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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: beau32 on June 21, 2009, 10:23:19 PM
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I noticed that the Lancaster has a few different bomb load outs like 4000 lbs with 1000 lbs and so forth, well I saw these and was wondering if maybe do the same to the B-25H. They show the different bomb loadoust of the B-25H. I know its a long shot, but would give a little bit more options to game play, and for those who would like to run missions. If anything though, would be some good gee wiz info for anyone who likes the B-25H.
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Red X's
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must be your computer, they show up fine here.
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http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2515 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2515)
I noticed that the Lancaster has a few different bomb load outs like 4000 lbs with 1000 lbs and so forth, well I saw these and was wondering if maybe do the same to the B-25H. I know its a long shot, but would give a little bit more options to game play, and for those who would like to run missions. If anything though, would be some good gee wiz info for anyone who likes the B-25H.
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/weapons-systems-tech/79119d1230656597-b-25-weapons-thread-1.jpg)
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/weapons-systems-tech/79120d1230656597-b-25-weapons-thread-2.jpg)
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I think the pics are "member password protected" from the boards they are linked from because I see a little red x too and when I go directly to the link I get a message board log in screen.
wrongway
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ah, sorry about that
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Anything to give me more options in my 25H gets a big :aok from me!
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I'd like to see 5" rockets available. As they were in real life.
B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.
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I couldn't help myself :)
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5" HVAR for certain. I think later in the war they were rigged to carry additional bombs under the wings as well.
What I REALLY want is the 6-7 AP rounds they carried.
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B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.
100% agree! I have never had the opportunity to fly with anyone else in one of these. The plane is great to fly, and a real challenge to fight in. I get people asking me all the time when they see me "What are you flying?" or "Is that a B25?".
If anyone wants to put a squad together centered around these, just let me know... Im game!
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Yeah the AP rounds would be awsome. And as long as they were limited I dont see them as being unbalancing. 6 or 7 rounds would enhance the game not unbalance it.
The thing is the B-25H is an effective plane when used in missions or with support of some kind, even if just support from other 25H's. To many guys take them up alone, fight them alone, get shot down alone, and then never fly them again. But you get a few fighters to support them and Ive seen 1/2 dozen take a town down in no time and then supress Gvs inbound.
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To many guys take them up alone, fight them alone, get shot down alone, and then never fly them again.
I take them up alone, fight them alone, get shot down alone... and get right back in and go back up in one... ALONE! :salute
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Yeah the AP rounds would be awsome. And as long as they were limited I dont see them as being unbalancing. 6 or 7 rounds would enhance the game not unbalance it.
Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless. :D
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Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless. :D
Heck they already whine when that happens. Seems people don't whine when I kill them anymore though, seems they are use to it. :D
Been killing poor ol' GVs since it's release, and on occasion planes.
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Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless. :D
This Wirbelweasel would then become an Ostieweasel again. :D Sniper against sniper would be fun! With that said I think it should be added if historically correct.
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Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless. :D
That's why I'd up an Ostie. From the angle they would come at me, they'd be down quick. But keep in mind, Rooks rolled about 8 IL-2's to the A173 spawn point. I shot down 4 of them in less than 45 seconds.
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That's why I'd up an Ostie. From the angle they would come at me, they'd be down quick. But keep in mind, Rooks rolled about 8 IL-2's to the A173 spawn point. I shot down 4 of them in less than 45 seconds.
I believe it Mash. The Ostwind was my first AH GV love so to speak. She is a long range killer in the right hands.
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Underwing HVAR's would indeed be great.
The ability to carry a torpedo, as was the historical case, would be a very good add to this plane
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Underwing HVAR's would indeed be great.
The ability to carry a torpedo, as was the historical case, would be a very good add to this plane
B25H carrying torpedos? Where?
