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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on July 08, 2009, 02:09:08 PM
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OK, I'll take the initiative and put in the work to run this.
Sign up here by midnight Central Daylight Time Sunday, July 19 to be included. I will post the first bracket on Monday, July 20 and the tourney will begin as soon as it is posted.
Rules:
- Brackets will be determined by random draw of names out of a hat (or other convenient container :) ).
- If there are odd numbers of players I will work them into the brackets although they may have to fly more or less rounds than other players. They will be those chosen last in the random draw.
- Duels must be arranged between the players by PM, IM, e-mail or other means to take place by midnight CDT Sunday following each bracket update (6 days).
- Duels will be best of three.
- First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft. This will be done individually for each set of duelers.
- The loser of each duel selects the aircraft for the next duel. This allows the loser to pick his/her best aircraft to get back into contention and if it goes three rounds each player will have had one plane selection.
- All duels will take place in the DA canyon area.
- All duels will be 25% fuel loadout with players choice of gun package and convergence.
- All merges will be guns cold.
- All merges will be co-alt at 10K until within 3K distance at which point a merge break can begin.
- Anything goes after the initial merge.
- In the case of a draw (both run out of fuel for instance) that duel will be re-fought using the same aircraft.
- Both players will film all duels in case of a dispute. (I need 3 volunteers to potentially review films and serve as a dispute committee)
- The losing player will post in this thread after the duel series in the following format:
Plane - Winner
Plane - Winner
Plane - Winner (if needed)
- This information must be posted by no later than 12:00 midnight Central Daylight Time Sunday following the posting of the updated bracket so that I can get the brackets updated and re-posted on Monday.
- If a player does not show within 15 minutes of the arranged time they forfiet the series. In that case the winner by default must post a screenshot of the DA roster showing that the opponent is a no show no later than 12:00 midnight CDT Sunday following posting of the updated bracket.
- If a duel cannot be arranged between the players or nothing has been posted regarding results in the alloted time one player will be selected by random draw to advance to the next round.
- The initial bracket will be posted on Monday, July 20 and each Monday thereafter until a winner has been determined.
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Oh, and BTW, I'm in.
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Aw what the hell, I'm in too.
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I'm in!
"First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft. This will be done individually for each set of duelers."
How is that going to work exactly?
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A sharp pointy dart.
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Sounds like HO's are allowed after initial merge, I don't take much notion to that but I'll just try to avoid them, or maybe I should start practicing HO's to get ready.
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I'm In. :aok
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In... Why put it in the canyon? I think it should be pure dogfighting without any variables, IE a big wall getting in the way.
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I'm in. GameID = RufLeak
Clarifications required:
- All duels will take place in the DA canyon area.
I am not a DA guy. I hope this is self explanatory.
- All duels will be 25% fuel loadout with players choice of gun package and convergence.
Is the fuel load listed on film? How to prove compliance otherwise?
- All merges will be guns cold.
Difficult to enforce. Might have to allow them. I agree with your principle, but I can see a lot of disagreement on what constitutes a HO.
- All merges will be co-alt at 10K until within 3K distance at which point a merge break can begin.
In the DA, are there two different ends to this canyon? Will all planes reach 10K by the merge? What is the acceptable plus or minus on altitude?
- If a player does not show within 15 minutes of the arranged time they forfiet the series. In that case the winner by default must post a screenshot of the DA roster showing that the opponent is a no show no later than 12:00 midnight CDT Sunday following posting of the updated bracket.
How does one prove the arranged time?
Pardon my rules lawyering. The less gray area, the better.
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I'll join but i cant promise to ever fly sober or care about the results. :rock
edit: batfinkv in-game
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I'm in! Bosco as In game
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I'm in!
"First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft. This will be done individually for each set of duelers."
How is that going to work exactly?
I'm going to list all fighter and fighter attack aircraft and number them then use the Excel random number generator feature to allow it to randomly select aircraft for each duel.
In... Why put it in the canyon? I think it should be pure dogfighting without any variables, IE a big wall getting in the way.
It's just an easy place to find in the DA. You can always fight on the plains above the canyons if you like.
I'm in.
Clarifications required:I am not a DA guy. I hope this is self explanatory.
Yes it is.
Is the fuel load listed on film? How to prove compliance otherwise?
You could take more I suppose. This stops people from complaining that someone took a lighter fuel load.
Difficult to enforce. Might have to allow them. I agree with your principle, but I can see a lot of disagreement on what constitutes a HO.
Guns have to remain cold until you have passed the three/nine line of your opponent. This is black and white.
In the DA, are there two different ends to this canyon? Will all planes reach 10K by the merge? What is the acceptable plus or minus on altitude?
Yes and yes. There is no acceptable +/- on alt within reason.
How does one prove the arranged time?
Unable to do but I thought I'd throw it in there anyway. I just don't want any round dragging past the deadlines.
Pardon my rules lawyering. The less gray area, the better.
Oh yeah... post your in-game ID if different than your BBs ID.
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S!
There are alot of better sticks out there than me but i'll give it a shot. Count me in.
My luck, i'll get a WideWing or a Pawz or one of the Dogg's as a 1rst rounder and be out quick.
S!
