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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Raga on August 05, 2009, 01:22:37 AM
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unfortunately i missed the clinic on the 38. believe me if i wasn't on the road i would have not missed it for the world! please if anybody was there and recorded the video can you post it. i am so interested in this bat, and in gaining insight from some of the best sticks to fly it. thats pretty much my number 1 hope in aces high at this point.
p.s. if ur a 38 master and happen to read this post and want to show me a thing or 2, don't be shy :aok
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Did someone get the film to you?
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I havn't seen it posted anywhere, was it?
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To the best of my knowledge a film of the session hasn't come to light yet. I had filmed it but like an idiot I hit "cancel" instead of "save" at the end of the flight and lost it.
I think I remember the most of the topics that were covered and I'd be willing to take some time and go over it with anyone just PM me in game and we can pop over to the TA.
IIRC the topics were
Fuel
Convergence
Dual Throttle (ie does it really help?)
Trim: Combat vs manual
Skidding and cross controlling
Dive recovery
Snap Rolls
That's all I can think of, but I may be missing something, I'd be happy to go over any of these with anyone in the TA.
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I haven't seen it posted yet. I recorded the whole thing only to routinely hit cancel rather than save.
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Delirium said he will post the text of the session. Most of it was text anyway. I filmed but I discoed halfway through the good part, so no film.
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To the best of my knowledge a film of the session hasn't come to light yet. I had filmed it but like an idiot I hit "cancel" instead of "save" at the end of the flight and lost it.
I think I remember the most of the topics that were covered and I'd be willing to take some time and go over it with anyone just PM me in game and we can pop over to the TA.
IIRC the topics were
Fuel
Convergence
Dual Throttle (ie does it really help?)
Trim: Combat vs manual
Skidding and cross controlling
Dive recovery
Snap Rolls
That's all I can think of, but I may be missing something, I'd be happy to go over any of these with anyone in the TA.
Just curious about skidding&cross controlling. If you've got some time tomorrow...
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There's a decent chance I'll be online tomorrow, I tend to grab game time when the opportunity presents itself and rarely can say for certain ahead of time. But if I do make it on I'd be happy to.
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I haven't seen it posted yet. I recorded the whole thing only to routinely hit cancel rather than save.
ok......that's it!!!!!!
public lashing with a wet linguini noodle for BOTH of you!!!!
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wow i cant believe people finally responded to my topic, no i still havent learned about thos topics in the 38
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What exactly is cross-controlling?
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What exactly is cross-controlling?
cross controlling is how you enter un-coordinated flight. it's like doing a forward slip.
imagine you're on final aproach to the runway......but there's a 10kt wind directly from your right. if you fly with your nose pointed the way you're flying, the wind'll blow you off to the left. so to counter this, you dip your right wing into the wind. but now, your airplane wants to point the nose that way, so you use left rudder. now, you're flying with your nose straight, but your right wing dipped into the wind, thus countering its effects.
you could also do the same thing to bleed speed and alt very very quickly on ........you're 2k alt, need to get on the ground fast.........full right rudder, then just enough opposite aielron to counter, and keep you going where you want to go. but this time, your nose will probably be pointed about 10 degrees to the right of your flight path.
i think i've seen guys do that to get shots too......and to force an attacker to overshoot, as when you do this, the whole side of your aircraft becomes an airbrake.
i think i got that out of my head right.
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Is there any chance of having more clinics? I had to work the saturday Del had the class.
I have tons of questions about the 38, trimming it out in a knife fight is my biggest one. And after 3 or 4 years mainly flying the 51, I've got into the bad habit of going everywhere high and fast. I've gotten to the point in my game where there's things i want to do, that a pony just can't.
The thing with me and B38s is the more I think I know about them the more I make big holes in the ground (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Pulling_hair.gif)
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Ah yes, CAP, I see. Sounds like a broad term for difficult maneuvers haha.
I'm still learning how to do those maneuvers properly myself; I've used much rudder to grab off-angle shots myself, but I'm still very crap at using sideslips as a defensive maneuver. I usually just get shot down using sideslipping maneuvers.
To give you an idea of how noob I am:
In fact, it was just recently that I figured out the P-38's ailerons are still highly effective at high, buffet-inducing AoA. This realization has allowed me to turn tighter without having gravity spin me into the ground, but it takes some mastering. I used to use rudder to counter the gravity-induced spin while turning at an angle but that just spun me in the other direction.
Always learning in the P-38.
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Ah yes, CAP, I see. Sounds like a broad term for difficult maneuvers haha.
I'm still learning how to do those maneuvers properly myself; I've used much rudder to grab off-angle shots myself, but I'm still very crap at using sideslips as a defensive maneuver. I usually just get shot down using sideslipping maneuvers.
To give you an idea of how noob I am:
In fact, it was just recently that I figured out the P-38's ailerons are still highly effective at high, buffet-inducing AoA. This realization has allowed me to turn tighter without having gravity spin me into the ground, but it takes some mastering. I used to use rudder to counter the gravity-induced spin while turning at an angle but that just spun me in the other direction.
Always learning in the P-38.
yep.
i mostly use the slips and cross controlling for getting rid of alt fast. i still suck at using them for anything else.
in rl, one of the hardest things for me to learn, was cross controlling her when landing in crosswinds.
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I didn't record the session, the only thing I have is my notes from the event. I will release the notes when I get the rest of the information together for the second clinic so it will be altogether and written in a proper format.
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yep.
i mostly use the slips and cross controlling for getting rid of alt fast. i still suck at using them for anything else.
in rl, one of the hardest things for me to learn, was cross controlling her when landing in crosswinds.
Do you think the P-38's handling qualities and turning reflects that of a real P-38? Although I don't think you'd be trying those alt-eating, buffet-inducing maneuvers in a real P-38 :P
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Do you think the P-38's handling qualities and turning reflects that of a real P-38? Although I don't think you'd be trying those alt-eating, buffet-inducing maneuvers in a real P-38 :P
i'm not sure. i've seen shows that've talked of a pilot that got jumped by 4 or 5 me109's, and he pretty much out turned them, and was able to get outta dodge.
then there was that dogfights episode on the p38......but dogfights is about as good as the brady bunch movie.......
i don't concern myself with how they handled compared to the real ones.....i'm happy that htc takes all of their time and efforts to do what they do, but i mainly concern myself with what they aircraft do in here. what can i do better inmy p38 than you can in your spit9? or your me109? that's what i worry about.
of course, the other thing that's massive fun, if you like to experiment, i can prove to you that aluminum is magnetic.
fly in your 38 to the nearest furball. drop in, and start turning with them. every red guy in that furball will come after your 38. :noid :rofl :D
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Do you think the P-38's handling qualities and turning reflects that of a real P-38? Although I don't think you'd be trying those alt-eating, buffet-inducing maneuvers in a real P-38 :P
Tough to compare things like that to how they were handled historically, even a two week noob often puts more hours into a particular airframe than many of the historical pilots before they were flying their first combat missions, plus the price of failure is cheap here. In general I'd say that most AH pilots push their airframes harder and preform more hazardous manuvers than were attempted historically.
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I auger my cartoon p38 on the regular.. I wouldnt want to see what would happen in the real thing. Bring a chute.
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I auger my cartoon p38 on the regular.. I wouldnt want to see what would happen in the real thing. Bring a chute.
what generally gets me, is the guy that says "i could've done that"......yet he;s never even felt 2 g's....
i love flying in a 172,.,...and when i can, my buddies super decathalon........but i don't for a second think i could ever fly one of these in rl.......and would never detract from the heros that did, by trying to say i can.
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