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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chalenge on July 16, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
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A 17 year old sees her father fall shortly after surgery and go into seizures so she calls 911 and runs into an angry cop...
So he arrests her when she comes to complain? Heres the video of the news report. I think its more than unbelievable this is an outrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj91eeoFOBk
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i think if i were to say what i reallty think about this, i would be permanently banned from here.
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As someone who worked as none-emergency dispatcher - I find this buffaloing. This idiot lost all sense of reality...
Also, why would dispatcher get paid 62K?
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The cop is just an ass. 20 years as an officer and just pissed away his job. It would be nice if they took his pension too. Would be great if the daughter became a dispatcher and could some day return the favor when the cop needed help.
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Everyone has bad days at work...
That being said, I find it a little disturbing that a guy with 20 years on the job can forget what's at stake when he decides to vent during moments when he's truly needed.
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As someone who worked as none-emergency dispatcher - I find this buffaloing. This idiot lost all sense of reality...
Also, why would dispatcher get paid 62K?
he's probably a patrolman, and most likely does that for extra hours.
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wow... just wow :mad:
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He was probably having a bad day and the cuss struck a nerve... He handled the situation poorly; scary moment to be on the other end of the line.
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That SOB :furious
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You would think anyone could understand someone swearing during an emergency.
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Its a terrible thing, but I have to admit... That when I hear of a cop getting killed, I always ask, "What kind of cop was he?" Simply because I've seen more than a few bad ones... You know the kind...
The ones that are on the major ego/power trip... Who's badge and gun are a poor replacement for a small
weenie... etc etc.... Man, they really HATE cellphone cameras...
I know quite a few cops, they know who the bad ones are as well... But that "blue brotherhood" thing prevents them from doing anything about it.... Too bad!!!
RC
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Even some officers can be scum of the earth.
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I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh. Not only after she realized that the cop was not going to cooperate if she swore, she then continued and then threatened him.
If MY father was having a seizure, I would have cooperated just to save him. But she argued with the cop and never even told him what's wrong.
I understand that her father was on the floor shaking, and that is a scary thing. But the first thing I would of said when the cop picked up was "MY FATHER IS ON THE FLOOR SHAKING! HELP!"
Obcourse the cop should not be excused from this though and should be fired on the spot.
Flame on
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I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh. Not only after she realized that the cop was not going to cooperate if she swore, she then continued and then threatened him.
If MY father was having a seizure, I would have cooperated just to save him. But she argued with the cop and never even told him what's wrong.
I understand that her father was on the floor shaking, and that is a scary thing. But the first thing I would of said when the cop picked up was "MY FATHER IS ON THE FLOOR SHAKING! HELP!"
Obcourse the cop should not be excused from this though and should be fired on the spot.
Flame on
ya, 'cause 17 year old girls are so grown up. :rolleyes:
put yourself in her shoes.
i'm lucky that i have friends on the police force where i live.....when i was young, my grandpop had alhzeimers. he had a feeding tube in his stomach, where my grandmom had to feed him through.
well, i woke up one morning to her in a panic, telling me he had pulled his feeding tube out. i immediatly called 911. they sent an ambulance. since the address went out on the radio, half of lindenwolds pd was there before the ambulance, making sure we were ok......they did a wonderful job of calming my grandmom.
they also did a wonderful job of holding me back when one of the ambulance crew told me we shouldn't have called them. it took three of em.
these people need to be held to a higher standard. they are the ones we depend on. if we cannot depend on them to maintain professionalism, then they may as well not have their jobs.
the ambulance dude did lose his job for his comment btw............
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The girl was to blame for how it went. The cop should have been big enough to do his job not worry about swearing but we don't know how many prank calls he got that week, or that day.
If this situation is to be avoided again then teenagers should be trained in how to relay an important message without threatening to sue the people they want help from. I dont blame the cop at all, I feel sorry for him that this will hurt his carear so badly. Stupid little girl doesn't even care that her tantrum will cost a man and his familly their lively hood.
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The girl was to blame for how it went. The cop should have been big enough to do his job not worry about swearing but we don't know how many prank calls he got that week, or that day.
If this situation is to be avoided again then teenagers should be trained in how to relay an important message without threatening to sue the people they want help from. I dont blame the cop at all, I feel sorry for him that this will hurt his carear so badly. Stupid little girl doesn't even care that her tantrum will cost a man and his familly their lively hood.
it doesn't matter how many prank calls he got.
between unsolicited sales calls, having machines call, prank calls, i get on average 10+ a day. yet each and every time i pick up the phone, i remain professional, and courteous. even if i just had to climb out from under a car that i'm working on.
i know i don't have the kinds of pressures those guys do, but i am under constant pressure. as i've said before, they need to be held to a higher standard, as they are depended on.
imagine had he not yelled back at her. do you not think he may have been able to calm her down, as he was transferring the call? i'd bet hearing some friendly, reassuring words from him(which i think is part of their job) would've calmed her right down.
she was wrong, but too your to realize it. he was more wrong.