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I like the fact that the duelers can arrange the Time between themselves... Should only take 20 min outta your day to finish the fights. :aok
BMathis
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Sheesh, sign me up then (gwurzel ingame) - someone has to get the easy kill ;)
Wurzel
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Im in, sound like fun to me.
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Sign me up.
:devil
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I'm IN...provided I can get the scren freezes taken care of...and I think I do.
DuHasst is in the in-game name. Can we enable the A-20 for this...hehe.
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Hmm can I fly a sherman? JK I may have time I'm in.
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I'll do it.
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If that Gwurzel guy can do it...so can I..
In game ........... Tongs ..........
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This should be fun.
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WOooo on the 19th perfect i'll be back by then sign me up sir :aok
rattler in game
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Sounds like HO's are allowed after initial merge, I don't take much notion to that but I'll just try to avoid them, or maybe I should start practicing HO's to get ready.
Pass
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Just FYI I couldn't totally discount HOs after the initial merge or we'd have people viewing every film to determine if a shot was a HO or a high deflection and it would open too many fights to interpretation.
I'd hope most would be honorable enough not to take a direct HO shot (these should be honorable duels after all... a test of skill) but at least this way there's no need for extensive review and interpretation.
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In. May as well soak up some bullets...
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I'd like to participate.
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im in...JRjolly
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Just FYI I couldn't totally discount HOs after the initial merge or we'd have people viewing every film to determine if a shot was a HO or a high deflection and it would open too many fights to interpretation.
I'd hope most would be honorable enough not to take a direct HO shot (these should be honorable duels after all... a test of skill) but at least this way there's no need for extensive review and interpretation.
This is sound and reasonable logic. Hopefully ppl won't be cheap but it will cause more problems if it is not this way.
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I'll play...
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Would be simple to protest with video. Only review protested vids. If you wanted to bother.
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I'm in.
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IN
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:aok count me in
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BaldEagl,
Why not just use the random number generator to pick the first plane once, and have it apply to all fights for the tournament? Then, allow the winner of the entire bracket to pick the first plane of the next tournament?
It seems like it would save you a lot of work, and save others a lot of possible confusion...
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I'd hope most would be honorable enough not to take a direct HO shot (these should be honorable duels after all... a test of skill) but at least this way there's no need for extensive review and interpretation.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl yea,unhuh. :salute
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I'm in :aok
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S!
praying for a F4U4 and that I dont have to fight Vudak :)
S!
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I in
Flatiron in game
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Sounds like fun, in.
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I'm in if these happen in the DA. BE, you might want to go check out the old dueling ladder to maybe glean some lessons from it.
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In
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I'm in... In game, WMSol
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I would be in but I'm about 1/8th the stick moot is (on a good day :) ). So I'll just see what place he gets and multiply by 8. That will be my place :D
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What you mean to say is that you're in regardless where you'll score, cause it'll be fun anyway?
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I'll watch the first one from the sidelines. I'd jump in with anyone for 1v1's at any time, but I hesitate to do it when it'll be a competitive setting. It's my lowly opinion that ACM is really an art form and you see me so much because I seek to better my art, not so I can own up the MA's or a tournament :) . "l'art pour l'art'' .....Pardon my french ;)
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Can't resist the temptation to give it a shot, IN
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Sounds like HO's are allowed after initial merge, I don't take much notion to that but I'll just try to avoid them, or maybe I should start practicing HO's to get ready.
Only thing I can tell you then is to talk to the guy your about to fight and that may help.
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IN
sveno ingame
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On winning and losing:
In the tournament, there will be collisions. I am not advocating it as a tactic, but they are bound to happen. So, two planes are fluttering towards earth. Who is the loser?
I would contend that ditching and bailing are losing. Can’t see a reason to do either, other than as an act of surrender.
To win, I am assuming there is no requirement to land.
On administration:
Salute to BaldEagl for getting this going.
A new thread for each round results would make it much cleaner to track.
On my confidence level:
Just about every guy who has signed up so far has beaten me like a 5 year old in Wal-Mart. I am thinking of changing my call sign to “First Round Bye.”
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I think you'll find thats taken Rufus (see sig for details) :D
:salute bald for putting this together,
Wurzel
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First, Nisky has agreed to join the review/dispute committee. I still need two more volunteers.
Correct in that there is no requirement to land. Bailing or ditching in the middle of a fight should in fact constitute submission. Collisions present an interesting dilemma which I need some time to consider. My initial thought is the person recieving the collision message loses if they go down and if both recieve it it's a do-over... more on that later. Finally in regard to rules I'd hate to see people running so I've been considering a seperation rule to avoid that scenario. In reality this is meant to provide some fun and honorable dueling and to some degree the players will have to police themselves.
As to those who might not think themselves good enough to join I encourage you to do so. First of all the first round is by draw and in the words of Forrest Gump you never know what you're going to get. Beyond that even if you lose it's a great chance to film the flights and learn from the person who beat you. Who knows, they may even be willing to give you a few tips and go a few more rounds with you just for fun.
