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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jetster on July 22, 2009, 11:59:02 AM
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What is the best plane? What do you think is the best plane in the game and why? :noid
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I don't have a good answer, only that your question is like asking what's the most beautiful woman alive. You'll get a different answer from everyone.
In my opinion, the best plane is the one you choose to fly the most. You'll be fodder for a while, until you get used to how it handles and learn your capabilities as a cartoon pilot.
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What is the best plane?
That's easy to answer:
There is none.
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all planes are good in there own ways just gotta learn them, i havent masterd any yet but its good fun learning.
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I think I like the 109K-4, despite that little compressibility issue and the short belt on the Tatergun. Otherwise, it can do it all - but most of all climb like a monkey. After that, I tend to fly many of the F-Dubs - D-9, A-8, and F-8, but think they are somewhat disadvantaged, certainly, in the flat turn and burn fights. I caught another thread about the real world vs. sim performance issues that seem to inevitably focus on the A-8 as an example of a plane that was very good in the real world but suffers here - especially vis-a-vis the Spit.
I think a big part of the issue is g-feedback and the disparate impact it has on horizontal versus vertical dogfighting. I'm just developing this thought but my experience in vertical fighting in the sim says that you're less certain of orientation w/r ground at any time in this mode than you would be doing flat turn & burn type maneuvers where your orientation w/r ground is limited to a fairly narrow range. This last occurs b/c you rely solely on visual cues, as opposed to grav and inertial forces + visual cues (real world), in the sim. The other, but only intermittent, advantage a vertical turner has is, in negative g-looping, the 1g grav assist their brain gets at the top of the loop - which helps limits the blackout.
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You can find me IN my F4U1A
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Not sure what is the best but can certainly give you a line on which is the worst : WHICHever one I'm flying!!
I know about going where the pointy end is and making sure the whirly-thinga-ma-jig thingy is whirling but...
It keeps falling out of the air - :uhoh - does everyone else have THICKER air??
Where can I buy some eh??
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What is the best plane? What do you think is the best plane in the game and why? :noid
The best plane is the plane that you have the most fun flying in.
But if you want to split hairs, then the obvious answer is the P-38 and anyone that denies that fact is just dillusional and need of some serious psychiatric help.
ack-ack
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Best Planes for me:
Fighter:
1. With CAP in place and my country owning the hi alt :190 A8
2. Furball away from base and time to climb : 190 A4
3. Furball Close to Base :LA7/Nikki
Attack:
1. Going for GV's with Cons in area :p51B
2. Going for GV's with No Cons in Area :p47N
3. Bringing down Town with minimal Cons :110
4. Bringing down GV Base with No Cons :P48N
5. Smash and Grab GV Base : 190F8
Bomber:
1. Milk Run for Rank :JU87
2. Closing a Base : Lancasters
GVs:
1. Milk Run to Strat for Rank: LVT
2. Rocket Run for Rank: SkdfZ or whatever it is
3. GV Smash and Grab :M8
4. GV Battle:T34
Noob Planes in my book:
P51D
Nikki
190D9
LA7
Spit16
Sure, everyone flies them at one point or another, but the best sticks in the game (and no, I dont consider myself one of them) eventually grow boored and look for more of a challenge, hence the 47's F4U's, 109's and older and odder variants of more popular models.
When I see someone in a Spit8, I know I am in for a fight. When I see a 16, I know I can just out patient him, and eventually he will make a mistake, he is not in the game for the same reasons I am, and that is what is going to get him killed.
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The best plane is the plane that you have the most fun flying in.
But if you want to split hairs, then the obvious answer is the P-38 and anyone that denies that fact is just dillusional and need of some serious psychiatric help.
ack-ack
I filed this response under my old definition of a lesbian: any woman who wouldn't date me.
Though I do like that L Model for carrying ords in and fighting and smoking on the way out....
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Noob Planes in my book:
P51D
Nikki
190D9
LA7
Spit16
Sure, everyone flies them at one point or another . . .
No... everyone doesn't
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The best plane in AH is the RV-8.
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P-39Q
:noid
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What is the best plane? What do you think is the best plane in the game and why? :noid
the one flown by the pile-it that knows how to fly it to it's strengths.
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If you want to learn accuracy and making your shots count with limited ammo, fly a Yak- either the 9T or 9U. Best I've found for that purpose, IMO.
