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Title: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 20, 2009, 04:51:07 PM
for fathers day And my birthday I am getting a turtle beach headset and a creative soundcard... :x

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=209&subcategory=669&product=15853

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826502011


         
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 21, 2009, 02:06:01 PM
anyone have either,and have an reccomendations on setting them up??or just plug and play.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 21, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
Don't use the USB connector for the headphones. It will generally bypass your sound card.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Hamltnblue on June 21, 2009, 02:32:56 PM
If the USB connector is like mine, it's just to provide extra power for the amplifier, not for data.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 21, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
In that case, plug it into a powered USB hub (like the ones recommended for use with joysticks) so that it doesn't tax your PSU.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 21, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
Congrats you lucky rascal!


My advice, do not play it through the USB port. If you do you will use more resources than necessary. Skuzzy explained once. Only thing I can remember is it's not good.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 21, 2009, 03:38:13 PM
That's pretty much what I said... :D
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 21, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
Thanke Getback,

Yea,I am replacing a USB headset due to resource issues possible in-game..

And I am hoping the refurbished one I get works well..

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=618&subcategory=637&product=17359

Got it half price
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 21, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
Thanke Getback,

Yea,I am replacing a USB headset due to resource issues possible in-game..

And I am hoping the refurbished one I get works well..

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=618&subcategory=637&product=17359

Got it half price

Ha, half price, even better!
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 21, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
I noticed in some reviews that some say it does not support EAX,and some reviews say it does..ummm..can someone enlighten me to just what exactly EAX is??
                                                                 Thanks
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Tigger29 on June 21, 2009, 09:31:43 PM
Guys.. you aren't understanding here...

They make two versions of these headphones... one type that plugs into the soundcard, and another that uses a USB Interface and is essentially a USB soundcard of its own.

The ones he's getting is the type that connects to the back of an existing soundcard.  YES IT DOES have a USB connector, but this USB connector is used ONLY to power up the amplifier, NOT to communicate with the computer.

I have the same exact headphones except mine DO use the USB interface however I have yet to notice any deterioration of computer performance in using them.. even before I built my new system.  They sound great.. they work great... and when I plug them it, it 'turns off' the onboard sound and engages them instead.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 22, 2009, 01:35:30 AM
Guys.. you aren't understanding here...

They make two versions of these headphones... one type that plugs into the soundcard, and another that uses a USB Interface and is essentially a USB soundcard of its own.

The ones he's getting is the type that connects to the back of an existing soundcard.  YES IT DOES have a USB connector, but this USB connector is used ONLY to power up the amplifier, NOT to communicate with the computer.

I have the same exact headphones except mine DO use the USB interface however I have yet to notice any deterioration of computer performance in using them.. even before I built my new system.  They sound great.. they work great... and when I plug them it, it 'turns off' the onboard sound and engages them instead.

That's why I posted this.

In that case, plug it into a powered USB hub (like the ones recommended for use with joysticks) so that it doesn't tax your PSU.

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EAX is a hardware based system used to present 3D sounds out of a 2-speaker system. Phase shifting from left to right and (if the speakers are in the correct physical positions) front-to-back sounds are processed through EAX.

Now, ANY simple output system will support EAX, meaning any headphones, any speakers. I'm sure what you read denying the EAX ability was based upon the fact that the USB-only version of these headphones has its own built in sound card that
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 22, 2009, 01:40:38 AM
Guys.. you aren't understanding here...

They make two versions of these headphones... one type that plugs into the soundcard, and another that uses a USB Interface and is essentially a USB soundcard of its own.

The ones he's getting is the type that connects to the back of an existing soundcard.  YES IT DOES have a USB connector, but this USB connector is used ONLY to power up the amplifier, NOT to communicate with the computer.

I have the same exact headphones except mine DO use the USB interface however I have yet to notice any deterioration of computer performance in using them.. even before I built my new system.  They sound great.. they work great... and when I plug them it, it 'turns off' the onboard sound and engages them instead.

That's why I posted this.

In that case, plug it into a powered USB hub (like the ones recommended for use with joysticks) so that it doesn't tax your PSU.

------------

EAX is a hardware based system used to present 3D sounds out of a 2-speaker system. Phase shifting from left to right and (if the speakers are in the correct physical positions) front-to-back sounds are processed through EAX.

Now, ANY simple output system will support EAX, meaning any headphones, any speakers. I'm sure what you read denying the EAX ability was based upon the fact that the USB-only version of these headphones has its own built in sound card that won't output EAX.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 24, 2009, 11:08:10 AM
Guys.. you aren't understanding here...

They make two versions of these headphones... one type that plugs into the soundcard, and another that uses a USB Interface and is essentially a USB soundcard of its own.

The ones he's getting is the type that connects to the back of an existing soundcard.  YES IT DOES have a USB connector, but this USB connector is used ONLY to power up the amplifier, NOT to communicate with the computer.