Big difference between what they in theory could carry, and what they in fact did carry in combat. 5th AF got fed up enough with the 75mm cannon that they replaced it with twin 50s in the opening where the cannon had been. It was not a popular bird compared to the pure strafer B25s. I don't recall ever seeing an account of a B25H carrying a torp into combat, much less dropping it or hitting anything. I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either.
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B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.
You've never been to "Candy Mountain". I still have film of the Raptor/Karaya Candy Mountain B-24 Duel. 6 vs 6. Off of the Map in the South of Blatic. This was about 2 years ago. 6 Rooks and 6 Knights. Sometimes good things come out of boredom. "Candy Mountain" is one of those things.
Soulyss won it I believe (going off of memory). :furious No gunners were allowed, just us looping, turning, climbing, diving and shooting.
I won't mention too much about my "B-17 Fighter Sweep Candy Mountain Mishun". 12 single B-17's outbound from A41 to A45 on Baltic, each with 12 gunners. The object? Go OTD and shoot down as many you could while trying to fly or shoot, while tearing up from laughing. Especially when I was gunning for Raptor's barrel-rolling 17.
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I couldn't help myself :)
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B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.
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I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either.
PBJs had 10 rocket stubs and used the 5" HVAR. I don't know about B-25H use in the USAAF though. What we found out when the H was introduced in game was that the rockets would have exceeded the limit of possible weapons for a model, and that's why they weren't included.
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B25H carrying torpedo's? Where?
Big difference between what they in theory could carry, and what they in fact did carry in combat. 5Th AF got fed up enough with the 75mm cannon that they replaced it with twin 50s in the opening where the cannon had been. It was not a popular bird compared to the pure strafer B25s. I don't recall ever seeing an account of a B25H carrying a torp into combat, much less dropping it or hitting anything. I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either.
They did try rockets with them although I cant find a specific report of B-25H's having them in combat but I do have a report of the first time B-25's used them in combat & it is possible that the H's were used? Based off the first photo it looks as if that is Marsden matting the plane is sitting on. I would guess that would lead me to believe to a foreign deployment on an active combat base. As far as torpedo's are concerned the only info I have of them being used in combat is on the C model.
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They did try rockets with them although I cant find a specific report of B-25H's having them in combat but I do have a report of the first time B-25's used them in combat & it is possible that the H's were used? Based off the first photo it looks as if that is Marsden matting the plane is sitting on. I would guess that would lead me to believe to a foreign deployment on an active combat base. As far as torpedo's are concerned the only info I have of them being used in combat is on the C model.
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Lyric,
Problem is a couple of these look like field mods.
However as Stoney indicated, I'm pretty sure the Navy and Marine Mitchells carried them and used them in combat.
I wonder if HTC is ever going to overhaul the ords system to expand the loadout options and allow this?
Although I still want my 5 AP shells for the pumpkin chucker before we ever get rockets.
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However as Stoney indicated, I'm pretty sure the Navy and Marine Mitchells carried them and used them in combat.
As much as I would love to think that the B25's used torpedoes in combat, from the info I have been able to find they didnt. (The Navy B25's were called PBJ-1's by the way)
All of the the PBJ's in WW2 were flown by Marine bomber squadrons... and for those who havent been under a rock for the last 225 years, the Marines ARE part of the Navy... so I guess you "could" say they were Navy PBJ's. Just dont ever tell a Marine that if you are standing within arms reach.
Anyway.... back to the torpedo issue. In order for the PBJ to carry a torpedo, the bomb bay doors had to be left open, and a special frame put in place. The torpedo was actually slung under the plane... externally. While it was tested, and "may" have been carried by PBJ's on patrols... there is no evidence that any were ever dropped in anger during the war.
One of the articles noting this, is from CAF sources, and are from interviews of actual PBJ pilots who flew during the war. You can find it here:
http://rwebs.net/dispatch/output.asp?ArticleID=51
Its a great article, and worth the read just for the stories it tells.
