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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: DOUG on August 03, 2009, 08:53:51 PM
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Recent thread aboot tryin to get patch to perform n ppl cant spend a ton o money right now....
A reply said , "heck I could allmost rebuild ur machine for 600bux", thats TOTAL cost of my machine :rock
I have everything maxed out including selfshadowing ON ,with smooth ...steady 59-60FPS -45 on the deck furball with ack flyin.
THIS IS NOT a killer rig, its simply the cheapest way I could find to PLAY, rather than build/rebuild,hope it helps someone stay.
HP a6600f pavillion $399(normally 499,but they'e ALLways on sale=)
E2200 dual proc ~2.2G
3G RAM DDR2 800mHz
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H.I.S. IceQ4 Turbo Radeon4850
OC'd only 50% $180(there r much cheaper4850s,this was the fastest@ time
QPower 600W PS $ 25(came /250W) :lol
IceQ takes 3DMark6 score fm 995 to 12,500! Windows Experience Index(a Vista thang) from 3.0 to 4.7! 64bit VistaPremium Installed
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Interesting thread title.
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Your graphics card is overclocked ONLY 50%? Right.. :o
And I'd really like to know where you found a 600 watt psu for $25.
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yes,deviant, it s only OC'd 50% because the cpu to wimpy to handle any more,game just crashes.
There are TONS of cheap PS on ebay, that where I got this one,they gots hundreds of em...
ur funny with ur :noid tude=) no exaggerations on #s or prices,take u 10minutes to find the stuff...elfy
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And I'd really like to know where you found a 600 watt psu for $25.
They all over the web. Ebay has em I know for sure.
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Engrish?
wrongway
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Engrish?
wrongway
I was thinking some sort of geek ebonics.
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Man, one would have to be awfully ignorant about the PC market to buy such a lousy computer as the HP a6600f pavillion. It would certainly be a dumb move to buy such an outdated PC in the summer of 2009. And that is because the computer is already outdated by today's PC standards.
First, it is an outdated dual core system, when all newer computers for some time now have come with quad core architecture. Secondly, it only has DDR2 memory, when many computers now offer the newer DDR3 instead. Thirdly, it only has 3 Gig of RAM, when the minimum standard for computers now is 4 Gig. Fourth, it has a 320 Gig hard drive, which is very small by today's standards.
So if you want an instantly outdated and less powerful computer, it would be one heck of a buy.
For just a measly $50 more, you could get something like the Gateway® SX2800-01. Here are its specs:
First, an Intel Quad Processor running at 2.33 Mhz, instead of a Duo Core
Secondly, 4 Gigs of DDR3 RAM, instead of only 3 Gigs of DDR2 RAM
Last, a 640 MB hard drive, double the capacity of the HP's 320 MB drive.
So tell me, is this HP a good buy??? No my friends, it is a real dog!! It would be a very bad move to get that computer.
Even Best Buy currently has this Gateway in stock for only $450.
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Firstly... no.
Dual-Core systems aren't outdated, granted that particular CPU is, but not all of them. Intel Duos are some of the best CPUs on the market right now.
There is nothing wrong with DDR2 Memory, granted it is slightly slower then DDR3 but it is perfectly competitive in todays gaming hardware market, and the price to performance ratio is outstanding IMO.
320GB HDD isn't all that small, but it is far more cost efficient to buy something in the region of 500GB - 750GB so... *shrug*
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Actually I run AH with an older HP dual core with 2 gigs of RAM and it runs VERY well :x
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Recent thread aboot tryin to get patch to perform n ppl cant spend a ton o money right now....
A reply said , "heck I could allmost rebuild ur machine for 600bux", thats TOTAL cost of my machine :rock
I have everything maxed out including selfshadowing ON ,with smooth ...steady 59-60FPS -45 on the deck furball with ack flyin.
THIS IS NOT a killer rig, its simply the cheapest way I could find to PLAY, rather than build/rebuild,hope it helps someone stay.
HP a6600f pavillion $399(normally 499,but they'e ALLways on sale=)
E2200 dual proc ~2.2G
3G RAM DDR2 800mHz
ADD.......................... ...................
H.I.S. IceQ4 Turbo Radeon4850
OC'd only 50% $180(there r much cheaper4850s,this was the fastest@ time
QPower 600W PS $ 25(came /250W) :lol
IceQ takes 3DMark6 score fm 995 to 12,500! Windows Experience Index(a Vista thang) from 3.0 to 4.7! 64bit VistaPremium Installed
Not upset and not taking anything personal, just want to clarify something.
I made that quote about being able to pretty much rebuild the system for $600.
