly follows anything I have to say. I depend on people challenging what I say. I also do not offer an opinion until I have done my homework. It does not mean I am right every time, but when it comes to a technical overview, I am confident in my assessment. It wrong, I am also more than happy to admit it and apologize for missing the mark.
Of course, there will always be those who have to make the derogatory remark from time to time because they lack the talent or knowledge or skills to take the discussion to a technical level. I guess it is easier to make those remarks than to actually have a discussion about things. That is just a guess. I have a lot of respect for many people on this board. I also harbor disdain towards those whose arguments are nothing more than a personal attack on myself, or the community at large.
As it pertains to Vista, it is so good Microsoft is doing everything they can to kill it as fast as they can. That says volumes about the quality of the product. I figure Microsoft knows more about the operating system than any end user, including me. They seem to think it needs to be killed. I happen to agree. What are the odds?
At this point in time, it really is silly for anyone to be a proponent of Vista, given the fact Microsoft has all but said they made a huge mistake with it and are in a very big hurry to get it off the market.
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It's like my Grand pappy used to say "you can lead a horse to water but ya can't make it drink....no matter how hard ya try to drown the dumb thing" :rofl
He always used to like putting a lil twist to things
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DX10 then seems to be the only reason to get Vista over XP.
Not really since you can get DX10/10.1 to run on XP.
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