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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: l0newolf on June 20, 2009, 11:32:11 PM
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might be agood idea for LW just like the Graf Zepplin whos with me?
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Not me, the Germans never had an operational CV and the one you mentioned was never finished and became a Soviet target/test bed instead.
Some 109Ts did become operational, but they were pretty rare.
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might be agood idea for LW just like the Graf Zepplin whos with me?
Not I.
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Another thread that never should have been started. September cannot arrive soon enough.
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Another thread that never should have been started. September cannot arrive soon enough.
:rock :rock :x :x :O :aok
I do like all the easy kills flying around though ;)
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might be agood idea for LW just like the Graf Zepplin whos with me?
German did indeed have a CV during the last time in WW II. ( Graf Zeppelin ) . Allied forces did capture that CV and used that CV for target practice. Any bombs that they bombed that CV with didnt destroy it but torpedos from subs did. Hitler was planning to build bigger war machine that the allied forces had ( The CV ) It was a huge CV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin
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:rock :rock :x :x :O :aok
I do like all the easy kills flying around though ;)
dang I thought I had improved heaps
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The irony is strong with this one.
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German did indeed have a CV during the last time in WW II. ( Graf Zeppelin ) . Allied forces did capture that CV and used that CV for target practice. Any bombs that they bombed that CV with didnt destroy it but torpedos from subs did. Hitler was planning to build bigger war machine that the allied forces had ( The CV ) It was a huge CV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin
ya, it had one but it never went to sea under it's own power. Did you read the link you provided?
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ya, it had one but it never went to sea under it's own power. Did you read the link you provided?
Most of us know the answer to that one. No.
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ya, it had one but it never went to sea under it's own power. Did you read the link you provided?
If you did read what i wrote you will see what i ment. Did i say that they used that CV???? Nooooo
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4442/is_200703/ai_n18705174/
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sorry on the idea about it i just thought it would be a good idea now thast i know it wasent used im sorry 4 posting :salute :salute :salute
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Dont be sorry. :salute
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Be sorry.
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:rolleyes:
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If you did read what i wrote you will see what i ment. Did i say that they used that CV???? Nooooo
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4442/is_200703/ai_n18705174/
So what you're saying is the Germans built a single aircraft carrier and, according to the link you provided, it never saw combat. Therefore, neither the carrier nor the aircraft that were never built to go on the carrier should be considered at all.
Correct?
wrongway
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They were building one. They never finished it.
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Italians had one too, both did nada in the war as neither was operational.
Just because a guy had a bowel movement in WWII doesn't mean we should model it.
There are some guys who want a "German everything". Cut a swastika into your hair and let that suffice for now OK? The Germans, Japanese, Italians, British, Russians, French,etc. thought about , and even worked on, a lot of stuff, so did we, doesn't make it a viable WWII air combat sim addition.
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correct.. German did build the CV but the Graft Zeppelin didn't get ready before the war was over.
Many drawings of crazy planes and vehicles was on the drawingtable.
The Kriegsmarine (German navy) never had an aircraft carrier during WWII, but it came close. In 1935, Hitler deemed that the Kriegsmarine would build aircraft carriers. At this point in naval history, the battleship was still the primary naval vessel, and aircraft carriers something of a novelty; therefore, naval treaties concentrated on limiting battleship tonnage. In 1937, shipbuilders laid the keel for the 33,500-tonne Graf Zeppelin and launched her the next year. However, she was never completed. Herman Goering thought that the carrier would intrude on the duties of his Luftwaffe, and Admiral Karl Doenitz championed U-Boats over surface vessels. Such territorial fights and the increasing shortage of war materials led to her abandonment at 80% completion. The Soviets captured the Graf Zeppelin in 1945, but it wasn’t learned until 2006 that the Soviets used her for target practice and sank her in 1947.
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So what you're saying is the Germans built a single aircraft carrier and, according to the link you provided, it never saw combat. Therefore, neither the carrier nor the aircraft that were never built to go on the carrier should be considered at all.
Correct?
wrongway
Wrongway, wrong again.
The Bf109-T was most certainly built, and most certainly saw combat as a land based fighter. Don't give a hoot about carriers, but the A/C were there.
EDIT: Here ya go Bf109T of 11./JG11. This plane was shot down by Bud Andersen.
(http://www.sonderstaffel.org/Sonderstaffel/Graphics/Photos/Bf109T-2.jpg)
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Correct... Germany did have modified planes that can takeoff and land on the CV. Not many, but they did.... :salute
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Italians had one too, both did nada in the war as neither was operational.
Just because a guy had a bowel movement in WWII doesn't mean we should model it.
There are some guys who want a "German everything". Cut a swastika into your hair and let that suffice for now OK? The Germans, Japanese, Italians, British, Russians, French,etc. thought about , and even worked on, a lot of stuff, so did we, doesn't make it a viable WWII air combat sim addition.
Hey, don't be hatin' on the swastika, be hatin' on the Nazi swastika. I like the line about the bowel movement though.
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Wrongway, wrong again.
The Bf109-T was most certainly built, and most certainly saw combat as a land based fighter. Don't give a hoot about carriers, but the A/C were there.
EDIT: Here ya go Bf109T of 11./JG11. This plane was shot down by Bud Andersen.
(http://www.sonderstaffel.org/Sonderstaffel/Graphics/Photos/Bf109T-2.jpg)
I know. I got carried away overgeneralizing.
Weren't they based on the Bf-109E?
And, what do you mean wrong again?
:devil
wrongway
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A Bf109T from JG5 was the first Luftwaffe fighter to down a B17.
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There are some guys who want a "German everything". Cut a swastika into your hair and let that suffice for now OK?
good game...
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Well the 109T obviously deserves inclusion at some time. Carrier duty though? I will leave that to the AH braniacs to figure out.
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i think it is good as it is
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My vote...
Graff Zep? NO!!!
109s and Stuka from carrier? Hmmmm, maybe... The modified planes did exist...
But I seriously doubt if they ever flew from CV operationally... Or even trained for it...
Never read anything about their pilots preparations, or training for this role...
I think the squadron strength rule would probably apply here again?
RC
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Well the 109T obviously deserves inclusion at some time. Carrier duty though? I will leave that to the AH braniacs to figure out.
Why? They were extremely rare and functionally just a Bf109E.
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Why? They were extremely rare and functionally just a Bf109E.
At some time... As far as why? Let the 109 officianaods argue this point. It does meet inclusion specs right? If it does then it should be included at some time...
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At some time... As far as why? Let the 109 officianaods argue this point. It does meet inclusion specs right? If it does then it should be included at some time...
I'd put it at even lower priority than the Meteor Mk III, and that is saying something.
Only Bf109 that is urgently needed is a Bf109G-6AS or Bf109G-14AS.
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lol Ju87 off a CV...that sounds like it may be a little hard but possible...
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Be sorry.
:lol
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At some time... As far as why? Let the 109 officianaods argue this point. It does meet inclusion specs right? If it does then it should be included at some time...
Because the Me 109T is virtually the same as the E-1, with some minor modifications like an arresting hook, a device on the landing gear to allow for catapult launches and the wings increased by two feet to allow better lift when landing and taking off. Performance wise, it was virtually identicle to that of the E-4, the varient we have in AH.
In addition, only a total of 70 were made and after the Graf Zepplin was cancelled, the Me 109Ts were converted back to regular fighters.
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lol Ju87 off a CV...that sounds like it may be a little hard but possible...
The Ju87C-1 was equipped with a device hooked up to the landing gear to allow catapult launches from the carrier. Supposedly wasn't difficult at all to take off from a carrier.
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