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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nemisis on August 12, 2009, 01:08:20 PM
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I took it out for a spin a bit ago. I was just crusing in offline looking for some planes that I haven't flowen but are still capable. I took the C. 205 out and flew it and I loved it. I also haven't found any convergance issues with the guns even when set out to max. .50's in the nose, and cannons close to the fuselage. It seems like a capable fighter. Can anyone tell me some trouble spots before I take it out into the main arena?
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Easy to loose a target under the nose.... Many times you are shooting at a target you can't even see...
1 notch of flaps, and the plane will almost "float" in the air, at very little airspeed...
Very bouncy on landing, and very bad visibility when taxiing... Longnose'itis again..
It compresses something aweful, trying to pull out, will snap elevator cables... Auger city!!!
Guns are Kickass, converged at 400yds, they give a great killshot...
Pretty good views from the cockpit...
I'm no expert fighter guy...
Love it tho, fly it all the time....
RC
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The cannons are not, in fact, close to the fuselage. They are outboard of the landing gear and well clear of the prop. You may have been thinking of the Fw190, which fires through the prop with its 20mm guns.
I'd suggest never ever using flaps, ever... Not even coming out of a loop. They are inefficient split flaps and this plane does not stall well. You pop flaps you better have no other move, because unless you get the kill instantly after doing so you've signed your death warrant.
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I'd suggest never ever using flaps, ever... Not even coming out of a loop. They are inefficient split flaps and this plane does not stall well. You pop flaps you better have no other move, because unless you get the kill instantly after doing so you've signed your death warrant.
Accurate description and good advice.....
My regards,
Widewing
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I'd suggest never ever using flaps, ever... Not even coming out of a loop. They are inefficient split flaps and this plane does not stall well. You pop flaps you better have no other move, because unless you get the kill instantly after doing so you've signed your death warrant.
Accurate description and good advice.....
My regards,
Widewing
Yep, as soon as I see a C.205 that I'm engaged with deploy their flaps, I know that within the next turn or so he's going to be on the receiving end of a very nasty burst of 20mm and .50 cals.
ack-ack
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Funny but I just flew the 202 yesterday and the 205 today for the first time in a while.
As others have already said do not use flaps. If you get ham fisted and pull past the early stall buzzer you'll wobble or spin. The 205 needs a smooth stick. That said it turns pretty well in the early stall buzzer and has good acceleration and climb rate is in the upper tier with WEP on. Rolling isn't the best but rudder assist will help. It does stiffen the elevators at speed but if you plan your dive angle properly theres no need to let off the throttle or to use elevator trim. The gun package is awsome set at 400. At 650 not so much. Finally, stay out of enemy gunfire. If you lose half a wing it's nearly impossible to get it home.
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There ya go Nemesis.. Some good advice from ppl who have been around this cartoon airplane stuff for a long time...
:salute RC
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The cannons are not, in fact, close to the fuselage. They are outboard of the landing gear and well clear of the prop. You may have been thinking of the Fw190, which fires through the prop with its 20mm guns.
Well not CLOSE close, but better then about half the planes I've seen. I tested the convergance setting and I found it CAN be set out to 650, but it is harder to land hits at closer ranges, but is better set at 400 as you said. I currently have it set at 450, but that's just personal preferance.
And thanks guys. No flaps; flaps=dead, will wobble or spin if pulled out past early stall buzzer, smooth stick, turns fairly well in early stall buzzer, climb rate good, roll not the best, stay away from infront of unfriendly people.
One more question: Would this be a decent bomber interceptor, at med to low alt? Or is this more of a dogfighter?
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I've always thought it to be a capable interceptor due to a large amount of 20 mm rounds, strong climb rate, and decent top speed. Just don't be afraid to start firing when the buffs (which you should probably be attacking from above and off angle :) ) are still under that big old nose.
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OK, so I see it can out turn an La 7, does that mean it is a decent dogfighter? Or does that mean if can out trun an La 7, and that that means nothing?
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Well, the guns are probably wider than spitfire cannons, zero cannons, hurricane cannons. Not quite as far out as P47 guns, but about average with most 50cal armed planes. Oh, and the La7 will out turn it almost every day of the week.
