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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nemisis on July 31, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
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OK, you all probably know what I'm talking about. A newb desides that his first post shall be about a B-29 and what happens...? BOOM, every body who isn't newb and doesn't want the B-29 starts shouting "USE YOUR SEARCH", and "Why kill the kittens" and posts a picture of a kitten resting his chin on a gun, or "What do you have against kittens", and all that crap instead of actually helping them by telling them where the search is, how to use it, and giving them some tips about the search. They almost never give constructive criticizem either; only flaming.
And all I have to say is...Why?
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Most of those posts get flamed not because they ask for the B-29, but because they are not written in recognizable English. :P
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You should see what we do to squeakers in-game.
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I try to give em a link at least.
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I like noobs & squeakers. Used to be one or the other myself.
And I've got a whole bunch of sqeakers in my house. :D Don't be too hard on them :)
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Oh i have. I pray for those poor souls. I just think we should go easy on newbs for about a month. That is a reasonable amount of time for them to learn the culture of our great and Utopian society.
And good for you Spikes.
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hehehe
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^^ :rofl :rofl :lol Uptown that is awsome .
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^^^ :rofl
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Answer to the Original Post...
Because newbs tend to post lame crap that has already been posted by other newbs...
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I heard that some newbs act as spy's for the other team. I don't like that noobs are always asking to join me its annoying!!!
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I consider it payback for when I was a dumb noob
Alt f4 FTW!!!!!
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People here are intolerant of anything.
Intolerant of n0bs,
Intolerant of facts
Intolerant of spits
Intolerant of furballers, warwinners, toolshedders, pickers, alt dweebs
Intolerant of other palyer shooting them down
Intolerant of small maps, large maps, new maps,oldmaps
Intolerant of old graphics
Intolerant of new graphics
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Intolerant of invertebrates.
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Intolerant of n0bs, standardIntolerant of facts
Intolerant of spits well, duh, Spits are a tool of SatanIntolerant of furballers, warwinners, toolshedders, pickers, alt dweebs
Intolerant of other palyer shooting them down Satan's tools are impossible to shoot down, unless you cheat!
Intolerant of small maps, large maps, new maps,oldmaps All maps are evil
Intolerant of old graphics If your graphics suck, you must suck
Intolerant of new graphics If your graphics rock, you must suck!
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Intolerant of invertebrates.
true :(
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OK, you all probably know what I'm talking about. A newb desides that his first post shall be about a B-29 and what happens...? BOOM, every body who isn't newb and doesn't want the B-29 starts shouting "USE YOUR SEARCH", and "Why kill the kittens" and posts a picture of a kitten resting his chin on a gun, or "What do you have against kittens", and all that crap instead of actually helping them by telling them where the search is, how to use it, and giving them some tips about the search. They almost never give constructive criticizem either; only flaming.
And all I have to say is...Why?
a large majority have forgotten what it was like when they were new.
just my humble opinion.
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I heard that some newbs act as spy's for the other team. I don't like that noobs are always asking to join me its annoying!!!
nah lego.....it's usually vets that are guilty of the spying thing.
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a large majority have forgotten what it was like when they were new.
just my humble opinion.
I agree, but on the flip side, many newbs forget to think before they post... So the two, at least, cancel each other out...
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I agree, but on the flip side, many newbs forget to think before they post... So the two, at least, cancel each other out...
i don't think it's a lack of thinking......but rather an anxiety to learn.....or they think they have a question that no one has asked.
kinda like when you see that incredibly hot chick siting all alone at the bar. you muster up your courage, and your best ice breaker...the one that no one has ever thought about. unfortunatly for you, she's heard it a thousand times before. :D
i'm just saying what i'm saying, 'cause no one gave me any poop when i was a noob.......i would ask a question, and got help. it still works that way.
in the help n training forum, akak, and delirium both offered help to aceman in the p38............ooo..so did i, although i'm nowhere near as good as them in it...........<<S>>
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kinda like when you see that incredibly hot chick siting all alone at the bar. you muster up your courage, and your best ice breaker...the one that no one has ever thought about.
LoL! :D
I can't remember that far in the past...
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Don't forget intolerant of tolerance......
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anyone different than you, kill them.
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I heard that some newbs act as spy's for the other team. I don't like that noobs are always asking to join me its annoying!!!
Spy!
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Sometimes because they are
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:nUoBJWOQOj3EwM:http://www.bambinoland.com/admin/uploads/gallery/mouse.jpg) or (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:-65NBC8YUnHKwM:http://www.diggles.com/nec/0107R-07_Live_teenager.jpg) and say Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie and sometimes just because you just don't know who they are yet.
If you want to be liked and have all your questions answered for you right away,...... Come in using a girls name. There are plenty of suckers here that will fall for that real quick like. :rofl
LindaP47 would get a lot of attention here
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Squeltch is wonderful :aok can we have one for wive's please?
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Because people expect the 13 trainers to do it all?
I wonder how much better the overall game play would be if the new guys asking simple questions that we all know the answers to were told those answers in the MA, and not just told by six or seven people at once to go to the TA? Granted I'm not in the TA much, but when I am, it seems like half the trainers' time is spent giving basic answers that aren't any big secret to the general population.
Don't get me wrong--it's never a bad idea to suggest meeting up with a trainer. I'm just saying that every basic "how do I take off?" question answered in the MA is one less the trainers have to deal with. I'd think that would free up some time for more interesting lessons.
Judging from 200 banter, it's not like some of you don't have the time or typing skills :D
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Judging from 200 banter, it's not like some of you don't have the time or typing skills :D
Is there another channel 200 that I havent seen yet?
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Is there another channel 200 that I havent seen yet?
What can I say? I'm in a generous mood :D
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I think the real question is why people lose patience with newbies; when they do.
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People here are intolerant of anything.
Intolerant of n0bs,
Intolerant of facts
Intolerant of spits
Intolerant of furballers, warwinners, toolshedders, pickers, alt dweebs
Intolerant of other palyer shooting them down
Intolerant of small maps, large maps, new maps,oldmaps
Intolerant of old graphics
Intolerant of new graphics
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Quoted for truth.
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That doesn't elucidate. Which is the first step towards doing something about it. Assuming you disapprove of it.
