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Title: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: MachFly on June 24, 2009, 07:41:13 PM
I'm not sure where this topic goes, but i guess it could always be moved to the right spot.

How do you stop the Don't move your controls so rapidly sign? Because I noticed I always lose my perk planes when it comes up.
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Shuffler on June 24, 2009, 07:44:36 PM
Your stick is probably spiking..... try increasing your dead zone.
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Captfish on June 24, 2009, 07:45:57 PM
I suggest you not move your controls so rapidly, then you won't get the message  :D
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Lusche on June 24, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
By adjusting deadband and / or dampening on your control axis.

Go to Map Controller, select an axis and click "advanced". Move your stick and watch what happens at "raw" and "scaled" to identify the problem.
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 24, 2009, 07:49:36 PM
Well if you were the one in the tempest last night that was being chased by my 190.
then I'd suggest not moving your controls so rapidly LOL
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Forker on June 24, 2009, 08:01:19 PM
Throw away your gear and invest in CH products.........
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Sunka on June 24, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Stop stick stirring.

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Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Dream Child on June 24, 2009, 09:07:25 PM
Throw away your gear and invest in CH products.........

+1
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Dream Child on June 24, 2009, 09:08:37 PM
Stop stick stirring.

+2
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 24, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
I'm not sure where this topic goes, but i guess it could always be moved to the right spot.

How do you stop the Don't move your controls so rapidly sign? Because I noticed I always lose my perk planes when it comes up.

In a lot cases that error message is a pretty good indicator that there maybe something wrong with your controls.  It could be something as simple as the calibration going south or a hardware failure (potentiometers failing).  First thing to check is to make sure that your stick is properly calibrated in Windows.  Next, calibrate it in Aces High.  

Now, in Aces High there are two places where you calibrate your controls.  The basic calibration in AH allows you to calibrate all of your controls and the second calibration allows you to calibrate the individual axis of your controls.  It is not necessary to use both calibration methods in Aces High, the basic method is sufficient enough but I like the ability to calibrate the individual axis so that's the method I prefer to use.  I will add that it is important to calibrate your controls in AH after you've calibrated the controls in Windows.


Basic method to calibrate in AH
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Calibrate Joystick

Advanced Method
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Map Controllers --> Select Axis to calibrate --> Click on 'Calibrate Axis' button


If you still get that error message after you've properly calibrated in Windows and AH, then look at your stick scaling.  Sometimes an improperly set stick scale can cause those errors.  Also, try increasing the deadbands.  Increasing damping really won't fix it as all that does is increase/decrease the amount of 'stick' force needed to move your controls.  

If you still get the error message after trying all the above, it's time to seriously start looking at your hardware as the culprit.  If you have a USB controller, make sure that you're using a powered USB hub.  If you are using a powered USB hub, make sure that the hub is outputting sufficient voltage to power your USB devices.  The voltage is a standard 5volts.

Next, check the potentiometers.  When a potentiometer starts to go bad, dead spots often appear and this is what causes (in most cases) the error message.  When you are moving your controls and encounter a dead spot, the signals jump (signals are represented as numeric values, so when you move the numbers go up...1,2,3,4, etc.  When there is a dead spot, it looks like this 1,2,3,4,75,76,78,etc.) and the game is thinking you're moving your controls too fast that the game cannot receive the proper data because the game sees the signals going from one number and then skipping a bunch and then settling down and the game tells you to slow your control movement so the data won't get lost.

Anyway, that's a layman's description of it.  Hope this helps.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: morfiend on June 24, 2009, 10:57:47 PM
In a lot cases that error message is a pretty good indicator that there maybe something wrong with your controls.  It could be something as simple as the calibration going south or a hardware failure (potentiometers failing).  First thing to check is to make sure that your stick is properly calibrated in Windows.  Next, calibrate it in Aces High.  

Now, in Aces High there are two places where you calibrate your controls.  The basic calibration in AH allows you to calibrate all of your controls and the second calibration allows you to calibrate the individual axis of your controls.  It is not necessary to use both calibration methods in Aces High, the basic method is sufficient enough but I like the ability to calibrate the individual axis so that's the method I prefer to use.  I will add that it is important to calibrate your controls in AH after you've calibrated the controls in Windows.


Basic method to calibrate in AH
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Calibrate Joystick

Advanced Method
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Map Controllers --> Select Axis to calibrate --> Click on 'Calibrate Axis' button


If you still get that error message after you've properly calibrated in Windows and AH, then look at your stick scaling.  Sometimes an improperly set stick scale can cause those errors.  Also, try increasing the deadbands.  Increasing damping really won't fix it as all that does is increase/decrease the amount of 'stick' force needed to move your controls.  

