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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: badhorse on August 14, 2009, 12:19:22 PM
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I would like to see another anti-air vehicle available in the early war arena. The M16 is just too thin-skinned to be the only choice. A bomb dropped in the same zip code will kill it and a few hits with guns will take the turret out.
I realize that a Wirble is not the answer for the early arena; perhaps you history buffs can suggest something.
thanks
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I can't think of anything right off the top of my head. Let me check around. One alternative it you're not concerned about mobility would be AA guns that would be attached to a Brigade or probably a Regiment, and MABY a Battalion. Have it take like 2 Min's to deploy a gun.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/FlakPzIV-Moebelwagen.jpg
Huge picture but oh well....
37mm Moebelwagen
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/FlakPzIV-Moebelwagen.jpg)
Huge picture but oh well....
37mm Moebelwagen
The Möbelwagen ain't early war... entered service in 1944
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British Crusader Mk III
(http://www.peachmountain.com/Narayan/images/2005_Saumur/Crusader_III_AA.jpg)
Entered service in 1941 according to some sources?
Twin 20mm...
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Entered service in 1941 according to some sources?
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The crusader tank did, but not the AA versions.
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Curse you and your infinite knowledge!
:D
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Curse you and your infinite knowledge!
:D
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Oh that's about all knowledge I got on that matter. One step or question further and I would had to use google frantically :D
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Oh that's about all knowledge I got on that matter. One step or question further and I would had to use google frantically :D
You do have the wise, all knowing reputation to up hold.
:lol
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You do have the wise, all knowing reputation to up hold.
:lol
I'm not Widewing or Gupyy35 :)
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Yeah Strip... I saw this thread and looked at all of those too. Looks like for early war, the M16 is about the best there is. I did find this though:
Cannone da 90/53 (Italy 1941 - 1943)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/3RO-NMil564-90-53Mod39-41.jpg)
Caliber 90 mm (3.54 inch)
Barrel Length 4.736 m (15 ft, 6.5 in)
Travelling Weight 8950 kg (19,731 lbs)
Weight in Action 6240 kg (13,757 lbs)
Elevation -2 to +85 degrees
Traverse 360 degrees
Muzzle velocity 830 m/sec (2,723 ft/sec)
Maximum Ceiling 12,000 m (39, 370 ft)
Shell weight 10.33 kg (22.77 lbs)
But... according to all the sources I found, MOST of these guns were made to be either fixed, or towed. Only 57 are known to have actually been placed on trucks. Yes... I had to Google my hiney off to find it. Found it on Wikipedia first, ignored that, but 2 other sources backed it up. Here was the best one:
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Cannone9053.html
So with only 57 on trucks, it wont fit into the criteria to be used here as a self propelled AA gun. Not to mention, it has lees protection around it that the M16 does.
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What about?
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/votw/sdkfz6_2.jpg)
Sd. Kfz. 6 with 37mm flak gun...based on a 5-ton chassis.
In production from 1941 to 1943 according to a few sources...
OR
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/votw/sdkfz7_2.jpg)
3.7cm flak mounted on a Sd.Kfz.7...based on a 8-ton chassis.
Production is sketchy but appears to fit early war critera...
Both would be easily turreted, like most of the flaks, but the heavier chassis should take more punishment.
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Definitely not early war......
(http://www.johnsmilitaryhistory.com/armort249.jpg)
T-249 Vigilante SP AA Vehicle......37mm Gatling!
:eek:
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If the M-16 is too "thin skinned" then an alternative AAA vehicle with no armor is no improvement for the OP.
wrongway
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If the M-16 is too "thin skinned" then an alternative AAA vehicle with no armor is no improvement for the OP.
wrongway
Yeah... nothing I found had the armor the M16 does... not for EW anyway.
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The M15 could be added. No better armored, but with a 37mm AA gun +2 .50cals vs. the quad 50s on the M-16, it would at least bring a longer range to the table. Hit the planes before they can hit you, and you don't have to worry about your lack of armor.
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thanks for the suggestions. I hope HTC agrees and chooses one to incorporate.
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At any rate, it's nice to see different ideas circulating around about early & mid-war aircraft and vehicles. That whole set needs to be expanded.
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I would like to see another anti-air vehicle available in the early war arena. The M16 is just too thin-skinned to be the only choice. A bomb dropped in the same zip code will kill it and a few hits with guns will take the turret out.
I realize that a Wirble is not the answer for the early arena; perhaps you history buffs can suggest something.
thanks
What are you smokin'? I've been in the Late War, surviving IL-2s, Chitfires, and N1Ks in that M16, and have not suffered a single missing turret.
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And one bomb within your zip code and its all over....
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And one bomb within your zip code and its all over....
That's why you take out ordinance. :rolleyes: