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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Dimebag on June 18, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
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which would you pick and why, or does it even matter
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Intel
1) Cost/performance ratio is better. Remember, Intel's current dual-core CPU's run faster per clock than AMD does.
2) There is a bug in the AMD dual-core CPU's we happen to hit. Purportedly, it has been fixed in the current generation parts, but we have limited confirmation on that still.
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Intel
1) Cost/performance ratio is better. Remember, Intel's current dual-core CPU's run faster per clock than AMD does.
2) There is a bug in the AMD dual-core CPU's we happen to hit. Purportedly, it has been fixed in the current generation parts, but we have limited confirmation on that still.
Definitely Intel, I have an AMD Dual Core, and the current drivers does not fix the hits you take when playing AH, ( only running in Windows 98 compatibility mode ), allows me to play at all.
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Sweet, Intel it is Thanks
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Definitely Intel, I have an AMD Dual Core, and the current drivers does not fix the hits you take when playing AH, ( only running in Windows 98 compatibility mode ), allows me to play at all.
what "hits" do you speak of that the current drivers of an AMD Dual Core, cause you?
I am using an AMD 6400 x2 3.2 gig dual core cpu and I suffer none of these.......
running it in WinXPpro 32 bit OS, I use AMD optimizer patch....and have zero problems, I experience no "hits" you speak of and I do not run it in any special compatibility mode
running it under Windows7RC 64 bit OS it runs perfectly without any special patches or special drivers..... the game is flawless currently .......
I have no arguement in regards to Skuzzy's post...people report Intel is faster and cooler....I simply think from experience that in the real world it all depends on what crap (software, bloatware, processes running )you have installed and how well your PC is built/put together.....
edit: I will say though, that my "built by myself" PC is perty dang fast and substantually cool........even though it is noted as a 125w Processor AM2
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Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...
Does it matter what name brand computer? Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?
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Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...
Does it matter what name brand computer? Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?
It's always better to build your own... Factory built systems are overpriced.. And the cheaper ones are junk using junk components..
They are basically throw away systems.. For something decent that is factory built, your are looking at well over $1000.00 or you could build
your own (or have one built) for approximately half of that..
What you get when you by a factory built system is computer that is usually of poor quality (unless you pay for something better) with a lot
of useless software (that you pay for) that you will never ever use... You will not receive any kind of OS discs, yet you'll have a "restore" partition
that more or less puts the system back to how it was the day you bought it.. Along with this restore, you get all those useless programs that even if you
uninstall, they still clog up your registry..
Talk to Till Death.. I hear be builds some good stuff.. Or, learn to do it yourself..
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Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...
Does it matter what name brand computer? Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?
2nd what Anodizer posted........also you should be looking at more than just the Processor and video card here is a small list of things to consider overall......- Case & fans & cooling ability
- Motherboard brand & features (inculding warranty)
- Processor & cooling fan/heatsink ( including warranty
- Power Supply Unit ( & warranty)
- VideoCard, cooling fan & memory type/amount of vidram( & warranty)
- Memory type & Brand & quantity -ie how many gigs refer to your OS requirements/game requirements(including warranty)
- Research thoroughly whether you buy prebuilt or build yourself or use someone like TilDeath
- I stress Research, research, research.........and asking alot of questions....and don't forget about PC Parts warrantys
try to allow for room for upgrades whether it be OS upgrade or pc parts upgrade.........
hope this helps..........
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my dual amd 64bit pc runs ok
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TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's. Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.
If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.
And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed. We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.
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TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's. Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.
If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.
And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed. We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.
Yes Sir, Skuzzy. I thought /wondered what OS he might be using since he did not mention it......
I did not know that about the Optimizer patch not working for all Dual Cores. However in regards to Windows 7 RC, I have not seen anyone in AcesHigh report they had troubles getting AH2 to run on their Dual Core AMDs......unlike Vista users having to use a compatibility mode.