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I'm in if these happen in the DA. BE, you might want to go check out the old dueling ladder to maybe glean some lessons from it.
as m00t suggested, you should check out Sourkruat's old dueling ladder page ( if it is still up )....or the older dueling ladder before his........
use the same rules base Sour's ladder used........
with my new HD's I no longer have the URL to is page, nor is the Aces High Dueling Ladder Forum existent on the AHBBS anymore :(
maybe you can get with forHim or TW9 ( both of these flyers were trying to revitalize the Dueling Ladder ) they might even have the script that lets ya run/calculate the seeding etc........
or get with Daddog or Ghosth to see if you can get a hold of Sourkruat and see if he can point you in the right direction to obtaining the Ladder script/program
If I recall correctly, didn't Heater ( I may be confusing him with another player ) hold one of the 1st Ladders?
anyhows............. you can also do a search for one of Widewing's post to the BBS about dueling rules..........and use those ( WW recently posted ina thread somewhere about dueling rules )
Good Luck
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Sounds like HO's are allowed after initial merge, I don't take much notion to that but I'll just try to avoid them, or maybe I should start practicing HO's to get ready.
The reality is that you can't really define what a HO is in a duel. Either you limit it to "behind the 3/9 line" with film running or its open season after the merge. Beyond that my personal feeling is that you almost never have a mutual "HO"....one person gets around a bit quicker and judgement is a part of the equation....
Rusty (with regard to dueling) but i'm in....
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as m00t suggested, you should check out Sourkruat's old dueling ladder page ( if it is still up )....or the older dueling ladder before his........
use the same rules base Sour's ladder used........
with my new HD's I no longer have the URL to is page, nor is the Aces High Dueling Ladder Forum existent on the AHBBS anymore :(
maybe you can get with forHim or TW9 ( both of these flyers were trying to revitalize the Dueling Ladder ) they might even have the script that lets ya run/calculate the seeding etc........
or get with Daddog or Ghosth to see if you can get a hold of Sourkruat and see if he can point you in the right direction to obtaining the Ladder script/program
If I recall correctly, didn't Heater ( I may be confusing him with another player ) hold one of the 1st Ladders?
anyhows............. you can also do a search for one of Widewing's post to the BBS about dueling rules..........and use those ( WW recently posted ina thread somewhere about dueling rules )
Good Luck
I tried to participate in TW9's ladder and couldn't get a match-up. Anyway I don't want to use a ladder format as there is no finality to it. This way after three duels you either advance to the next round or you're out and once the players base is set there's a firm end to it.
Thanks for the suggestions though. I will try to find WW's dueling rules to see if I can clear up a few of the final ambiguities but don't want to change the base rules at this point as people are already signing up and may be doing so based on the posted rules.
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These?
- If someone loses a wing, tail, or engine, the round is over.
- Only two contestants to a dog fight.
- Only one dog fight at a time.
- The winner of a round has the choice of the next plane set.
- Both contestants must get a fresh plane before the next round.
- Rounds must start Co Alt and Co E before the initial merge. This means no going above the agreed altitude before the initial merge in order to gain more E then your opponent, but you may dive under your opponent once you are in icon range.
- No Head-Ons on the initial merge.
- No rams.
- If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round. If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit. This includes altitude.
- Any modifications of the these rules must be noted in text upon take-off of the first round, and both contestants must agree in text before the initial merge of the first round. This includes any fuel handicaps.
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I believe BaldEagl is sticking with his original Rules of Engagement.
But that won't stop me from responding.
- If someone loses a wing, tail, or engine, the round is over.
These should lead naturally to a loss. The only question is in the rare event of near simultaneous engine failure. For example, an oil leaking guy takes out his opponent's engine as his fails. Unlikey, but possible.
- The winner of a round has the choice of the next plane set.
BaldEagl has it right that the loser picks the next plane. This is a balancing feature. I doubt anyone will throw the first round just to pick the plane in the second round.
I have rammed many times, but never intentionally. Still awaiting a judgement on this one.
- If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round. If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit. This includes altitude.
Good concept, but how to enforce? If it is a first or second round that goes to the film review committee, how do the two combatants know which plane to pick for subsequent rounds?
- Any modifications of the these rules must be noted in text upon take-off of the first round, and both contestants must agree in text before the initial merge of the first round. This includes any fuel handicaps.
This is a huge can of worms. Reasonable people would be able to agree. Key word: reasonable.
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most times Rams/Collisions is considered "No Contest" is erased and the Round is started over Fresh......
someone having their oil Hit does not consitute them losing their engine.Lose of an Engine means it DIES does not produce power / Stops running / locks or seizes up..... 2 completely different things........ if both engines die at same time.....MOST ( not all ) people would consider to do a rematch ........
it is no way possible for 2 duelers to argue over someone who has extended beyond 2.5 with their nose going away from their opponent.to argue this and have it reviewed is futile.....and will show the opponent's arguement as complete ignorance to the rule......
YMMV
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it is no way possible for 2 duelers to argue over someone who has extended beyond 2.5 with their nose going away from their opponent.to argue this and have it reviewed is futile.....and will show the opponent's arguement as complete ignorance to the rule......
If you haven't noticed, there are many arguements on these lines:
A, "You did."
B, "No, you did."
A, "I didn't. You did"
B, "You did times two."
And on and on.
More specifically on the topic of separation, how do you prove who is the cause of the violation, especially if it includes vertical?
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Hey RufLeak,
Don't stress too much about the rules before they've even had a chance to be broken. We've got a nice mix of veteran and rookie duelers here, and it will all balance out :aok
If you haven't noticed, there are many arguements on these lines:
A, "You did."