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That doesn't elucidate. Which is the first step towards doing something about it. Assuming you disapprove of it.
I'm not concerned in the least. You put hundreds of people together and they are bound to argue, it's simple human nature. You will never get everyone to agree with you, even on the matter that we all can't agree. To think there is some solve all answer is ridiculous, rather the only thing you can do is moderate it, and deal with it as it happens. That is exactly what we have now, and honestly I don't think there is much of a better answer. None of this meaning to be spiteful or mean, it's just what I see as the bare truth in the matter.
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When you're new in a community, lay low a bit, get an idea of what's going on...MAYBE even read thew @%%@#@#%% manual. Instead, so many (typically, kids) download the game, jump RIGHT into the MA, and start asking 1 question after another, never even slowing down to see the responses before asking the next. Within a week, they come in here (presumably after exhausting AH's vast plane set) and start demanding obscure planes they saw on Wings (which with they might THEN get kills )
wut r u guys doin! no b29 it rules! big bomb i will killeverbody this game sucks i cant get kills Y cant i fly w mouse how come i cant get rocket plane y does my ammo always run out y does no 1 listen to me DAMNIT listen to me u people suck
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a large majority have forgotten what it was like when they were new.
just my humble opinion.
Actually, I remember exactly what it was like. Hence, my low tolerance for noobs. :devil
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And all I have to say is...Why?
Not all noobs are intolerable and not all folks are harsh on noobs. There are a few higher profile individuals who enjoy confrontation.
This is a case of the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Or is it an empty barrel makes the loudest noise?
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Actually, I remember exactly what it was like. Hence, my low tolerance for noobs. :devil
i still try to help em when i can. not that i'm all that great, but i try. especially if they haven't been taught to ho yet.
i figure it's my best chance for good fights in the future. teach em what little i know, then hopefully they get with a trainer in the ta, and learn to REALLY handle their aircraft.
unlike me, flopping around like a fish outta water....and last night i did that several times right into the water. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Not all noobs are intolerable and not all folks are harsh on noobs. There are a few higher profile individuals who enjoy confrontation.
This is a case of the squeaky wheels getting the grease. Or is it an empty barrel makes the loudest noise?
From my experience, most of the guys being awful to (the freshest) newbies are relative no-namer's themselves. Most of the high profile guys seem to enjoy saving their confrontations for other high profile guys.
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I'm not concerned in the least. You put hundreds of people together and they are bound to argue, it's simple human nature. You will never get everyone to agree with you, even on the matter that we all can't agree. To think there is some solve all answer is ridiculous, rather the only thing you can do is moderate it, and deal with it as it happens. That is exactly what we have now, and honestly I don't think there is much of a better answer. None of this meaning to be spiteful or mean, it's just what I see as the bare truth in the matter.
That's uncomprehensive.
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That doesn't elucidate. Which is the first step towards doing something about it. Assuming you disapprove of it.
How do you prevent a problem where you can't, by definition, reach out toward the other side in advance of the problem occurring?
Edit - "prevent" is a better word for it than "fix."
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From my experience, most of the guys being awful to (the freshest) newbies are relative no-namer's themselves. Most of the high profile guys seem to enjoy saving their confrontations for other high profile guys.
i like to get storchie wound up. it's more fun than a barrel of monkeys. :x
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OK, you all probably know what I'm talking about. A newb desides that his first post shall be about a B-29 and what happens...? BOOM, every body who isn't newb and doesn't want the B-29 starts shouting "USE YOUR SEARCH", and "Why kill the kittens" and posts a picture of a kitten resting his chin on a gun, or "What do you have against kittens", and all that crap instead of actually helping them by telling them where the search is, how to use it, and giving them some tips about the search. They almost never give constructive criticizem either; only flaming.
And all I have to say is...Why?
Because in our society most have become complacent in that it is easier for somebody else to do it for me. So enjoy being the FNG. :rock
:salute 11
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That's uncomprehensive.
*shrug* Not sure what your expecting.
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Nevermind.
How do you prevent a problem where you can't, by definition, reach out toward the other side in advance of the problem occurring?
Edit - "prevent" is a better word for it than "fix."
I'd get into a concise but lengthy description of my pov on the thing, based on experience from living in a dozen different cultures, but it's just not worth it when people don't care in the first place. Which is evidently enough, IMO, the reason for the "intolerance" at hand. Also not worth getting into when I'm in the minority of people who understand what's going on and care about it, as well as incidentally having a really exotic opinion that's bound to trigger a long argument that I don't want to get into because of the risks of appearing "confrontational" to just 1 person who'll report me for it, yadda yadda.
IMO it's not hard to figure this problem out, but if no one cares in the first place, why bother.
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Well, I think people should care... I can guarantee them, no matter how annoying a newbie asking "HOW DO I TAKE OFF" might be, it is infinitely preferable to seeing:
"System: The servers will turn off in 2 minutes. Thanks for the Memories."
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I love this game, and most of the people are nice. But, there are some of the rudest people that play this game that i have ever seen. I really cant figure it out, i give up asking ANY questions in game play. For example, landed 2 kills in Wirble and they were not proxies (gimme kills), did not get any points for them. Asked on country chat why and someone said (wont say name) something along the lines of, "because you wont quit changing sides and screwing us." Not really sure what hes talking about, always been a rook. But i private messaged him asking what he was talkin about, and got very rude replys back. Don't get me wrong or flame me, most people are nice, just saying..... Gets quite frustrating sometimes. Its not just the noobs, just some people on here are as rude as they come. Guess what im sayin' is you'll run across people like this, get over it and get on with flyin!
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Ejay no one should flame you... your right. In the real world there are all kinds of folks. In game you just see them from inside your home. It takes all kinds good and bad. Just take the bad ones with a grain of salt.
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MAYBE even read thew @%%@#@#%% manual. Instead, so many (typically, kids) download the game, jump RIGHT into the MA, and start asking 1 question after another, never even slowing down to see the responses before asking the next. Within a week, they come in here (presumably after exhausting AH's vast plane set) and start demanding obscure planes they saw on Wings (which with they might THEN get kills )
wut r u guys doin! no b29 it rules! big bomb i will killeverbody this game sucks i cant get kills Y cant i fly w mouse how come i cant get rocket plane y does my ammo always run out y does no 1 listen to me DAMNIT listen to me u people suck
That is the biggest problem with beginners. I will admit, I did the exact same thing, but I read the manual, and asked my questions one at a time in the Training Arena. Except for the B-29 thing. That I never did.