It's not a great turn fighter. It's "okay" but where it really shows potential is the overall good qualities combined (so make a high turn and come back down to conserve E, or vertical yoyos, or high speed turns that bleed E, and using horsepower to regain the E, etc).
As for intercepting bombers, it can, but it's hit or miss. Not literally, but sometimes I've unloaded my entire ammo load into a box of B-24s with nothing to show for it, and sometimes I get lucky and land 10 bomber kills in one. Overall it's vulnerable to the super-WEP way bombers work in AH, and it can be shot to pieces easily by tail gunners. Seems that the 20mm are weaker than the 190's guns, but it may just be a false perception.
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I took it out in the offline to test it's guns, and it seemed quite capable. I smoked a P-38 in something like 2.5 secs, not all firing time, I killed a bomber in something like 7 secs, and a 190 in 2. I am a terrible shot with the C. 205 as I expended an average of 30 cannon rounds per fighter. I'm sure this will drop as I get used to the fighter. It seemed like the 190's cannons are at about par with C. 205.
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-medium and high speed turns are very good.
-will turn with an LA in this category.
-Low speed is crap (loose E and your meat)
-Climb is better than good and improves with Alt
-Buff hunting is great if you plan on strafing runs (Always recommended vs sitting @ 600 on 6 Oclk)
-Great range and time on target
-High cannon count if you can make them count
-you will soon get used to the fact that you have to use your jedi powers to see through the nose
-if you can start turning inside your opponent while in the dive you will keep eyes on the target for longer
As mentioned before it should be flown like any high E fighter.
-never dive in below your closet targets without imediatley climing out for another high speed pass.
-If you get into trouble climb at max angle (keep 200 MPH) Should maintain 4000+ FPM and save your tail.
-vne 400 MPH before trying to climb out of a dive (broken parts and a hole in the ground)
-WEP recovery is very fast as compared to most planes
-400 Convergence is best for cannon and max 650 for nose guns
-use nose guns for target accusition and cannon for wing popping
stick to these rules and you will land way more often. This plane, I fly more than anything else and it gets me home. 3 to 4 kills dead or alive usually
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Seems that the 20mm are weaker than the 190's guns, but it may just be a false perception.
Probably because the 190's are closer in, and because the 190 has more effective .50 caliber guns (the SAFAT's suck...).
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Probably because the 190's are closer in, and because the 190 has more effective .50 caliber guns (the SAFAT's suck...).
Pretty much. I still use them though. The cannons ARE at par. Thanks guys. I found everything I needed unless you all have more to add.
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Pretty much. I still use them though. The cannons ARE at par. Thanks guys. I found everything I needed unless you all have more to add.
Of course they're at par, they're the exact same gun.
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Someone said that the C. 205's cannons were weaker, and so...
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Took a 205 up last night and came back with 3 scalps. The cannons werk gud.
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I know, I slaughterd a P-38 in something like 3 secs, an fw 190 in 2 and a bomber in something like 10 (I know they are not the origional numbers I posted, but this is probably more accurate).
I think the cannons work great two.
Any more last minute advice? I just got my new machine today. Like an hour ago. Once the batteries charge, and I get wifi, and all the rest set up it's off to the main arenas for me.
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Any more last minute advice?
Don't use wifi, plug in... wireless connections can cause really bad warping.
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I'm not going to use wifi for the game, I am going to use wifi when I can't plug it in. I just need to get is set up to use the internet and wifi comes before pluged in set up.
BTW what is warping? I have used wifi before and I have never had any problems. But that was with a different computer, in a different area, with the best wifi card and router I could get. This is the same but in a different area so maybe it will happen here.
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C205 compresses? hmmm it is one of the best divers there is.
Not recommeneded to turn fight in this machine that is for sure & I normally do not have any issues when using flaps.
It is more than a match for 51's , 38's , 190's ( F's require some work ) & F6. As always it's the pilot not the plane but many a good fight can be had when in a C205 as it seems to attract lots of attention from those who think it is an easy kill.
As for the cannons they may have slightly improved as , to me , they do not seem as weak as they were.
I have them set at 200 & rarely fire at 400 or more unless screaming down onto a formation of buffs & slicing the tail sections off lancs. But that is just how I do it. Rather fire close with more certainty of getting vital hits.
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C205 compresses? hmmm it is one of the best divers there is.
It does. However you may not notice it because the onset is quite sudden and only at very high speeds. So you can go 450mph no sweat, and be locked up by 460 (or whatever the actual speeds are).
As always it's the pilot not the plane
Put Mario Andretti in a Ugo and he's still not going to win any races. Pilot skill definitely helps, but a decent ride only amplifies a pilot's pre-existing skill. The C2 won't boost your talent any, but it's a great ride to score kills in, I'll give 'er that!
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I always enjoy flying it. One thing that does stand out about it is the fact that is uses a Daimler-Benz DB605 engine. Which means it's a 109 on steroids. Climb rate is excellent, so you really wanna work the vertical in it. Take it up to 15k with a 300ft alt advantage and you can hang in a fight all day long. I remember one particular scrap with the 357th where we had been having problems with spies (or at least channel bleeding) for a few hours. We upped around 20 or 25 205's and 202's, and headed to 15k. Sure enough, we met a mix of uuber rides (stangs, 109Ks, spitxteens, La's, ect) just about the height we had said we were going (we had really gone around 1.5k higher) and stomped on them. All we had to do was set up a wide, rough luffberry right on their heads, pick a card, and dive on it. Bang bang bang, climb back up, rinse, repeat. It performs great at mid alt, and still holds it's own very nicely on the deck. There was a period of time where I had decided it was the only fighter I was gonna fly. It was great fun.
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It is more than a match for 51's , 38's , 190's ( F's require some work )
The Fw 190F is the worst model of the Fw 190 for air to air combat...
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. One thing that does stand out about it is the fact that is uses a Daimler-Benz DB605 engine. Which means it's a 109 on steroids. Climb rate is excellent, so you really wanna work the vertical in it.
Uhm.. 109 on steroids because of the DB 605? From G onwards the 109 has a DB605...
And compare the C.205 to the ole 109G-2
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3481/steroidshtq.jpg)
Doesn't look exactly like a 109 on steroids to me...
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At low levels, the C205 has speed/climb performance similar to that you'd expect from the Bf 109F-4, and maneuverability similar to that of the G-6. It does, however, have two MG151/20's.
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HELLO!!! (wig waggy flags) WHAT IS WARPING?!?!?!
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HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED STAR TREK?
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Only once or twice. Not the movie, haven't seen that yet. I wasn't part of that. But do you mean where it streches out? Like the front half moves faster than the back half for a couple of secs?
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HELLO!!! (wig waggy flags) WHAT IS WARPING?!?!?!
It is used to describe the phenomenon where the location information is held up on either the sending or recieving side, and the plane appears to fly in one direction for a time, then "warps" to a different location. Very frustrating when you are trying to kill someone.
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Ahhh. I have recived enlightment!!!
Well anyway, it turns out I do know what you are talking about. Very annoying. I hate it when I am flying my B-25H and I crash into the ground.
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I think about everything said in here about the c205 is true to some extent. I love flying this plane. Been flying it steady for about a week now and am impressed. If flown smart and within its best envelope I think its hard to beat.
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Any good tricks this bird can pull? And way you can pull on over on that La-7 following you?
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Any good tricks this bird can pull? And way you can pull on over on that La-7 following you?
The 205 is not a bird you can pull gaming tricks in: no combat flaps, non bat turns. Its high wing load makes it a little difficult to master, but very challenging.
Actually, its not a popular bird when you look at it from the other side of the gunsight: 205 drivers do well using the old and good way: stay fast between 10 and 15K, fight in the vertical, use its impressive roll rate at high speeds and its firepower. This is quite unnervingg for the Spitfire IX, NIKI, La5 .... drivers, used to furball at 3K.
And the La7 is a 205 killer. At least below 10K. Drag him high and stay as fast as you can.
Its a damned good mid war fighter.
With a DB605AM it could have been a good 1944 fighter as well.
Pyro and Hitech, please, find some time to redo the graphics of the bird. It deserves it.
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Good to see the one AH player that loves the Macchi more than me is still around!
:salute
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Oh, there is more than one Krusty.. Count me in there too... When I fly a fighter, it's always the 205...
(Except when flying from a CV of course) There are several others that I see flying it as well...
Mostly I like it because it is DIFFERENT from what most others players fly... Aero Diversity, ya know ;)
Hate being one of a crowd!!! Had my fill of that "uniformity thing" in a previous life!!!
RC
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Best polka-dot fighter in the game! :D
I consider it a 109G with a better gun package. If you don't like the 109's because of the guns, give the 205 a try. I will fly the 109G-2 and G-6 before the 205, but it is a pretty close decision.
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It's not a 109 with better guns IMHO
Close perhaps but it flys different.
The 205 used to be a tad faster then a 109g2 OTD?
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Good to see the one AH player that loves the Macchi more than me is still around!
:salute
I love this plane now. I used to be a P-51D driver or a P-47N driver, but this is better than both of those planes, for fighting anyway.
And if there are that few 205 drivers, then I might be mistaken for an ace and people will leave me alone untill I kill them.
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(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1085/205109g2190a5.jpg)
Everyone saying "it's a 109 with better guns" should take a look at the sustained turn radius.
IMHO the 205 is much closer to the 190A-5
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It's not a 109 with better guns IMHO
Close perhaps but it flys different.
The 205 used to be a tad faster then a 109g2 OTD?
Come on, I didn't mean it is EXACTLY like a 109 with better guns. It has plenty of differences if you look at it in detail, but you can jump in it and fly it with many of the same tactics and strategies a 109 uses, and you will have success. Eventually you will want to develop your own 205 tactics, but as a starting point, your not far off with a 109 as a comparison.
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So it is similar to the 109 g2. Is there any tactics for beating a more manuverable plane. About all I know is to take the fight vertical.
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So it is similar to the 109 g2.
You didn't look at the picture I posted?
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If anything I would call it more similar to a G6 than a G2...but I agree with the snail man that the 190 A5 is the closest comparison.
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If anything I would call it more similar to a G6 than a G2...but I agree with the snail man that the 190 A5 is the closest comparison.
At MOST alts it looks like.
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When folks have asked in the past "what's it like?" I usually describe it in a way I feel is brief but accurate: It's a cross between a 109 and a 190.
I don't like comparing it to a 190A, other than saying it has the same guns as the 2-cannon-armed A8 model. It doesn't handle the super-high-speed dives as well as a 190 does, and will out-turn any 190 (from my experience), whereas a 109 will out-turn it if no gondies are carried.
Whatever performance aspect it bests on the 190A, the 109 will best on the 205. It's (IMO) halfway between the two.
Handling is tons better than a 190, but not so light as a 109.
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Real light 205 (I mean 2x12,7mm and 2x7mm) had climbing performances similar to the G-2, being almost the same weight. I consider it correctly modelled in AH2. Heavy 205s are close to the G-6.
I find the 205 faster than G-2s and G-6s at medium altitude and with better acceleration (nose down a litlle and you'll find it very fast).
The 205 has a better roll rate than most 1942-43 fighters at high speeds. And the 205 must be flown FAST. You can use its instantaneus turn ability but for a very short time. If I have to turn more than 90°-135° in a 205 I climb and/or extend. In the MA and in any multi-bogey situation the sustained turning ability, IMHO, is not important. It makes you a sitting duck for anyone.
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Real light 205 (I mean 2x12,7mm and 2x7mm) had climbing performances similar to the G-2, being almost the same weight. I consider it correctly modelled in AH2. Heavy 205s are close to the G-6.
I find the 205 faster than G-2s and G-6s at medium altitude and with better acceleration (nose down a litlle and you'll find it very fast).
The 205 has a better roll rate than most 1942-43 fighters at high speeds. And the 205 must be flown FAST. You can use its instantaneus turn ability but for a very short time. If I have to turn more than 90°-135° in a 205 I climb and/or extend. In the MA and in any multi-bogey situation the sustained turning ability, IMHO, is not important. It makes you a sitting duck for anyone.
I agree, I logged on and turn fought some planes and I ended up getting blown out of the sky. Of course I did that in most planes as I was WAY out of practice. I got some pings, but that was about it. I couldn't hold anyone long enought to land a kill.