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Title: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 02, 2009, 12:31:14 AM
Discoed 4 times today. Game running like crap when I'm not discoed, stops and starts so bad "stuttering" doesn't even begin to describe it. I've got detailed terrain off and my frame rate is around 60 most of the time, so it isn't that, and anyway this didn't happen all week, only since the latest patch. A couple of others I talked to got discoed multiple times today as well.

Work the bugs out, HTC, or revert to the old version. I'll tolerate the crappy graphics if others want to have their chrome, but I ain't paying $14.95 to stare at a black screen.  :mad:
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: uptown on August 02, 2009, 01:33:42 AM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting and most of what I see on these boards are complaints!
I held my comments until i looked, listened and read up on the problems I was having. I'm glad I did because just as I suspected there were some things I needed to do on my end to make the game playable. The game is not perfect. Never was to begin with but IMHO it's better then it was. The terrain is awesome, the water and sun glare are just plain cool as hell.

How do you think the folks at HTC feel when you call all their hard work a pile o' crap? I came to this game right before AH1  ended and believe me, what we have now is way better.

If you have a problem, roll up your sleeves and try to solve it. Either that or become part of the problem.You knuckelheads that fill up the boards with this whining and crying does nothing but take up space that could be used to figure some of this stuff out. As it is now, most of us have to weed through all the crap (like this thread) to get answers. Grow up peabrain! (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: gyrene81 on August 02, 2009, 01:35:52 AM
I'm sure your mother cares...you can always tell the juvenile turds from the serious people...serious people either leave without some loud stupidity like your post or they post their concerns in an educated adult manner.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: texastc316 on August 02, 2009, 02:35:20 AM
Discoed 4 times today. Game running like crap when I'm not discoed, stops and starts so bad "stuttering" doesn't even begin to describe it. I've got detailed terrain off and my frame rate is around 60 most of the time, so it isn't that, and anyway this didn't happen all week, only since the latest patch. A couple of others I talked to got discoed multiple times today as well.

Work the bugs out, HTC, or revert to the old version. I'll tolerate the crappy graphics if others want to have their chrome, but I ain't paying $14.95 to stare at a black screen.  :mad:

well, bye
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: AWwrgwy on August 02, 2009, 03:10:07 AM
Any stuttering I have experienced, on this version as well as the previous ones, seem to me to be due to textures being rendered on my computer.

I will get stutters when a new plane shows up, when I get low and the trees start popping up, etc.

Maybe your computer needs some tweaking.

Of course you could just whine instead.


wrongway

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Dragon on August 02, 2009, 03:18:42 AM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting and most of what I see on these boards are complaints!
I held my comments until i looked, listened and read up on the problems I was having. I'm glad I did because just as I suspected there were some things I needed to do on my end to make the game playable. The game is not perfect. Never was to begin with but IMHO it's better then it was. The terrain is awesome, the water and sun glare are just plain cool as hell.

How do you think the folks at HTC feel when you call all their hard work a pile o' crap? I came to this game right before AH1  ended and believe me, what we have now is way better.

If you have a problem, roll up your sleeves and try to solve it. Either that or become part of the problem.You knuckelheads that fill up the boards with this whining and crying does nothing but take up space that could be used to figure some of this stuff out. As it is now, most of us have to weed through all the crap (like this thread) to get answers. Grow up peabrain! (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)


+1


















Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Ghosth on August 02, 2009, 07:01:46 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: PK1Mw on August 02, 2009, 07:09:42 AM
I may actually care he was leaving, if I know who he was.  :D
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: moot on August 02, 2009, 07:40:27 AM
Sounds like your PC's got some issues Orange. 
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: RTHolmes on August 02, 2009, 08:28:11 AM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting and most of what I see on these boards are complaints!
I held my comments until i looked, listened and read up on the problems I was having. I'm glad I did because just as I suspected there were some things I needed to do on my end to make the game playable. The game is not perfect. Never was to begin with but IMHO it's better then it was. The terrain is awesome, the water and sun glare are just plain cool as hell.

How do you think the folks at HTC feel when you call all their hard work a pile o' crap? I came to this game right before AH1  ended and believe me, what we have now is way better.

If you have a problem, roll up your sleeves and try to solve it. Either that or become part of the problem.You knuckelheads that fill up the boards with this whining and crying does nothing but take up space that could be used to figure some of this stuff out. As it is now, most of us have to weed through all the crap (like this thread) to get answers. Grow up peabrain! (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)

+2

Work the bugs out, HTC

what do you think the patches are for, if not to fix bugs? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: bj229r on August 02, 2009, 09:30:34 AM
Any stuttering I have experienced, on this version as well as the previous ones, seem to me to be due to textures being rendered on my computer.

I will get stutters when a new plane shows up, when I get low and the trees start popping up, etc.

Maybe your computer needs some tweaking.

Of course you could just whine instead.


wrongway


I never thought to ask---does your hard drive hammer when stutters occur?
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Helm on August 02, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
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Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 02, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
I never thought to ask---does your hard drive hammer when stutters occur?

Nope.

Also, it doesn't only happen in the arena - it sometimes starts as soon as the game is open, before I've even logged in. This is why i don't think it's a graphics issue, or insufficient RAM.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Motherland on August 02, 2009, 02:51:54 PM
There's bugs in the new version. HTC knows it. That's why we've had 3 patches since it came out on Tuesday. HTC is doing an amazing job of trying to smooth out the transition, they've even been trying to help players in the arenas.


Everyone needs to just settle down.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: ImADot on August 02, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
If you're serious about wanting help, post your system spec and output from dxdiag.  There are lots of smart people here and I'm sure you will recieve good advice as long as you ask for it with some thought and respect.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: 96Delta on August 02, 2009, 03:01:31 PM
Orange,

Don't let the handful of perfect people on this board
who flame everyone with their one sentence wit bother you.  
You have a right to your opinion and to present it on the forum
that HiTech provided for doing just that.

I understand that you are upset and feel as though the
game is being put out of your reach. I've
been there and still struggle with that..but...
lets get this kitty purring while we await further
fixes...

If you haven't done so, please check out a
thread I  just posted.  Some of the suggestions and
settings there might be useful to get the game playing
satisfactorily for you while you await further patches.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270637.0.html

I've tried to make it very clear and have used a copious
amount of screencaps to illustrate every setting.  I hope
it yields the results I'm hoping for. :salute

As far as the discos go, I've been hit by them too.
Today and last night during a massive mission - we had
like 25 discos at the same time!  My mission was wiped out!!
But be assured that the discos will most definitely get
fixed.  I am certain of that and have every confidence
in HTC.

So, try these settings if you need to an please post back
and let me know if this works out for you. :) :salute
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 02, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting

It ain't the update I was wanting, and judging by the number of complaints I'm far from alone.

most of what I see on these boards are complaints!

Um... yeah. We're paying money for something that doesn't work. Damn straight we're complaining! If I take my car to the shop and it comes out still broken, I want my money back or the car fixed. If I buy a ticket to a movie, I want to sit back and watch a movie, not to be told what I have to do to the projector in order to make it work. If I don't get that it isn't a "whine" or "crying," it's a legitimate complaint.

How do you think the folks at HTC feel when you call all their hard work a pile o' crap?

Hopefully motivated to fix it after they see how unhappy many of their customers are.

If you have a problem, roll up your sleeves and try to solve it.

Look, I've already got a day job and this ain't it. I play AH2 to relax and have fun, not to take on some technological challenge. And this isn't some sort of open source community project, it's a business with paying customers. If they want to keep their customers, they need to provide a usable product, it's that simple. I'm not going to quit the game after one day, and I don't expect HTC to go to the ends of the Earth for one customer, but like I said above, I'm far from the only one having problems.

Thanks for the help, 96Delta, I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: BiPoLaR on August 02, 2009, 03:10:18 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.


not the kind of response an HTC trainer needs to be saying
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: BiPoLaR on August 02, 2009, 03:11:59 PM
Sounds like your PC's got some issues Orange. 
This is the response an HTC trainer should say
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Rich46yo on August 02, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Discoed 4 times today. Game running like crap when I'm not discoed, stops and starts so bad "stuttering" doesn't even begin to describe it. I've got detailed terrain off and my frame rate is around 60 most of the time, so it isn't that, and anyway this didn't happen all week, only since the latest patch. A couple of others I talked to got discoed multiple times today as well.

Work the bugs out, HTC, or revert to the old version. I'll tolerate the crappy graphics if others want to have their chrome, but I ain't paying $14.95 to stare at a black screen.  :mad:

Many have legitimate problems and are posting here, frustrated, so's we can all help them out. God knows how many E-mails and tech support questions AH is fielding. I can sympathize with long time players running into a wall, and those who cant stretch a buck to buy new.

Its the Queens i cant stomach however.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/dragqueen-main.jpg)
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: B4Buster on August 02, 2009, 03:45:20 PM
:cry
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: MORAY37 on August 02, 2009, 03:45:26 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.



Ok, AH trainer.

Wow.  
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Chalenge on August 02, 2009, 03:46:31 PM
To miss this guy you would have to be in a locomotive when he pulled his Zeke into a break turn.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: B4Buster on August 02, 2009, 03:52:15 PM
I agree with Ghost. There are so many whine threads about the update. Trainer or not he is going to get frustrated with all of them (along with alot of other people)

We had over a month to test beta. It is their fault they didn't D/L it and try fixing it then. Instead, some procrastinated and bring it to the boards now.

For those of you who ran beta and have done everything you can - this doesn't include you.

All the tech issues could have 1.) been posted in the correct forum and 2.) consolidated into one thread so HTC staff doesn't need to read through 100 topics in 2-3 different forum sections.

People, give them time. 2.14 hasn't even been out for a full week yet. They know people are having issues, so you can expect they'll do whatever they can to fix them.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Vudak on August 02, 2009, 03:52:45 PM
Sheesh guys, give Ghosth a break.  It's not like the OP was being even borderline respectful.  Just look at the title.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: B4Buster on August 02, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Sheesh guys, give Ghosth a break.  It's not like the OP was being even borderline respectful.  Just look at the title.

+1

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: texastc316 on August 02, 2009, 03:56:36 PM
I'm with ghosth
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: moot on August 02, 2009, 04:01:05 PM
And consider how much longer it would've taken to put this patch out if HTC had waited to have it in perfect shape, without the massive amount of feedback they got from the open beta and directly post-release.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Infidelz on August 02, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
You must be the head Turd. You don't belong here. You have no idea what your doing and shouldn't be playing this level of computer game for a hobby. It is out of your league. You need to invest in a game boy.

Infidelz
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: MORAY37 on August 02, 2009, 06:39:15 PM
Sheesh guys, give Ghosth a break.  It's not like the OP was being even borderline respectful.  Just look at the title.

Wait a second, not like I disagree with Ghosth...complete opposite.

There is, however, an added responsibility when you are representing anyone's business in any manner.  If it were Ghosth's business, he can talk to any paying customer in whatever way he feels.  It is not.  It is Dale's. 

Whether or not I agreed with him, if it were my business, that tag is gone.  It simply isn't his place to represent me and cut down a customer. The customer presented it wrong, but the customer is always right.  If you expect to collect his 180 bucks per year to play a game, you must treat it that way.  It is Ghosth's responsibility to simply show him where he might communicate this with those actually involved in Hitech, where he might fix his issue.

As it were, the tag only implies that Ghosth is affiliated with HTC in any way, and that's dangerous in business.  It gives the mistaken impression that that is the company line, to those that don't understand the difference between a "trainer" and the guys at Hitech.

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Wreked on August 02, 2009, 07:16:45 PM
We all need to count to 10 - several times - before posting...

AND......

.....taking away Oranges rather inappropriate Thread Heading he actually does have an issue that needs fixing.

Orange - you're rude in your naming of this thread and by doing so you've alienated some who may have been prepared to help you - next time think 1st eh!

...the rest of you especially those with NO problems running the game - lighten up a bit and put yourself in their frustrated shoes - WE are the ADDICTED and we all want our AH fix each and every day - when it is taken away from us we get GRUMPY!!

I'm forever a lousy shot and still a TechnoDweeb so I hope Orange gets the help he needs from you guys.

cheers eh!
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: BiPoLaR on August 02, 2009, 07:25:37 PM
Wait a second, not like I disagree with Ghosth...complete opposite.

There is, however, an added responsibility when you are representing anyone's business in any manner.  If it were Ghosth's business, he can talk to any paying customer in whatever way he feels.  It is not.  It is Dale's. 

Whether or not I agreed with him, if it were my business, that tag is gone.  It simply isn't his place to represent me and cut down a customer. The customer presented it wrong, but the customer is always right.  If you expect to collect his 180 bucks per year to play a game, you must treat it that way.  It is Ghosth's responsibility to simply show him where he might communicate this with those actually involved in Hitech, where he might fix his issue.

As it were, the tag only implies that Ghosth is affiliated with HTC in any way, and that's dangerous in business.  It gives the mistaken impression that that is the company line, to those that don't understand the difference between a "trainer" and the guys at Hitech.



+1
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Vudak on August 02, 2009, 07:30:32 PM
I really don't mean to offend you by this (seriously!) but have you just arrived, or have you been blind the past few years?

If you feel the way you do, what Ghosth has said is the tippity tip TIP of the iceberg.  It's completely harmless comparatively to other past comments by other representatives.  So much so, that it SHOULD fly under the radar.  Yet it didn't, for a few reasons...  Mainly aggravation/stress I'd guess.

What's more, he's saved more people and subscriptions than that post will ever hurt.

Much ado about nothing.

Wait a second, not like I disagree with Ghosth...complete opposite.

There is, however, an added responsibility when you are representing anyone's business in any manner.  If it were Ghosth's business, he can talk to any paying customer in whatever way he feels.  It is not.  It is Dale's. 

Whether or not I agreed with him, if it were my business, that tag is gone.  It simply isn't his place to represent me and cut down a customer. The customer presented it wrong, but the customer is always right.  If you expect to collect his 180 bucks per year to play a game, you must treat it that way.  It is Ghosth's responsibility to simply show him where he might communicate this with those actually involved in Hitech, where he might fix his issue.

As it were, the tag only implies that Ghosth is affiliated with HTC in any way, and that's dangerous in business.  It gives the mistaken impression that that is the company line, to those that don't understand the difference between a "trainer" and the guys at Hitech.


Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Shuffler on August 02, 2009, 08:07:15 PM
I agree with Ghost. There are so many whine threads about the update. Trainer or not he is going to get frustrated with all of them (along with alot of other people)

We had over a month to test beta. It is their fault they didn't D/L it and try fixing it then. Instead, some procrastinated and bring it to the boards now.

For those of you who ran beta and have done everything you can - this doesn't include you.

All the tech issues could have 1.) been posted in the correct forum and 2.) consolidated into one thread so HTC staff doesn't need to read through 100 topics in 2-3 different forum sections.

People, give them time. 2.14 hasn't even been out for a full week yet. They know people are having issues, so you can expect they'll do whatever they can to fix them.

I downloaded it and tried it. FAIL. I chose to wait till they fixed it. Let the others be guinea pigs. Unfortunately it was released well before it was fixed due to folks in a hurry to see it.

I prefer to see something more than Microsoft type releases. I realize this is hard to do because of so many types of hardware/software mixes out in the real world. I still don't think you should be berating folks for posting their opinion. After all you posted yours.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: The Fugitive on August 02, 2009, 08:16:41 PM
While Ghost does VOLUNTEER his time, he's a paying customer as well. And like the OP has, and CAN voice HIS opinion. I think Ghost was easy on him. Compare the other post people have posted.

I think the OP along with most of the other complainers are a bunch of blind fools with the "I want it NOW!" syndrome running full blown!

The new version hasn't been out a week yet and all we can see the crybabies going at it. Calm down, and give HTC some time to work it out. By the end of the month most people won't even remember what troubles they were having, and will be back to complaining about the hordes, ho's and ace pilots.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: B4Buster on August 02, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
Read the 4th section down Shuffler, I said they should be in the correct forum and in one thread.

edit: I didn't berate anyone's opinion. If someone is a paying customer, they deserved to be heard. Just in the right format. FAIL.


Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Shuffler on August 02, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
Read the 4th section down Shuffler, I said they should be in the correct forum and in one thread.

edit: I didn't berate anyone's opinion. If someone is a paying customer, they deserved to be heard. Just in the right format. FAIL.




The boards are the right format. He can post where he wants. Evidently the prior posts in your so-called right forum FAILED. This was obviously released way before it was ready. Microsoft does it the same way. Maybe it is SOP now.

I was here when we went from AH1 to AH 2..... it was not near as bad as this.


Sadly it seems all the games think they need to be more like XBox to keep some interested.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: fudgums on August 02, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
Geeze change is in the air
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Delirium on August 02, 2009, 09:29:37 PM
There was similar issues with AH2 when it was released, the bugs got worked out and people enjoyed it for a good long time.

Give it time, the problems will be worked out. Don't kill each other until then, it isn't worth it.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: texastc316 on August 02, 2009, 09:31:54 PM


I was here when we went from AH1 to AH 2..... it was not near as bad as this.



I was here then too, and my computer couldnt run it at all. I got a new computer and a divorce, moved somewhere that didnt have even decent dialup, and finally came back in 2006. it was teh suxxor
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Delirium on August 02, 2009, 09:41:28 PM
I was here when we went from AH1 to AH 2..... it was not near as bad as this.

Maybe not for you, but many had problems with it. I was one of those that had problems, tracers of any kind killed my frame rate and brought it to 0.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Shuffler on August 02, 2009, 09:44:59 PM
Maybe not for you, but many had problems with it. I was one of those that had problems, tracers of any kind killed my frame rate and brought it to 0.

From what I saw across the boards there was nowhere near the problems they are having now.

I had a few issues that were easily fixed between AH1 and 2.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: CAP1 on August 02, 2009, 10:06:07 PM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting and most of what I see on these boards are complaints!


i don't know how old you are, but if you don't already realize it, i have your answer.


human nature.

people WILL without fail, on average find SOMETHING in ANYTHING to complain about. even if it was somehting they wanted/asked for.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: B4Buster on August 02, 2009, 10:15:09 PM
Shuffler - no doubt the X-Box croud seems to have alot of pull.

You said it yourself though, people demanded the update before it was ready. The same people who wanted a thrown bone are now some of the guys who are upset because it doesn't run perfectly yet.

By saying people who posted their problems in the correct forums (Tech Help + Bug Reports) "FAILED" because it hasn't been fixed yet is untrue. The update hasn't even been out for a week yet.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: bj229r on August 02, 2009, 10:15:35 PM
The boards are the right format. He can post where he wants. Evidently the prior posts in your so-called right forum FAILED. This was obviously released way before it was ready. Microsoft does it the same way. Maybe it is SOP now.

I was here when we went from AH1 to AH 2..... it was not near as bad as this.


Sadly it seems all the games think they need to be more like XBox to keep some interested.
It was TONS worse! I couldn't play for like 6 months :cry
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Shuffler on August 02, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
It was TONS worse! I couldn't play for like 6 months :cry

A few of you are looking back on how it affected you. I'm talking about accross the board, everyone.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Sincraft on August 02, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
I'm really ashamed for some of the stuff these posters are putting out. HTC has delivered the update everyone was wanting and most of what I see on these boards are complaints!
I held my comments until i looked, listened and read up on the problems I was having. I'm glad I did because just as I suspected there were some things I needed to do on my end to make the game playable. The game is not perfect. Never was to begin with but IMHO it's better then it was. The terrain is awesome, the water and sun glare are just plain cool as hell.

How do you think the folks at HTC feel when you call all their hard work a pile o' crap? I came to this game right before AH1  ended and believe me, what we have now is way better.

If you have a problem, roll up your sleeves and try to solve it. Either that or become part of the problem.You knuckelheads that fill up the boards with this whining and crying does nothing but take up space that could be used to figure some of this stuff out. As it is now, most of us have to weed through all the crap (like this thread) to get answers. Grow up peabrain! (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)

Well said - coming from someone that obviously has NO problems with the game.  NICE!  HOORAY FOR ME, to hell with you right?

lol - yea I run this game fine...but feel bad for those frustrated by their loss of ability to play.  Pretty sad you dont.  But something tells me you do, are frustrated too and possibly just wish the complaints were worded better?  At least I hope you think this.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: TwinEng on August 02, 2009, 11:35:57 PM
It looks like all of the other officers in my squad have decided to abandon the game, due to all of the problems associated with the new release.  Roughly 20% of our squad cannot play the game anymore, including our CO and XO.  So my squad is history.

It is ether convert over to Battleground Europe like they are doing so I can continue to play with my buddies that I like, or find a new squad and start all over from scratch.

I'm really not looking forward to doing either one.    :frown:

-
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Chalenge on August 02, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Well you can fly with us Pups and let us check you out and you us if you like. We probably will never be like the guys you mention but we dont have any squeekers in the group.  :rofl
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Harp00n on August 03, 2009, 08:16:52 AM

It is ether convert over to Battleground Europe like they are doing so I can continue to play with my buddies that I like, or find a new squad and start all over from scratch.


They complain about bad framerate or playability and want to change to this ´Massive´-Multiplayer single-digit FPS pile of %&&/# called WW2Online?

 :huh

See you all back in a month  :aok
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: bj229r on August 03, 2009, 08:18:40 AM
A few of you are looking back on how it affected you. I'm talking about accross the board, everyone.
Thats rather what I meant--most folks don't notice stuff unless it affects them
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Sloehand on August 03, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
This is the response an HTC trainer should say

I knew one day I'd be able to say, "I've seen and heard it all".

BiPoLar giving advice on tact.  Who'd of ever thought.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Sloehand on August 03, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
People, give them time. 2.14 hasn't even been out for a full week yet. They know people are having issues, so you can expect they'll do whatever they can to fix them.

I can give them time if...

the soon-to-be-fixed problems only made it difficult or unpleasant to play the game for a while.

But, not very long when the problems make it absolutely impossible to play the game at all, and weeks go by, and I'm still paying the monthly charge like clockwork.  I know I won't hear the words "prorated credit" for time served coming from HTC.

So, while I understand the difficulties and there are some things I know I will always just have to live with.  There are some things HTC and it's community darlings will just have to live with too.  Like people who don't like to pay for something that was broken by the company that's selling it to them.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Sloehand on August 03, 2009, 09:48:39 AM
I think the OP along with most of the other complainers are a bunch of blind fools with the "I want it NOW!" syndrome running full blown!

The new version hasn't been out a week yet and all we can see the crybabies going at it. Calm down, and give HTC some time to work it out. By the end of the month most people won't even remember what troubles they were having, and will be back to complaining about the hordes, ho's and ace pilots.

I'm sure tone of voice and degree of aggravation could be brought down by everyone on both sides of this issue. 

However, though I've spent a few fun hours (sarcasim) of hours reading forum help and tweaking what I can back and forth with very little real direction, consider I haven't played more than half an hour the entire week since the patch, and guess why?  Is it my fault one day I can play to my heart's content, the next day it's a waste of electrons? 

Did I screw something up a week ago so I can't play?  No, I didn't.  Did HiTech?  Yes, they did.  I can't fault them for trying to improve their product.  Good for them.  But the reality is, despite any intentions or best efforts, NO product for me is NO improvement.  And I'm paying for it all.

So, give them time?  Sure, I understand that.  But they need something to help them guage the heartache going on.  Some people whine and cry before they are really hurt, but a week of not getting to play the game has cost me in intangibles things like being able to relax, social interaction with squad and friends, and approximately $3.75.  And with no solution insight, and knowing no one will ever be talking refund, no matter how much gametime is lost, I figure I got some right and room to complain, as do others in the same boat.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Sloehand on August 03, 2009, 09:55:24 AM
Well you can fly with us Pups and let us check you out and you us if you like. We probably will never be like the guys you mention but we dont have any squeekers in the group.  :rofl

But you are a squeeker Chalenge!     :D  :salute
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: kilo2 on August 03, 2009, 09:56:54 AM
I'm sure tone of voice and degree of aggravation could be brought down by everyone on both sides of this issue. 

However, though I've spent a few fun hours (sarcasim) of hours reading forum help and tweaking what I can back and forth with very little real direction, consider I haven't played more than half an hour the entire week since the patch, and guess why?  Is it my fault one day I can play to my heart's content, the next day it's a waste of electrons? 

Did I screw something up a week ago so I can't play?  No, I didn't.  Did HiTech?  Yes, they did.  I can't fault them for trying to improve their product.  Good for them.  But the reality is, despite any intentions or best efforts, NO product for me is NO improvement.  And I'm paying for it all.

So, give them time?  Sure, I understand that.  But they need something to help them guage the heartache going on.  Some people whine and cry before they are really hurt, but a week of not getting to play the game has cost me in intangibles things like being able to relax, social interaction with squad and friends, and approximately $3.75.  And with no solution insight, and knowing no one will ever be talking refund, no matter how much gametime is lost, I figure I got some right and room to complain, as do others in the same boat.

With 3.75 you could buy 3 tacos at taco bell and have change. Get some water and you have a meal. :x
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 03, 2009, 04:41:40 PM
I downloaded it and tried it. FAIL. I chose to wait till they fixed it. Let the others be guinea pigs. Unfortunately it was released well before it was fixed due to folks in a hurry to see it.

I prefer to see something more than Microsoft type releases.

Exactamundo.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Chalenge on August 03, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
But you are a squeeker Chalenge!     :D  :salute

As long as that vox software works no one will ever know.  :aok
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 03, 2009, 04:53:15 PM
I think the OP along with most of the other complainers are a bunch of blind fools with the "I want it NOW!" syndrome running full blown!

Ummm... wouldn't the people demanding the upgrade, ready for prime time or not, be the "I want it NOW!" kidz? To hear some of 'em talk you'd think the world would have ended if the update had taken another two weeks. IMO a little patience and a less buggy release would have been the adult way to proceed. I realize the PC gaming industry is aimed at a 13-year-old market, where waiting until Chrstmas or even next week for one's shiny new toys is an eternity beyond human endurance, but one might hope AH2 would be an exception.

As for what I want... yeah, since I'm paying NOW, I *do* want a game that runs NOW. I think that's quite reasonable. If the game doesn't work, why should people pay for it? You have a strange sense of how business arrangements should work, but you have a strange sense of a lot of things, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Yeager on August 03, 2009, 05:08:23 PM
still here?
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: minke on August 03, 2009, 05:13:23 PM
the PC gaming industry is aimed at a 13-year-old market

I disagree, the '13 year old' market is (and always has been) the games console. HTC gave a fantastic opportunity to download the beta to help iron out the creases and i daresay there will be some more patches to correct outstanding issues. I hope you used the time in beta well to look for potential snags, because its the community that look for and help find bugs,and make the game what it is.
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: TwinEng on August 03, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
They complain about bad framerate or playability and want to change to this ´Massive´-Multiplayer single-digit FPS pile of %&&/# called WW2Online?

 :huh

See you all back in a month  :aok


Well, some of them have already downloaded it and experimented with it, and apparently it is running better on their systems than Aces High is in its current revision.

I'm not having any major problems with the new version of Aces High myself, compared to others.   My frame rate used to be around 55-60, and now fluctuates between 28 and 48, which while perhaps not ideal, is still playable.   I may well need to invest in a better video card, which will also require a new power supply for my PC also.  I think that I can do this at Best Buy for about $160

Why do so many PC makers put such cheap, low rated power supplies in their computers, anyway??  Any decent video card totally overloads these standard factory power supplies.

If our squad does end up leaving, along with the other squads in our alliance, it is going to be a big blow to the Knights.  The Rooks and Bishops will be overrunning the Knight's country for sure.   And just about everyone in our squads seems so disillusioned now with Aces High.   Everyone seems ready to try something different and new.

I'm really not sure if there is another Knights squad that I would even be interested in joining.  Which means I might even have to resort to considering becoming a Rook or Bishop, if I decide to stay.   :uhoh

I really like the guys that I play with currently, so I am certainly between a rock and a hard place.  The cooperative team play of this game is what appeals to me the most.  I really don't want to start all over after having established myself within a good group.

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Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: uptown on August 03, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
Well said - coming from someone that obviously has NO problems with the game.  NICE!  HOORAY FOR ME, to hell with you right?

lol - yea I run this game fine...but feel bad for those frustrated by their loss of ability to play.  Pretty sad you dont.  But something tells me you do, are frustrated too and possibly just wish the complaints were worded better?  At least I hope you think this.
I do have some issues with the game, it still doesn't run like I'd like. And I'm sorry some folks can't get their rigs to work on it. But we all knew this update was coming and some of us looked into what was needed to make the game work, i.e. beta and forums. Some did not.

I think the OP was rude in his post, not to mention the title of it. So I just spoke what was on my mind at the time. :salute
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 03, 2009, 06:36:49 PM
I realize the PC gaming industry is aimed at a 13-year-old market, where waiting until Chrstmas or even next week for one's shiny new toys is an eternity beyond human endurance, but one might hope AH2 would be an exception.



Like most of your comments in this thread, this comment is also not true. 

Facts:
69% of US "heads of households" play computer or video (console) games
The average age of a US gamer is 33 years old
31% of US gamers are under the age of 18
44% of the US gamers are between the ages of 18 and 49 years old
25% of US gamers are 50 years or older
The average age of the most frequent computer/video game purchaser is over 40 years of age


ack-ack
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: The Fugitive on August 03, 2009, 09:33:57 PM
Ummm... wouldn't the people demanding the upgrade, ready for prime time or not, be the "I want it NOW!" kidz? To hear some of 'em talk you'd think the world would have ended if the update had taken another two weeks. IMO a little patience and a less buggy release would have been the adult way to proceed. I realize the PC gaming industry is aimed at a 13-year-old market, where waiting until Chrstmas or even next week for one's shiny new toys is an eternity beyond human endurance, but one might hope AH2 would be an exception.

As for what I want... yeah, since I'm paying NOW, I *do* want a game that runs NOW. I think that's quite reasonable. If the game doesn't work, why should people pay for it? You have a strange sense of how business arrangements should work, but you have a strange sense of a lot of things, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Well it's a good thing you don't run this business, there would NEVER be an update.

This update has been coming for ...as far as we know from "announcements" for over 7 months. January was the first hint of the new terrain engine. Just from that first picture most people should have figured out that it was going to be a major overhaul. Who knows how long HTC has really been working on it. The announcement at the convention about putting CT on hold and dedicating their resources to the main game was in October, 10 months ago. Yup, looks like they "rushed" this one out  :rolleyes:

Had they had more people testing in the open beta maybe they would have had a wider cross section of machine type as the test bed. Maybe they would have found and fixed more issues before the release, but to many didn't both to try it. They didn't have time, they did want to mess with it, they just wanted to play. Milk running a couple dozen bases in the beta arena wouldn't boost them up on the scoreboard.

This version hasn't even been "live" a week yet and people are taking about quitting..... talk about "want it now". We waited 10 months for an update, the complainers can't wait a couple weeks to iron out a few problems.

I'm a realist. I KNOW I have to upgrade my computer, so I do it a bit at a time. Some ram here, that new video card that just went on sale there, a bigger LCD. $10-15 a week put aside for "entertainment" doesn't hurt all that much. I got shut out once long ago when my computer couldn't handle a new version, never again. Also I KNOW that nothings perfect, and software isn't ever going to come close to THAT mark. I EXPECT bugs. Even a box game will give some people trouble, not every computer is the same. There is no way to expect it will run perfect every time, on every machine. Thats what "beta testing" is all about. Unfortunately, most people didn't care, or couldn't be bothered. I ran every version, and put the game through everything I could think of. I wanted to see how my computer would handle it as much as I wanted to see how well the game was. When the game went live, I was ready.

The main issue here is damming the game before they have a chance to settle it. If the market was only computers set up like mine, there isn't a single bug. However, seeing as there are thousands of different combinations out there they couldn't foresee everything. Give them some time to getting it straitened out. 
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Hajo on August 04, 2009, 10:43:57 AM
OK....I'll add my two cents.

1.)  Everyone was informed when the Beta Version was offered.  A Topic was made on the BBS with stickies telling us how to handle reporting
      any issues we may have.  If you knew a new version was going to be presented soon it would have been a great idea to d'load the new
    version and try it.  Along with that you should have posted any issues you might have had in the BBS topic on the Beta release.

2.) Those that did d'load and try the Beta in general found that they had issues.  It didn't matter if it was a high end gaming machine or an older PC.
     Most had an issue of one kind or another.

3.) Those that design the game can not correct any problems without a.) knowing what problems there are.
                                                                                               b.) having people test and report the problems.
                                                                                               c.) people listing their system and components that are having problems.
                                                                                               d.) running dxdiag and posting or sending to HTC to have a look see
                                                                                                    at where the problems may be.

4.) Patience.  A good number of us have been here since the start of Aces High and have experienced past upgrades.  We do know that any or all issues
     will be resolved.  In most cases if not all, everyone was able to continue with Aces High.


5.) This is my thought.  A great number of us continue or have continued to upgrade our PCs in the last 10+ years.
    At some point in time everyone will also have to do the same. An older PC, a laptop etc. will come to a point where
    it's abilities will hit the wall.  I could give an analogy but I think you get my meaning.  It has been my experience that
    HTC has done far more then any other Company of this nature to insure that the greater majority of players will be able
    to play Aces High with their present equipment.

I have a very high end gaming machine that is new.  I had issues.  I posted my issues and got responses.  I talked with Skuzzy
on the phone and got EMails answered also.  HTC is doing more then you could possibly imagine to help everyone.  This
issue will come to pass I assure you of that.  I also assure you that from past experience that HTC will do everything they
possibly can to correct any issues ALL may have.  They have done so in the past.  They will do so in the future.

All PCs are different in some ways.  No matter if you have a similar system to so and so what do you have on your PC that is
running in the background.  Do you have Adaware to rid your system of tracking cookies that could be bogging your system down?
Do you have software that can cleanout old registry entries and clean up your registry? Adaware is free.  You can find registry software
like registry mechanic and regcure free to clean up your registry and compress it to run smoother.  You may have software booting up
with your system such as Norton Anti-Virus that will just clobber your PCs performance.  Are you using Windows firewall?  If you have
Windows firewall running disable it...and disable windows automatic updater also.  There are many other things of that nature that you
should look at as a possible problems....even task scheduler.  HTC doesn't know what you have for software or what you boot up when
you start your PC and then try to play Aces High.  There are programs again free that can help you shut down services before playing Aces High
such as FSAutostart or Alacrity.  They are also free.  Use them.  Then try Aces High again.

Have patience!  :aok

<phew> sorry for the long post
Hajo







Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Yeager on August 04, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
get ready for a big batch of new names as the hissy fitters trickle back into the game.....
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: waystin2 on August 04, 2009, 10:58:57 AM
Patience to all, I have been tweaking and adjusting since the update came out.  I have just now gotten to a comfortable balance between eye-candy and frame rate.  I am confident that we have not seen the last fixemup patch from HTC.  It takes time folks, hang in there... :)
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Shuffler on August 04, 2009, 01:30:09 PM
still here?

Kicks Yeager in the six  :lol


Like most of your comments in this thread, this comment is also not true. 

Facts:
69% of US "heads of households" play computer or video (console) games
The average age of a US gamer is 33 years old
31% of US gamers are under the age of 18
44% of the US gamers are between the ages of 18 and 49 years old
25% of US gamers are 50 years or older
The average age of the most frequent computer/video game purchaser is over 40 years of age


ack-ack

Woot my bracket is up to 25%   :aok

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: truss51 on August 04, 2009, 06:05:32 PM
I downloaded it and tried it. FAIL. I chose to wait till they fixed it. Let the others be guinea pigs. Unfortunately it was released well before it was fixed due to folks in a hurry to see it.

I prefer to see something more than Microsoft type releases. I realize this is hard to do because of so many types of hardware/software mixes out in the real world. I still don't think you should be berating folks for posting their opinion. After all you posted yours.

Exactamundo.

Customers are always beta testers. I'm getting 60 fps and that's all I need.3rd patch fixed most stuttering. You can't see over 24 fps anyway so what's the difference?

I also cut back to 512 texture size. This helped alot.

My PC is 4 years old.
AMD X2 64+
2 gigs
Nvidia 6800XT 256M
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Masherbrum on August 04, 2009, 06:07:24 PM
Discoed 4 times today. Game running like crap when I'm not discoed, stops and starts so bad "stuttering" doesn't even begin to describe it. I've got detailed terrain off and my frame rate is around 60 most of the time, so it isn't that, and anyway this didn't happen all week, only since the latest patch. A couple of others I talked to got discoed multiple times today as well.

Work the bugs out, HTC, or revert to the old version. I'll tolerate the crappy graphics if others want to have their chrome, but I ain't paying $14.95 to stare at a black screen.  :mad:

I have literally no sympathy for YOU or ANYONE ELSE this shallow or selfish.   
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: VonMessa on August 04, 2009, 06:14:20 PM
If I buy a ticket to a movie, I want to sit back and watch a movie, not to be told what I have to do to the projector in order to make it work. If I don't get that it isn't a "whine" or "crying," it's a legitimate complaint.


It is if you do not post diagnostic info.

Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: 1Boner on August 04, 2009, 06:25:57 PM
I have literally no sympathy for YOU or ANYONE ELSE this shallow or selfish.   

There will be no shallow shellfishness here!!

(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/87/3170619779ab7f76d8c.jpg)

Say shallow selfishness 10x fast.

Go ahead, I double dog dare ya!
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Ratpack1 on August 04, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
Try Unique New York or Toy Boat 5 times fast! Do It!
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: pluck on August 04, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
Like most of your comments in this thread, this comment is also not true. 

Facts:
69% of US "heads of households" play computer or video (console) games
The average age of a US gamer is 33 years old
31% of US gamers are under the age of 18
44% of the US gamers are between the ages of 18 and 49 years old
25% of US gamers are 50 years or older
The average age of the most frequent computer/video game purchaser is over 40 years of age


ack-ack

woot! I'll be 32 before the end of august.....I'm finally almost an average gamer :rock  There's something to think about Mensa!!!! ;)
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: kilo2 on August 04, 2009, 09:00:37 PM
There will be no shallow shellfishness here!!

(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/87/3170619779ab7f76d8c.jpg)

Say shallow selfishness 10x fast.

Go ahead, I double dog dare ya!


how would you like to be shellfish constable
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Crash Orange on August 04, 2009, 10:09:46 PM
I have literally no sympathy for YOU or ANYONE ELSE this shallow or selfish.   

I'm crying over your lack of sympathy. Really. This is me, crying.  :lol
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Closer on August 04, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
Miss you already bro ! :devil
Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: 1Boner on August 04, 2009, 11:08:40 PM
how would you like to be shellfish constable

The selfish Sheriff of shellfish?




Title: Re: New patch = pile o' crap
Post by: Fulmar on August 04, 2009, 11:18:32 PM
well, bye
(http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/612capture_tombstone03.jpg)