I have been skimming the threads waiting to see anyone to post in regards to Windows7 32 bit OS using dualcore AMD processor....... I know their are several of us who are using the 64 Bit version of Win7RC and are doing ok.....
also, none of us have mentioned the Microsoft hotfix.that is reported in the stickyed post at the top of this forum....
thanks for the Headsup Skuzzy
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I found out that my E8500 + Gigabyte EP35DS4 board gets the spinning clipboard bug with XP if I enable the high precision timer in bios. With it disabled no spins.
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Thats pretty cool Ripley.
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Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...
Does it matter what name brand computer? Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?
The problem with a name brand computer is that when it comes time to upgrade they make it very difficult. The PSU's are just enough to power what's inside, the motherboard restricts options and they may use proprietary sizes or connectors. They are designed so that what you buy is what you get and when it's time to upgrade you toss that system aside and buy a new one.
If you can plug parts together you can build your own system. You need the following parts:
Case, pocessor, motherboard, RAM, power supply, video card, hard drive, optical drive, operating system and possibly a sound card, floppy drive and/or aftermarket CPU fan/heatsink (only if you want to overclock the CPU).
Assembly takes about 3 hours for a first timer or someone who wants to do a good job of cable management inside the case. Operating system install, programs installed and data transfer will take about another 3-5 hours depending on how much you have.
All parts are available on-line at newegg.com and tigerdirect.com. In the end you'll have a better system at a lower price which will be easier to upgrade when the time comes and when it does you'll know exactly what you need to do to get more out of it.
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TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's. Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.
If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.
And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed. We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.
I can validate this! Sure didn't fix my issue.
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I am using a AMD Athlon 64 X2 (KUMA) 7850 2.8Ghz and have the opitmizer drivers installed. I too had the dual core quirk on my new system concerning AH and had to use the Windows 98/ME compatibility mode on start up. This in itself did not harm my performance. My average fps is 68fps. That alone is a huge leap coming from my old system that is a AMD Athlon +1900 XP 1.6 Ghz. FPS was maxing out at 33fps on that system.
I have been told that the new AMD Athlon II has all those bugs fixed. I guess that remains to be seen. :pray
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- Motherboard brand & features (inculding warranty)
Ok I kinda half arse understand ram all that goody, but have not a clue about who makes a good mother board. Any tips? or vote, MSI P43 Neo3-F or Intel DQ45CB, or neither
and XP pro or XP home, does it matter any for a computer strictly to play AH?
Dime
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Ok I kinda half arse understand ram all that goody, but have not a clue about who makes a good mother board. Any tips? or vote, MSI P43 Neo3-F or Intel DQ45CB, or neither
and XP pro or XP home, does it matter any for a computer strictly to play AH?
Dime
I have one of the MSI Neo boards. Not sure which one but it seems to do the job. No issues so far. This is not a recommendation though. I just felt for the money at the time it was a good purchase.
Addendum: Have owned it and used it every day for 1.5 years. Showed it to my IT guy, when I had a job, and he liked it. He preferred intel boards though. Said it made more sense to have an Intel board for an Intel chip. I don't buy it but who am I.
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Ok I kinda half arse understand ram all that goody, but have not a clue about who makes a good mother board. Any tips? or vote, MSI P43 Neo3-F or Intel DQ45CB, or neither
and XP pro or XP home, does it matter any for a computer strictly to play AH?
Dime
Gigabyte probably makes the highest rated/used consumer motherboards lately. I've got an eVGA motherboard. Asus are decent.
If you're thinking about building post your budget and we'll give you some recommendations. Then decide for yourself what you think you like and post back here for a critique. We'll also tell you why we are recommending what we are so you'll gain some insight to help in your decision making.
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MSI, Gigabyte and ASUS seem to be the forerunners according to Newegg. However, by looking at the written reviews on all type of boards it looks to me 1 out of 100 MB's are DOA. Close to 5-10 MB's out of 100 die within 30 days. The variables on each motherboard regardless if it is AMD or Intel are too broad. Chipsets, onboard video (or not), cooling capacities, etc play a big part. Also, I would hazard to guess that a few of these MB deaths occur by sloppy handling by either the manufacturer or user. Always use anti-static devices i.e. straps, floor pads and so on. I cannot count on how many people have destroyed new hardware because of static discharge and their lack of protecting it from happening.