B, "No, you did."
A, "I didn't. You did"
B, "You did times two."
And on and on.
More specifically on the topic of separation, how do you prove who is the cause of the violation, especially if it includes vertical?
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In...whatever the rules may be :aok
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He did.
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I'm in. :aok
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This was posted in the original thread.
32 man double elimination tournament (best 2 out of 3)
Total-63 matches
20 minutes a match(may not be possible)
on 8 fields (which we have)
The whole tournament one night and less than 3 hours
immmmm IN
Now we re talking. Make it an event. Or multiple events. Time zone friendly.
my response: I would prefer attending the matches based on the times available for each pilot, a mutual time agreement per match. Some people are overseas, and it would be difficult for them to make an event based on EST or PST's. Further, an event like this is easily disrupted by the 'others' in the DA; perfect example is TanK Klub.
ex:
If I draw Vudak, he could say I'm available this Sunday 10pm est, are you? Post the results of the 2/3 and move on.
How's this gonna be handled?
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OH, I forgot to post my in game ID. I am ForkTail. Anyone want to practice d0000011ing just PM me. I know I need the practice. I am usually available after 1900 CST.
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Hey RufLeak,
Don't stress too much about the rules before they've even had a chance to be broken. We've got a nice mix of veteran and rookie duelers here, and it will all balance out :aok
No stress. Just keen interest.
Though I would wager that the first round will yield at least one whine or accusation. It is best to either keep it simple or risk analysis paralysis.
On the issue of video review:
What will be the process for a contested 1st or 2nd round? Will a win be reversed?
Sorry. Can't help myself. No stress.
I am in and defer to the ROE as defined by BaldEagl. I am just thinking through the "what if" situations.
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I have no doubt there will be a few whines or accusations, but I seriously doubt the types who would do that will be the types who will win this. If you're having fun here, carry on, but if not, don't worry :)
No stress. Just keen interest.
Though I would wager that the first round will yield at least one whine or accusation. It is best to either keep it simple or risk analysis paralysis.
On the issue of video review:
What will be the process for a contested 1st or 2nd round? Will a win be reversed?
Sorry. Can't help myself. No stress.
I am in and defer to the ROE as defined by BaldEagl. I am just thinking through the "what if" situations.
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In :aok
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In!
GameID = Snefens
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I'm willin' to be a target(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Drinking.gif)
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Just some thoughts i have:
All flights must filmed (Kinda common sense but people forget).
If both parties consent to a "do over" for an infraction of the rules I'm OK with it, but it has to be in text.
If one party is not in agreement of the above films must be sent in for review. I would also think that the fight should be rescheduled til after a judgment is made.
These r just some ideas to ease the conflict a little.
Most people who will fly will
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count me in.
INK
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Tempting... but I'm too skeered. :D
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Why, whats the worst that can happen :D (see sig for details lol.......)
On a more serious note, for those of us who aren't as good as we'd like, use this as a learning opportunity.
Wurzel
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On separation restrictions:
There are three airfields in each canyon in the DA. They are arranged in a line, north to south. Players launch from the north and south field for a merge over the center field. The fight must stay inside the center fields dar circle.
This doesn't answer the question of disputes and film review. It is just another way to bound the fight.
On third party interference:
Is it possible for uninvited people to interfere? Other than a severe wedgie for the interloper, what can be done about it?
This is my last ROE post. Vudak told me not to stress. I'll save my stress for when Vudak is on my six.
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Separation: Don't see that it needs such a big deal made of it (flight times that long will put people off). Everyone films their fights and if someone gets out of arbitrary range, he gets a strike. 1 to 3 strikes and you're out of the competition.. Or 1 strike = round loss, 3 strikes competition ban, whatever. False reports go by the same kind of metric to avoid swamping regulators with film reviewing. Three false complaints and you're out.
Outside interference: Hold the event in the SEA and turn off CM eye mode.
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Separation: Don't see that it needs such a big deal made of it (flight times that long will put people off). Everyone films their fights and if someone gets out of arbitrary range, he gets a strike. 1 to 3 strikes and you're out of the competition.. Or 1 strike = round loss, 3 strikes competition ban, whatever. False reports go by the same kind of metric to avoid swamping regulators with film reviewing. Three false complaints and you're out.
Outside interference: Hold the event in the SEA and turn off CM eye mode.
I would say CM eye mode on, but external views off. DA has external views, so that might be another rule possibly implemented. :salute
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CM eye mode on means anyone can use vox or ext program to talk to either player. External views would definitely be exploitable.
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On separation restrictions:
There are three airfields in each canyon in the DA. They are arranged in a line, north to south. Players launch from the north and south field for a merge over the center field. The fight must stay inside the center fields dar circle.
This doesn't answer the question of disputes and film review. It is just another way to bound the fight.
As a general rule most dueling ladders have a seperation limit of 1.5 to 3.0. At most seperation beyond icon range would seem to be a forfeit.
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Whoohoo... We're up to 41 players!
BMathis; I couldn't tell by your posts if you're in or not. To answer your question it's up to the players to arrange a convenient time for their duels and considering our global participants that's why I left the entire weekend open to complete the duels.
Nisky, you're on the review committe but never told me if you were in or not.