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I think a lot of the friction with new players is that a great deal of them refuse to read the manual prior to logging into the game and demand that someone teach them how to play. The majority of the questions new players ask can be answered by reading the manual. I have limited flying time and I will not help a new player that expects me to take time away from my play time and teach him how to select a plane in the hanger.
When I first started in AW, before I even entered the game I had already spent two weeks reading over the manual and reading anything I could on BFM/ACM, so when I did ask for help I wouldn't be asking stupid questions that I could find the answer to in the manual.
ack-ack
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"Reading the manual" LOL - when i started there was no manual. <sigh>
What we're dealing with in many case is something older folks with kids may relate to: no doubt when YOU were acting up your parents said "Just you wait till you have kids!" LOL - Kids are parents revenge.
Likewise I think many of the "noob bashers" are those with very long memories who remember how badly they were treated when "they" were noobs and are just "getin sum back" . <shrug> human nature dies hard.
Fortunately there are some with a memory also about how overwelming some of this can all seem and answer patiently as to "why" we can't have "lazer sights" or "unlimited ammo" with "power spells you can win and store".
If you want to grow the game as to quality then you have to educate those who are new. Or THEY will set the new standards.
Can't have it both ways!...just MHO.
.........cheers eh!
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There are 3 things I hate:
1. people who are intolerent of other people's cultures
2. people who don't give newbs a chance
3. the Dutch
:furious :noid
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I think a lot of the friction with new players is that a great deal of them refuse to read the manual prior to logging into the game and demand that someone teach them how to play. The majority of the questions new players ask can be answered by reading the manual. I have limited flying time and I will not help a new player that expects me to take time away from my play time and teach him how to select a plane in the hanger.
When I first started in AW, before I even entered the game I had already spent two weeks reading over the manual and reading anything I could on BFM/ACM, so when I did ask for help I wouldn't be asking stupid questions that I could find the answer to in the manual.
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Agreed 100 percent. I spent over a month in the offline arena as well as read about all there is to read on the AH web site before going to MAs. The rest i learned from these boards and my squaddies. As i read in a previous post, i think its anxiety. This game is so over-whelming and fun that when you first start out you want to know it all and want to be the good at the game-lets face it-nothin more fun than watching someone explode as your bullets rip them apart. I help whenever i can, (though im sure i have more flying time than some others ex. not married :D) the more players we have in the game, the longer it'll be around is the way i see it. If this game were to cease, i'd need some SERIOUS rehab. AH anomonous (i know i spelled that wrong) anyone?? :salute :rock :salute
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I remember my first day on AH2, LOL!!! First thing I noticed was the voices on
the radio... Lots of "Hard Talk" from voices that were so high pitched that they
couldn't possibly have dropped their cods yet.. Or if they had, only just!!! LOL!!!
Almost quit right then and there!!! But there were a couple that sounded a little
more adult.. So I stayed for awhile...
I have a long history of WWII hobby stuff, Wargames etc... Already knew the
vehicles, and aircraft, weapons blah blah... Ailerons from elevators, rudder from
flaps, and how they all worked together... Mostly for me, it was memorization of
what keys, for what controls.. And game mechanics, what targets to kill, for the
desired effect...
First guy to give me pointers was LivrLips, we were in Osties at V46 on the
Baltic map.. I got clean kills on a 110, and a Hurri2d, and he told me how to
keep my head up out of the turret for better vis... I remember those things!!!
That was 3yrs+ ago....
:salute LivrLips, if your out there!!!
I try to pay it forward when I can.... And being a granddad, I have a soft
spot for the kiddies...
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I have a long history of WWII hobby stuff, Wargames etc... Already knew the
vehicles, and aircraft, weapons blah blah... Ailerons from elevators, rudder from
flaps, and how they all worked together... Mostly for me, it was memorization of
what keys, for what controls.. And game mechanics, what targets to kill, for the
desired effect...
Same here. I jumped into the 8-player and got all mixed up trying to take off using keyboard rudders. That took forever to learn! I think I crashed 8-10 times before I gave up and used the P-38...
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"Reading the manual" LOL - when i started there was no manual. <sigh>
What we're dealing with in many case is something older folks with kids may relate to: no doubt when YOU were acting up your parents said "Just you wait till you have kids!" LOL - Kids are parents revenge.
Likewise I think many of the "noob bashers" are those with very long memories who remember how badly they were treated when "they" were noobs and are just "getin sum back" . <shrug> human nature dies hard.
Fortunately there are some with a memory also about how overwelming some of this can all seem and answer patiently as to "why" we can't have "lazer sights" or "unlimited ammo" with "power spells you can win and store".
If you want to grow the game as to quality then you have to educate those who are new. Or THEY will set the new standards.
Can't have it both ways!...just MHO.
.........cheers eh!
Not sure that's always true. Showing that you've made an effort before asking for help is a common convention. It's especially standard when you want to get a geek's help. If you come up to him and show that you haven't even tried to figure it the problem out on your own, it's understandable that he's not inclined to help out. Not when the answer might be right there for you to see if you bothered to look.
In a general sense, leeching someone's time and effort for something that you could've done yourself for free and been rewarded with an actual understanding instead of being spoonfed (i.e. entertaining your ignorance/dependency), and for no tangible benefit to that someone, is a lose-lose situation.
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Ejay your not a noob, you asked for help and are acually trying to get better. Compared to 1028102 that Hos and Rams.
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I have a question that is kina emberassing, what does "HO" mean. I'm kinda inocent even though I'm not really newb :angel:.
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LoL! :D
I can't remember that far in the past...
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Not sure that's always true. Showing that you've made an effort before asking for help is a common convention. It's especially standard when you want to get a geek's help. If you come up to him and show that you haven't even tried to figure it the problem out on your own, it's understandable that he's not inclined to help out. Not when the answer might be right there for you to see if you bothered to look.
In a general sense, leeching someone's time and effort for something that you could've done yourself for free and been rewarded with an actual understanding instead of being spoonfed (i.e. entertaining your ignorance/dependency), and for no tangible benefit to that someone, is a lose-lose situation.