I have the same exact headphones except mine DO use the USB interface however I have yet to notice any deterioration of computer performance in using them.. even before I built my new system.  They sound great.. they work great... and when I plug them it, it 'turns off' the onboard sound and engages them instead.

I reviewed that headset a little more closely, i.e. I looked at the specifications. So I understand what you are saying. However, it raises another question. Does having a component, cell phone, headset, or mp3 player plugged into the usb port as a power source still require the use of the interrupts?

Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Tigger29 on June 24, 2009, 02:30:52 PM
No it doesn't use an interrupt, but it does draw from the amperage pool of the USB.  I'll use an example.. my TrackIR headset attachment has a wire for a USB power source... when I plug it in the computer doesn't even recognize anything being plugged it.. this is because it only uses the power/ground wires and not the data wires.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 24, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
No it doesn't use an interrupt, but it does draw from the amperage pool of the USB.  I'll use an example.. my TrackIR headset attachment has a wire for a USB power source... when I plug it in the computer doesn't even recognize anything being plugged it.. this is because it only uses the power/ground wires and not the data wires.

Excellent! See there Falcon, you are set.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 24, 2009, 05:44:31 PM
yea,,I am so ready to try it out.. :x

 They will both be arriving tommorrow.. :x

 I was hoping  to use the OB sound and then wait a day and try the sound card to see the difference,but OH well,cant have everything..

I will be doing an F-disc as my x52 has started uncalibrating again after a month of being perfect..I think when I did a couple of system restores it caused some sort of problem with the X52..Dont think I like system restore too much anymore,will just have to be very careful with what I adjust.. :)
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 24, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
yea,,I am so ready to try it out.. :x

 They will both be arriving tommorrow.. :x

 I was hoping  to use the OB sound and then wait a day and try the sound card to see the difference,but OH well,cant have everything..

I will be doing an F-disc as my x52 has started uncalibrating again after a month of being perfect..I think when I did a couple of system restores it caused some sort of problem with the X52..Dont think I like system restore too much anymore,will just have to be very careful with what I adjust.. :)

It's the stick. Replace the stick and use your throttle and rudder pedals.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: falcon23 on June 24, 2009, 08:54:14 PM
The stick was great until the system restores..not a problem ONE like I had for a year everyday,,
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 25, 2009, 01:38:49 AM
Like I said above, the X45 and X52 act strangely and die a slow, painful death when not supplied with enough power. That's why everyone recommends using wall-powered USB hubs with them.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Reschke on June 25, 2009, 08:04:05 AM
Short answer no that sound card doesn't do the EAX thing like it should. If you were looking for a really good sound card the ones being put out by ASUS or Auzentech are really good and have some nice drivers that don't have all sorts of clutter built into them. OR I can sell you an A3D based PCI card that I have had for 10 years...it is the card that would have put Creative out of business IF they weren't such a small start up at the time and allowed themselves to sell out to Creative.
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 25, 2009, 08:17:34 AM

I will be doing an F-disc as my x52 has started uncalibrating again after a month of being perfect..I think when I did a couple of system restores it caused some sort of problem with the X52..Dont think I like system restore too much anymore,will just have to be very careful with what I adjust.. :)

Falcon, you stubborn rascal. Let me reason with you here. Search the threads. Did you find any posts where there was a comparable problem with the CH stick?
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: OOZ662 on June 25, 2009, 02:55:38 PM
Nope, but they're, what, two to four times the price if you don't have anything to start with? I prefer just taking care of my joystick. :p
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 25, 2009, 08:13:22 PM
for fathers day And my birthday I am getting a turtle beach headset and a creative soundcard... :x

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=209&subcategory=669&product=15853

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826502011


         

I have both and both are excellent.  The X-Fi XtremeGamer is probably the best of the X-Fi line of Creative sound cards and offers great 7.1 sound.  The Turtle Beach TBS-2114 Earforce HPA2 5.1 Surround Sound headset has great sound for games and movies but not so hot for music.  They're comfortable too, wearing them for a couple of hours at a time without any discomfort. 

The only problem with using the Earforce HPA2 headphones with the X-Fi gamer is that you will lose 2 channels and sound will downgrade to 5.1 if you use the passover cables that come with the headphones.  The only way to keep the 7.1 sound is to unplug the headphones from the speakers when you want 7.1 sound or use the passover cables for convenience and live with downgrading to 5.1 and losing both side channels.



ack-ack
Title: Re: new headset and soundcard
Post by: Getback on June 25, 2009, 10:24:25 PM
Nope, but they're, what, two to four times the price if you don't have anything to start with? I prefer just taking care of my joystick. :p

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/j_flight_pro.html

Not that bad. He has rudders and a throttle so for 90 bucks and no more issues. Good way to go.