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1. Milk Run to Strat for Rank: LVT
As a major scoretard I say: You are wrong on that one ;)
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When I see someone in a Spit8, I know I am in for a fight. When I see a 16, I know I can just out patient him, and eventually he will make a mistake, he is not in the game for the same reasons I am, and that is what is going to get him killed.
not always, I fly it often now, I am interested in the fight against the hourde, I regularly put my self against as many as I can, and having one of the greatest planes is a way of evening the odds somewhat.
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oh ya best plane is too hard to say, best for what?
best furballer?
best attack?
best picker?
best vulcher?
best bomber hunter?
ect ect ect
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For me:
Best 1v1 chance: F4U-1A
Best 1v2+ chance: K4
Best actually able to hit the darn enemy chance: Mosquito
Best over all chance: F4U-4 (doesn't leave much to be desired)
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P-38, case closed :aok
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P-38, case closed :aok
What he said. :)
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F4U-1A is my favorite plane I'm best in. if i need ord I'll take a -1D, -1C or -4 depending on target, distance and amount of enemy cons.
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The A6M5b, but thats just my opinion.
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The best plane IMO is the one you have the most fun with. For me it's the B17 and B25, nothing is quite as fun as dog fighting in a B25H.
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well, if we're gonna give our opinions, then to me it is the p38 hands down. i've been finding that i can do things in that plane that i could never do in other planes.
besides that.....she's one of the most beautiful aircraft to ever grace the skies. :aok
EVER
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As a major scoretard I say: You are wrong on that one ;)
A20 drop all 8 bombs hitting as many buildings as possible, then strafe remaining buildings with 50 cals to improve your kills hit%. Boom baby
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The best plane is the plane I am flying at any given time. Gawd I love this game! :rock
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A20 drop all 8 bombs hitting as many buildings as possible, then strafe remaining buildings with 50 cals to improve your kills hit%. Boom baby
LVT scores vehicle and A20 as attacker or bomber...
And for scoring in attack mode, A20 isn't the "best" plane either...
gawd, I'm such a dweeb... :lol
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Best Planes for me:
A8Hatrick had a nice list of planes that work for him for many different types of engagements or for their uses.
I'm surprised no one mentioned the Ki-84. It's a great all a rounder with a nice gun package, bombs heavy enough to take out a couple of tanks, great fuel range, TOUGH enough to take a major beating and still fly home, Fast and can turn very well.
With proper throt control it can be used as a B&Z'er or to stall fight.
My favorites while in the game were
F6
Spit8
Ki-84 / 61
FM2.... I was very good with this one
P-51B
202 in the DA
Never did like the German planes much cept for the 109f and 190-A5
The best plane IMO is the one you have the most fun with.
I fly (SPIT8)often now, I am interested in the fight against the hourde, I regularly put my self against as many as I can, and having one of the greatest planes is a way of evening the odds somewhat.
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U4 hands down.
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I geuss i better say the P38 to keep the rank of P38 Dweeb.
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F4U-4
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I geuss i better say the P38 to keep the rank of P38 Dweeb.
Ki-84's kill 38's w ease,,,, F4U's harder but still very manageable unless they run ;) :D
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Ki-84's kill 38's w ease,,,, :D
Interesting..... I have not found Ki-84s to be much of an issue.
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Interesting..... I have not found Ki-84s to be much of an issue.
Same, as long as you keep the Ki-84 from popping its flaps out, no problem. YMMV.
ack-ack
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Sir, the best plane is the P-38.
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Same, as long as you keep the Ki-84 from popping its flaps out, no problem. YMMV.
ack-ack
i haven't fought a ki84, but have fought a couple ki61's(?) in mw. they're fun. they''re tasty too.
how do you keep an enemy from popping his flaps?
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Mosquito best all around plane.
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how do you keep an enemy from popping his flaps?
Keep them above the speed at which they can deploy flaps.
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P47D-11 or 25
It's a great plane to learn in since it will take a lot of punishment so you can afford to make a few mistakes.
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i haven't fought a ki84, but have fought a couple ki61's(?) in mw. they're fun. they''re tasty too.
how do you keep an enemy from popping his flaps?
By keeping the fight from going slow enough that the Ki-84 can get its flaps out. Keep the fight fast against a Ki-84 and you'll have the edge since you'll be able to deploy your flaps at a higher speed than the Ki-84 can.
ack-ack
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This plane:
the plane that you have the most fun flying in.