If you still get the error message after trying all the above, it's time to seriously start looking at your hardware as the culprit.  If you have a USB controller, make sure that you're using a powered USB hub.  If you are using a powered USB hub, make sure that the hub is outputting sufficient voltage to power your USB devices.  The voltage is a standard 5volts.

Next, check the potentiometers.  When a potentiometer starts to go bad, dead spots often appear and this is what causes (in most cases) the error message.  When you are moving your controls and encounter a dead spot, the signals jump (signals are represented as numeric values, so when you move the numbers go up...1,2,3,4, etc.  When there is a dead spot, it looks like this 1,2,3,4,75,76,78,etc.) and the game is thinking you're moving your controls too fast that the game cannot receive the proper data because the game sees the signals going from one number and then skipping a bunch and then settling down and the game tells you to slow your control movement so the data won't get lost.

Anyway, that's a layman's description of it.  Hope this helps.

ack-ack

Great stuff Ack,should be stickied... :aok

   :salute
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Masherbrum on June 24, 2009, 11:07:22 PM
In a lot cases that error message is a pretty good indicator that there maybe something wrong with your controls.  It could be something as simple as the calibration going south or a hardware failure (potentiometers failing).  First thing to check is to make sure that your stick is properly calibrated in Windows.  Next, calibrate it in Aces High.  

Now, in Aces High there are two places where you calibrate your controls.  The basic calibration in AH allows you to calibrate all of your controls and the second calibration allows you to calibrate the individual axis of your controls.  It is not necessary to use both calibration methods in Aces High, the basic method is sufficient enough but I like the ability to calibrate the individual axis so that's the method I prefer to use.  I will add that it is important to calibrate your controls in AH after you've calibrated the controls in Windows.


Basic method to calibrate in AH
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Calibrate Joystick

Advanced Method
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Map Controllers --> Select Axis to calibrate --> Click on 'Calibrate Axis' button


If you still get that error message after you've properly calibrated in Windows and AH, then look at your stick scaling.  Sometimes an improperly set stick scale can cause those errors.  Also, try increasing the deadbands.  Increasing damping really won't fix it as all that does is increase/decrease the amount of 'stick' force needed to move your controls.  

If you still get the error message after trying all the above, it's time to seriously start looking at your hardware as the culprit.  If you have a USB controller, make sure that you're using a powered USB hub.  If you are using a powered USB hub, make sure that the hub is outputting sufficient voltage to power your USB devices.  The voltage is a standard 5volts.

Next, check the potentiometers.  When a potentiometer starts to go bad, dead spots often appear and this is what causes (in most cases) the error message.  When you are moving your controls and encounter a dead spot, the signals jump (signals are represented as numeric values, so when you move the numbers go up...1,2,3,4, etc.  When there is a dead spot, it looks like this 1,2,3,4,75,76,78,etc.) and the game is thinking you're moving your controls too fast that the game cannot receive the proper data because the game sees the signals going from one number and then skipping a bunch and then settling down and the game tells you to slow your control movement so the data won't get lost.

Anyway, that's a layman's description of it.  Hope this helps.

ack-ack

Check your PM's bro!   :rock
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: waystin2 on June 25, 2009, 08:42:22 AM
Your stick is probably spiking..... try increasing your dead zone.

This worked for me.  I see the message a lot less now. 
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: usvi on June 25, 2009, 09:49:36 AM
I suggest you not move your controls so rapidly, then you won't get the message  :D
Ya think? :D
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: MachFly on June 26, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
thanks
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Swatch on August 16, 2009, 06:36:13 PM
I know this is an old topic, but I'd rather drag it up than start a new one.

It seems to me that since the new patches, I've been disabled by this alert quite often.   I'm not sure if anything was done to change the previous behaviour, but it's happening on average 4-5 times per week now and in the past it was more like once per couple months.

Perhaps HTC could make it so that if you turned off auto-trim after it freezes your controls, you'd regain control of the airplane.
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: The Fugitive on August 16, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
its a punishment for trying to flipflop around by "moving your controls to rapidly" Why would he want to remove the punishment?

By yanking your stick around he can't make your eyeballs fall out, so instead he just locks your controls. Easiest fix it to NOT move your controls so quickly  :D  Yanking on the stick burns "E" to fast anyway, moving it smooth is best.
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Shuffler on August 16, 2009, 07:01:52 PM
or fresh calibrate your controls
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: rabbidrabbit on August 16, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
I'm not sure where this topic goes, but i guess it could always be moved to the right spot.

How do you stop the Don't move your controls so rapidly sign? Because I noticed I always lose my perk planes when it comes up.

I had a similar issue but it went away when I stopped spanking while in flight.  Maybe that will help?
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Sunka on August 17, 2009, 02:23:39 AM
its a punishment for trying to flipflop around by "moving your controls to rapidly" Why would he want to remove the punishment?