What he said--you can often tell from the question that the guy has a clue, and has already expended some effort to that end, which is admirable and will usually be responded to in kind
<edit Yes, there WAS a manual in 1999-2000 or so, when I first tried this---I kept the list of key and dot commands so I could alt-tab and see them quickly>
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I have a question that is kina emberassing, what does "HO" mean. I'm kinda inocent even though I'm not really newb :angel:.
You will get more answers to this than you can stomach, but in the simplest sense, a "HO" is a situation where two aircraft each have a guns solution on the other simultaneously. It stands for "Head-On."
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You will get more answers to this than you can stomach, but in the simplest sense, a "HO" is a situation where two aircraft each have a guns solution on the other simultaneously. It stands for "Head-On."
For me the "TRUE" lame HO is from a vet cartoon pilot! Even if it's a high angle or front quarter deflection it is still a HO IMO. I hold this standard for vet pilots only!! For me NEWBS never HO it is the natural learning curve for ALL players of this product! Vets know better and should play so :aok
Vets are good enough to work a different shot! And they should :aok :aok
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Vets are good enough to work a different shot! And they should :aok :aok
vets are good enough to negate the majority of ones avoidance maneuvers.
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People here are intolerant of anything.
Intolerant of n0bs,
Intolerant of facts
Intolerant of spits
Intolerant of furballers, warwinners, toolshedders, pickers, alt dweebs
Intolerant of other palyer shooting them down
Intolerant of small maps, large maps, new maps,oldmaps
Intolerant of old graphics
Intolerant of new graphics
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:aok :aok
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For me the "TRUE" lame HO is from a vet cartoon pilot! Even if it's a high angle or front quarter deflection it is still a HO IMO. I hold this standard for vet pilots only!! For me NEWBS never HO it is the natural learning curve for ALL players of this product! Vets know better and should play so :aok
Vets are good enough to work a different shot! And they should :aok :aok
Its only a HO if they can shoot back.
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Some people can get annoying after multiple questions and it's obvious they haven't even tried to figure this out before blasting questions in the MA. Personally, I know I spent a while just flying offline or by myself to figure stuff out before I jumped into too much action. Printed out the "quick reference guide" and was set for most things. After a few weeks you'll catch on to how stuff works and how people act in the game.
On thing that did bug me was a couple months ago when I just started playing around with multiple engine controls. I wasn't finding stuff in the information I printed out (only to find it staring me in the face on that quick reference guide later, but that's besides the point). I put the question out there in the MA in a complete sentence with mostly correct grammar (English wasn't my favorite subject) only to be bombarded with "read the manual n00b!" "Go to the Training Arena first!" and my personal favorite "Alt + F4". Please stop using Alt F4, it's old, it's annoying, most of us have fallen for it once and we moved on, please do the same.
So it takes a little from both sides. But kids will keep on jumping on and asking before thinking, that'll annoy people and they'll yell at them, then they'll tell them to use Alt + F4, It happened back in Air Warrior, it'll continue here.
Everything changes, everything stays the same.
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vets are good enough to negate the majority of ones avoidance maneuvers.
So true!! and this is why they should work for a different shot :aok :aok
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So true!! and this is why they should work for a different shot :aok :aok
If I ever cross your guns, by all means squeeze the trigger... You might want freebies, but I don't.
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I was fortunate enough to have already learned what Alt+F4 did before someone told me to use it...
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I got my shots recently..... according to my medical records I can now tolerate them.
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Vets are good enough to work a different shot! And they should :aok :aok
Front quarter shots from an angle gained on a lead turn is working for a different 'shot'. This notion that you're only good if you kill someone from the dead six spot is silly and nothing more than someone's sour grapes.
ack-ack
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People here are intolerant of anything.
Intolerant of n0bs,
Intolerant of facts
Intolerant of spits
Intolerant of furballers, warwinners, toolshedders, pickers, alt dweebs
Intolerant of other palyer shooting them down
Intolerant of small maps, large maps, new maps,oldmaps
Intolerant of old graphics
Intolerant of new graphics
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I lol'ed
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Front quarter shots from an angle gained on a lead turn is working for a different 'shot'. This notion that you're only good if you kill someone from the dead six spot is silly and nothing more than someone's sour grapes.
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the front quarter shots i've gotten, are nowhere near ho's. i'm generally a min. of 30 degrees off of them. they're at such an angle, that if i were to hit the cockpit, the rounds would enter through the top, rather than the windscreen.
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...Showing that you've made an effort before asking for help is a common convention. It's especially standard when you want to get a geek's help. If you come up to him and show that you haven't even tried to figure it the problem out on your own, it's understandable that he's not inclined to help out. Not when the answer might be right there for you to see if you bothered to look.
In a general sense, leeching someone's time and effort for something that you could've done yourself for free and been rewarded with an actual understanding instead of being spoonfed (i.e. entertaining your ignorance/dependency), and for no tangible benefit to that someone, is a lose-lose situation.
Well, yes, in theory. In practice though how hard it is to type "F6" or "backspace b"? I mean we do want the noobs to stick around, no? Keep the game healthy, yes? And I doubt that somehow this is going to reinforce a pattern and three months later the same guy will be typing on country "sum1 tell me how to beat a rolling scissors quick!"
I was a noob 4 times between AW and now though so I'm more noob than not at this point, so maybe I see it differently. And there were always some cats to help me out when I started this game again so I feel obligated to help out a little, in turn.
ps. sum1 tell me how to beat a rolling scissors quick!
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It's not theory and it's not just F6. It's F6 and a dozen other questions multiplied by however many different players are asking them.. and usually stuff they could figure out on their own. And join requests out of the blue, etc. And they do it in the MA of all places. I mean, the TA's there, made especially for it. It's like walking onto a football game and tapping people on the shoulder in the middle of a play, asking how you secure your helmet or what some tactical lingo means.
I don't see how expecting those "noobs" to make a minimum of effort is contrary to keeping the game healthy.
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True enough. I'll answer one or two and tune out if the guy's discourteous. But if someone asks respectfully and I have the time I'll try to help out a little. But I see your point.