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I go with AKAKs comment, best plane is one you can have most fun in.. Which doesn't mean the plane you can get most kills in.
If I was to pick one non-perked aircraft as the best.. And by best assuming best overall I'd take the Pony D. Simply for it's fuel range, and two most often overlooked advantages compared to almost anything else. Over the nose gun view and all around visibility.
For pure fighter and easy mode. The Spit16 as it's basically a Tempest with better E retention and two less Hispanos.
Best Perk ride and best plane in the game F4U-4 fantastic performance,gun platform and with it's uber flaps can almost float about like a zeke when it needs to which just makes it ridiculously easy to get kills in.
Always a good thread topic, but I think it's been covered numerous times in the Aircraft forum.
<S>...-Gixer
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G14/K4 are my favorites...followed by Ki84. The 30mm only allows the enemy one mistake...it is beautiful.
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god! everyone has their favorite.
Depends on how you fly.....I have heard that there are some that don't declare the corsair as the best....really! Believe it or not, there are a few misguided souls that wont bow to the clearly superior corsair! ( they're the ones you see with the training wheels on their planes)
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I do like the KI84 I have good ratio with it, but im starting to like the K4, And the hell cat is a beast also..........
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Ki-84's kill 38's w ease,,,, F4U's harder but still very manageable unless they run ;) :D
The F4U-1A vs. Ki-84 is one of my favorite match ups in the game. If you ever feel like going a few in the DA, by all means, PM me :)
Edit - that goes for any of you Ki-84 types... Battle of the flaps, here we come ;)
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Il2 -with f3 mode it's like driving a convertible, pwns everything from 262s to Tigers; sux vs Jeeps, can't catch them
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Excluding the Me-163 and Me-262...
Best perked fighter: Tempest
Best unperked fighter: Spit XVI
'Nuff said.
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I share your affinity for the Tempest.
OTOH, I don't understand this fixation for the hawg, even as I acknowledge how difficult it is to kill one. It seems like, whenever I approach one in a K-4 or 190D-9, that the F4U is always able to pull an unbelievably tight low-speed turn to evade me. It sounds like they do this by deploying flaps.
My question: how the hell do they know I'm coming? The six view in that thing is impossible. Every time I fly the turd I feel like I have zero rear vis.
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I share your affinity for the Tempest.
OTOH, I don't understand this fixation for the hawg, even as I acknowledge how difficult it is to kill one. It seems like, whenever I approach one in a K-4 or 190D-9, that the F4U is always able to pull an unbelievably tight low-speed turn to evade me. It sounds like they do this by deploying flaps.
My question: how the hell do they know I'm coming? The six view in that thing is impossible. Every time I fly the turd I feel like I have zero rear vis.
we use the force, adjust our view and have superior SA.
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In a 1vs1 fight between a Tempest and an F4U-4, I'd take the F4U-4, fwiw, but most arena fights don't fit that category. If you do find yourself out-maneuvered in the Tempest, it's the easiest thing in the world to disengage.
It sounds like you need to learn to adjust your views.
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*Cough LA-5 *Cough
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What is the best plane? What do you think is the best plane in the game and why? :noid
F4U4.
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I pretty much stick with 2 planes nowadays: if I'm goin to a fight where I can get alt I get an F4U1A. If I'm not gonna get over 4 or 5k then spit8. Both are great horde busters.
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we use the force, adjust our view and have superior SA.
Well, I can only admit to very little stick time in the Hawg. I'll have to try again. I use a TrackIR and, last time I tried an F4U (in a Butcher Bird event), I was unable to find a view that showed me anything like six - it was more like low 5 to low 7 with that stupid armor canopy cutting out the high 5-7.
As I say, my empirical/anecdotal evidence DOES corrobrate your assertion.
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Size 11 is best
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I share your affinity for the Tempest.
. It seems like, whenever I approach one in a K-4 or 190D-9, that the F4U is always able to pull an unbelievably tight low-speed turn to evade me. It sounds like they do this by deploying flaps.
If they are pulling a tight, low speed turn to evade, they are surrendering to you and you should kill them every single time this happens.
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If they are pulling a tight, low speed turn to evade, they are surrendering to you and you should kill them every single time this happens.