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The second time she called she had a chance to say
'Hey, im sorry for swearing, i need help, my father is dying on the floor here'
Instead she threatened to sue the officer and cursed some more. Her arrogance and over inflated sense of importance could have cost her father's life. Considering every phone call is logged, then the cop knew it was her calling back the second and third times, yet he still picked up and gave her a chance to explain the emergency clearly.
Yeah the cop was not perfect at all, but civies need training how to handle an emergency before an officer loses his life's work over this.
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The girl was to blame for how it went. The cop should have been big enough to do his job not worry about swearing but we don't know how many prank calls he got that week, or that day.
If this situation is to be avoided again then teenagers should be trained in how to relay an important message without threatening to sue the people they want help from. I dont blame the cop at all, I feel sorry for him that this will hurt his carear so badly. Stupid little girl doesn't even care that her tantrum will cost a man and his familly their lively hood.
The girl could have been doing her best Linda Blair impression and swearing in long-dead languages. He still should have taken her seriously from the start.
The first thing he does after picking up is admonish her language... Deal with that after, if ever. If someone is calling 911, and they are swearing, you'd better find out why before you try to give them a lesson in civility.
This guy 100% should never be on dispatch again.
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fair enough, I am here to give my opinon and hear others.
It sickens me when someone threatens to sue another person so quickly. Makes me think this girl was a spoilt little brat. Makes me feel huge admiration for the men and women who man a telephone all day just to protect these morons knowing that AS SOON as they make one mistake after a perfect 20 year record, someone will try to get money out of it.
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fair enough, I am here to give my opinon and hear others.
It sickens me when someone threatens to sue another person so quickly. Makes me think this girl was a spoilt little brat. Makes me feel huge admiration for the men and women who man a telephone all day just to protect these morons knowing that AS SOON as they make one mistake after a perfect 20 year record, someone will try to get money out of it.
Batfinkv... The girl was so distressed and mindboggled that the guy wouldn't help her, that she DROVE to the station to try and get some assistance. I can't even fathom having to do that.
If her father didn't survive, or was injured because of this, that is a very, very legitimate lawsuit.
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agree to disagree mate
:salute
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agree to disagree mate
:salute
Works for me, but allow me to put it in a different light:
My girlfriend works as a nanny. Suppose she was taking the kids to the pool, had her back turned for a moment, and heard "Help! Help! %*&#! Help!" and then, without turning around to see what the problem was, started admonishing the kid for swearing?
She'd be dragged through the streets, fired, possibly sued, and rightfully so!
I see this as a similar situation.
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The second time she called she had a chance to say
'Hey, im sorry for swearing, i need help, my father is dying on the floor here'
Instead she threatened to sue the officer and cursed some more. Her arrogance and over inflated sense of importance could have cost her father's life. Considering every phone call is logged, then the cop knew it was her calling back the second and third times, yet he still picked up and gave her a chance to explain the emergency clearly.
Yeah the cop was not perfect at all, but civies need training how to handle an emergency before an officer loses his life's work over this.
from the sounds of it, he didn't. he jumped down her throat every time.
she was in panic. people do some screwed up stuff when they go into panic mode. if she'd never dealt with that situation before, then she was probably past "panic" into "babble" aproaching "plaid", and having never dealt with that type of situation before, started saying anyting she might have thought would get the dude off his butt.
so ya know....i do respect your opinion dude..........just tossin mine out there too. :aok
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Twenty years of perfect record. That is almost your or my whole life so far, dedicated to looking after idiots without a single mistake.
To your example, if the kid threatened to sue the nanny if she did not turn round, she would probably think the kid was messing around. That is the mistake of the girl. She had time to threaten to sue the officer (something i expect they hear alot) but she did not have the time or the sense to say 'my father is dying'.
Come on.
edit: just read your cap, and I cannot argue with the point you or vudak makes. What I can try to do is shed a different perspective on the situation. Try looking from the officer's point of view. I accept he made a mistake. I think the civillian made many more and far worse mistakes.
All opinions are valid untill someone gets angry :)
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Twenty years of perfect record. That is almost your or my whole life so far, dedicated to looking after idiots without a single mistake.
To your example, if the kid threatened to sue the nanny if she did not turn round, she would probably think the kid was messing around. That is the mistake of the girl. She had time to threaten to sue the officer (something i expect they hear alot) but she did not have the time or the sense to say 'my father is dying'.
Come on.
I'm not saying she handled it perfectly, but I do think she handled it in a way I'd reasonably expect from a panic-stricken 17 year old girl. I don't think the officer handled it anywhere near a way I'd reasonably expect out of a 20-year vet.
Also, I'm not necessarily advocating he should be fired. I do believe he should never be allowed to work overtime in dispatch again, as he clearly can not handle it professionally. In that position, he is responsible for life and death, and he dropped the ball on that one.
Let's not forget, this entire incident started because a person calling 911 (an emergency line) dropped a bad word, and the "professional" on the other end decided it was more pressing to admonish her for that than to ascertain what the emergency was.
Edit - no anger here for the record - just enjoying the first day of cable internet at work after 9 years of having nothing :aok
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I agree with all the posts in this thread. The girl was wrong for cussing. (Understandable due to the situation) The cop was wrong for loosing his Professionalism, when a distressed person was calling the Emergency services.
but civies need training how to handle an emergency before an officer loses his life's work over this.
Just who and how are the communities going to train EVERY Civilian to handle an emergency?
Who is going to Pay for the location and Instructors time?
(I had to do something like this WITHOUT 911, imagine my frustration when they kept asking what police district I was in! I was in the 7th grade!)
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mmmm cable *drools* :D
You're right about him handling it very poorly for his experience. I agree also with what you say about him taking more free time and working less hours. The girl was more keen to announce that she now had a right to sue someone than to blurt out her father's condition. Then in the following calls she still totaly fails to mention any type of emergency and appears to be just wasting their time. To someone with 20 years experience this feels exactly like a textbook prank call. The biggest mistake he made was jumping on her for swearing
Young adults need training on how to report an emergency efficiently. That is the bottom line for me.
Spacer: at the very least, we could all try to increase public awareness in this situation instead of just wrecking one man's livelyhood, paying a teenager some cash and considering the problem dealt with.
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mmmm cable *drools* :D
You're right about him handling it very poorly for his experience. I agree also with what you say about him taking more free time and working less hours. The girl was more keen to announce that she now had a right to sue someone than to blurt out her father's condition. Then in the following calls she still totaly fails to mention any type of emergency and appears to be just wasting their time. To someone with 20 years experience this feels exactly like a textbook prank call. The biggest mistake he made was jumping on her for swearing
Young adults need training on how to report an emergency efficiently. That is the bottom line for me.
Spacer: at the very least, we could all try to increase public awareness in this situation instead of just wrecking one man's livelyhood, paying a teenager some cash and considering the problem dealt with.
Fair enough. In my town, at least, I expect when someone cries "Wolf!" that the cavalry will be dispatched ASAP, and we can sort out if the creature was imaginary later. She did ask for an ambulance, repeatedly. I would have been inclined to ask why she wanted that before I asked why she was swearing.
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The officer could in fact be guilty of several crimes. Dereliction of duty, reckless endangerment, falsifying reports, misleading emergency personnel... I'm betting he's looking at jail time for this idiocy.
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Spacer: at the very least, we could all try to increase public awareness in this situation instead of just wrecking one man's livelyhood, paying a teenager some cash and considering the problem dealt with.
Unless the father died, the teenager wouldn't be the one suing. That "honor" would fall to the man twitching helplessly on the floor while this whole fiasco was occurring.
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at the very least, we could all try to increase public awareness in this situation instead of just wrecking one man's livelyhood, paying a 'victim' some cash and considering the problem dealt with.
can we agree on that at all?
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I think the problem really stems from this officer being a veteran of abusive confrontational and testosterone filled chest-thumping situations and he has decided that he has had enough of it and its time to fight back. That kind of attitude could easily lead to much bigger problems so he either needs some serious training some psychological treatment or a pink slip. I dont think you can blame the girl at all.
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She was thinking straight enough to be able to talking about lawsuits. It doesnt ring true.
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She was thinking straight enough to be able to talking about lawsuits. It doesnt ring true.
u sure she wasn't just babbling?
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I am of the thinking (as are many others) that a majority of cops become cops ultimately to satisfy an urge to control others or to have some kind of power over them..
I am suspect of ALL cops until I know them personally(best buddy is a detective for Indianapolis Metro PD and I'm buddies with all his buddies)..
I believe all cops have a superiority complex to some degree(again, why they become cops)..
My thinking is proven once again by this information shared here..
This sweetheart would rather chastise this girl and hang up on her several times because NO ONE is allowed to disrespect him and then lying about it when the call is dispatched (knowing full well
he's being recorded).. Not only does he not help her, he arrests her for going to the station to make a complaint.. Again, shows his superiority complex.. It is doubtless that if this was somehow kept hush hush and not made public, he and his buddies would be laughing about it at the donut shop..
Never trust a cop.... Most are more concerned with their pride than your safety....
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at the very least, we could all try to increase public awareness in this situation instead of just wrecking one man's livelyhood, paying a 'victim' some cash and considering the problem dealt with.
can we agree on that at all?
there should be no lawsuits.
this guy shouldn't lose his job.....if it's the first time he's done something like this.
however........he should have some counseling on dealing with "excited" people. he should have a pretty noticeable slap on the wrist. one that he'll thinnk about next time he wants to be like that.
the girl needs to grow up. unfortunately, that'll only come with time.
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I am of the thinking (as are many others) that a majority of cops become cops ultimately to satisfy an urge to control others or to have some kind of power over them..
I am suspect of ALL cops until I know them personally(best buddy is a detective for Indianapolis Metro PD and I'm buddies with all his buddies)..
I believe all cops have a superiority complex to some degree(again, why they become cops)..
My thinking is proven once again by this information shared here..
This sweetheart would rather chastise this girl and hang up on her several times because NO ONE is allowed to disrespect him and then lying about it when the call is dispatched (knowing full well
he's being recorded).. Not only does he not help her, he arrests her for going to the station to make a complaint.. Again, shows his superiority complex.. It is doubtless that if this was somehow kept hush hush and not made public, he and his buddies would be laughing about it at the donut shop..
Never trust a cop.... Most are more concerned with their pride than your safety....
:rofl
^ That's about the sum of what I think of your post. :aok
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:rofl
^ That's about the sum of what I think of your post. :aok
Where did I infer that I was concerned with what you think?
Nice that you can come on here and ridicule instead of putting down an actual thought..
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Wow, I actually had to rewind and replay this again..twice.
Caller:"Are you going to give me an ambulance?"
911:"Are you going to swear again. you stupid a**?" :huh :confused:
If that had been my farther who was having a seizure and I got this, I would of went down their and rung his neck :mad: :mad:
Sorry, I dont see an excuse for this. He didnt even ask what the emergency was, for all he knew someone could be dying. The first time she started swearing was before the officer even got on the line so it clearly wasnt directed at him.
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To those defending the officer, what would you have done if it was your farther was the one in need of an ambulance?
Another question: What if the guy had died?
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Stodd, it is terrible behaviour from an officer of the law. I'm not defending the officer I am pointing out how he may not be the most at fault. The only thing that makes it totaly fault is that his job means he cannot have a bad day or lose his temper. They are both only human.
If it was my father I would be more interested in saying he was having a fit than shouting 'I will sue you'.
If he died, I would wish for the rest of my life that I had be calm and rational enough to get a simple message across.
I'm out now, i think i've said enough.
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Wow, I actually had to rewind and replay this again..twice.
Caller:"Are you going to give me an ambulance?"
911:"Are you going to swear again. you stupid a**?" :huh :confused:
If that had been my farther who was having a seizure and I got this, I would of went down their and rung his neck :mad: :mad:
Sorry, I dont see an excuse for this. He didnt even ask what the emergency was, for all he knew someone could be dying. The first time she started swearing was before the officer even got on the line so it clearly wasnt directed at him.
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To those defending the officer, what would you have done if it was your farther was the one in need of an ambulance?
Another question: What if the guy had died?
i already made mention of the 3 officers it took to keep me off of the amulance dude many many moons ago when i was told i shouldn't have called them for my grandpop.
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Ya the girl should of done a better job, im not disagreeing their. She should of said what the emergency was. If she was that mad at the officer, she can go after him in court or whatever LATER, not when her farther is in need of an ambulance.
However I believe the officer is more at blame here, to actually hang up on a girl who needed help for swearing during an emergency situation :huh ?
And then the officer's call to rescue:
Officer: I couldnt find out what the emergency was. UMM HELLO!?! you hung up on her!
CAP, check your pms.
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If you are a clerk working at a retail store, you are required to act professionally.. You are required to take insults.. You are required to smile at all times..
You are required to act accordingly with the concept that the customer is always right.. If you do not, it is your job.. Granted, being a clerk at a retail store
is considered menial job and some would see the clerk as deserving of the BS that comes with the territory.. Yet, they seem to be held at a higher standard than
most cops..
Cops are not held to the same standard.. The only time something comes out is if it wasn't covered up enough or if there is/was some kind of inter-department rivalry of
some kind and they snitch each other out.. Otherwise, cops take care of each other.. This is especially easier to do with larger city departments and inner-city precincts
where most people of those areas are below the poverty level and it is easy to dismiss any wrongdoing on the police's part..
I believe less than 1% of police actually took on the job to help people..
I have 2 personal experiences (one of which landed me in jail for the night with an assault charge[which was dropped] on a guy who tried to break in to my house)..
In this instance, the cops were more concerned with my questioning why it took them almost 10 minutes to respond to a 911 call of breaking and entering..
I live in a small town outside of Indianapolis.. Population 1500.. I am an amateur radio operator and monitor several scanners that have every surrounding department's
frequency programmed.. The average response time of an average call is 1 minute or less(where I live)..
Instances like this will only become more frequent with time.. Given another 10-15 years, I don't see police here being much better than those of Mexico or Russia
where corruption is common place and those that don't conform are "silenced"..
Most cops throw the U.S. Constitution out the window and really have no clue about it what so ever besides the 1st few words "We the People" which is something they openly mock..
I know a few of you in here are cops and hats off to you if you're an honest cop especially.. :salute
I can post 1000's of things just like this and similar instances like these are becoming more common each day..
http://neomic.blogspot.com/2009/07/cops-have-too-much-power.html (http://neomic.blogspot.com/2009/07/cops-have-too-much-power.html)<--not work friendly
As posted previously, my best buddy is a detective and I rode with him almost on a regular basis for years before he was a detective.. I've seen the abuse of power first hand
on many occasions and have even been told myself to keep my mouth shut with my buddy saying "Better listen to 'eml, dude"..
I have every reason not to trust any cops... Especially ones I don't know..
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that was bs :furious
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The girl was to blame for how it went. The cop should have been big enough to do his job not worry about swearing but we don't know how many prank calls he got that week, or that day.
If this situation is to be avoided again then teenagers should be trained in how to relay an important message without threatening to sue the people they want help from. I dont blame the cop at all, I feel sorry for him that this will hurt his carear so badly. Stupid little girl doesn't even care that her tantrum will cost a man and his familly their lively hood.
I go midway between this comment.
The officer should have maintained professionalism, he should have calmed her down enough to find out what's wrong. On the other hand, she should have known to wait for the officer and when he DID arrive to say something along the lines of, "Sir, my dad's inside having a seizure, he got out of surgery not long ago." In which case a medical team would have been brought to the area ASAP. Where instead her continued "flamebaiting" just made the officer want to cooperate even less. An officer (at least in the state of Oregon) has the right to refuse medical attention to anyone, a medic doesn't. If he was in Oregon, he'd be within the law, but I don't think he woulda gotten much sleep that night... Although his reaction was completely unnecessary, and I think that a suspension should be in order.
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She handled it just like a normal person would have. Those that said she handled it wrong have probably never been in an emergency like that. For all she knew her father was dieing in front of her. The first words out of the ''officer's'' month should have been ''Okay 'mam calm down. What is the emergency''. If he was a professional he would have known that people panic when in a stressfull situation. After being asked to send an ambulance three times and hanging up three times he finally asks for one and lies about what happened.
IMO he should be made to apologize in public, fired for unprofessionalism, then arrested. After that the family should sue him for his 62k/yr.
Every time Iv had to call 911 the first word out of their mouth was ''911 what's your emergency?''.
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Where did I infer that I was concerned with what you think?
Nice that you can come on here and ridicule instead of putting down an actual thought..
Ok brainiac,
You must think the same of the military?
Hell, they get to go to other countries and enforce their will on people, and they get bigger weapons and get to blow up more stuff. Ask them why they joined and I bet a good majority say either 'I get to blow s**t up' or 'The uniform looks awesome'.
I felt 100x more power in the Corps than I do in a patrol car.
Now, continue your Pig rant...
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Ok brainiac,
You must think the same of the military?
Hell, they get to go to other countries and enforce their will on people, and they get bigger weapons and get to blow up more stuff. Ask them why they joined and I bet a good majority say either 'I get to blow s**t up' or 'The uniform looks awesome'.
I felt 100x more power in the Corps than I do in a patrol car.
Now, continue your Pig rant...
One could make the argument that in a Republic, it's the citizens' job to distrust the police and military. That doesn't mean you can't be appreciative, however.
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I go midway between this comment.
The officer should have maintained professionalism, he should have calmed her down enough to find out what's wrong. On the other hand, she should have known to wait for the officer and when he DID arrive to say something along the lines of, "Sir, my dad's inside having a seizure, he got out of surgery not long ago." In which case a medical team would have been brought to the area ASAP. Where instead her continued "flamebaiting" just made the officer want to cooperate even less. An officer (at least in the state of Oregon) has the right to refuse medical attention to anyone, a medic doesn't. If he was in Oregon, he'd be within the law, but I don't think he woulda gotten much sleep that night... Although his reaction was completely unnecessary, and I think that a suspension should be in order.
normally, your posts make a lot of sense, and are good. this one isn't one of them.
you type this as if you think everyone knows how to remain calm when faced with what they believe to be the impending death of a loved one. on top of that, she's only 17. probably daddys girl too, and he probably sheltered her all of her life. accordingly, she has no clue how to deal with such an emergency. hell, how many adults would remain calm in that situation? very few i would imagine.
i'm 47. mom is 68 and diabetic. she stays with me for 1/2 of the year, then goes to stay with my brother. if she was up here, and i came home from a hard 12 hour day(i worked 14 hours yesterday, and it was 110F+ in the shop) found mom on the kitchen floor, i'd be kinda "wound up" as i dialed 911 too. hard day, mom dying......the person on the other end dam well better just get someone out here, regardless of how i act. i'll deal with the consequences after mom's safe.
i thinnk one of the problems, is that a lot here have forgotten what it is like to be young. had the officer simply done what(i think) is part of the job of 911 operators, and did his best to calm her, and simply get the ambulance out there, he could've admonished her(or preferably explained to her why she was wrong in her actions, and taught her to deal with emergency better for next time) later.
it's not the operators decision as to whether or not to dispatch an ambulance. it's their job to get it out there when one is requested, especially on an emergency line. again, admonish later if it wasn't really needed.
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It is perplexing that some think that someone who swears on the phone do not have the same rights as people who don't. She said "what the [insert most popular swear word]" and was mid sentence when the cop answered. For that some people apparently thinks she deserved no help from out tax-funded emergency services, and in fact deserved to potentially watch her dad die on the floor. Not to mention the rights of her dad. LEO's are public servants payed for by the taxpayers; they are supposed to call me sir, not the other way around. Ungrateful [insert most popular swear word].
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It is perplexing that some think that someone who swears on the phone do not have the same rights as people who don't. She said "what the [insert most popular swear word]" and was mid sentence when the cop answered. For that some people apparently thinks she deserved no help from out tax-funded emergency services, and in fact deserved to potentially watch her dad die on the floor. Not to mention the rights of her dad. LEO's are public servants payed for by the taxpayers; they are supposed to call me sir, not the other way around. Ungrateful [insert most popular swear word].
actually in my younger dumber days.......i used to piss off quite a few officers with the "sir" thing. call em that too much....like at the end of every sentence........
now adays, though, IF i do somethign to get stopped, i just behave, as i don't need the extra hassle.
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ROFL, Officer Nancy can't deal with other people cursing, but has no problem cursing himself lol. What a love muffin.
Anyhow, given the circumstances of her call and his position as a dispatcher, she may have a decent IIED case. I don't care one way or the other about what administrative punishment the officer may or may not get, but if he's found guilty of a tort he should certainly have to pay for it. And of course, you shouldn't be arrested for fictitious crimes. Hopefully we can all agree on that lol.
-Sik
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I think it's time to retire. Stupid POS.
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The officer should be disciplined and the stupid girl should be too. No excuse for her stupid foul mouth.
Society shouldn't have to accept the F-word as just another adjective.
Letting one slip from time to time is forgivable, but I'm guessing it's normally a huge part of her low class, stupid vocabulary.
When I was her age I wasn't so conditioned to talk that way that I was totally unable to refrain from it in any situation.
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Freedom of speech Jimson.
She's a heroine in my book. She went to extraordinary lengths to get help for her father, and stood up for her rights.
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The officer should be disciplined and the stupid girl should be too. No excuse for her stupid foul mouth.
Society shouldn't have to accept the F-word as just another adjective.
Letting one slip from time to time is forgivable, but I'm guessing it's normally a huge part of her low class, stupid vocabulary.
When I was her age I wasn't so conditioned to talk that way that I was totally unable to refrain from it in any situation.
I could be wrong, but from the report it sounded like her "wtf" was when she called back after being hung up on the first time. When 911 hangs up on you while you think your dad is dying... I think that's a situation where wtf is justified lol. I find it interesting that they don't play the first phone call.
-Sik
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Certainly can't defend the guy for hanging up on her, any other situation I'd applaud him, but this was possibly life or death. You just can't do that.
Still, when he asks her not to swear, her response is "ok, send me an f!!ng ambulance!"
She didn't swear once out of excitement. She just kept doing it, so she is also a jerk in my opinion.
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In most cases, including this one, being a jerk is not illegal and certainly does not invalidate your civil and constitutional rights.
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In most cases, including this one, being a jerk is not illegal and certainly does not invalidate your civil and constitutional rights.
True, and If there is no crime, she shouldn't be charged, but I'm still not gonna laud her as some kind of heroine.
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A 17 year old girl stood up to a cop that refused to help her dad and verbally abused her. She then rushed to the local police headquarters to get help, but instead gets arrested on trumped-up and fictitious charges. If she doesn't deserve your respect, then you don't deserve mine.
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this isn't etiquette 101, this is 911.
hanging up on anyone in an emergency situation without knowing the extent of the emergency is beyond unprofessional, it is a breach of the general trust that the public places in
these officers and it's too high of a risk to keep anyone who cannot handle a simple teenager with calmness in such a critical position.
to arrest her for trying to file a complaint?
that's a flagrant abuse of power.
accomodations or not, this exposes his own weakness and puts the others who do this very difficult job in a bad light.
i say, fire his bellybutton and never look back.
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A 17 year old girl stood up to a cop that refused to help her dad and verbally abused her. She then rushed to the local police headquarters to get help, but instead gets arrested on trumped-up and fictitious charges. If she doesn't deserve your respect, then you don't deserve mine.
I listened to the call again. In the first one, he calmly told her she didn't need to swear and asked her to slow down. She responded with profanity. In subsequent calls when he asked her not to swear, she again responded with profanity.
I have already said the officer was at fault, but if you can listen to that and think she was acting correctly, then we can agree to disagree.
I'll live without your respect, but you still have mine.
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I'm of the opinion that respect has to be earned, and I don't know what I've done to deserve yours. That aside, if a 17 year old girl runs up to me in the street yelling "what the twittle, I need an ambulance!", I'd say "oh my God! What the twittle is wrong and what can I do to help... HONEY! CALL 911!". I wouldn't say "Don't swear you stupid ass! You're a buffoon!" and just dismiss her. If something similar had happened to me and a loved one died as a result I would seriously be considering murdering that LEO.
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Ok brainiac,
You must think the same of the military?
Hell, they get to go to other countries and enforce their will on people, and they get bigger weapons and get to blow up more stuff. Ask them why they joined and I bet a good majority say either 'I get to blow s**t up' or 'The uniform looks awesome'.
I felt 100x more power in the Corps than I do in a patrol car.
Now, continue your Pig rant...
My wife's cousin has been a Nurse in the Navy for 16 years.. Bet ya she and all her colleagues joined so she could "blow s**t up", eh?
One of my best buddies I went to Chef school with has been cooking in the Navy for almost 12 years.. The Navy paid for his all of his
culinary training.. He's an executive chef now and cooks for major functions within the military.. Bet ya he joined so he could "blow s**t up" too, huh?
Perhaps this signifies the caliber of persons that you and I associate with.. Most people I know joined the military (including myself) for financial reasons(college)
or professional reasons(led to believe by recruiters that their training carried over in civilian life and would help them get a job, which it did not unfortunately)..
Your post has just solidified my opinion on the majority of police and why they become a cops.. Thank you..
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I'm of the opinion that respect has to be earned, and I don't know what I've done to deserve yours. That aside, if a 17 year old girl runs up to me in the street yelling "what the twittle, I need an ambulance!", I'd say "oh my God! What the twittle is wrong and what can I do to help... HONEY! CALL 911!". I wouldn't say "Don't swear you stupid ass! Your a buffoon!" and just dismiss her. If something similar had happened to me and a loved one died as a result I would seriously be considering murdering that LEO.
I just see no reason to deny respect over a disagreement.
I guess I just have a pet peeve with people dropping F-bombs as if it was just another regular word to be used in any conversation.
I've always felt that was rude and disrespectful. Perhaps that is why she rubbed me the wrong way.
I think we can all agree that there is no excuse for this guy to hang up on her.
I don't see how anyone could do that in a possible life or death situation.
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I use the word in question quite often, but only as an explicative. That girl had every reason to be explicative about the situation.
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Can him.
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My wife's cousin has been a Nurse in the Navy for 16 years.. Bet ya she and all her colleagues joined so she could "blow s**t up", eh?
One of my best buddies I went to Chef school with has been cooking in the Navy for almost 12 years.. The Navy paid for his all of his
culinary training.. He's an executive chef now and cooks for major functions within the military.. Bet ya he joined so he could "blow s**t up" too, huh?
Perhaps this signifies the caliber of persons that you and I associate with.. Most people I know joined the military (including myself) for financial reasons(college)
or professional reasons(led to believe by recruiters that their training carried over in civilian life and would help them get a job, which it did not unfortunately)..
Your post has just solidified my opinion on the majority of police and why they become a cops.. Thank you..
You know about 0 when it comes to Police and why they become such, your posts solidified my opinion on that. Thank you...
A chef and a nurse... really...?
'The caliber of persons that you and I associate with'... You mean POGs v. infantry...I thought you sounded stuck up...
Every Marine Ive ever talked to has said one of those 2 reasons, and a majority of the Army pukes (even though their uniforms are disgusting)
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as a kid I joined for the benefits. As an adult I came back in to blow toejam up.
-Sik
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Bottom line here is simple.
1) 911 is an emergency response number
2) A call and formal request for an ambulance was received
3) the caller was abusive and/or agitated
Accordingly the officer should have immediately rolled the ambulance as per the request BECAUSE the caller was either agitated or it was an abuse of system call. He then could elect to either roll a uniform initially or wait for confirmation of a "false alarm". The statistical curve on survivability in 911 scenario's is measured in minutes and there is no place for his preconspetions or prejudices.
If in fact his prior service record is as pristine as indicated then a letter of reprimand and counseling is more then sufficient. Whats important is that a clear and fair message clearly outlining the reality that any 911 operator responds on the assumption that the call is valid till proven otherwise.
When you call 911 you the right to expect a professional on the other end, even if your a foul mouthed teenage twit...
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Humble, if those were his only mistakes... He also falsified reports, lied to the emergency personnel about his conversations with the girl, illegally arrested the girl on trumped-up and fictitious charges, and in doing all this he recklessly endangered a man's life.
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Granted, being a clerk at a retail store
is considered menial job and some would see the clerk as deserving of the BS that comes with the territory..
Boy, talk about a superiority complex.
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You know about 0 when it comes to Police and why they become such, your posts solidified my opinion on that. Thank you...
A chef and a nurse... really...?
'The caliber of persons that you and I associate with'... You mean POGs v. infantry...I thought you sounded stuck up...
Every Marine Ive ever talked to has said one of those 2 reasons, and a majority of the Army pukes (even though their uniforms are disgusting)
"You know about 0 when it comes to Police and why they become such, your posts solidified my opinion on that. Thank you..."
The less you think I know, the better.... :D
For the "caliber of persons" comment, I was merely pointing out the difference that most of the people you spoke with on their reasons for joining were basically opposite of why I joined as well as the rest of my friends/family/associates who served.. The reality of the fact is that you joined to blow stuff up while others had a bit more forward thinking of a view..
Doesn't signify greater intelligence, but it does signify maturity to a degree.. I realize that was probably some time ago and you probably have a completely different outlook now..
However, "be advised".. I don't trust you people.. I have my reasons many of which would be to insulting.. Deal with it..
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Boy, talk about a superiority complex.
I'm only conveying the reality of the situation.. No where did I say this is what I thought personally..
Also, you've taken what I've said out of context.. What I was trying to convey was that retail sales people
as well as customer service reps in any industry are held to a higher standard than cops for significantly less money.. In fact, I stated this plainly..
But you refused to add it only to propagate what ever your position is, if you have one..
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However, "be advised".. I don't trust you people.. I have my reasons many of which would be to insulting.. Deal with it..
Wheres that paranoid smiley at...
I wont even touch the 'maturity' part... stuck up...
:noid
Ah, there it is.
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Wheres that paranoid smiley at...
I wont even touch the 'maturity' part... stuck up...
:noid
Ah, there it is.
Again, the less you know that I know, the better....
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Again, the less you know that I know, the better....
Sure thing boss :aok
:aok
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My brother is a 911 dispatcher. If he pulled that stunt he would be fired, point blank. Granted in this area dispatchers are civilians and not police officers as in the stated case. However...can him, an example needs to be set.
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You know about 0 when it comes to Police and why they become such, your posts solidified my opinion on that. Thank you...
A chef and a nurse... really...?
'The caliber of persons that you and I associate with'... You mean POGs v. infantry...I thought you sounded stuck up...
Every Marine Ive ever talked to has said one of those 2 reasons, and a majority of the Army pukes (even though their uniforms are disgusting)
if anyone cares, i've met quite a few air force personel. they have to be the absolute best bunch of people i've ever met. including a couple of the thunderbirds when it was raining last year, keeping them on the ground.
i've dealt with Security Forces personel on mcguire afb, tanker pilots, tower personel, boomers, and even one guy, that i don't know what he did.....but he had an aircompressor, and i needed it.......he was beyond helpful to me that day, and almost jumped at the chance to help me.
i met the guy that got to fly the c-17 in the air show last year at mcguire. i have a customer;s car here right now....he flys f-16's out of atlantic city.
these are the highest caliber people i've ever met. :aok :aok
oo...and at the last airshow, one of my cadets came running up to me telling of how some guy got up and walked away from where he was watching the airshow. he left a rather large paper bag there. i went with him to a couple of security forces guys, who very patiently listened to this kid.......then they went and checked it out. it turned out to be nothing. but the two officers that we originally spoke with sought out this cadet, and made sure that they told him how good of a job he did, being that alert. that made his day. :aok