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OK, you all probably know what I'm talking about. A newb desides that his first post shall be about a B-29 and what happens...? BOOM, every body who isn't newb and doesn't want the B-29 starts shouting "USE YOUR SEARCH", and "Why kill the kittens" and posts a picture of a kitten resting his chin on a gun, or "What do you have against kittens", and all that crap instead of actually helping them by telling them where the search is, how to use it, and giving them some tips about the search. They almost never give constructive criticizem either; only flaming.
And all I have to say is...Why?
Welcome to the internet.
People do and say amazing stuff in the virtual anonymity of the online world. People who where not hugged enough by their mommies, or hugged maybee to much by their daddies will lash out at people at any given oppurtunity. And they do so without even realizing its their own inner demons and insecurities that allow them to do so.
Look for the one guy/gal in those threads/in game situations who actually take a moment to help them, or guide them in the direction of the help they are seeking. Make those people your friends, and your life will be enriched. :aok
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If I ever cross your guns, by all means squeeze the trigger... You might want freebies, but I don't.
Not sure I understand this reply Vudak ?
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Front quarter shots from an angle gained on a lead turn is working for a different 'shot'. This notion that you're only good if you kill someone from the dead six spot is silly and nothing more than someone's sour grapes.
ack-ack
IF it is the fight that most vets say they enjoy and want, then why shorten it by using the "throttle-off hard pull" lead front quarter shot? Kind of contradictory to me :huh Work it out and get the "GOOD KILL"
When dueling I'll dismiss this shot and try to work it out! In all honesty if I'm being GAZYnged, I "might" take this shot but I always think twice about it :aok
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I'd say it's because a lot of us were among the first batches of n00bs, so we were all n00bs at the same time so we don't know what it's like being a n00b because it was like the blind leading the blind and now we get to be elitist snob vets. Woohoo!
:x
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IF it is the fight that most vets say they enjoy and want, then why shorten it by using the "throttle-off hard pull" lead front quarter shot? Kind of contradictory to me :huh Work it out and get the "GOOD KILL"
When dueling I'll dismiss this shot and try to work it out! In all honesty if I'm being GAZYnged, I "might" take this shot but I always think twice about it :aok
I also think that "the fight has to last xxxx minutes otherwise it's not an honorable fight" is just as much BS as saying that only "kills from the dead 6 are honorable". If I am able to work an angle for a kill on the first turn I'm going to take it and enjoy the other guy whining about how 'cheap' the kill is just because he wasn't good enough to prevent me from getting the kill angle.
Yes, I like to have nice fights but only if it's because the other guy is good enough that he's making me work hard for the kill, like the fight I had the other night with Chanzz and his Yak. That fight lasted a good 6 minutes with us going from 15k to the deck in a swirling and spiraling turn fight. Great fight where I eventually was able to work the angle for the kill. However, if he presented me with such an angle within the first moments of our engagement, make no mistake about it, I would have taken it.
ack-ack
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I'd say it's because a lot of us were among the first batches of n00bs, so we were all n00bs at the same time so we don't know what it's like being a n00b because it was like the blind leading the blind and now we get to be elitist snob vets. Woohoo!
:x
Qouted for truth!!!! :rofl :rofl
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Not sure I understand this reply Vudak ?
The way I see things, if the guy can get a shot on me, but I can't get one on him, it's fair game, and I want him to take it. I, after all, am to blame for getting in that position. I should have had a better angle. If he holds off, what did I learn? Further, if he holds off on a kill shot, and I later go on to "win," did I really?
Give me a clean first merge for sport, but after that, take any shot you get. I will work hard to make sure you don't get one, you will work hard to make sure you do get one, and may the best man win.
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The way I see things, if the guy can get a shot on me, but I can't get one on him, it's fair game, and I want him to take it. I, after all, am to blame for getting in that position. I should have had a better angle. If he holds off, what did I learn? Further, if he holds off on a kill shot, and I later go on to "win," did I really?
Give me a clean first merge for sport, but after that, take any shot you get. I will work hard to make sure you don't get one, you will work hard to make sure you do get one, and may the best man win.
Got it!! :salute
Many many times I have dueled and it is obvious that my opponent and or I are forgoing these shots, and the fight is usually much more enjoyable for both! :aok
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oops!
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Got it!! :salute
Many many times I have dueled and it is obvious that my opponent and or I are forgoing these shots, and the fight is usually much more enjoyable for both! :aok
Those feel artificial to me sometimes... Also you then get the gray area shots that could start an argument... I'd rather just have the guy shoot, and I can shoot. If we both want a longer fight for whatever reason, we can always get rid of cannons or a set of guns (or just both avoid getting in the way of bullets).
Besides, a big part of dueling is the whole risk/reward aspect... "Ok, so he can probably get a shot here, but if he misses/doesn't kill me, I'll have a great angle in a second." How can I fault a guy for taking what is "his" chance in that situation?
... This is kind of a hijack, eh? Ah, whatever. After last week, we needed another HO thread anyway :D
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I'm often helping n00b's. I used to get a little harsh with them, but realized (although I only asked questions to Nazgul squaddies when I first started) "I used to be them at one point". The Alt+F4 responses are a necessity for some, because they are impatient. But when some of these "Alt+F4 types" ask "What is the tailhook Command again or Dive flaps command", I extend them the same courtesy with silence.
As for starting threads, "Search" should precede any thread start. But, it rarely does.
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As for starting threads, "Search" should precede any thread start. But, it rarely does.
"Search" is one of those things that makes me scratch my head though... So the guy doesn't search, and he's told "USE SEARCH!" but when he does use search, and posts in an old thread, he gets the "HOLY NECROBUMP, BATMAN!" response. He's in trouble either way...
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"Search" is one of those things that makes me scratch my head though... So the guy doesn't search, and he's told "USE SEARCH!" but when he does use search, and posts in an old thread, he gets the "HOLY NECROBUMP, BATMAN!" response. He's in trouble either way...
I agree! Also lots of times it is a newer fella just looking for answers so he posts! The ever present "use search" does little to satisfy ones immediate concern, sometimes simple answers are much more friendly and engaging :aok
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Those feel artificial to me sometimes... Also you then get the gray area shots that could start an argument... I'd rather just have the guy shoot, and I can shoot. If we both want a longer fight for whatever reason, we can always get rid of cannons or a set of guns (or just both avoid getting in the way of bullets).