Good. This looks like an opportunity to get a tactical clue.
I recognize, first, that when they are slow, yes, I have an advantage and can take a snapshot. Even if I miss, I can pull up, loop and reverse, and make another pass. I'm not sure if my problem with most of the F4U's I've run into is with the low-speed turn or with my inability to snapshot 'em to oblivion. Is my assessment here wrong? I should, given the initial advantage, be able to repeat as necessary, correct? It seems like the F4U runs pretty well though, and will only give me one or two attmepts t o get this right - or is there another tactic to employ when you're coming in high/fast on a low/slow turner? My first guess (after reversing and repeating) might be a high yo-yo (especially in the 190D) but it's a hard maneuver to judge for a relative noob.
For all those who might get defensive, no, this is not always how I've encountered F4U's. Indeed, one of my first kills in a 190d-9 was over a Spit all out of place at 20k whose wing I blew off. As I followed him down to really enjoy my kill and pump a few more rounds into him just for laughs, I was swooped by a high / fast F4u. This sort of "ruined the party" and resulted in a pw and damage, first pass, and death on the second.
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Godzilla,
The Corsair's Achilles' Heel is (level) acceleration and (non-zoom) climb. The F4U-4 lacks this weakness, and as such is often considered the "best" overall plane in the set.
A 190K4 is ideally suited to take advantage of these weaknesses, but if you aren't careful, your very strength might be used against you. While a non-perked Corsair is not wonderful at acceleration, it is perhaps the best decelerator in the game.
To completely oversimplify, if you're fighting a Corsair in your K4, you want to fight "UP" rather than "DOWN" or "LEVEL."
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Good. This looks like an opportunity to get a tactical clue.
I recognize, first, that when they are slow, yes, I have an advantage and can take a snapshot.
Well if he's pulling hard, your snapshot is going to require significant G's to pull. This means bleeding E. Pass on the snap shot and go up... dictate the fight from there(reset your SA here as well). The hog pilot wants you to pull for that snapshot for a couple of reasons... the E bleeding I mentioned and he may be able to get back in line on your 6 after your shot attempt for a fading 6 shot. If you want to play for a while, make a couple or 3 passes at him and beat the E out oh him until he is wallowing and at your mercy. If you must dispatch him with alacrity, make that first pass to slow him down, get on top of him then attack from vert, using roll rather than turn to get your nose on him.(simplified a bit). As mentioned, fight the hogs up up up. With the -4 do the same, just allow for his quicker E regeneration.
With the ballistics of the D9 cannon and the K4 tater, a high G snap shot is not impossible, but it will require more G's and skill than say.... US .50 cals.
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Vudak, Thanks.
The K-4 climbs like a ground-raped monkey - indeed is probably the best vertical fighter in the planeset. I say that as a guy who also likes the Tempest and all the F-Dubs. Generally, if I need to reverse in a K-4, I'll pull vertical and loop and roll - an Immelmann, I guess. Thus, I should be able to always stay above a non-perked F4U and get on his 6 via an Immelmann, correct?
From there, I should be able to get a firing pass - there's probably a solution for single shot, maybe two with the tater gun before he evades.
The good news, if I read you right, is that he shouldn't be able to touch me as long as I start with an altitude advantage - although he'll always have a better low-speed flat turn and I'll always be watching my airspeed on the downside of those verticals.
Probably the next F4U I see will be a HO. But, doubtless, this'll come in handy someday. I always try to remember, e.g., with the D-9 (stay fast, don't try to turn fight with a Spit, Yak, A6M, etc, don't try to outdive a P-47, don't ho with an IL2... etc. etc.) what my advantages/disadvantages are but really hadn't analyzed the F4U yet.
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Thanks Steve, I got a kill last week on a Skeeter that was foolish enough to try to follow my k-4 up. I couldn't help but notice his stall. I reversed and tatered him. It was some PLA (is that some LGBT thing here at AHII? - not that there's anything wrong with...) pilot - BigRed, I want to say.
Otherwise, your tactical advice looks sound. It looks like my problem is in attempting that snap - I always do - instead of working him over a bit more. The fading 6 shot sounds like him coming around on his flat turn as I climb away from the snap with diminished E, correct?