Here's an early participant list. I'll update after the weekend. Check to verify your in-game name:
4deck
613Ski
AAJagerX
B4Buster
BaldEagl
batfinkv
Belial
BMathis (?)
Bodhi
Bosco
Cobra516
DadRabit
Darth2
DaveyJ
DuHasst
Flatiron
ForkTail
gwurzel
INK
Jerkins
JRjolly
lazydog
Mensa
MjTalon
moot
Nisky (?)
rattler
RedTeck
RufLeak
snaphook
Snefens
SunBat
sunfan1121
sveno
SWneo
TexsTC
Tongs
TonyJoey
uptown
Vudak
WMSol
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In.
CPID Mazz.
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Yes eagle, I'm in.
BMathis
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I take a break from AH2 and you guys go and have one giant 1v1 tourney. :noid
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Then stop taking a break Kaz, ya big pimp, and come join in - sheesh, do I have to tell ya everything :D ;)
Wurzel
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This is my last ROE post. Vudak told me not to stress. I'll save my stress for when Vudak is on my six.
Hey, if you're having fun with the ROE specifics, have a ball :)
I'm just trying to assure our newer duelers that everything will be just fine.
Show up in the right plane, at the right alt, and don't shoot on the first merge. After that, do your best to kill the other guy. If he gets on your 6, try to get him on your 12. Do all this, and you'll have fun, and no problems. If I happen to win a match, I'll stick around for extra duels with my new friend. When someone beats me, I hope they'll do the same. Let's look at this as a fun, friendly chance to learn and meet new people :aok
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IN ANGELS10 :aok
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Sign me up.
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<---- sunsfan
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There were building a map for a similar CM sponsored tourney.
You might p.m. one of the CM map makers and see if they finished it.
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Whoohoo... We're up to 41 players!
BMathis; I couldn't tell by your posts if you're in or not. To answer your question it's up to the players to arrange a convenient time for their duels and considering our global participants that's why I left the entire weekend open to complete the duels.
Nisky, you're on the review committe but never told me if you were in or not.
Here's an early participant list. I'll update after the weekend. Check to verify your in-game name:
4deck
613Ski
AAJagerX
B4Buster
BaldEagl
batfinkv
Belial
BMathis (?)
Bodhi
Bosco
Cobra516
DadRabit
Darth2
DaveyJ
DuHasst
Flatiron
ForkTail
gwurzel
INK
Jerkins
JRjolly
lazydog
Mensa
MjTalon
moot
Nisky (?)
rattler
RedTeck
RufLeak
snaphook
Snefens
SunBat
sunfan1121
sveno
SWneo
TexsTC
Tongs
TonyJoey
uptown
Vudak
WMSol
Add me ingame = TC ( messageboards = TequilaChaser )
and be sure to bring your best game.....gameface ON!
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IN
in game= Dodger
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in
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In :rock
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- First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft. This will be done individually for each set of duelers.
- The loser of each duel selects the aircraft for the next duel. This allows the loser to pick his/her best aircraft to get back into contention and if it goes three rounds each player will have had one plane selection.
- All duels will be 25% fuel loadout with players choice of gun package and convergence.
Will there be any excluded fighters?
I am thinking about the Me-163 in particular.
Will it be a good fit in the given format?
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I was just thinking about that. Evidently my ears were burning.
I've decided to exclude all perk planes mostly because of the 163 and 262.
I'll be posting an updated roster and some minor rules additions/modifications later today.
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There's no 163/262 in the DA.
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oh boy this is gonna be good :x
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OK. Much to impart here. Thanks to everyone for your enthusiastic support of this bracket tournament. I'm looking forward to a fun event for all involved.
We now have 48 people signed up. If no one else signed up 32 players would duel the first week while 16 would get a buy. At this pont I have decided to limit the field to the first 64 players that sign up. 64 will allow for a full bracket and we won't have to wait a week for a small handfull of people to fly a pre-elimination round. The next logical break would be 128 players and since sign-ups have tapered off I don't think we'd get there so, if you've been on the fence, sign up now as there are only 16 spots left to fill and I know you don't want to see 16 guys get off with a buy in week one :) .
Here's the current roster. I've included the players in-game ID then their BBs ID to facilitate PMing to arrange duels. It's a good list of players but there's a few prominent AHII member's I'm dissapointed not to see (no names will be spoken). Please verify this information is accurate and post if I need to update it:
4deck - 4deck
613Ski - SkiMan
AAJagerX - AAJagerX
ANGELS10 - angels10
B4Buster - B4Buster
BaldEagl - BaldEagl
batfinkv - mechanic
Belial - Belial
Bmathis - Bmathis
Bodhi - Bodhi
Boozeman - Boozeman
Bosco - Bosco123
Cobra516 - Cobra516
DadRabit - DadRabit
Darth2 - hunter128
DaveyJ - DaveJ
Dodger - jododger
DoNKeY - DoNKeY
DuHasst - stroker71
Flatiron - flatiron1
ForkTail - Grape
gwurzel - gpwurzel
INK - ink
Jerkins - jerkins
JRjolly - jolly22
lazydog - lazydog
Mazz - Saurdaukar
Mensa - mensa180
MjTalon - MjTalon
moot - moot
Nisky (?) - Nisky (?)
pervert - pervert
rattler - Rattler
RedTeck - RedTeck
RufLeak - RufusLeaking
snaphook - humble
Snefens - LLv34_Snefens
SunBat - SunBat
sunsfan - sunfan1121
sveno - sveno
SWneo - infowars
TC - TequilaChaser
TexsTC - texastc316
Tongs - SPKmes
TonyJoey - TonyJoey
uptown - uptown
Vudak - Vudak
WMSol - Sol75
Next, I've read and considered everyone's suggestions for possible rules changes. I have made minor modifications to the existing rules and added a few that seemed pertinent. I appreciate all of the input. That said here are what I hope to be the final rules:
Rules:
- Brackets will be determined by random draw of names out of a hat (or other convenient container ;) ).