Besides, a big part of dueling is the whole risk/reward aspect... "Ok, so he can probably get a shot here, but if he misses/doesn't kill me, I'll have a great angle in a second." How can I fault a guy for taking what is "his" chance in that situation?
... This is kind of a hijack, eh? Ah, whatever. After last week, we needed another HO thread anyway :D
I can agree with this, though sometimes when this situation arises I'll push over a tad trying to advertise that I'm not interested in the HO or hi angle only to be shot out of the sky :frown:
Oh well, to each his own! as they say :aok
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"Search" is one of those things that makes me scratch my head though... So the guy doesn't search, and he's told "USE SEARCH!" but when he does use search, and posts in an old thread, he gets the "HOLY NECROBUMP, BATMAN!" response. He's in trouble either way...
No, if he read the responses, he'd know to either "not punt" or "re-word" a new request.
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NEWBIE NOOB (aka bambi) meeting OLD TIME VET (aka godzilla)
How it was : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99n-F1QP7E&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99n-F1QP7E&NR=1)
How it is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lces8YVhI4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lces8YVhI4&NR=1)
How it will be : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzDrv6TEIU&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzDrv6TEIU&NR=1)
NO PRISONERS EH!!!!
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He should search to see if his question is already answered.... then if not he may start a new thread. I don't think the point was to post in an old thread.
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He should search to see if his question is already answered.... then if not he may start a new thread. I don't think the point was to post in an old thread.
The guys asking questions (thankfully) rarely get the "Use search" response. It is the guys posting opinions ("wow the B29 would be awesome, dontcha think?") that get hit with it more times than not...
So the new guy just never gets to express his opinion?
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We are not talking opinions... we are talking asking questions. Questions that many times have been answered over and over.
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We are not talking opinions... we are talking asking questions. Questions that many times have been answered over and over.
I'm glad you got the point of my post. :salute
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We are not talking opinions... we are talking asking questions. Questions that many times have been answered over and over.
Ok, so you and Karaya are talking questions... How many others that scream "Search" are?
All I'm saying is that from what I've seen, there are more people yelling search in the Wishlist than in Help & Training... And there are certainly more repeatedly answered questions in the latter.
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Not sure why anyone would say search if another is trying to express an opinion. Unless it is an opinion that has been beaten into the ground in the past on many occasions.
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Mob rule seems to be the main dish of the day in here.When a player that is not considered a noob puts a new twist on an old thread such as:"The Spit sixteen has a great advantage at 10,000 ft and should have a perk" then that usally attracts somewhat of a debate. On the other hand, a newb posts "Perk the Sixteen cos I keep being killed by them" attracts the mob like sharks. The vast majority on here do not know how to reason or want to reason, Instead, they fall into the mob, and it's the mob that tends to hold sway over what is deemed acceptable or not.
Value judgements tend to be made on an Inter-sugjective basis and then if anyone posts a counter-argument then again, mob rule takes over. A newb posting on a subject tends to lean what one defines as a "false dilemna"- a dismassal of an arguemnt based on who said it. Until such times that we hold each other to higher standards, then Mob rule will continue to prevail.
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Not sure why anyone would say search if another is trying to express an opinion. Unless it is an opinion that has been beaten into the ground in the past on many occasions.
There isn't a single opinion in here that hasn't been beaten into the ground by now... Ok, maybe an opinion about the new planes, but give it a week :)
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Im not gonna read every thread here, but I help as much as i can. If I cant help them then practice is the only hope. IF someone doesnt understand after the third time of me explaining it, or maybe less if im in a good mood and my meds are working, Im a complete Ahole. Then I just squelch em because they usually try to jump in my plane constantly. I do however alwas refer to the http://trainers.hitechcreations.com webpage.
Cheers :salute
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There isn't a single opinion in here that hasn't been beaten into the ground by now... Ok, maybe an opinion about the new planes, but give it a week :)
All my opinions are fresh as a mountain breeze.... :D
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We are not talking opinions... we are talking asking questions. Questions that many times have been answered over and over.
Sometimes referred to as "Frequently Asked Questions." Someone should compile a list of these.
http://www2.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html
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Sometimes referred to as "Frequently Asked Questions." Someone should compile a list of these.
http://www2.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html
It wouldn't matter. Most of the people who are lazy, are not concerned as they KNOW others will be gullible enough to answer. I see what you mean though.
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why are noobs so intolerant of intolerant people?
why do so many intolerant people shoot down my p38?
why do intolerant people fart, then blame the intolerant person next to them?
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this is what happens after a 16 hour day. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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To answer the original question of this post.....
A new fella that has been on about a week or two I believe said to a bunch of people the other day. "Hey guys, you can all leave, I got this" A CV that was just trying to take port had been sunk and they were feverishly trying to get LVT's in there. It wasn't going to happen as it was well capped but none the less he insisted we all go away.
Earlier that afternoon this same fella was blowing up the country channel trying to get help on how to fire rockets. About 5 people tried to help him for a bout 10 minutes yet he didn't seem to get it for whatever reason.
About 15 minutes after his "I got this" gaff, which brought upon him a slurry of jibs and jabs. Poor kid. He then proceeded to blow up the country channel again asking "HOW DO I FIRE ROCKETS"
We have since appointed supreme commander of all operations for life!
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Yes newbs are annoying. We all were little puppies annoying the crap out of the old guys once. But I think that in the game ragging is fine, but in here where there is a good chance of getting help, we should be supportive, and actually help them instead of yelling "USE THE SEARCH" at them. By that I mean we should tell them how to use it, give them tips, and educate them about forum etiquette and culture.
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"USE THE SEARCH"
Not 15 minutes ago someone opened a thread with a queston and I said - "I know that" - and off I went and googled it for a pic and uploaded it with a reply...
At the same time 2 other did exactly the same ( one even loaded the same pic as me 1st heheh).
...and I sat back and thought...WHAT THE...??
If it took 3 of us only a few minutes to find several good answers to the question - What the hell was wrong with the OP finding it himself?
I understand about obscure/not plain view questions but to make absolutley NO effort on your own is pretty lame.
...just MHO eh!
***edit so if I'm not clear - I'm changing my view on "lazy layabout can't get off their posterior" noobs!! PLAIN noobs are OK tho eh!
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Yes, I feel the same why, but it seems as though many think it a capitol crime to be newb.
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Yes newbs are annoying. We all were little puppies annoying the crap out of the old guys once. But I think that in the game ragging is fine, but in here where there is a good chance of getting help, we should be supportive, and actually help them instead of yelling "USE THE SEARCH" at them. By that I mean we should tell them how to use it, give them tips, and educate them about forum etiquette and culture.
Again again again again again again again again and again?
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Yes again. While I admit some need discouragment against a B29 thread, with a blunt instrument if nessecary, most just need some time. If a kid touches a hot stove, do you smash his hand with a hammer or do you patch it up, make him feel better, and then explain that the stove is hot.
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Yes again. While I admit some need discouragment against a B29 thread, with a blunt instrument if nessecary, most just need some time. If a kid touches a hot stove, do you smash his hand with a hammer or do you patch it up, make him feel better, and then explain that the stove is hot.
These are not my kids. My kids read.
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Would you smash the neighbors hand then? Again, many newbs will get burned by your stove, but you don't start beating them untill proven incapable of learning.
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Would you smash the neighbors hand then? Again, many newbs will get burned by your stove, but you don't start beating them untill proven incapable of learning.
Your ad hominem example is straying from a very simple observation from about 2 pages ago.
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Could you be more specific. Like after or before 2 pages.
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One reason you can very justifiably ask "obvious" questions to a forum like this is when you want to hear some not just informed but opinionated answers. It's in those answers that you often find some insight that you'd have missed by reading the textbook rap. Asking for this kind of novel perspective on an old topic should be encouraged. Searching for it won't hurt though. The answer you're looking for might have already been answered.
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Waahhhh, I'm confused. Does that mean you support yelling at newbs instead of helping and getting sued for assulting the neighbor kid?
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I support yelling, squelching, shooting, gutting, skinning and quartering of noobs if they are irritating.
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I don't know what's going on, just that those damn neighbor kids are a pain in the arse!
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Would you smash the neighbors hand then? Again, many newbs will get burned by your stove, but you don't start beating them untill proven incapable of learning.
To make it as basic and simple as I can. I help those who help themselves.
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To make it as basic and simple as I can. I help those who help themselves.
i help myself.
i help myself to the leaves on the trees as they ho me.
i help myself to the walls of the buildings as they ram me
i help myself to the fresh air as my trusty ole p38 is shot out from under me
i help myself to a swim when i have to bail over water
:noid :rofl :aok
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To make it as basic and simple as I can. I help those who help themselves.
Shuff, you're confusing Nemesis. Baby steps bro, baby steps. :devil
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I don't know what's going on, just that those damn neighbor kids are a pain in the arse!
Agreed, but I just don't have the money to get involved in a legal suit, right now. I just barely bought a new computer. The clerk had to pry the money out of my hand.
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<< is intolerant of people that try to merge onto the freeway at 30mph slower than the flow of traffic.
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It's intolerable that I read this whole thread (9 pages) :O
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It's intolerable that I read this whole thread (9 pages) :O
it's intolerable that you're intolerable of an intolerable thread about intolerable people being intolerant. :x :aok :rofl
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it's intolerable that you're intolerable of an intolerable thread about intolerable people being intolerant. :x :aok :rofl
:aok :aok :salute
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Short people got no reason to live. :D
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Waahhhh, I'm confused. Does that mean you support yelling at newbs instead of helping and getting sued for assulting the neighbor kid?
Just stop shooting at one wing planes plummenting to the ground ! :aok
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Was up night before last and we had Noob who just couldn't shut up and worse yet his mic was bad. Finally about 4 guys threatened to squelch him. Of course his ID was 50550446644665544
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Was up night before last and we had Noob who just couldn't shut up and worse yet his mic was bad. Finally about 4 guys threatened to squelch him. Of course his ID was 50550446644665544
:devil
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Short people got no reason to live. :D
don't be so dang hard on yourself Chalenge. :lol
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don't be so dang hard on yourself Chalenge. :lol
Ya, man, were your friends. Do you want us to get you a support group?
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Especially this time of year I HATE newbies. Lack of parentle supervision in a game beyond the child's cognative capabilities. Constant country chatter, constant "everyone follow me", constant "I'm doing this that or the other" constant "I need an escort", constant minute by minute narrations of events, constantly giving away my beloved Cv's after another 3 to 6 hour sail. :furious
It really is a waste of effort trying to teach / pass on instructions to these kids and as for some of the adult newbies...talk about "cognative". I swear this game is a top feature on "your a retard and you know it.com"
:rolleyes:
:mad:
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I like noobs!
They keep the player-pool fresh. Without them the game would just be a misery of runstangs, run90s, altmonkey 109s and 38s, and furballers in their turning planes lamenting the runners and altmonkeys. Ch200 would be nothing but an endless whine of how "my way is the right way to play the game and you're all dweebs".
I like noobs... Even in Spits!
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Yes newbs are annoying. We all were little puppies annoying the crap out of the old guys once. But I think that in the game ragging is fine, but in here where there is a good chance of getting help, we should be supportive, and actually help them instead of yelling "USE THE SEARCH" at them. By that I mean we should tell them how to use it, give them tips, and educate them about forum etiquette and culture.
What you, obviously, fail to understand is that after 20 years of dealing with effort challenged noobs......some folks just don't care. People that put no effort into learning something about things before they log in get what they deserve. BTW, most of the instances of the "kids with burning stoves" are not the same kid....it's a new lazy weener almost ever time. Personally, if the "hammer" thing doesn't work....I say GET A BIGGER HAMMER !!
What is irksome is seeing others, that are only a step beyond those that are getting pounded themselves, take such relish in piling on. It's kind of like the 5th guy into a fight ragging on the guy that died. :rolleyes:
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I agree with what you said, but still have some patients until 12:00pm at least.
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I like noobs!
They keep the player-pool fresh. Without them the game would just be a misery of runstangs, run90s, altmonkey 109s and 38s, and furballers in their turning planes lamenting the runners and altmonkeys. Ch200 would be nothing but an endless whine of how "my way is the right way to play the game and you're all dweebs".
I like noobs... Even in Spits!
LOL
Was gonna do a BIG :aok but then I noticed : oh no....it's YOU!! lol
But ya know...you're absolutely RIGHT IMHO!! :D
:aok :aok :aok
cheers eh!
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Got something against me... Eh? ;)
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What do Noob's or Squeaker's have to do with this? The man speaks of the Newbs............
I like noobs & squeakers. Used to be one or the other myself.
And I've got a whole bunch of sqeakers in my house. :D Don't be too hard on them :)
AND HERE IS THE ISSUE......
1st of all... I am pro-B29. (Nuff said)
But if you don't even begin to know how to play, much less get 24's up with 50% from a base that has a 30 degree incline at the end of the runway....... Why would you come on here and ask for the 29 anyways?
I think that says it all.
I also thought you were talking about why the Newb's are treated poorly in game. For that I'd defend them. But here on the forums...... Newbs should be reading more and talking less. No offense New People.
Learn the game, read a few threads, perhaps then you wont be so fast to publish a clearly "flame-able" request or comment.
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wanted: newbs and squeakers
apply to Meou01, see squadron forum look for the squad "beginners luck"! :x
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..........But if you don't even begin to know how to play, much less get 24's up with 50% from a base that has a 30 degree incline at the end of the runway....... Why would you come on here and ask for the 29 anyways?
I think that says it all...............
uummmm...so..."lazer" guns and "strength" spells are out of the question too?? <squeeky pout>
cheers eh! :D
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some my know me some may not, but i was a newb not but 6yrs ago, never played ah1 or AW, i was racin online nascar during that time. then i saw the commercial for AH2 on the military channel an fell in luv, signed up for my 2weeks, didnt have a clue on what to do. but i kept joining Genrl's RTC squad missions. still in my 1st week, genrl took me aside an asked me to join his squad i said yes an my very 1st sortie as a member of the RTC i ran a goon, dropped my troops from 15k town untouched doin over 200 an killed em all. then genrl gato, swatch, Hand, Bam an afew other started workin w/ me. now im the co of the Bomberwing of the oldest squad in ww2 sim games(the Chawks formed in 1990) now i do work for senerio's run fso's for our squad and just this past jan. i sank over 200 carriers in 1 month. i have help alot of ppl that have played longer than i an i luv being able to share the things ive learned w/ others. the point of my ramblin is, dont treat a person thats new like dirt, cuz you never know they may become the next great pilot in ur squad. i have no problem showing anyone anything ive learned, newb or not, cuz we were all new at 1 time. and ppl that give new players a hard time, well thats just not cool an very unsportsman like imo. so if some1 asks for help give asec to help a feller out, some1 did for u at 1 time or nother. if u dont wanna atleast dont be mean to em as it will turn em off to the game really quick.
<<S>> QcareCH
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They're all Noobaphobes I tell ya..... Noobaphobes.
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I tried the strength spell once... Couldn't crap for a week......... Get's you all stuffy.... :D
:salute
uummmm...so..."lazer" guns and "strength" spells are out of the question too?? <squeeky pout>
cheers eh! :D
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Oh
My
God
wanted: newbs and squeakers
apply to Meou01, see squadron forum look for the squad "beginners luck"! :x
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I feel sorry for newbs, they have to learn the game while knowing that help is just that-a four letter word.
Last night I decided to download the new version and try it out. I logged in and jumped in a crate. My frame rate was hovering near the Forty-five mark, so I went on CH 200 and asked if there was a way to improve frame rates.
Here's the four responses I got back, Ingame handles will not be published:
1- "Alt F4"
2- "Press enter three times"
3-"Press enter then alt-f4"
4-"Turn off detailed mapping"
I was dissapointed to read those responses. These answers lead to follow up "Lol's" from all and sundry and of course- mutual back slapping. The reposnes numbered 1-3 were from long time players and that was dissapointing. I concluded that asking a question ch200 is not viable and from now on I'll post a question on my squad's bbs or on the AH help and training section.I thought this game was better than that, I know it can be as there are enough responsible players judging by reading a lot of posts on here.
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I feel sorry for newbs, they have to learn the game while knowing that help is just that-a four letter word.
Last night I decided to download the new version and try it out. I logged in and jumped in a crate. My frame rate was hovering near the Forty-five mark, so I went on CH 200 and asked if there was a way to improve frame rates.
Here's the four responses I got back, Ingame handles will not be published:
1- "Alt F4"
2- "Press enter three times"
3-"Press enter then alt-f4"
4-"Turn off detailed mapping"
I was dissapointed to read those responses. These answers lead to follow up "Lol's" from all and sundry and of course- mutual back slapping. The reposnes numbered 1-3 were from long time players and that was dissapointing. I concluded that asking a question ch200 is not viable and from now on I'll post a question on my squad's bbs or on the AH help and training section.I thought this game was better than that, I know it can be as there are enough responsible players judging by reading a lot of posts on here.
funny.
i see people come in mw, and ask the same kinds of questions.....and if i recall, akak was trying to help someone improve their framrate last week. a couple others were too.
in mw, i see most things answered properly....nothing like you're posting.....well.......from the majority anyway. there is a few that've revently started coming in that do that.
must be a lw thing.......
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I apologise for not being clear enough Cap. The arena was later war.
Tunes
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Going through a long laundry list in the MAs is not very easy and it makes the buffer even more busy. They should have just told you to check the boards as so much information is posted here.
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I apologise for not being clear enough Cap. The arena was later war.
Tunes
:aok
:D
just don't let it happen again. i'll be forced to repost pics of my infected toe. :noid :noid
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:lol
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just don't let it happen again. i'll be forced to repost pics of my infected toe. :noid :noid
Do that :eek: and I'll be forced to post pics of where MY infected toe used to be!! :uhoh
cheers eh!
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Do that :eek: and I'll be forced to post pics of where MY infected toe used to be!! :uhoh
cheers eh!
:x :noid :x :noid :rofl :rofl
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:x :noid :x :noid :rofl :rofl
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :x :rock :rofl :noid :lol :D :furious :pray :P :devil :( :cry :cool: :P :( :O :huh
So take that.
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You boys..... :)
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Ooops, forgot the ":P" at the end of the "so take that".