The most accurate information that I have found is from the Navy's website. It says that "External carriage of a torpedo under the bomb bay, with the doors open, was also developed and tested during 1944." It doesnt state anywhere it ever made it into combat. Here is the article on that also:
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/pbj-1h.pdf
Again... a good read just for some "Mitchell" history.
So... the official verdict on the B25 carrying a torpedo in combat is 99% no... although it COULD.
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I wasn't referring to torpedoes. I was talking about the pics lyric posted of rockets on the B-25s.
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PBJ-1H had 10 stubs on the wings for 5" HVAR versus the bazookas mounted on the fuselage in Lyric's pics. I don't know if the USAAF variants had them.
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5th AF got fed up enough with the 75mm cannon that they replaced it with twin 50s in the opening where the cannon had been.
Like this one.
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They did lots of testing of different armament packages. The question is what was actually used in combat. That's where actual photo evidence of the use in combat is nice to have.
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I wish we had the radar range finder that the historical 25Hs had. Maybe an interface sort of like the ship guns, where you could right-click on the map to "calibrate," and you'd get a display like the naval guns showing range, etc. It wouldn't give you exact range to target, but would show you how far downrange your shot will fall at your current altitude, airspeed, and dive angle. I could even see this having the same accuracy problem as the historical system when flying over land due to the changes it altitude (say, the point on the map you use to calibrated is at 500ft ASL, and you're actually firing on targets at 1500ft ASL).
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I'd like to see 5" rockets available. As they were in real life.
B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.
I do that all the time. Maby that is why my casulty rate is so high.
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The 80th make it a point to get out and about in 25s when we can. Great fun to take em on the deck, with no bombs and play strafers. I prefer the 25C strafer but we usually have a mix of C and Hs.
One of my favorite photos of the 25s on the prowl. The shipping in the back adds to the atmosphere.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/3Formation.jpg)
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The 80Th make it a point to get out and about in 25s when we can. Great fun to take em on the deck, with no bombs and play strafers. I prefer the 25C strafer but we usually have a mix of C and Hs.
One of my favorite photos of the 25s on the prowl. The shipping in the back adds to the atmosphere.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/3Formation.jpg)
Sweet picture. :aok
In one of my books I have it shows pictures of an experimental flame thrower B-25 & I just can't seem to find it at the moment to post. It was dumped as unsuccessful,however it is interesting to see how so many differant attempts were made to try stuff out on this sturdy air frame.
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The H model is my ride of choice... and that is 90% of the time when I am in the air... I even dogfight in it! I prefer the 75mm for assisting in taking down towns and popping GV's. I also like having the better defensive guns... you would be surprised how many opponents casually glide in on my six only to end up facing 4 50's.
Unfortunately, the weakest spot on the 25 is its tail. The good fighter pilots can shred the vertical stablizers on a 25 in one swipe.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/B25Strafing.jpg)
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Whenever the D-Hog doesn't provide enough firepower on a strike mission I'm in a 25H. If the ordinance system was ever revised to fix the limitations so we could have rockets....
I wish we could set tracers by individual aircraft. The fountain of fire that erupts from the nose of the 25H is a thing of beauty.
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Whenever the D-Hog doesn't provide enough firepower on a strike mission I'm in a 25H. If the ordinance system was ever revised to fix the limitations so we could have rockets....
I wish we could set tracers by individual aircraft. The fountain of fire that erupts from the nose of the 25H is a thing of beauty.
You don't strike me as a D-hog flyer. Strange.
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If I'm flying Jabo strikes I do. However the 1A and 4 are my main rides for air-to-air.
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OK, for a second there, I thought you meant that that was you single fighter or something. Sorry, blond moment.
Well, good to know that isolation from AH2 hasn't throwen my internal compass out of whack.
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A good source of Marine PBJ info is-
http://www.vmbmarines.com/ (http://www.vmbmarines.com/)
The webmaster is very friendly and will gladly spend time talking about the PBJ's.
