B-25H Loadout

[waystin2]

Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless.

This Wirbelweasel would then become an Ostieweasel again.    Sniper against sniper would be fun!  With that said I think it should be added if historically correct.

[Masherbrum]

Hearing the Wirbleweasles whining when they get plinked from 4000yds out would be priceless.

That's why I'd up an Ostie.   From the angle they would come at me, they'd be down quick.   But keep in mind, Rooks rolled about 8 IL-2's to the A173 spawn point.   I shot down 4 of them in less than 45 seconds. 

[waystin2]

That's why I'd up an Ostie.   From the angle they would come at me, they'd be down quick.   But keep in mind, Rooks rolled about 8 IL-2's to the A173 spawn point.   I shot down 4 of them in less than 45 seconds. 

I believe it Mash.  The Ostwind was my first AH GV love so to speak.  She is a long range killer in the right hands.

[Mystery]

Underwing HVAR's would indeed be great.

The ability to carry a torpedo, as was the historical case, would be a very good add to this plane

[Guppy35]

Underwing HVAR's would indeed be great.

The ability to carry a torpedo, as was the historical case, would be a very good add to this plane

B25H carrying torpedos?  Where?

Big difference between what they in theory could carry, and what they in fact did carry in combat.  5th AF got fed up enough with the 75mm cannon that they replaced it with twin 50s in the opening where the cannon had been.  It was not a popular bird compared to the pure strafer B25s.  I don't recall ever seeing an account of a B25H carrying a torp into combat, much less dropping it or hitting anything.  I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either. 

[Masherbrum]

B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.

You've never been to "Candy Mountain".   I still have film of the Raptor/Karaya Candy Mountain B-24 Duel.   6 vs 6.   Off of the Map in the South of Blatic.   This was about 2 years ago.   6 Rooks and 6 Knights.   Sometimes good things come out of boredom.   "Candy Mountain" is one of those things.   

Soulyss won it I believe (going off of memory).     No gunners were allowed, just us looping, turning, climbing, diving and shooting. 

I won't mention too much about my "B-17 Fighter Sweep Candy Mountain Mishun".   12 single B-17's outbound from A41 to A45 on Baltic, each with 12 gunners.   The object?   Go OTD and shoot down as many you could while trying to fly or shoot, while tearing up from laughing.   Especially when I was gunning for Raptor's barrel-rolling 17.

[StokesAk]

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[Saxman]

B-25H? A great airplane. The problem is getting a group together to fly them, since they dont go 400mph and you might actually be forced to fight it out in them.

[LLogann]

 

[Stoney]

I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either.

PBJs had 10 rocket stubs and used the 5" HVAR.  I don't know about B-25H use in the USAAF though.  What we found out when the H was introduced in game was that the rockets would have exceeded the limit of possible weapons for a model, and that's why they weren't included.

[lyric1]

B25H carrying torpedo's?  Where?

Big difference between what they in theory could carry, and what they in fact did carry in combat.  5Th AF got fed up enough with the 75mm cannon that they replaced it with twin 50s in the opening where the cannon had been.  It was not a popular bird compared to the pure strafer B25s.  I don't recall ever seeing an account of a B25H carrying a torp into combat, much less dropping it or hitting anything.  I can't say I've seen much photo evidence of rockets being used either. 

They did try rockets with them although I cant find a specific report of B-25H's having them in combat but I do have a report of the first time B-25's used them in combat & it is possible that the H's were used? Based off the first photo it looks as if that is Marsden matting the plane is sitting on. I would guess that would lead me to believe to a foreign deployment on an active combat base. As far as torpedo's are concerned the only info I have of them being used in combat is on the C model.

[Saxman]

They did try rockets with them although I cant find a specific report of B-25H's having them in combat but I do have a report of the first time B-25's used them in combat & it is possible that the H's were used? Based off the first photo it looks as if that is Marsden matting the plane is sitting on. I would guess that would lead me to believe to a foreign deployment on an active combat base. As far as torpedo's are concerned the only info I have of them being used in combat is on the C model.

Lyric,

Problem is a couple of these look like field mods.

However as Stoney indicated, I'm pretty sure the Navy and Marine Mitchells carried them and used them in combat.

I wonder if HTC is ever going to overhaul the ords system to expand the loadout options and allow this?

Although I still want my 5 AP shells for the pumpkin chucker before we ever get rockets.

[AKP]

However as Stoney indicated, I'm pretty sure the Navy and Marine Mitchells carried them and used them in combat.

As much as I would love to think that the B25's used torpedoes in combat, from the info I have been able to find they didnt.  (The Navy B25's were called PBJ-1's by the way) 

All of the the PBJ's in WW2 were flown by Marine bomber squadrons... and for those who havent been under a rock for the last 225 years, the Marines ARE part of the Navy... so I guess you "could" say they were Navy PBJ's.  Just dont ever tell a Marine that if you are standing within arms reach.

Anyway.... back to the torpedo issue.  In order for the PBJ to carry a torpedo, the bomb bay doors had to be left open, and a special frame put in place.  The torpedo was actually slung under the plane... externally.  While it was tested, and "may" have been carried by PBJ's on patrols... there is no evidence that any were ever dropped in anger during the war. 

One of the articles noting this, is from CAF sources, and are from interviews of actual PBJ pilots who flew during the war.  You can find it here:

http://rwebs.net/dispatch/output.asp?ArticleID=51

Its a great article, and worth the read just for the stories it tells.

The most accurate information that I have found is from the Navy's website.  It says that "External carriage of a torpedo under the bomb bay, with the doors open, was also developed and tested during 1944."  It doesnt state anywhere it ever made it into combat.  Here is the article on that also:

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/pbj-1h.pdf

Again... a good read just for some "Mitchell" history.

So... the official verdict on the B25 carrying a torpedo in combat is 99% no... although it COULD.

[Saxman]

I wasn't referring to torpedoes. I was talking about the pics lyric posted of rockets on the B-25s.

[Stoney]

PBJ-1H had 10 stubs on the wings for 5" HVAR versus the bazookas mounted on the fuselage in Lyric's pics.  I don't know if the USAAF variants had them.