If you look at the reviews on NewEgg, you'll pretty much see the same stories on all brands of MB's. I have been reading on a few other sites from the "pro's" to stay away from Jetway. Not sure the story there....might look into that.
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Well there's no way I can put one of these together so Im leaning towards buying one from tigerdirect
That being said, Im looking at something like this link
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/configdetails.asp?Base=4165451
Since you can upgrade it before they ship, figured I'd downgrade to xp home(unless someone here tells me why not to), then up for the $135.00 quad core, 4MB ram, it's only used for AH so 80gig HD will be plenty, the ATI 1mb vid card, 500watt, standard 1 year warranty, for under 700.00. Thoughts?
Dime
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If you feel uncomfortable with a build I would recommend talking to Tildeath.I an a squaddie both have them an it is way better than any you can buy out there.He builds it for the game.I had a friend come over that thinks he is a techno geek.He had a so called custom an seen mine blew his outa the water.He wants Tildeath to fix his now.The quality ,parts an service are second to none.You wont regret it.
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XP Home will work fine. No problems.
No need to go to the quad core unless you do a lot of professional graphic or video editing. For AH you'd be better off upgrading to the E7300 which runs a 1066 FSB vs 800 for the E5200.
If your on a budget stick with 2 Gb of RAM. Windows will only see about 3.25-3.75 Gb of 4 if you put that in, then it will be reduced by your video card memory. If you added that 1 Gb card you'd only get 2.25-2.75 Gb out of the 4 you paid for. Don't go to the 3 Gb option as that takes the memory out of dual channel mode slowing it down. To remain in dual channel it needs to be installed in matched pairs.
Get the GeForce 9500 GT video card. at 512 Mb it will keep all your RAM in play. In addition, the clock speeds (core and memory) are generally higher on 512 cards than on 1 Gb cards and, in the end, most 512 cards end up outperforming thier 1 Gb counterparts.
Other than that I'd pick up a sound card and install it when you get the system. It will help take processing off the CPU and at 1066 FSB it will be a nice bump in performance. Buy a Creative X-Fi at a price you can afford.
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XP Home will work fine. No problems.
No need to go to the quad core unless you do a lot of professional graphic or video editing. For AH you'd be better off upgrading to the E7300 which runs a 1066 FSB vs 800 for the E5200.
I'll do nothing but play AH and maybe poker with this computer, but really duals would be better than quads for AH? I figured the more the merrier, especially since the new update is coming in...... 2 weeks :rofl
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Nope, dual-core is faster by virtue of the fact the clock rates of dual-core CPU's are higher than quad cores. The proper addage for most games is, the faster the CPU, the better the performance. More cores only increase the performance by a very small, inconsistent margin.
If you are willing to spend five or six hundred dollars on a quad core CPU, then you could get the same level of performance as a $190 CPU.
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Dimebag take a look at cyberpowrpc.com. Make gaming computers real affordable or go with TilDeath. I would avoid the dell's, gateways, etc.
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me an a squaddie run the q9550 quad w/4gig ram an nvidiagtx 280.it is totally awesome.T?ildeath built them an never run under 59 fr.if ya gonna buy a system talk to him first.ahII installed an teaked awesome system.cant match quality anywhere else.
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I just built me a new one:
E7400 Core2Duo (2.8GHZ)
9800GTX PCI-e 2 Video
4GB DDR3 Ram
All settings maxed out, 1024 Textures (Hi-Res), 1280X1050, 16XAA and all other settings for video set to the most 'pretty' settings... and all in-game settings maxed I see a consistant 60FPS under XP 32bit.
I see a consistant 59FPS under WIN7RC 64bit (It will do 60 if I change the refresh rate to 60, but for some reason when I reboot it reverts back to 59... it's still a Beta though).