Here's an actual AAR from VMB-611 with them carrying 5" rockets
http://www.vmb611.com/reports/aar3.pdf (http://www.vmb611.com/reports/aar3.pdf)
This is how I wish our B-25C could be fitted out, note the pylons under the left wing, and the rocket rails under the right, plus the 6 gun glass nose! This is how all the original PBJ-1D's with VMB-611 were deployed. VMB-611 was supposed to be a night attack squadron so all the planes were fitted with the APS-3 search radar, but spent most of the time performing daylight attack.
(http://www.vmb611.com/images/mb1.jpg)
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I'd definitely like to see provisions hardpoints for external stores, options for both additional bombs and the 5" HVAR or (PLEAAAAASE!) Tiny Tims, which I believe were also fit to B-25s.
However before we get ANY of that, I want my 5 AP rounds for the pumpkin chucker!
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I want my 5 AP rounds for the pumpkin chucker!
What's so special about AP rounds? The regular 75mm HE will pop any tank in the game already.
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Yeah, but the AP will do it without a suicidally low and level or tricky vertical gunnery pass.
And from 3000yds out.
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Besides, maybe if we got the AP rounds GVers would stop complaining about the 37mm on the Il-2.
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Yeah, but the AP will do it without a suicidally low and level or tricky vertical gunnery pass.
And from 3000yds out.
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Besides, maybe if we got the AP rounds GVers would stop complaining about the 37mm on the Il-2.
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You imply that you actually take off in the B25....Strange. ;)
I just drive around popping stuff, no Wirbly looks that far down at their 6. :D
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Yeah, but the AP will do it without a suicidally low and level or tricky vertical gunnery pass.
And from 3000yds out.
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Besides, maybe if we got the AP rounds GVers would stop complaining about the 37mm on the Il-2.
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I am all for the AP. It will make every other plane obsolete as a tank buster. They say the Il-2 is the bane of there existance. I say once we get this, we prove them wrong. And in war, proving someone is wrong often means proving they have no business breathing.
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I'd definitely like to see provisions hardpoints for external stores, options for both additional bombs and the 5" HVAR or (PLEAAAAASE!) Tiny Tims, which I believe were also fit to B-25s.
Yes they were :aok Sadly it looks as if they only were used in combat on some D & J model 25's with this marine unit. I don't know if they would be accepted on our C version with no radar blister on the nose. :frown:. So at best guess we will never see them.
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What is a "tiny tim"?
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Sweet picture. :aok
In one of my books I have it shows pictures of an experimental flame thrower B-25 & I just can't seem to find it at the moment to post. It was dumped as unsuccessful,however it is interesting to see how so many differant attempts were made to try stuff out on this sturdy air frame.
Well the reason I could not find a picture is because there is none just this paragraph.
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What is a "tiny tim"?
A 1000 pound rocket.
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GIVE ME MY TINY TIM"S NOW!!!!! I must kill those damned wirbs.
BTW, I have a quick question not deserving of a thread of it's own. I see the RV-8 in the gunsight section of prefrences. But it isn't in my hanger. Is it a joke, or are we getting it?
1-2 postes for replys, I don't want to hijack.
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A 1000 pound rocket.
Actually, it was a 500lb semi-AP naval shell with a rocket motor strapped to it. That's why it had that odd 11.75" diameter.
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GIVE ME MY TINY TIM"S NOW!!!!! I must kill those damned wirbs.
BTW, I have a quick question not deserving of a thread of it's own. I see the RV-8 in the gunsight section of prefrences. But it isn't in my hanger. Is it a joke, or are we getting it?
1-2 postes for replys, I don't want to hijack.
It some times is enabled on some maps from time to time. I think there is other threads on this very issue.
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OK, thanks.
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Actually, it was a 500lb semi-AP naval shell with a rocket motor strapped to it. That's why it had that odd 11.75" diameter.
Stand corrected :aok I was reading of it's earlier design proposal of being 1000lbs or less.