Otherwise, consider this 'nuff said: '96 LT4 CE coupe with the GS suspension package (and about 40k miles on it, an LPE cam, limited to 6400 rpm instead of 6k, flowmaster quaddies, and the sole cosmetic mod of an aluminum Radical cueball for the ZF - you know what I'm talking about C-4 boy, something we appear to share)...
Don't tell my office mates. I'm here at Ford Corporate.
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Vudak, Thanks.
The K-4 climbs like a ground-raped monkey - indeed is probably the best vertical fighter in the planeset. I say that as a guy who also likes the Tempest and all the F-Dubs. Generally, if I need to reverse in a K-4, I'll pull vertical and loop and roll - an Immelmann, I guess. Thus, I should be able to always stay above a non-perked F4U and get on his 6 via an Immelmann, correct?
From there, I should be able to get a firing pass - there's probably a solution for single shot, maybe two with the tater gun before he evades.
The good news, if I read you right, is that he shouldn't be able to touch me as long as I start with an altitude advantage - although he'll always have a better low-speed flat turn and I'll always be watching my airspeed on the downside of those verticals.
Probably the next F4U I see will be a HO. But, doubtless, this'll come in handy someday. I always try to remember, e.g., with the D-9 (stay fast, don't try to turn fight with a Spit, Yak, A6M, etc, don't try to outdive a P-47, don't ho with an IL2... etc. etc.) what my advantages/disadvantages are but really hadn't analyzed the F4U yet.
There's no trick that works every time, but let's say you were diving in on his 6 and he made a hard break turn to the left. If you follow him, try to pull lead pursuit to shoot him in that break turn, he is going to use your speed against you, barrel roll to the right, and put you in front of his guns.
Instead, you have a few options. When he breaks, you could pull back on your stick to start a climb. You could then roll to your left a bit to keep him in sight, and begin pulling towards him from higher above, and still in his six. If he reverses towards the right, you could then do the same thing, but this time to the right. Remember, every time he makes a hard, flat, break turn, he is losing energy. When you go up, you are banking a little. Once he makes a few of these, he might still have the energy to be able to turn a very tight circle, but will he be able to get around it before you swoop in for the shot? That is the question.
Alternately, if you have an incredible excess of speed, and he breaks hard to the left, you could go up, and make a large barrel roll towards the right. When you are coming towards the bottom of your roll, you would then pull towards him. This is assuming (for simplicity's sake) that he elected to just go for one 90 degree break turn.
The idea I'm trying to get across (and hopefully someone better at expressing it will come along shortly) is that in a general, over simplified sense, if you're faster and on the Corsair's six, you have three pursuit options:
Lead, Pure, and Lag Pursuit.
Lead will see you pulling for the shot in his break turn, possibly missing the shot, and quite possibly overshooting him;
Pure pursuit will cause your bullets to miss (in this example, since he's breaking and you therefore need to shoot ahead of him), and will also allow him to reverse you, causing an overshoot;
Lag pursuit will help you stay behind him, to set up a shot later. The two ideas listed above are examples of how to try and stay in lag pursuit.
I wouldn't go with an Immelman, as that would have you going in the opposite direction, and at the start of his break turn we do not know if he is going to extend it a full 180 degrees. If he doesn't, and you do, now he's bought some time to build up some energy, and you have to waste some to turn back towards him and eventually dive down to get him.
Edit - at some point you may want to dump some speed to pull for a shot... It is a balancing act of being able to put guns on your target, not overshoot, and still have the E to follow his next move. Practice, practice, practice :)
Hope this helps :salute
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The fading 6 shot sounds like him coming around on his flat turn as I climb away from the snap with diminished E, correct?
Otherwise, consider this 'nuff said:, flowmaster quaddies, and the sole cosmetic mod of an aluminum Radical cueball for the ZF - you know what I'm talking about C-4 boy, something we appear to share)...
The 6 shot I'm referring to is where the target reverses his turn as you miss your snap attempt and gets back online with your 6. Unless your E state difference is such that you can get out of range before he brings guns to bear, you risk losing tail feathers. Obviously if you disguise some of your E with a spiral , you may be able to bait them into a rope here. For that, look up a thread with the term "spiral rope" in the title.... I put a couple of short films in there along with a write up. These films show no spectacular moves but they show how to execute the spiral rope. Aww heck, here's the link if you are interested: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250723.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250723.0.html)
'96 LT4 CE coupe with the GS suspension package (and about 40k miles on it, an LPE cam, limited to 6400 rpm instead of 6k
post a pic of that badboy
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If they are pulling a tight, low speed turn to evade, they are surrendering to you and you should kill them every single time this happens.