I'm sure the Quad Cores are nice and all, but I personally wouldn't spend the money on it, especially on a system pretty much dedicated for AH. It's not like I'm doing 3D graphic work over here or anything.
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1280X1050
I meant 1680X1050
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I have AMD dual core and Vista.
After installing the patch I have no problems at all.
I have tweaked Vista alot so it's not much trouble.
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IMHO I would go with a whitebox build, do it yourself or have someone do it for you, really its not hard to build one, just have your homework done. I would also have a new computer that is upgradeable in the future.
Like others said, dual core would do what you want.
On the spinning clipboard, MY computer had a problem recently and I replaced the motherboard and CPU. I went from ASUS to Gigabyte, I used to have a amd dual core and i used the optimizer patch. I have a phenom triple core 8750, i have no problems running AH, also I don't use the patch.
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IMHO I would go with a whitebox build, do it yourself or have someone do it for you, really its not hard to build one, just have your homework done. I would also have a new computer that is upgradeable in the future.
Like others said, dual core would do what you want.
On the spinning clipboard, MY computer had a problem recently and I replaced the motherboard and CPU. I went from ASUS to Gigabyte, I used to have a amd dual core and i used the optimizer patch. I have a phenom triple core 8750, i have no problems running AH, also I don't use the patch.
cattb,
not sure if you overclock or not but here is a post I made to the Zohan, talking about where they stumbled across unlocking the 4th core and or unlocking 2 more cores on a dual core processor..........incase you are into this type of thing.....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264408.msg3296009.html#msg3296009
webpage links are in the post in the above linked thread.....
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cattb,
not sure if you overclock or not but here is a post I made to the Zohan, talking about where they stumbled across unlocking the 4th core and or unlocking 2 more cores on a dual core processor..........incase you are into this type of thing.....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264408.msg3296009.html#msg3296009
webpage links are in the post in the above linked thread.....
I wouldn't try "unlocking" it. He already fried a video card because he didn't research it beforehand.
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Late post, I did some reading on unlocking the fourth core, it seems AMD has plugged the hole in the BIOS, AMD has contacted companies so it can't be done anymore with ACC..from what i have read.(later model motherboards with updated BIOS) But my CPU is unlocked I have had it up 3.0.(from stock 2.3 or 2.4 don't remember).but I have it back down to stock , does everything i need as is for now.
Thanks appreciate it.
Cattb
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It's always better to build your own... Factory built systems are overpriced..
depends. if you are retired/unemployed/lots of spare time, and like building and fixing PCs then its most likely cheaper. someone posted their own build recently and stated a total of 2 days to spec/build it (which sounds about average). if those 2 days dont cost you anything then fair enough. For me those 2 days plus the components cost would pay for a better system than he ended up with, with a 3yr nextday onsite warranty.
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depends. if you are retired/unemployed/lots of spare time, and like building and fixing PCs then its most likely cheaper. someone posted their own build recently and stated a total of 2 days to spec/build it (which sounds about average). if those 2 days dont cost you anything then fair enough. For me those 2 days plus the components cost would pay for a better system than he ended up with, with a 3yr nextday onsite warranty.
Factory built has its advantages too, specifically if you need a new OS, the cost figured in for them is a bit cheaper than you building a machine and adding on an OS. Generally speaking in the $500-$800 ranges. Beyond that, the cost of parts you can save eventually make up for the difference. Warranties are nice if you're not that comfortable doing your own service, but generally down time is longer if you have to take it somewhere to get serviced.
For laptops (above $800), I'm a fan of extended warranties from 2-3 years. Getting replacement parts for bad motherboards etc can be quite expensive and hard.
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HP charge about £60 (~$40) for 3yr nexday onsite for desktops, its great (and faster) just having a guy turn up the next morning to fix it for you, just one incident in 3 years and its paid for itself :aok
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just built a new AMD 7750 X2 system . no bugs .. not even running the optimizer.. no issues