What you fail to realize is a system is more then just MB/CPU/Video/Memory. There is also Harddrives, Sound cards, Case, Cooling Fans, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, DVD Rom.
So yes, my prior comment about being able to rebuild Twentyfo's system (and currently better then the one he has) for $600 is spot on.
If you look further in that post you will see that me and Flyer found him the individual parts he needed/wanted for almost half (his Dad found a deal on MB/CPU/MEM for about $600.) of what he originally was looking at paying. Granted we did not suggest a Quad Care, honestly even in today's gaming environment you do not make full use of a quad care, unless you are playing more then one game at a time, or playing very recently released games that have been able to take advantage.
At this point only about 2% of people with Quad cores actually use them. The other 98% have it because it sounds kewl and they think it makes things run faster.
So if you are playing a game that can not even make use of a dual core system.. Do not expect much improvement in a quad care system. There is nothing to improve in most cases, unless you want to do your virus scan while trying to shoot down NME planes.... The myth is Quad cores are "faster" then Dual Cores. This is not true. It is simply the ability to multi-task x2 or x4 that is the difference. While you must take into account FSB and Cashe systems on the Cpu and the Motherboard, your running the same 3ghz on one deck of the CPU be it Quad or Dual core when we are talking about playing Aces high.
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Man, one would have to be awfully ignorant about the PC market to buy such a lousy computer as the HP a6600f pavillion. It would certainly be a dumb move to buy such an outdated PC in the summer of 2009. And that is because the computer is already outdated by today's PC standards.
First, it is an outdated dual core system, when all newer computers for some time now have come with quad core architecture. Secondly, it only has DDR2 memory, when many computers now offer the newer DDR3 instead. Thirdly, it only has 3 Gig of RAM, when the minimum standard for computers now is 4 Gig. Fourth, it has a 320 Gig hard drive, which is very small by today's standards.
So if you want an instantly outdated and less powerful computer, it would be one heck of a buy.
For just a measly $50 more, you could get something like the Gateway® SX2800-01. Here are its specs:
First, an Intel Quad Processor running at 2.33 Mhz, instead of a Duo Core
Secondly, 4 Gigs of DDR3 RAM, instead of only 3 Gigs of DDR2 RAM
Last, a 640 MB hard drive, double the capacity of the HP's 320 MB drive.
So tell me, is this HP a good buy??? No my friends, it is a real dog!! It would be a very bad move to get that computer.
Even Best Buy currently has this Gateway in stock for only $450.
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It's obvious that you are fairly ignorant of the PC market.
First of all most dual core processors are better for gaming than virtually any of the quad cores. The Intel E8400 and E8500 dual cores even outperform the vaunted I7 in most gaming applications. The pre I7 quad cores are great processors if you are into a lot of professional video editing or heavy graphics work. If not the dual cores provide both better bang for the buck and are faster clock for clock. The I7 is a good buy because it's not far behind the 8400/8500 in gaming applications (in fact very nearly equal) and it's much faster everywhere else (graphics, spreadsheets, virus scans, etc.) but it's much more expensive and has hardly made the dual cores obsolete. In addition the cost of a motherboard and RAM to support it drive costs even higher.
DDR2 has actually been the memory standard until very recently. There are two DDR3 memory configurations available... dual channel and tri-channel. DDR2 and dual channel DDR3 memory need to be installed in matched pairs. Tri-channel DDR3 needs to be installed in matched trips and is only applicable to the Core I7 CPU's.
Memory is limited by a 32 bit operating system to 4 Gb of addressable memory. This amount is further limited by memory allocation to the motherboard, USB ports and other peripheral areas within the computer. Most 32 bit operating systems therefore will only recognize 3.25-3.75 Gb of maximum system memory. Your video card is also counted against this, so if you're running a 512 Mb card your maximum available system memory is 2.75-3.25 Gb. If you're running a 1 Gb video card it's 2.25-2.75 Gb which is partially why I always advise people against buying 1 Gb video cards (1 Gb cards usually also have slower memory and core GPU clocks so the 512 cards of the same flavor are generally faster). So putting 4 Gb of RAM in a 32 bit OS really doesn't gain anything. Now you might want to do so so that you're installing the RAM in matched pairs because if you don't it won't run in dual channel mode but you can get there by installing 2x 1Gb + 2x 512 Mb chips. Of course a 64 bit OS eliminates all of this but it won't be compatible with some legacy applications.
Hard drive size is simply a matter of personal preference and need. While it's true that hard drives have become larger and less expensive, most people wouldn't even use 320 Gb. I have three computers at home (single guy); a laptop, and old Dell desktop and a newer hand built gaming rig. I have over 2 Tb of drive space between them which is overkill. When I networked these I intended to digitize my music collection (which I haven't gotten around to yet). I calculated that I could fit all of my 2000+ CD's on just over 200 Gb of drive space.
Technology is currently in a transition. To buy a Qxxx quad core system would be a disappointment for most gamers. To buy a Core I7 system (which actually uses DDR3 correctly) might be cost prohibitive. Right now the dual core DDR2 system still provides the best performance/dollar and will until Core I7 prices drop.
BTW DOUG, I've looked at that H.I.S. IceQ4 Turbo Radeon 4850. It's a very fast card at a very good price. Probably the best bang for the buck in it's range. Good choice.
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yes,deviant, it s only OC'd 50% because the cpu to wimpy to handle any more,game just crashes.
There are TONS of cheap PS on ebay, that where I got this one,they gots hundreds of em...
ur funny with ur :noid tude=) no exaggerations on #s or prices,take u 10minutes to find the stuff...elfy
Your card cannot possibly be overclocked 50%, I don't care what kind of card it is. As for cheap PSU's on ebay, I was referring to new ones. I guess if you want somebody elses hand me down trash for $25 thats your business, I'll buy mine brand new.
Man, one would have to be awfully ignorant about the PC market to buy such a lousy computer as the HP a6600f pavillion. It would certainly be a dumb move to buy such an outdated PC in the summer of 2009. And that is because the computer is already outdated by today's PC standards.
First, it is an outdated dual core system, when all newer computers for some time now have come with quad core architecture. Secondly, it only has DDR2 memory, when many computers now offer the newer DDR3 instead. Thirdly, it only has 3 Gig of RAM, when the minimum standard for computers now is 4 Gig. Fourth, it has a 320 Gig hard drive, which is very small by today's standards.
So if you want an instantly outdated and less powerful computer, it would be one heck of a buy.
For just a measly $50 more, you could get something like the Gateway® SX2800-01. Here are its specs:
First, an Intel Quad Processor running at 2.33 Mhz, instead of a Duo Core
Secondly, 4 Gigs of DDR3 RAM, instead of only 3 Gigs of DDR2 RAM
Last, a 640 MB hard drive, double the capacity of the HP's 320 MB drive.
So tell me, is this HP a good buy??? No my friends, it is a real dog!! It would be a very bad move to get that computer.
Even Best Buy currently has this Gateway in stock for only $450.
I think anyone who buys a Gateway, Dell, HP ect. is pretty ignorant of PC's in general. For the same price you could build your own and get a significantly better PC in the end.
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Your card cannot possibly be overclocked 50%, I don't care what kind of card it is. As for cheap PSU's on ebay, I was referring to new ones. I guess if you want somebody elses hand me down trash for $25 thats your business, I'll buy mine brand new.
I think anyone who buys a Gateway, Dell, HP ect. is pretty ignorant of PC's in general. For the same price you could build your own and get a significantly better PC in the end.
Actually you are right and wrong dec1ant.
If you look at the stardard Video card on the Mid to High end. When they come from the factory that are in fact not automatically running at their designated 100%. They are actually running more along the likes of 70%. Much like with cars, the manufacture throttles the cards back. This is done for 2 reasons.
First, No 2 cards will perform exactly alike, much like how no 2 limbs on your body are exactly the same size. Throttling the cards back serves to set a standard of card performance for a series.
Secondly, like cars, cards are throttled back simply for longevity, energy consumption, and ease of application.
So to the unsuspecting eye, a card that lets say for easy of math, is actually rated for 100mhz clock speed, is actually shipped with the default setting of 70mhz. You can effectively overclock the card to 105-115mhz. This would appear to be a 50% overclock from the default 70mhz. But in actuality much of that % is still within the cards "acceptable limits". Overclock is generally defined as clocking a machine PAST its standard limits.
Now, you may very well be able to clock a card over 50% of is designated Top end, but this will require special software that does not come with the card, a liquid cooling device for the card and some serious money.
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The H.I.S. IceQ4 Turbo cards are factory overclocked and by a pretty significant amount.
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The H.I.S. IceQ4 Turbo cards are factory overclocked and by a pretty significant amount.
Yes they are, and it is why the heatsink and Fan are so complicated compared to most other Video cards. This also has a great deal to do with the components they use in the card which are much more resistant to heat then other cards. This is a great card for anyone with the spare change to buy it. One of the best bangs for you buck in most area's where video cards are concerned.
The only problem I have seen with them is when people use them without enough airflow through their PC. I have seen people revert back to the idea of a negative case pressure, which with machines now day is not required, fans are now strong enough to move enough air mass to clean sweep the PC in terms of heat exchanging.
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I would like to clarify about the DDR3 mentioned (both dual and tri) here a few times. Most people that purchase memory do so on a recommendation or review of others. What most fail to actually know is that any memory over 1333MHz is Overclocked. If you were to purchase DDR3 2000MHz and place it on a lower end MB chances are you will never see the memory's full performance. This is a BIOS tweak and from what I have learned here on these boards we have some folks that are great NewEgg shoppers but not so good at putting components together that will make a system fast.
I see tons of this is a good deal on and this has a rebate, it should be, will this recommendation work well with the other components of their/my system. There is a whole lot more to specking, building and have the best bang for your buc then naming parts off of a sale sheet or this is my budget I will get this. All components need to work together and compliment each other to have a truly effective and performance minded system.
Since the release of the new, and in my opinion highly improved AH, I have messing with components that will build a very fast, stable, run AH full bore system. I am close but no cigar yet. In today's economy when making recommendations to others for systems or components, ask yourself first... do I know for sure that this will do as I state for __________ systems, if not I will buy the component to get ___________ his/her monies back. Some folks have max FRs of 35 and they are happy with that, some are used to 60FR so recommending something that will only give them a FR of 55 does not cut it. Think and be sure before making statements.
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It's obvious that you are fairly ignorant of the PC market.
Anyone who buys a system that is so far behind today's standards just to save a mere $50 is making an extremely foolish purchasing decision in the long term.
Is everyone here just a kid that uses his system for playing games? Many folks use their computers for many other applications also.
Of course a 64 bit OS eliminates all of this but it won't be compatible with some legacy applications.
It is you who is the one who is ignoring the most obvious fact that both the initially recommended HP and also the Gateway that I mentioned BOTH ship with 64 bit Vista installed. Your claim that the extra 1 Gig of RAM that the Gateway has is irrelevant is thus completely bogus and is factually incorrect.
Hard drive size is simply a matter of personal preference and need. While it's true that hard drives have become larger and less expensive, most people wouldn't even use 320 Gb. I have three computers at home (single guy); a laptop, and old Dell desktop and a newer hand built gaming rig. I have over 2 Tb of drive space between them which is overkill. When I networked these I intended to digitize my music collection (which I haven't gotten around to yet). I calculated that I could fit all of my 2000+ CD's on just over 200 Gb of drive space.
Again, you seem to be assuming that everyone here is a teenager who just uses his computer to just play games or listen to pirated music. Any adult who is into photography could easily use that space. If you are into videography, then even that amount is going to be very inadequate.
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Anyone who buys a system that is so far behind today's standards just to save a mere $50 is making an extremely foolish purchasing decision in the long term.
Is everyone here just a kid that uses his system for playing games? Many folks use their computers for many other applications also.
It is you who is the one who is ignoring the most obvious fact that both the initially recommended HP and also the Gateway that I mentioned BOTH ship with 64 bit Vista installed. Your claim that the extra 1 Gig of RAM that the Gateway has is irrelevant is thus completely bogus and is factually incorrect.
Again, you seem to be assuming that everyone here is a teenager who just uses his computer to just play games or listen to pirated music. Any adult who is into photography could easily use that space. If you are into videography, then even that amount is going to be very inadequate.
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I'm not arguing that your Gateway computer might be a better choice than the HP mentioned. In fact I never spec'd out or priced either system.
I was arguing your highlights that quad cores, DDR3 and 4 Gb of memory with massive drives are now the standards.
In your reply you did nothing to rebuff these arguments. You simply took offense at being called ignorant and wrote a straw-man rebuff. How does being called ignorent feel? Probably the same to you as the person that you levied that insult on huh?
Now, come back with some real evidence that you were right on your key points and I might listen to you in the future but I already know for a fact you're just blowing smoke trying to look like you know what your talking about in an effort to degrade another person and feel superior yourself.
BTW, I've hung around this forum long enough that I know that yes, 80% of those inquiring about systems are only concerned with running this game effectively.
I can't wait for you to bless us again with your supeior technical knowledge.
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BTW; Buy that quad core DDR3 4 Gb Gateway and benchmark it. I'll bench my dual core DDR2 system and we'll see who's faster ok?
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You're both way off! The cardinal mistake is to buy a branded box in the first place. :t
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Thats true in my world too Ripley. Except in laptops the little things are hard to improve on... for me.
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Thats true in my world too Ripley. Except in laptops the little things are hard to improve on... for me.
There are no brand diy laptop barebones available. But they're sold so little that they're not necessarily at all cheaper than getting a branded one.
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You're both way off! The cardinal mistake is to buy a branded box in the first place. :t
Where in my arguments have I advocated buying an off the shelf box? Quotes please.