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I believe the "Tiny Tim" was a 500 lbs Semi-Armor Piercing bomb with a rocket motor (developed at CalTech) attached.
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/tiny-tim.html (http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/tiny-tim.html)
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Well since this piece of ordnance seems popular here is all I have on it in relation to the B-25.
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(http://www.vmb612.com/images/612-1.jpg)
From the VMB-612 website; http://www.vmb612.com/index.htm (http://www.vmb612.com/index.htm)
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Is it me, or is that a black paint-job on that PBJ-1??? :cool:
May need to let Greebo or one of the other skinners know?
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Is it me, or is that a black paint-job on that PBJ-1??? :cool:
May need to let Greebo or one of the other skinners know?
Don't know if that one is black based off the link Baumer posted I would have to go with a dark blue colour? How ever I have already given an all black B-25-C & the pictures of it are in colour to a skinner already. :aok
You might want to remind him in the skins forum of it's desire to be included in AHII. Oh & it's not Greebo. :)
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Yes they were :aok Sadly it looks as if they only were used in combat on some D & J model 25's with this marine unit. I don't know if they would be accepted on our C version with no radar blister on the nose. :frown:. So at best guess we will never see them.
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Thats a J model 25 in that image. Top turret removed.
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That's a J model 25 in that image. Top turret removed.
No it is a D model the give away is the blister on top I think it is for an antenna of some sort. All J'S & H'S had it mounted on the bottom of the aircraft all C,D,& G'S had that blister mounted on the top.
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No it is a D model the give away is the blister on top I think it is for an antenna of some sort. All J'S & H'S had it mounted on the bottom of the aircraft all C,D,& G'S had that blister mounted on the top.
PBJ-1H radar was wing-mounted.
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PBJ-1H radar was wing-mounted.
Yes you are correct but I am talking about this the radio compass loop antenna as shown on this B-25h. I should have described it better last night than I did.
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Hey guys, didn't some B-25's fly off a carrier and bomb japan once? If so then we should be able to fly the B-25C off a carrier for 100 perks, once every 3 months, for a day.
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Hey guys, didn't some B-25's fly off a carrier and bomb japan once? If so then we should be able to fly the B-25C off a carrier for 100 perks, once every 3 months, for a day.
NO
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I was joking. I know it will never happen. Just wanted to post that, sorry.
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Lyric,
Guppy is correct that is a PBJ-1J, the scarf ring for the upper turret is clearly visible.
The B-25D were built in Kansas City, there were no major differences between the Inglewood California built B-25C and the D model.
Yes Stoney the VMB-612 B-25's were painted black. Both VMB-611 and VMB-612 were trained and fitted to be night interdiction units. However, VMB-611 wound up performing primarily day light attack, due to the lack of targets in their original deployment area and retained the 2 tone paint.
I will provide a detailed post later this evening to explain the various differences between the different "blocks" and models. It gets rather involved due to the Navy receiving PBJ-1D's late in the production run. The location of the "DF" loop is not an indicator that can be relied on when it comes to B-25 recognition.
In addition I believe only the PBJ-1J was modified to carry the "Tiny Tim" see the following link;
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html)
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Lyric,
Guppy is correct that is a PBJ-1J, the scarf ring for the upper turret is clearly visible.
The B-25D were built in Kansas City, there were no major differences between the Inglewood California built B-25C and the D model.
Yes Stoney the VMB-612 B-25's were painted black. Both VMB-611 and VMB-612 were trained and fitted to be night interdiction units. However, VMB-611 wound up performing primarily day light attack, due to the lack of targets in their original deployment area and retained the 2 tone paint.
I will provide a detailed post later this evening to explain the various differences between the different "blocks" and models. It gets rather involved due to the Navy receiving PBJ-1D's late in the production run. The location of the "DF" loop is not an indicator that can be relied on when it comes to B-25 recognition.