By yanking your stick around he can't make your eyeballs fall out, so instead he just locks your controls. Easiest fix it to NOT move your controls so quickly  :D  Yanking on the stick burns "E" to fast anyway, moving it smooth is best.
+1 ,Doing the funky chicken is not good for anyone

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Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: themaj on August 17, 2009, 06:20:00 AM
I used to get this message with the logitech x3d, but it mysteriously went away when I got CH gear.  :noid  :rock
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: mbailey on August 17, 2009, 01:51:16 PM
Well if you were the one in the tempest last night that was being chased by my 190.
then I'd suggest not moving your controls so rapidly LOL

If you knew Machfly, you would know that he can be found in his Spit 14, or F4u Ive never really seen him in a Tempy. I swear the man is trying to find a way to power his car via a Merlin or Griffon engine. And dont get me started on the look on his face this year when we met at the Reading Airshow, and he saw the Griffon powered Spitfire there.
I swear before my maker that he got tunnell vision, the spit started to glow brightly and he heard Angels singing  LOL

FYI Drediock If i knew it was you behind me, i just may stir it a little myself  LOL  <S>


<S>
Mbailey


Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Noir on August 18, 2009, 05:00:05 AM
Anyone knows a place in europe where I can buy CH fighterstick potentiometers ?
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: phatzo on August 18, 2009, 05:32:26 AM
Anyone knows a place in europe where I can buy CH fighterstick potentiometers ?
try e-bay its available shipped to Oz via USA
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Noir on August 18, 2009, 05:40:26 AM
try e-bay its available shipped to Oz via USA

I'm in france that doesn't help lol
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: TequilaChaser on August 18, 2009, 07:46:16 AM
In a lot cases that error message is a pretty good indicator that there maybe something wrong with your controls.  It could be something as simple as the calibration going south or a hardware failure (potentiometers failing).  First thing to check is to make sure that your stick is properly calibrated in Windows.  Next, calibrate it in Aces High.  

Now, in Aces High there are two places where you calibrate your controls.  The basic calibration in AH allows you to calibrate all of your controls and the second calibration allows you to calibrate the individual axis of your controls.  It is not necessary to use both calibration methods in Aces High, the basic method is sufficient enough but I like the ability to calibrate the individual axis so that's the method I prefer to use.  I will add that it is important to calibrate your controls in AH after you've calibrated the controls in Windows.


Basic method to calibrate in AH
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Calibrate Joystick

Advanced Method
Clipboard --> Options --> Controls --> Map Controllers --> Select Axis to calibrate --> Click on 'Calibrate Axis' button


If you still get that error message after you've properly calibrated in Windows and AH, then look at your stick scaling.  Sometimes an improperly set stick scale can cause those errors.  Also, try increasing the deadbands.  Increasing damping really won't fix it as all that does is increase/decrease the amount of 'stick' force needed to move your controls.  

If you still get the error message after trying all the above, it's time to seriously start looking at your hardware as the culprit.  If you have a USB controller, make sure that you're using a powered USB hub.  If you are using a powered USB hub, make sure that the hub is outputting sufficient voltage to power your USB devices.  The voltage is a standard 5volts.

Next, check the potentiometers.  When a potentiometer starts to go bad, dead spots often appear and this is what causes (in most cases) the error message.  When you are moving your controls and encounter a dead spot, the signals jump (signals are represented as numeric values, so when you move the numbers go up...1,2,3,4, etc.  When there is a dead spot, it looks like this 1,2,3,4,75,76,78,etc.) and the game is thinking you're moving your controls too fast that the game cannot receive the proper data because the game sees the signals going from one number and then skipping a bunch and then settling down and the game tells you to slow your control movement so the data won't get lost.

Anyway, that's a layman's description of it.  Hope this helps.

ack-ack

as morfiend posted, this would be a good write-up to have Murdr put on the Trainers website, Ack-Ack........

very informative..........
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Wreked on August 18, 2009, 09:33:24 AM
Like the "Check 6" call you can send with the ' (apostrophe key) it would be great to have a "Don't move your controls so fast" key to send to enemies that just WON'T hold still for you to kill them!!

....need all the help I can get eh! :D
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: PewterC5 on August 18, 2009, 11:11:40 AM
I had a similar issue but it went away when I stopped spanking while in flight.  Maybe that will help?

 :rofl
Title: Re: Don't move your controls so rapidly
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 18, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
I'm in france that doesn't help lol

You can always see if you can get the potentiomers directly from the manufacturer.

CTS Potentiometers (http://www.ctscorp.com/components/potentiometers.htm).  I believe these guys are still the manufacturers that CH uses, at least they were during my time at CH.


ack-ack