Until the Tempest blows his E trying to turn with the Corsair, which then flaps him to death.
So many people look at the Corsair as a one-trick pony because of Der Uberflappen. As good as the Corsair is slow with flaps out she's even BETTER when she's fast. You MUST beware of the Corsair's high-speed handling because the Corsair doesn't even NEED its flaps against the Tempest. There is NO speed at which the Tempest will out-maneuver the Hog. Turn rate and radius and rate of roll the Corsair owns the Tempest at all airspeeds, so even in a high-speed fight if a Tempest tries to turn with an F4U that Tempest is dead. The only real advantage the Tempest has against the F4U is the one Anaxagoras mentioned: Its ability to motor its bellybutton out of Dodge when the F4U inevitably gets around behind it.
Incidentally, wasn't there been information posted on one of the other forums that the Tempest's acceleration is actually SIGNIFICANTLY over-modeled?
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Until the Tempest blows his E trying to turn with the Corsair, which then flaps him to death.
Uhhh I said nothing about turning with the corsair who uses a tight turn to avoid a gun pass so your tempest story has literally nothing to do with my advice. Additionally, neither PJ nor myself mentioned Tempest in the conversation we were having with each other. I have no earthly idea why you quoted me as your response has absoultely nothing to do with anything I posted.
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Saxman - It may or may not be the Tempest, or a systemic issue.. If you mean that not-scaled chart at wwiiaircraftperformance.org.
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No... everyone doesn't
I meant at one point or another since starting the game. You have NEVER flown any of these since your first day? Granted, there are alot of us who dont fly them at all anymore, but at one point or another we did when starting the game.
ITs like training wheels, they are airplanes that you grow out of.
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Alternately, if you have an incredible excess of speed, and he breaks hard to the left, you could go up, and make a large barrel roll towards the right. When you are coming towards the bottom of your roll, you would then pull towards him. This is assuming (for simplicity's sake) that he elected to just go for one 90 degree break turn.
This sounds like the Yo-yo...
Per Steve's request, how do you insert a file on this site?
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=help;page=post#bbcref
There is a list of code there on how to accomplish just about anything
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Well, this confirms it. I'm not enabled to attach and the requested pic is living on my local drive - thus the insert image is of little use sinse any URL I'm likely to post the pic too would not be public-facing.
Does the admin grant attachment enabling, typically? How do I request this?
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Without question, the F4U-4 is the best all around fighter in the game. However, I find the Brewster B-239 to the most entertaining ride (download the Beta to fly it). Killed several F4Us with it rather easily. While the F4U is a great turner with the flaps out, the Brewster rivals the A6M2; meaning that a slow, flaps out F4U is a very dead F4U.
My regards,
Widewing
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Well, this confirms it. I'm not enabled to attach and the requested pic is living on my local drive - thus the insert image is of little use sinse any URL I'm likely to post the pic too would not be public-facing.
Does the admin grant attachment enabling, typically? How do I request this?
You simply have to upload your pic to any hosting service, for example http://imageshack.us/
You will get an url (like this http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2016/sheepracing.jpg )that you embed in your posting here with the proper tag, resulting in:
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okay.
Here you go, Steve...
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Without question, the F4U-4 is the best all around fighter in the game.
yup! As far as a hog avoiding snaps, one does not always have to drain all the E to avoid it, it's a lil math problem judging his E state, and calculating just enuff E dumpage to avoid critical damage.....in other words, it might be to your advantage to let him ping you(don't allow him to get solution...just a ping), that way, you have dumped the least amount of E, and he has dumped the most.....this can be done at damn near any speed..where he has the adv....baiting the commitment is an art.....the key is the hog's rudder..it really makes you move! :aok
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You know how I consider myself, when I'm in a 1A above a fight: A Jugger naught, pretty much unstoppable with the E and alt.
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You know how I consider myself, when I'm in a 1A above a fight: A Jugger naught, pretty much unstoppable with the E and alt.
sounds like me compressing a p38 :rofl
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We're not talking about unstoppable in the lawn-dart sense. :D
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We're not talking about unstoppable in the lawn-dart sense. :D
:rofl :rofl
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Whatever TonyJoey is flying.