In addition I believe only the PBJ-1J was modified to carry the "Tiny Tim" see the following link;
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html)
Found a profile of said plane that I dug up. First time that I have seen a J set up like that in regards to the DF loop. One great thing about these forums you learn something new all the time. I thought the scarf ring may have been for the navigators position bubble that is on C&D's this made me wonder as to why no side windows on this aircraft for said navigator & hence led me to dig around further.
Granted it is a profile & they can be inaccurate so I am not sure about the colour of this plane? So in regards to Stoney's point of being black is moot in regards to AHII since it is a J model.
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5052/3333m.th.jpg) (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/3333m.jpg/)
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Lyric,
Here's one that will have you pulling your hair out! Look at this photo and notice all the annomilies on this PBJ;
(http://www.vmb612.com/images/612pbja.jpg)
This is a B-25D-30-NC (PBJ-1D) of VMB-612
Note the following
- NAA Factory tail gun
- Removal of the top turret
- Rocket Rails
- Factory side windows and guns
I've been doing a lot of research on the Marine PBJ squadrons so that's why I got into all this.
Here's a photo that shows the difference between the "factory" B-25C/D tail gun on the left, and the Navy depot tail gun on the right.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/twotails.jpg)
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It never ceases to amaze me all the things they tried on the 25's. Going back to my previous post it makes sense they put that loop on top with the Tiny Tim's there. If they launched the rocket it could have swiped it clean off or the rocket blast would have melted it being plastic and all.
I don't know how those guys squeezed in on that rear gun it is awfully tight i took some pictures of a couple of locally owned 25'J's here in Urbana Ohio & there is not much room to move.
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7572/picture001b.th.jpg) (http://img81.imageshack.us/i/picture001b.jpg/) (http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7094/picture002r.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/picture002r.jpg/)
This one I reached up with my camera & shot it through what would have been the rear gun mount if it had any.
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6196/0003828.th.jpg) (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/0003828.jpg/) (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9356/0003809.th.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/0003809.jpg/) (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5984/0003826.th.jpg) (http://img249.imageshack.us/i/0003826.jpg/)
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Baum,
Great site thx for the links. :aok
I really like the squad jukebox,wish we has something like it in game.
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What a great thread about my favorite plane in AH2.
I'll admit defeat on the torpedo issue (99% "no" is a "no" to me).
Re 8 x HVARs making the 25H overweight, couldn't that be compensated with by less fuel?
The bits of research I did indicated that some H's were fitted with up to 8x250 lb bombs in underwing mounts. Certainly this begs the weight question again. And no, I don't know if this was an improvised fitting.
AP rounds? Yes please!
ANIAPG-13A "Falcon" rangefinding radar? Yes please! While I couldn't find evidence (just the article reference in the link below) that it was used in combat it certainly was fitted to operational planes. Not many - maybe 10 - but being able to make hits on shipping out to 5000 yards would change the CV battle complexion. Perhaps as a huge perk to consume our unused bomber perks?
Link to ANIAPG-13A page:
http://www.riemarfamily.com/falcon%20in%20action.html
I'm not a fan of the "Changed ground vehicle damage scoring to greatly reduce the effect of tread damage in determining who gets credit for the kill" tweak in 2.16. I understand the reason for the change, will admit to tracking many GVs pre-2.16 and probably unjustifiably getting the kill credits....but in my thinking the change is a bit too radical. Tracking an armored vehicle and reducing its mobility is valuable, especially if it is the middle of a field. Could we consider dialing this back a little?
Again, great thread and great information presented.
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Personally, if the B-25 carried something in WWII that we don't have, then I want it.
This includes HVARs, AP shells, the 12x .50s in the nose, the top turret that could be locked forward to fire with the nose guns, the radar rangefinder thing, tiny tims, torpedos etc etc. (And that weird bazooka thing I saw earlier in the thread, just to throw a little eccentricity into the mix :D)
So, in conclusion:
:x :airplane: :x :airplane: :x :airplane: :banana: :banana: