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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: shifty95 on July 30, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
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i saw a show about the p47, and it showed a model that was modifyed to launch off a carrier deck. i was wondering if there could be a version of the p47 that could do this.
also, i saw on dogfights, a jappanese rocket plane called the ohka. in the real world, it was basically a piloted bomb, used strictly for kamakazie attacks. i was wondering if we could fit it with a 30 mil, or something along those lines.
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Neither of those were used in large (squadron level) numbers, the ohka never had a gun, but was used.
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If you're a bit crafty, you can land, re-arm, and re-up a jug off cv....can only lift off with rockets and 1 500 tho
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You can get a P-47N with 100% fuel, two 1,000lb bombs, rockets, and a 500lb bomb on the center pylon off the deck.
:devil
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ok, well, that spoils my plans :(
another plane i was thinking about is the ki-43 oscar. this was a formitable foe for our flyboys in WW2. it has 1 12.7 mm mg, 1 7.7 mm mg, and can carry two 250 kilo bombs. i know what your thinking, this is an old, slow, underarmed plane, but it was the second-most used fighter plane by the IJN, next to the A6M zero.
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The only modification made to the P-47 was the ability to attach catapult cables. It was a one-time thing. P-47s were ferried aboard carriers and launched upon reaching their destination instead of being unloaded by a crane in a port.
There were no provisions or plans for the Jugs to ever return tom the carrier they launched from.
wrongway
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also, i saw on dogfights, a jappanese rocket plane called the ohka. in the real world, it was basically a piloted bomb, used strictly for kamakazie attacks. i was wondering if we could fit it with a 30 mil, or something along those lines.
No. Actually, not just no, but HELL NO.
The Ki-43 is BADLY needed for scenarios, however. So I'll give you a +1 on that. But it was an IJAAF bird, NOT IJN.
Just how much longer before summer's over? :rolleyes:
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The only modification made to the P-47 was the ability to attach catapult cables. It was a one-time thing. P-47s were ferried aboard carriers and launched upon reaching their destination instead of being unloaded by a crane in a port.
There were no provisions or plans for the Jugs to ever return tom the carrier they launched from.
wrongway
That has me wondering, were the P-47's flown by USAF or USAAF pilots? I bet they didn't have much carrier experience.
Or maybe it was just plain easy to take off from a carrier in those days...
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Or, a man's life was cheaper / less concerned with safety margins . . . . and you did what needed to be done.
Do you really think we would build Hoover Dam under the current OSHA regs? . . . . .
Regards,
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No. Actually, not just no, but HELL NO.
The Ki-43 is BADLY needed for scenarios, however. So I'll give you a +1 on that. But it was an IJAAF bird, NOT IJN.
Just how much longer before summer's over? :rolleyes:
oh, well, i get IJN and IJAAF mixed up sometimes. another thing we need for scenarios is the ki-45, it has a 20 mm cannon, and a 37 mm cannon
placed below the fuselage, not the nose. they left the nose empty because they wanted to fit it with radar, making it a very effective night fighter. it is also the only jappanese plane that has armor in the cockpit, and also has self-sealing feul tanks. it also has a rear-firing 7.92 mm machine gun. we need this so we wont have to substitute the bf-110 for it (like were doing in the fso tonight)
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You can get a P-47N with 100% fuel, two 1,000lb bombs, rockets, and a 500lb bomb on the center pylon off the deck.
:devil
Hmmmm...OOOKKKKk......but does it stay in air more than 10 seconds? ;)
(Played with it offline, ya can get up with 75% if you jump through some hoops)
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That has me wondering, were the P-47's flown by USAF or USAAF pilots?
US Army Air Force. ;) Wasn't until the Korean war that the Air Force was it's own branch of the military.
Onto the original post, NO WAY!
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i saw a show about the p47, and it showed a model that was modifyed to launch off a carrier deck. i was wondering if there could be a version of the p47 that could do this.
No. 5 minutes of research would have told you why this will never happen.
P-47s are not carrier capable planes and the times they were used off a CV were ferry mission with no intent of having the Jugs return to the CV and land.
ack-ack
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No. 5 minutes of research would have told you why this will never happen.
P-47s are not carrier capable planes and the times they were used off a CV were ferry mission with no intent of having the Jugs return to the CV and land.
ack-ack
Only time I can ever see it happening is in an FSO, snapshot or scenario representing the handful of times land-based aircraft were loaded for a strike before proceeding to a land base for further operations (Operation Torch comes to mind).
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Hmmmm...OOOKKKKk......but does it stay in air more than 10 seconds? ;)
(Played with it offline, ya can get up with 75% if you jump through some hoops)
I dragged the tail for a good 75 feet......got it up intact no damage tho!
:D
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CV capable P-47s NO
KI-43 Oscar YES
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Found these pics:
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3830/launchsm.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/launchsm.jpg/)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2568/p4714.jpg) (http://img216.imageshack.us/i/p4714.jpg/)
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Found these pics:
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3830/launchsm.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/launchsm.jpg/)
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2568/p4714.jpg) (http://img216.imageshack.us/i/p4714.jpg/)
Awesome pics :aok
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Looks like they can make it off a CV with a DT on. :aok
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We also need the carrier B-25
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:aok
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i saw a show about the p47, and it showed a model that was modifyed to launch off a carrier deck. i was wondering if there could be a version of the p47 that could do this.
also, i saw on dogfights, a jappanese rocket plane called the ohka. in the real world, it was basically a piloted bomb, used strictly for kamakazie attacks. i was wondering if we could fit it with a 30 mil, or something along those lines.
Great idea on the P-47's, Bad bad bad bad idea on the Ohka. Then there would be a hundred newbs flyin them into cv's and hangars and everything else.
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Great idea on the P-47's, Bad bad bad bad idea on the Ohka. Then there would be a hundred newbs flyin them into cv's and hangars and everything else.
Good idea on the P-47 though.
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Historically, the P47 off the cv deck was, as ack-ack said, a way to ferry a bunch of P47s to an island out in the pacific and have them ready to fly in combat right away. Other planes were shipped overseas too but then had to undergo a fairly labor-intensive process of assembly and cleaning (to remove the anti-corrosives that kept the salt spray from damaging parts) before they could be used. Shuttling P47s on the deck of a carrier meant they could be landed on the newly captured island (I think it was Saipan but may be mistaken), armed, fueled and ready to fight in a much shorter time. Having CV based P47s would be less historically accurate than CV based B25s, which I think is a stretch too since it was only done once. The kamikaze rocket is an interesting idea...maybe there should be an option to use any Japanese plane as a kamikaze plane, with more damage being done than just the normal bomb damage. Maybe select the option to make it a kamikaze mission in the hangar, double the normal amount of damage, and make it so normal landing isn't allowed (you just auger as soon as you touch the ground or water even if slow and gear down).
For those of us that prefer historically significant plane and vehicle types, the numbers would point to the kamikaze as a realistic option if it's technically possible to add this type of mission: around 3,900 kamikaze pilots lost by the Japanese forces, and depending on who's counting anywhere from 50 to 70 US ships sunk or damaged beyond repair. I think that's at least as important to the way WW2 played out as the ME-163 and 262s were.
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The 325th FG's P-40s was ferried to N Africa aboard the USS Ranger. Flying off to operate from their assigned land bases.
(http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn1/images/P-40s_aboard_USS_Ranger.jpg)
Just because USAAF aircraft were ferried to the front is not a reason to allow them to operate from CVs in the sim. These operations were one shot deals ran out of necessity only.
Because Army aircraft were aboard taking up valuable deck space the CV's were basically useless until they could get rid of their passengers.
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But I saw this plane, it would be so cool for AH! Why do you all say no? :(
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5103/006hz7.jpg)
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For those of us that prefer historically significant plane and vehicle types, the numbers would point to the kamikaze as a realistic option if it's technically possible to add this type of mission: around 3,900 kamikaze pilots lost by the Japanese forces, and depending on who's counting anywhere from 50 to 70 US ships sunk or damaged beyond repair. I think that's at least as important to the way WW2 played out as the ME-163 and 262s were.
We already have Kamikazes in the form of dive bombing Lancasters. If you want historically correct Kamikazes then the only aircraft in the sim allowed to do it should be the A6M,D3A, and B5N.
Then once the pilot has successfully completed his Kamikaze attack he should not be allowed to fly those aircraft again for 24 hours or have them heavily perked. People wanting kamikazes isn't so much for realisim it's mainly another form of of instant success requiring little or no skill. YMMV.
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We already have Kamikazes in the form of dive bombing Lancasters. If you want historically correct Kamikazes then the only aircraft in the sim allowed to do it should be the A6M,D3A, and B5N.
Then once the pilot has successfully completed his Kamikaze attack he should not be allowed to fly those aircraft again for 24 hours or have them heavily perked. People wanting kamikazes isn't so much for realisim it's mainly another form of of instant success requiring little or no skill. YMMV.
Every plane in this game has been used for kamikaze attacks.
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I realize this Gavagai. We don't have the true kamikaze attack option because of the limitations placed on bomb detonation in the sim.
Personally I hope we never do. However I appreciate you pointing out the obvious. :aok
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But I saw this plane, it would be so cool for AH! Why do you all say no? :(
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5103/006hz7.jpg)
haha, talk about ultimate cv killer :rofl
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We also need the carrier B-25
What carrier B-25? If you are talking about the Doolittle raiders, then I must ask you this, "Do you really want a B-25 with less armor, no real defensive weaponry, and a light bombload to be able to up from a carrier? If so, then why don't you just fly a TBM?"
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How about enabling b25s on the carriers just so people can auger them hundreds of times trying. :aok
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just more free jug kills for my 109 :D