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....baiting the commitment is an art....
SOOOOOOOOO........
what you're saying is that the guy that's a master baiter is the better pile-it?
:noid :rofl :noid
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If you want to learn accuracy and making your shots count with limited ammo, fly a Yak- either the 9T or 9U. Best I've found for that purpose, IMO.
For Sure! Yak's own and help so much with aim!
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Whatever TonyJoey is flying.
Spit 9 :lol
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The Mighty Jug (and I mean the P-47N).
It owns ALL other planes except the 262 and 163 but those planes are a death trap if you haven't had enough practice with them.
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The Mighty Jug (and I mean the P-47N).
It owns ALL other planes except the 262 and 163 but those planes are a death trap if you haven't had enough practice with them.
Only in a VERY narrow altitude band. Up to about 20,000-25,000ft the F4U-4 is on parity if not superior.
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SOOOOOOOOO........
what you're saying is that the guy that's a master baiter is the better pile-it?
:noid :rofl :noid
Yup....that's what I am saying.....became a master at age 15 and have never looked back. :devil
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Sax, if you fight a P-47N the way it wants you to then you might as well give up right then and there. If you manage to get a new pilot then OK, but that holds true with most planes as well.
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Sax, if you fight a P-47N the way it wants you to then you might as well give up right then and there. If you manage to get a new pilot then OK, but that holds true with most planes as well.
Don't be delusional. At 30k, the F4U-4 is as capable as the P-47N and below 25k, it completely owns it.
Think about this: 453 mph at 27k... And, it'll fly circles around the P-47N should it attempt to maneuver with it. The P-47N may be the best fighter above 32k, but the margin over many other fighters is small.
At lower altitudes, the P-47N is out-performed and vulnerable to many types.
In comparison, the F4U-4 is the equal of the La-7 on the deck. It'll out-turn a Spit16, chase down a Dora, and completely dominate the Tempest. As an overall fighter, the P-47N isn't in the F4U-4's league. Seriously, nothing else really is either.
My regards,
Widewing
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Widewing, just an off topic question if you could answer briefly: Would the F8F, F7F or P-51H have contended well enough with the F4U4 in a 1:1 dogfight? If any of them couldn't compete in a committed fight, could any of them have outperformed the F4U-4 enough to inevitably get into a dominant position the way a 109K-4 would a P-51D?
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yeah i think F4u4 is probably the best all around plane buy itself but still i all depends on the pilot
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sup spektor...didnt we have some fights recently? I agree about the pilot, but if pilots are equal, I'd take the hog-4 over any prop plane in the set. :aok
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Its plane you feel works best for you <S>
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typhoon is the best plane!!!!!
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typhoon is the best plane!!!!!
Naaa Typhoon is for girls..... DOH! :P
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P47D25 - (Newest Fav)
P38J/L - Old
Spixteen - for killing high horde on the deck.
La-7 - Killing NOE Goonie Birds vs 30 man missions
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Widewing, just an off topic question if you could answer briefly: Would the F8F, F7F or P-51H have contended well enough with the F4U4 in a 1:1 dogfight? If any of them couldn't compete in a committed fight, could any of them have outperformed the F4U-4 enough to inevitably get into a dominant position the way a 109K-4 would a P-51D?
In actual air to air flyoffs, the F8F-1 swallowed the F4U-4 whole. Likewise, the F7F out-performed the F4U-4, especially in the vertical. The Navy's Chief Test pilot stated in 1949 that the F7F was the best fighter he had ever flown and he had flown them all. When we look at the P-51H, we see that it out-climbs the F4U-4 by 20%. It's faster at most if not all altitudes and can truly pick and choose how it fights.
The F4U-4 was a not a true air superiority fighter like the F8F, it was a fighter-bomber. Think about this... An absolutely stock F8F-1 set a world time to climb record. From a standing start, it reached 10,000 feet in 94 seconds. Granted, light fuel and no ammo. Still, an astounding feat. That record stood for more than 10 years.
My regards,
Widewing
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Mosquito best all around plane.