- If there are odd numbers of players I will work them into the brackets although they may have to fly more or less rounds than other players. They will be those chosen last in the random draw.
- Duels must be arranged between the players by PM, IM, e-mail or other means to take place by midnight CDT Sunday following each bracket update (6 days).
- Duels will be best of three.
- First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft (except the Me163 and Me262). This will be done individually for each set of duelers.
- The loser of each duel selects the aircraft for the next duel. This allows the loser to pick his/her best aircraft to get back into contention and if it goes three rounds each player will have had one plane selection.
- All duels will take place in the DA canyon area.
- All duels will be 25% fuel loadout with players choice of gun package and convergence.
- All merges will be guns cold (no firing until you have passed your opponent's 3/9 line).
- All merges will be co-alt at 10K until within icon range at which point a merge break can begin.
- Anything goes after the initial merge.
- In the case of a draw (both run out of fuel for instance) that duel will be re-fought using the same aircraft.
- In the case of a collision:
* If only one player collides (only one gets the collision message) the duel continues.
* If both players collide (both get the collision message) the duel immediately ends and will be re-started in the same planes.
- Intentionally ditching or bailing constitutes forfieture of the duel.
- The intent is for players to remain in close proximity to one another (2-3K max). That said if at any time the players lose icon range on one another the duel ends immediately and will be re-started using the same planes. This should allow a dueler to simply turn away from a runner to nullify the duel.
- If an uninvited third party interrupts the duel the duel is immediately ended and will be re-started using the same plane. The dueling participants may move to another mutually agreed upon set of fields in the DA in this instance.
- Once one player has been shot down and the other recieves a kill message the duel ends. There is no need to land.
- Both players will film all duels in case of a dispute. (I still need 2 more volunteers to potentially review films and serve as a dispute committee or I'll just assign someone :D )
- The losing player will post in this thread after the duel series in the following format:
Plane - Winner
Plane - Winner
Plane - Winner (if needed)
The loser posting is a means to verify that the results are uncontested. If the loser hasn't posted by the deadline then the winner may post the results but they will be deemed contested.
- This information must be posted by no later than 12:00 midnight Central Daylight Time Sunday following the posting of the updated bracket so that I can get the brackets updated and re-posted on Monday.
- If a player does not show within 15 minutes of the arranged time they forfiet the series. In that case the winner by default must post a screenshot of the DA roster showing that the opponent is a no show no later than 12:00 midnight CDT Sunday following posting of the updated bracket.
- If a duel cannot be arranged between the players or nothing has been posted regarding results in the alloted time one player will be selected by random draw to advance to the next round.
- In the case of contested results both players films will be reviewed by the review committee and a determination will be posted no later than 48 hours after the initial posting deadline. The review committee may overturn posted results. If a clean determination of a winner cannot be made a winner will be selected by random draw. The review committee's determination will be final. Because this will delay both the winner's and his/her next opponent's ability to arrange their next duel it is in the best interest of everyone that the players reach an agreeable conclusion to their duels on their own. In any case, then next duels deadlines WILL NOT be delayed.
- The initial bracket will be posted on Monday, July 20 and each Monday thereafter until a winner has been determined.
And finally, this it both a test for my own edification and a preview for you of what you've gotten yourself into. :D [edit] Once I have the players assigned to the brackets the initial duel aircraft will be listed in the center of each bracket.
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Bracket.jpg)
:salute and thanks again to everyone.
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You should have player A choose the ride for the 1st then playes B choose for the 2nd then each player choose their "best or favorite" if a 3rd round is needed! Get a little dissimilar goin :aok
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I'd like to get in on this.
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Can't wait. :aok
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You should have player A choose the ride for the 1st then playes B choose for the 2nd then each player choose their "best or favorite" if a 3rd round is needed! Get a little dissimilar goin :aok
If the goal is to remove as many variables as possible and compete as pilots, then keep any dissimilar bouts for non-tournament duels.
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If the goal is to remove as many variables as possible and compete as pilots, then keep any dissimilar bouts for non-tournament duels.
I agree.
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The guy who shoots me down is m00t (zeros in the middle.)
Is this the same guy?
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The guy who shoots me down is m00t (zeros in the middle.)
Is this the same guy?
Yes, it is the same guy. Canyon?...ew :(
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Or make it a plane per round
Round 1- spit9
Round 2- PonyD
Round 3-190A8
etc
Final Round D3A
Thoughts?
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This is moot the trainer.
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If the goal is to remove as many variables as possible and compete as pilots, then keep any dissimilar bouts for non-tournament duels.
IF the current duel is player A=1 and player B=1 then a possible dissimilar makes sense and eliminates the " such and such a plane is not my best " argument! The 3rd fight would be each player using his or her BEST plane!! NO excuses :aok If the fighht is tied then someone must pik the next ride, or have the random generator choose the 3rd and final plane if needed!
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IF the current duel is player A=1 and player B=1 then a possible dissimilar makes sense and eliminates the " such and such a plane is not my best " argument! The 3rd fight would be each player using his or her BEST plane!! NO excuses :aok If the fighht is tied then someone must pik the next ride, or have the random generator choose the 3rd and final plane if needed!
No on dissimilar planes.
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IN - game ID - Assi
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Or make it a plane per round
Round 1- spit9
Round 2- PonyD
Round 3-190A8
etc
Final Round D3A
Thoughts?
Cain't have D3A...no bombers in 1v1 area.
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:eek: Wow. I am really looking foward to this. :aok Kinda nervous, too. Hope I don't loose to a tree. :x Prepare to be Pilot Wounded!
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If both parties agree can we use one of the low alt fight arenas instead?
What about 50% fuel?
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IF the current duel is player A=1 and player B=1 then a possible dissimilar makes sense and eliminates the " such and such a plane is not my best " argument! The 3rd fight would be each player using his or her BEST plane!! NO excuses :aok If the fighht is tied then someone must pik the next ride, or have the random generator choose the 3rd and final plane if needed!
Why change the format, everyone knows the old saying, If it aint broke, dont fix it.
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I want IN
In game JunkyII :salute
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Please sign me up. In game name is 4Fox. Thanks.
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wow eagle, thats alot of work you put into this. great job suh!
S!
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I have this set up now too with the random number generator. Which ride will YOU have to survive your first duel in?
1 A6M2
2 A6M5b
3 Bf 109E-4
4 Bf 109F-4
5 Bf 109G-14
6 Bf 109G-2
7 Bf 109G-6
8 Bf 109K-4
9 Bf 110C-4b
10 Bf 110G-2
11 C.202
12 C.205
13 F4F-4
14 F4U-1
15 F4U-1A
16 F4U-1C
17 F4U-1D
18 F4U-4
19 F6F-5
20 FM2
21 Fw 190A-5
22 Fw 190A-8
23 Fw 190D-9
24 Fw 190F-8
25 Hurricane Mk I
26 Hurricane Mk IIC
27 Hurricane Mk IID
28 Ki-61-I-KAIc
29 Ki-84-la
30 La-5FN
31 La-7
32 Mosquito Mk VI
33 N1K2-J
34 P-38G
35 P-38J
36 P-38L
37 P-39D
38 P-39Q
39 P-40B
40 P-40E
41 P-47D-11
42 P-47D-25
43 P-47D-40
44 P-47N
45 P-51B
46 P-51D
47 Seafire Mk II
48 Spitfire Mk I
49 Spitfire Mk IX
50 Spitfire Mk V
51 Spitfire Mk VIII
52 Spitfire Mk XIV
53 Spitfire Mk XVI
54 Ta 152H
55 Tempest Mk V
56 Typhoon Mk I
57 Yak-9T
58 Yak-9U
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5, 11 and 25 are mine :)
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Shooie, this is gonna be fun. When will the first match-up's come out? :aok
:salute BaldEagl, great work!
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Woopsies, wrong thread. :rolleyes:
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Include me in this, it sounds like fun even though I'll likely get beat up pretty badly. In game: PFactorD
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So, when are we gonna get the ball rolling witht the first bracket, BaldEagl?
:salute for all of your work.
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OP says first bracket's posted this monday.
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We've had some new people sign up and, unfortunately, one has withdrawn. We now have 54 of a possible 64 people signed up. This leaves us with 10 open slots (or 10 people with a first round bye).
There's only 3 1/2 days left to get your name on the list so sign up now if you're interested.
Here is the current roster:
4deck - 4deck
4Fox - Fox
AAJagerX - AAJagerX
ANGELS10- angels10
Assi - DMBEAR
B4Buster - B4Buster
BaldEagl - BaldEagl
batfinkv - mechanic
Belial - Belial
Bmathis - Bmathis
Bodhi - Bodhi
Boozeman- Boozeman
Bosco - Bosco123
Bubi - Motherland
Cobra516 - Cobra516
DadRabit - DadRabit
Darth2 - hunter128
DaveyJ - DaveJ
Dodger - jododger
DoNKeY - DoNKeY
DuHasst - stroker71
Flatiron - flatiron1
ForkTail - Grape
fudgums - fudgums
gwurzel - gpwurzel
INK - ink
Jerkins - jerkins
JRjolly - jolly22
JunkyII - JunkyII
lazydog - lazydog
Mazz - Saurdaukar
Mensa - mensa180
MjTalon - MjTalon
moot - moot
Nisky (?) - Nisky (?)
pervert - pervert
PFactorD - PFactorDave
rattler - Rattler
RedTeck - RedTeck
RufLeak - RufusLeaking
shreck - shreck
snaphook - humble
Snefens - LLv34_Snefens
SunBat - SunBat
sunsfan - sunfan1121
sveno - sveno
SWneo - infowars
TC - TequilaChaser
TexsTC - texastc316
Tongs - SPKmes
TonyJoey - TonyJoey
uptown - uptown
Vudak - Vudak
WMSol - Sol75
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When are the first match results due by? I'm trying to figure out a good time to head up to the lake and wondering if I should sneak away this weekend instead of next. Unless of course we'll have several days to schedule a match.
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When are the first match results due by? I'm trying to figure out a good time to head up to the lake and wondering if I should sneak away this weekend instead of next. Unless of course we'll have several days to schedule a match.
Bracket will be posted Monday with results due by midnight Sunday.
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Bracket will be posted Monday with results due by midnight Sunday.
Sounds good! :aok
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2 1/2 days left. Still looking for 10 brave souls.
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ill have a go :salute Amsoil in game nick
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Vudak has agreed to join the review committee along with Nisky. I'm still looking for one more volunteer there so I don't have to add that to my administration of the tourney.
Thanks Nisky and Vudak. :salute
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I don't think it matters but if it does for some reason. I'm Sunbatt in game.
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Vudak has agreed to join the review committee along with Nisky. I'm still looking for one more volunteer there so I don't have to add that to my administration of the tourney.
Thanks Nisky and Vudak. :salute
I'll volunteer for that 3rd slot......Baldie .......if it's still open
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Im in! My luck I'll get stuck with TonyJoey... I don't want to knock him out in the first round. :D
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I'll volunteer for that 3rd slot......Baldie .......if it's still open
You're in. Thanks TC. :salute
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I volunteer as a back up reviewer as well bald.
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I volunteer as a back up reviewer as well bald.
OK. In case one of the other three isn't available you'll be the alternate. Thanks. :salute
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Hey Baldeagle, if there is still some room, I'll try it. Black70 in game name. :aok
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We're getting close. 1 1/2 days to go and we only need seven more to fill the bracket.
Current roster:
4deck - 4deck
4Fox - Fox
AAJagerX - AAJagerX
Amsoil - Amsoil21
ANGELS10- angels10
Assi - DMBEAR
B4Buster - B4Buster
BaldEagl - BaldEagl - Administrator
batfinkv - mechanic
Belial - Belial
Black70 - Black Jack
Bmathis - Bmathis
Bodhi - Bodhi
Boozeman- Boozeman
Bosco - Bosco123
Bubi - Motherland
Cobra516 - Cobra516
DadRabit - DadRabit
Darth2 - hunter128
DaveyJ - DaveJ
Dodger - jododger
DoNKeY - DoNKeY
DuHasst - stroker71
Flatiron - flatiron1
ForkTail - Grape
fudgums - fudgums
gwurzel - gpwurzel
INK - ink
Jerkins - jerkins - Review committee alternate
JRjolly - jolly22
JunkyII - JunkyII
lazydog - lazydog
Mazz - Saurdaukar
Mensa - mensa180
mike254 - mike254
MjTalon - MjTalon
moot - moot
Nisky (?) - Nisky (?) - Review committee
pervert - pervert
PFactorD - PFactorDave
rattler - Rattler
RedTeck - RedTeck
RufLeak - RufusLeaking
shreck - shreck
snaphook - humble
Snefens - LLv34_Snefens
Sunbatt - SunBat
sunsfan - sunfan1121
sveno - sveno
SWneo - infowars
TC - TequilaChaser - Review committee
TexsTC - texastc316
Tongs - SPKmes
TonyJoey - TonyJoey
uptown - uptown
Vudak - Vudak - Review committee
WMSol - Sol75
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Count me in, I'll die frequently but it'll be fun.
:lol
GameId: horble
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Only flaw I see in that line up is:
4deck is floatsup in the game.
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Im in
My current in game id has changed its Kil02
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Thats a zero not a O
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I guess I'll try it. IN
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A8Grind
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4 more to go!
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I`m in :aok
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12 hours. 3 to go. Sign up by midnight central tonight.
FYI I've decided to start a new thread when I post the first bracket. I'll also re-post the rules and roster in that thread. That will be the results and brackets thread that we will use for the duration of the tournament.
I appreciate all the comments and support for this that I've recieved here, via PM and in the game. I'm looking forward to a good time for all. :salute
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Thanks again Eagle :aok
:salute
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Sadly, I have to drop out, I'm working nights this week, so anyone who gets me as a fight will be disappointed. I dont finish nights until next tuesday, so that pretty much makes it a no go for me.
My apologies everyone.
Bald, thanks for making this happen.
Wurzel
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Sadly, I have to drop out, I'm working nights this week, so anyone who gets me as a fight will be disappointed. I dont finish nights until next tuesday, so that pretty much makes it a no go for me.
My apologies everyone.
Bald, thanks for making this happen.
Wurzel
There is the entire weekend you know. Plus, nights for you are what, five to eight hours ahead of U.S.?
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Biggamer told me to sign him up. His comp gets very laggy when going on the forums, so he asked me.
Ingame & Forum ID- Biggamer
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Ill do it
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Im game for it sign me up.
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1 more spot!
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woohoo! lazer and strokes. <S>
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Wurz, you can PM your opponent and get a time that is mutually available. Doesn't have to be nights. Hope you can stay!
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Someone told me i was the last person. Im sooooo lucky.