While I love my Mossie, the F4U-4 pwns it all over the sky.. :rock
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sup spektor...didnt we have some fights recently? I agree about the pilot, but if pilots are equal, I'd take the hog-4 over any prop plane in the set. :aok
Sup skyrock i belive we had a couple of 1v1s in a 109F4? awhile back
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In actual air to air flyoffs, the F8F-1 swallowed the F4U-4 whole. Likewise, the F7F out-performed the F4U-4, especially in the vertical. The Navy's Chief Test pilot stated in 1949 that the F7F was the best fighter he had ever flown and he had flown them all. When we look at the P-51H, we see that it out-climbs the F4U-4 by 20%. It's faster at most if not all altitudes and can truly pick and choose how it fights.
The F4U-4 was a not a true air superiority fighter like the F8F, it was a fighter-bomber. Think about this... An absolutely stock F8F-1 set a world time to climb record. From a standing start, it reached 10,000 feet in 94 seconds. Granted, light fuel and no ammo. Still, an astounding feat. That record stood for more than 10 years.
My regards,
Widewing
I still wonder what the F2G could have done had the Navy had the time to work out its teething issues like civilians had with the racers.
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Don't be delusional. At 30k, the F4U-4 is as capable as the P-47N and below 25k, it completely owns it.
Think about this: 453 mph at 27k... And, it'll fly circles around the P-47N should it attempt to maneuver with it. The P-47N may be the best fighter above 32k, but the margin over many other fighters is small.
At lower altitudes, the P-47N is out-performed and vulnerable to many types.
Widewing, while you may be correct about the 'as capable as the P-47N' comment, you and I differ in opinion about your 'and below 25k' comment. If you are the at the same skill level as your opponet, you can still be beaten by your opponet. You may make a slip, or he may figure out your fighting style faster than you do him. He may force an overshoot and kill you there. I keep my style loose, and casual untill I have my opponet figured out.
And the plane may help, but it is mostly the pilot.
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but it is mostly the pilot.
Dude, who is talking about pilots? Planes and their capabliities are what is being discussed. How in the heck...... never mind.
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Widewing, while you may be correct about the 'as capable as the P-47N' comment, you and I differ in opinion about your 'and below 25k' comment. If you are the at the same skill level as your opponet, you can still be beaten by your opponet. You may make a slip, or he may figure out your fighting style faster than you do him. He may force an overshoot and kill you there. I keep my style loose, and casual untill I have my opponet figured out.
And the plane may help, but it is mostly the pilot.
There's no "maybe" involved. I speak truth. The P-47N was engineered to escort high flying bombers. At that task, it excels. However, below its critical altitude, performance gradually degrades. It's big. It's heavy. At medium altitudes, it is no better than average. Down low, it's sub-par in the MAs. Engaging an F4U-4 Co-E, Co-Alt would be nearly suicidal.
Remember, we're talking planes here not pilots. If you want to add pilots to the equation, it still won't help you in regard to me.
Your comment: "I keep my style loose, and casual untill I have my opponet figured out." tells me that you tend to avoid a fight where there is no major advantage. Not a bad thing per se, but a common approach to flying P-47s in the MAs.
My regards,
Widewing
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I would love to have a clue regarding the F7F. From all I can find it was truly the 1st multi role "strike fighter" capable of performing ground attack, fighter escort and air superiority profiles equally well. Given that it was actually in service at the operational squadron level in 5/44 I hope it finds its way into the plane set at some point. i'm always amazed the best prop plane ever built never saw action entirely due to the manufacturer bowing to politics. They had the F6F, F8F already in the bag and Corky already assigned to the F9F and didn't want to rock the boat. So 3,300+ P-61's get built and flown vs 34 F7F-1's....ARGHHH
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There's no "maybe" involved. I speak truth. The P-47N was engineered to escort high flying bombers. At that task, it excels. However, below its critical altitude, performance gradually degrades. It's big. It's heavy. At medium altitudes, it is no better than average. Down low, it's sub-par in the MAs. Engaging an F4U-4 Co-E, Co-Alt would be nearly suicidal.
Remember, we're talking planes here not pilots. If you want to add pilots to the equation, it still won't help you in regard to me.
Your comment: "I keep my style loose, and casual untill I have my opponet figured out." tells me that you tend to avoid a fight where there is no major advantage. Not a bad thing per se, but a common approach to flying P-47s in the MAs.
My regards,
Widewing
We still differ in opinion, but at least you were curtious and so I shall let you have the last word.
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For the MA style of fights I think the "BIG" wings will always be best! ie: corsairs, 38s etc. :aok :aok It is the little secret of these rides :aok